🤔 Linear drains for tile showers explained👍
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Linear drains for tile showers explained. Linear drains, also known as line drains, or trench drains, are becoming more and more popular, because they open up possibilities for tile that are not available with a regular point drain. With linear drain, the shower floor will be flat, but inclined or pitched to the drain. This means that large format tiles can be used on the shower floor, small mosaics are still an option, but not a necessity. It is important to choose a suitable tile that will not become slippery in a wet environment like a shower, if large tile sizes will be installed on the shower floor. In this video I explain what a Schluter Kerdi-Line drain is and show the general steps needed to install one. Many of these steps are relevant to other types of drains.
All tile installed by Sal DiBlasi, Elite-tile Company, in the Boston North Shore area. This video contains affiliate links, which means I will receive a small commission if you click on the product link.
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Sal, you make it look so easy! Your attention to detail is incredible.
Very informative video. Many thanks for posting. If you ever encounter a project where a linear drain is installed into an existing concrete tiled floor, do consider showing how you would go about the cutting the concrete to make the linear drain fit snuggly.
Sir I am a new big fan of yours. I love your patience, technique and attitude.
You make great videos, Sal.
Top of the line work wish you where in my neighborhood
gotta love a fellow mud-man. Bit of the old & a bit of the new. Nice (but simple, which is key in consistent,,,) work there Sal
I was real curious about the Kerdi line drain, you answered a lot of my questions. Great video Sal.
OUTSTANDING!
Thank you Brother!!!
have a job in which the clients want a linear drain with sheet tile. its a concrete recessed shower and the hole to trap is all done already, this makes the linear drain placement not against the wall, but away from it about 12 inches and it doesnt go end to end . the width of shower is like 40 inches and the lenght of drain is 24 inches, so not only is it away from the parallel wall that 12 inches, its also away from side walls like 1 inches on both ends. the tile is a 2x3 or 2x4 inch picket like shape on a mesh. i know i can do a one plane pitch from both ends but not sure on how the little sides will drain. these little sides will be like 10 inches by the width of the drain. i am obviously doing a dry pack and it seems i may have to do some funky pitch thing at the ends which isnt a problem, but im mainly worried if the tile can actually lay flat enough at those areas and still meet the drain on the ends. any thoughts?
Good seeing you sal,I'm using foam, 2 55x36 presloped,w 2 ....48,linear drains,...4x9 dual showa,with floating bench,hope to get busy on it,I may record in time laps my install,thanks for such good info,I'm using lft,1x2 porcelain, Notice how I said showa instead of shower....😄
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Very good
Ils sont pas mal. Moi je pose ceux de chez Nicoll en France ils sont top.
Eric Le Carreleur You are the best friend!
Well done! Thanks
Thanks for watching!
SAL !!! Please read , can you do one of these for burbless showers, i love the quick explanation videos
Класс. В наш город ещё не дошло такое 🙃
Maybe it will one day.
Nice work
Thanks
You absolutely make the best videos about installing tile, Kerdi board and drain systems!! You explain everything so well. One question I have. Do you use Kerdi board or the liner under the mud?
Neither, watch this czcams.com/video/Z2p5ZBJHp0k/video.html
I'm mostly a novice however I have done one mudd shower pan about 6 years ago and it is still flawless. I'm looking at new trends and brushing up on my knowledge. Your video was a little confusing and I didn't figure out that you were jumping around to different installations until the very end. It would be less confusing if you focused on only one installation and instead showed the process from the start of the mudd pan, the positioning of the drain, and had the camera scan down into the cavity after you removed the temporary board and started the install.
I have almost 790 videos, pretty much all of them talk about tile and many of them show the entire process. Some are specific to a system or an aspect of tiling. Maybe you can find what you like in one of those.
So would this be a solution from turning a bathtub to a shower, since you'd want to center the drain if it were a regular drain? But with this it wouldn't have to be centered.
Another great vid Sal. Have you worked with the KBRS Shower Slope system? I see on their website they have a nice linear drain set-up I'm interested in and goes in really easy. Off-subject question, is a 3x6' shower a comfortable size for a decent sized person? I can find a ready made shower slope at 3x6 but over that it gets expensive.
Never used those, so can't say. As far as size goes, do a mockup and try it for size.
Any reason to have relief cuts near the linear drain? Is this only needed when using large format tile?
Sal, nice video as always. I see that you use a lot of the chrome grates rather than tileable. Is the draining performance better with the open grates? Because they should be 3/8" higher and should move more volume of water?
That is what people pick.
Thanks for the video! Do you recommend the linear style or traditional?
Whichever fits your need
Sounds like the compressor in your camera cuts back the audio making it harder for consistent audio.
Do you know if you can use a different drain plate with this system? Schluter doesn’t have the finish we want. They only offer stainless steel in the linear drains. ☹️
Hi Sal, should I expect a grout line against the drain and first row of tiles or does it butt up tight?tnx
moscato1ca
Use a bead of silicone I would anyways not grout as it may crack over time..
How do you calculate the pitch for the drain i know its 1/4 per foot but how do you get that please and thanks
Sal, For the small area off to the edges of a linear drain, do you form your mud bed to have slope into the drain or just build up the thinset to slope the tile?
Does not need much of a slope, it is a very short distance, usually the Kerdi band is enough.
Got it, thanks. Great channel, I've learned a lot from watching you!
Sal how do you dispose of wast water after clean up from gout/thinset? Down the toilet and give it a couple flushes to rinse everything down? I also have a wet saw I'm cleaning up after too.
No, if you are in the city you can get a barrel and dump water into and let the solids separate.
Super nice video again!! Question, when installing 12 by 48 to a linear drain. What about the smal sides to the drain and its slope, do you install the drain also with a slope so you there is no difference in hight?
Not sure I understand your question.
@@SalDiBlasi Hello proffesor sal, im sorry for not asking my question clear enough. If you make a slope to your drain, and the drain self is level. How do i correct the tile on the side of the drain. For instant if i cut out the tile for the drain. The long tile will be on a slope, the entering to the drain wil be on the same level as the drain, but the end of the cut out tile wil be lower than the drain because of the slope. How to fix this problem? Most tilers say its impossible so use mosaic in the douche area. If i still didn't explained it clear enough, im sorry and never mind. Still a new fan!
Thanks for the video. How do you size the length of drain though? Some run the length of the walls, others are a few inches back and you tile the sides.
Find the one that works the best, increments of 4"
Sal!! Are you a gamer?? Whats with the 3 giant monitors?? haha
Not anymore, however three monitors are really handy for video editing, and having several different things open at the same time. Once you get used to it you can't go back.
@@SalDiBlasi I run 2 on my offline video editing rig, but run a whole separate computer for everything else. Makes editing saver in case an open program that's not the NLE crashes the system, and frees up resources.
Who should someone call to install a linear drain or channel drain on a 2nd story balcony or covered room that has water standing on it during and after a rain?
Do you have any videos of this system in a curbless shower? Wondering how to get floor tile from the rest of the bathroom to meet up with the tile in the shower floor which is angled toward the drain? Thanks
Sorry I don't.
Do you have any videos were you talk about pricing projects?
Price is one thing I never talk about, too many variables to consider, geographical location being one of the biggest determining factors. A $5000 price tag in one place might seem ridiculously high where in another it might seem like a bargain for the exact same thing. Then there is thystem being used and the standards being followed. One guy might do it cheap and hack it in, another might do according to TCNA standards and charge double, however the guy charging double would be the better price, because the job done cheap will have to be torn out and done over in short order. So no I never talk about price.
Is that foam piece that goes in around the edge a pre pitch piece to direct water out of the corners of the shower? Also, it should be mentioned how much a line drain adds to the cost of a job. In addition to relocating your drain (which may/not need to be done anyway) the drain system itself is around $700 as opposed to a center drain that might be $50-$100 or included in the system you're using. We were going to use a line drain, but we're using cut river rock so it's basically a mosaic, and once I saw the cost it became a law of diminishing returns thing...If I had to use a line drain because of large format tile then so be it, but folks need to know the cost of this drain as opposed to a center drain. great video btw, as usual.
This is a Schluter Linear drain, I have many other videos that detail the installation process. Cost is a factor, if you think it costs too much, then don't use it, if it is in your budget, then do use it. The same argument can be made for any premium product, if you want to drive a BMW then you have to pay the premium, if you don't, then drive a less expensive car. Know what your budget is, and use the products you can afford, if you can afford top of the line, then that is your choice. Don't complain about the price if it is something you want but can't afford, no one is making you buy the products, and no one is stopping you.
I am not complaining at all and I can afford to do it no problem, but made a decision it's not worth it in my application since there aren't any reasons other than aesthetics to do it. The only reason I brought this up in the first place in my comment is because the differences in cost wasn't called out in your review. No complaints here, just trying to add to the discussion for others who run across this video to consider the differences in cost. It was helpful to see the install of it and you did a great job.
question, doesn't this mean you will have long diagonal cuts on the wall tiles? I haven't installed one of these yet but I cant picture a way to have straight bottom cuts (level perimeter of shower floor) with these things.
Yes, where the slope meets the wall, the cuts will have to follow the slope of the shower floor.
Hi Sal !!
I didnt see you put a membrane on the slab when you put the linear drain and sloped it beautifully..
Do I need one?
This is a sealed system, the waterproofing membrane is directly under the tile.
How can I get one of those books? Thank you
What do you use to attach the tile in the tile insert part of the linear drain? Mortar doesn't stick to stainless steel right?
You would use a tileable drain grate which is made to adhere tile to. This shower had a stainless steel drain grate.
Sal, what's your take on linear drains in general? Do you think that they require more maintenance than round drains, are they more prone to mildew/mold, any other issues we should know about before deciding on going linear?
Yes, they need to be cleaned regularly, but there is no reason not to use them.
I am told hair is constantly clogging them and people permanently remove the top cover.
@@number6396 "Told" by whom? No one I know would even consider removing the top cover because then it exposes the channel and defeats one of the main reasons for installing a linear drain to begin with -- it looks fashionably cool! What's more, removing the top cover won't prevent anything.
So, it's been two years since I've had ours installed. It's 40" in length, center location. We are two users, daily, and we've had zero clogs; in fact, I'd say that I don't see how a "clog" might even occur unless you fail to clean out the channel on a schedule of at least once every month or so (and even then you might be able to get away with cleaning twice a year -- worst case). But hair clogs? That's a non-issue folks.
@@gregorystevens5173 yup, and epoxy grout never needs to be cleaned... ever! 😂
What kind of cement or glue, do you use for the membrane?
Over mud, unmodified thinset mortar.
Hi Sal, I'm remodeling my walk in shower. It is on a concrete slab, with a center drain i want to change the slop so i can use a liner drain. what type of material recommend, to change the pitch?
hey Tom I think you can use the flange to change the slop, coz the flange can adjusement the higer
Here are a few results from my channel about line drains. czcams.com/users/SalDiBlasisearch?query=line%20drain%20mud
Sal would u feel comfortable using aquadefense on a outdoor porch vs schluter ditra
You need to consider a lot more than just the waterproofing for outdoor work, is the floor over a living area, is it subject to freeze thaw, is it exposed to direct sunlight, is it over a wood substrate or over a concrete floor, does it have a pitch to drain water, and much more.
Sal DiBlasi it does have pitch to drain in covered but would get direct sunlight and it’s in Florida so no freeze or thaw the only water it will be getting is from splashing of the ground more worried about the cracking aspect thank you for your replies
Then I would feel better with Ditra and you must honor the correct interval for expansion joints if it will be getting direct sunlight.
thank you just looked up the joint to i didnt even know about that
8 to 12 feet in both directions exrerior and exposed areas very important, 20 to 25 feet inside. If you ever see a tented tile install, lack of expansion joints is the cause.
Ads only make us hate their products... lol
Adds are how we make revenue which in turn makes it possible to keep making videos. Cost time money and effort to keep making content for a channel.
A question for the pros out there, skirting before or after tile (baseboard)
After, no question is better.
At 15:31 your kneeling on the tile. How long did you wait for it to dry? Assume over night, which is a bummer in that it delays things.
Tile was not set, was dry laid so still needed to pick it up and install it.
Cutting tile for mixing valve
Is there lots of regular maintenance required with these drains. I have heard that you have to open them up and clean them out like once a week. That would really be a a dealbreaker for me.
Monthly would be smart.
You know your stuff Sal but I felt dizzy after watching your video🤢😂
Have you ever seen a linear drain at the shower doors edge? I wonder how much water ever travels past the drain?
I have done several like that.
When the drain is installed close to a wall is the wall tile installed sitting on the shower base and grout fills the space between wall tile and drain?
cove base perhaps? I was thinking the same thing
Caulk is probably a better option for that.
I understand the use of caulk because of the change of planes but do you fill the entire void with caulk and no grout? What I was wondering was does the wall tile sit on top and cover the edge of the drain or is it better to have a gap between the drain edge and the wall tile that is filled with caulk?
In most cases there will be a small space between the drain grate and the wall tile, if you are installing the wall before the drain grate, make sure the grate will fit when you install the floor. If you install the floor first and the grate is already in, then if needed the tile can overlap the drain grate frame a bit as long as the drain grate insert can be serviced, I know it sounds a bit confusing, sorry.
Thank you Sal. I appreciate the reply and your explanation is not confusing, and is helpful.
can you purchase the materials at a Home Depot?
If you want quality, stay away from the box stores.
i have a linear drain being installed on one side of the shower. the floor will be pitched to the drain. cutting the bottom row of wall tile will be a challenge. will it be ok to install the wall tile and then pouring the mortar in the shower liner to avoid the angle cuts?
Depends on the type of linear drain, but in most cases not a good idea, and in some will be a guaranteed fail.
I'm jumping from video to video looking for weep hole detail. Nobody shows or talks about it....but later, when the ceiling has a water stain, they call me (plumber) and say "you have a leak" I say....no....your tile guy does.
This is a sealed system, there are no weep holes and no leaks.
You don't understand how a sealed system with a bonding flange works. Your hot mop is a regional thing, old technology used only in some parts of CA. You don't want to go back and forth with me, so I suggest you do some research, get up to date and find out about new and better systems used today. I may not have 40 years in the trade, but I do have 37, I don't ;et that stop me from learning about modern systems and methods. I am a member of the NTCA and have been to countless trainings and attended many industry events, Can you say the same.
Like I said, do some research, you need to catch up. Just because you don't understand does not mean it is not correct. If you insist on doing things the same way as you have done them for the past 40 years, nothing I say will change your mind. You know better than an entire industry. Plenty of info out there for the taking. Here is one place to start your research. www.ceramictilefoundation.org/
@@readmore3634 You just don't get it. czcams.com/video/p8xsx3316IU/video.html
Sealed systems don't use weep holes, they use a bonding flange. Schluter makes a system as does Laticrete, and others. Not knowing is not something to be ashamed of, information can remedy that. Digging in your heels and refusing to even entertain the possibility that you might not know is just foolishness. Again look it up and learn how a sealed system works. They are not the same as a "Water in, Water out" system. Two different animals. I will no reply further.
Please in spanis?
Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
Sal DiBlasi ok ok
Personally I do not like this, there is no way to catch the hair before it goes down the drain