Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It (Richard Reeves)
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- The Michael Shermer Show # 299
Shermer and Reeves discuss: • comparison method: U.S. vs. other WERID countries • education • work/labor market • family • marriage • Divorce/custody/spousal support/child support • intersectionality I: Black boys and men vs. White boys and men • intersectionality II: poor boys and men vs. middle class/upper class boys and men • What is a man? (nature and nurture in the making of a male) • what the political left gets wrong about boys and men • what the political right gets wrong about boys and men • solutions: red shirt boys early; men in STEM and HEAL • fatherhood as an independent institution
Richard V. Reeves is a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution, where he directs the Boys and Men Project and holds the John C. and Nancy D. Whitehead Chair. He is the author of Dream Hoarders: How the American Upper Middle Class Is Leaving Everyone Else in the Dust, Why That Is a Problem, and What to Do About It (2017) and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and The Atlantic.
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We as a culture are going through a tremendous period of transition. We all need to give and receive compassion.
This would certainly help.
well said
As far as equality I dont think of it as 50/50 in a specific field, Its more about the freedom to do what you want in life.
Freedom personally, and the free acceptance by most others of that choice. 'Oh, how could she/he possibly go for that kind of job? That's a male's / female's work!' The expectations of others can crimp genuine freedom of choice.
hi michael. a suggestion instead of giving the highlights in the description about the episode, i would suggest adding time stamps to it.
Boys' natural aggression and competitiveness needs to be embraced and channelled in healthy ways (sports, adventures, outdoors pursuits, etc) and not suppressed or mocked. This is a delicate issue given all the focus on "toxic" behaviours.
This.
Society doesn't care about men. Women have toxic behaviors and it is never the center of discussion. Because girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice as it is programed in peoples brains.
@@nobodyisprfct Up to a point, yes, although at the margins there is now a sign of pushback and I think people such as Reeves are part of an intelligent counter to the narrative.
While you have a point, keep in mind that aggressive behavior of any kind fosters an increasing loop of more aggression. It's just simple neurobiologicals. Finding the balance is tough. Again, you also make a valid point.
@@bjorsam6979 aggressive behavior "can" foster a loop. It depends on many factors that trigger the aggressive behavior. If pride is added to aggressive behavior there will be a negative impact. It is the job of the Parents to nurture natural emotions in a positive manner. Aggression is neither good nor bad in itself. This is just my opinion of course.
Competition or competitiveness is a healthy means in which males gain confidence.
It seems more often than not male's are being attacked for what they are naturally and because of many different situations men are being shamed as a whole.
Men were not made to compete with women but to compete with other men is natural. You see it in birds, lions, and other warm blooded mammals.
What a difference admiration brings to a dialogue! Great conversation, very interesting points. Congratulations all the way from Brazil.
Recommended reading:
Why Men Are the Way They Are
The Myth of Male Power
Both books were written by Dr. Warren Farrell.
@@davepeters3317
I take it you found "Why Men Are the Way They Are, worthwhile reading?
What does, "super cringey or super.... rapey" mean?
How about 'The Boy Crisis' by Farrell & Gray? Is that good?
@@AtticAurel
They are all good. Some are better than others. However, I am not a fan of John Gray.
@@davepeters3317 was it 'rapey' or are you repeating the claim that it is 'rapey' that has been going around for awhile from a quote-mined comment?
@@davepeters3317 Yes, I agree. Dr. Farrell's old school views are no longer viable. Just shows how far we've come.
We kept my son out of kindergarten for an extra year. He was fantastic on the intelligence test when he took he was given one, but he was immature for going into school. It truly paid off, he now has an MBA from USC! He was not a typical young person but he is wonderful now and happy and a father himself! I am reading “OF BOYS AND YOUNG MEN” and will give it to my daughter because she is the mother of two boys! She was much more organized in school and has a Masters in Architecture. They are both wonderful.
On why more women are now in collage then men, if men are no longer pushed to go to support a family and women are pushed to go to not depend on men, would not that explain it?
I think this is a big part of it. Men had a purpose and had a formula to follow . Up until 2010 or so.
Yes but they want to change the natural dynamics of male and female gender via science. Its all about eugenics, the birth control pill and the better baby pageants were just the beginning.
@@brianmeen2158 Yes, but with so many divorces or men leaving the woman they've made pregnant, how can there be a 'plan' for humanity?
@@brianmeen2158 Yes, but with so many divorces or men leaving the woman they've made pregnant, how can there be a 'plan' for humanity?
I mean everyone struggles. Men, women, black, white, old, young. No ones coming to rescue you.
Accept for women! Special privileges are given to women. All women and children first, men required selective service, women can choose to work or stay at home. It takes scientifically altering women's natural biology to get what we have today. That has not be done with males accept in most recent years (60 years is the more recent). Taking into consideration that in 4 thousand years of history women natural wanted children and it was supported as a good thing. Now women do not want children but rather have money and a successful career. A lot has changed after WW2 that significantly changed the male and female synergy.
Halfway through this conversation and very little about Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It...due to Shermer's loss of focus on the topic at hand.
I’m really trying to get through some of this without kicking someone.
Not sure about these facts. Our society has a ways to go for equality from this vantage point.
Competence is what keeps this world moving, in all levels we need competent professionals doing the work.
The men's movement doesn't hate women. You were hanging out with the wrong people.
I agree. The 2016 documentary _The Red Pill,_ by Cassie Jaye, is a good eye opener for that. I strongly suggest watching it.
@@Doutsoldome Yes, that was a fantastic documentary!
Yeah I found it comical how the guys didn’t mention modern feminism as a bunch of men-hating women yet the MRAs are just women-haters. Topics like this are so difficult to talk about with open honesty these days
It might not be the most technically groundbreaking film of all time but it's lucid, honest, and patient, and the fact that it was banned and precipitated protest marches and could not get a normal release anywhere, and was blacklisted by reviews from conventional media outlets, should tell you something weird's going on here. Just compare the big Hollywood releases -- 'Don't Worry Darling' is the most highly publicized film in the country and it portrays Jordan Peterson as Satan, literally. But if you're a man, and you say that you think there are differences between men and women, you're fired. I mean come on.
This reminds me, I saw Jerry Coyne praising Phyllis Chesler (who amoung other things defended Valerie Solanas) in an article once. For some reason apparently she isn't inciting violence accourding to Coyne...
“What do you want to be when you grow up?”
“Happy!”
Listening to this, I bought the Reeves book and listened to Carole Hooven and J Andrew Thomson about the effects of hormones on behavior, I find it very interesting.
Very interesting discussion, thanks!
I think the evolutionary biology explanation is simple. Girls are biologically capable of bearing children as teenagers, so over thousands of years of evolution, the mothers who matured quickly were more likely to bear and raise children who survived. Thus, that trait was passed forward through natural selection. There was just more of a biological advantage to be had for women to mature quickly than there was for men.
Alternatively, one of the reason humans are so smart and their children so dependant is the very long period of time it takes us to mature. Children have an incredible capacity to learn, and maturing slower means the ability to learn even more. Boys maturing slower might also be because that gave them the ability to even better help their society, be even more productive, and thus better able to protect and provide for their partners.
But I would be very curious as to why Mr Reeves associate slow brain maturation with somehow a need to be later in schools, when it's precisely children's brain that are the best to learn. It seems counter intuitive to me.
I find it particularly strange that he's so ready to jump to a biological essentialism explanation for boys struggling in school when the research on teacher bias (particularly female teacher) is extensive and demonstrate that boys get lower grades and harsher punishment for the exact same behavior, and we know very well the impact that teacher expectations has on students.
Seems like a weird blinds pot, and jumping straight to "males are biologically defective" before even suggesting we correct such a bias is particularly weird, especially in a world where people would jump down your throat were you to suggest such an explanation for disparities, even if you also took into account other more social factors.
I have an education degree but I was never able to teach because 120 graduated with me, but only 15 got jobs and get this: 7 were in Australia! I got a job before I even finished my Vocational School program later when I was out of college! And it became a career! I was a graphic designer and later a printing salesman and buyer.
I can see the problem with trying to get male teachers, ie. it's probably seen as a safety concern if these guys are single, and yet they will be single if their wages are commensurate with those of other teachers.
“You have to see it to believe it” does not explain how someone who doesn’t see it becomes it. Someone has to be first, so apparently it is not necessary to see it to be it. So why argue this way?
How do I get to see your pod cast without advertising? 6:15 minute spent advertising BEFORE any pod cast content
*What ice hockey can teach us about getting great outcomes, from boys, in education.* I read a book by Malcom Gladwell. Called Outliers: Stories of Success. (2011) One of the topics is ice hockey. Gladwell looks into: Who makes it to professional hockey? Are there any predictors? Yes. A very strong predictor:
Turns out, there is a very curious phenomena. Most of the pro players were born in the first few months of the year. Way, way more than is statistically reasonable. Very few pro players were born, late in the year. Curious. You might ask, what does birth dates have to do with how well you play ice hockey?
Nothing and a lot. Depends how you look at it.
Age itself has nothing to do with your potential hockey skills. But age combined with hockey rules? That's a different story.
So: The answer turns out to be, age has a lot to do with hockey ability. But only because of the rules for age of boys registering for ice hockey, and natural growth spurts in males. Hockey rules for who can play with which boys, are based on the calendar year you were born in. All boys born in 2018 will play against boys born in 2018.
But as common sense tells us, children grow very quickly. There is often a huge gap in height and physical maturity, between a 12 year old boy born in January and a 12 year boy old born in December, of the same year.
The 12 year old born in January, if he plays against a 12 year old born in December, will often have a huge physical advantage in growth, because he has been around for almost a year longer. He's grown for a year more. A 12 year old boy can grow an awful lot, in a single year.
So coaches watch boys play, notice certain boys perform much better than other boys, have better skills. Coaches tend to help those "talented" boys more, give them extra ice time, pick them for the first line. This shows up in player development, in a huge way. Boys born earlier in the year tend to be the ones dominating, getting more training, and ending up in pro hockey.
The effect is huge and has been measured by stats. Hockey stats are very good, very reliable, very detailed. Richard Reeves has said at times, boys should start school later than girls, because: biology. Let's all listen to Uncle Charles Darwin a bit more: Boys grow slower. Makes perfect sense. ✅
I read Outliers too, twice. Your account can be translated to the difference in girl-boy difference in maturity age. It is very difficult to implement differentiated schooling in public schools, though not impossible. The difference can be recognised by parents but then more families are having both parents working and that makes outsourcing of parenting to teachers another issue made complicated.
David Benatar's book was so much better. Why this guy received so much attention while Benatar didn't?
Here’s a curveball, that higher education may be ignoring. This shows up predominantly in art school and that is women’s increased enrolment in character design and animation. 15 years ago this territory of character creation wasn’t as dominant as it currently has become. In addition it character design was 15 years ago the area of males who were invested in online gaming. Now it’s mostly young women who want to create charters and animate stories.
Do you think schools k-12 teach a fear of birth? The message to young women is that getting pregnant is a disaster to your future. Young women now delay motherhood into their thirties.
Art school has a high enrolment of LGBTQ students and women who are enrolled in designing characters. This appears to be a safe and uniquely distant way to create people.
I’ll likely get attacked for this, so please understand that this is just a hunch. It may not be the case and I recognize it could be changes in media consumption and even social media.
Would be interesting to study.
This prefrontal cortex/risk taking thing could be because men have to provide worth or value to their tribe, be competent and as they say, confidence is the result of a successfully survived risk but the defintion of a volunteer is someone who didn't understand the question. Life dangerious, boys need the Dunning-Kruger effect with an appitate for risk to earn not only the right to be 'a man', but to exist at all, look at gobal phenomenon like aboriginal walkabouts. Modern civilastion, post agrarian revolutions, prevent young inadequate from being killed by those inadequacies, possibly because it turns them into slaves for lifes 'winners'.
I hope we can all agree that the sentiment of 'haha, tables have turned and now women can taste the fruits of unfair advantage while men sip the bitter dregs of subordination' is vapid, unhelpful and immoral.
Yes but many are cheering this on. These tend to be in power as well
Why is it now that whatever group(s) you happen to inherently belong to, define you completely? Race, gender, political and sexual orientation are the all-important factors that wholly determine who you are and what you "represent," I guess. It must feel good to people to have a cause and a community. There are few oddballs left who still don't care about any of that and prefer to approach people as individuals.
@@billscannell93 say it louder Bill. I’m so sick of having stereotypical af labels stuck all over me. My friend and even family circle grows ever so smaller. So sick of being spoken down to and bullied. Rely on yourself and trust those who have proved themselves worthy.
And not for a second was the possibility of bias from teachers against boys considered. Not for a second was the idea that what men need is not a "new script", but the same freedom from scripts that was offered to women. Not for a second was considered the idea that what "feels right" might actually be false. Not for a second was it considered that if men kill themselves more, it might actually be because they are more likely to meet issues that make it look like the better option.
Have you heard of the concept of "grayed out options". It's the idea that when all the people around you act a certain way, the idea that you could actually do or think something different doesn't even cross your mind.
You guys are so deep inside your bubble that plenty of ideas on the topic are simply "grayed out" for you. Some people have been discussing the issues men are facing for decades. Have you thought of going to talk to such people? It might make a few options become more selectable in your thought patterns. Because listening to you had me constantly shout "come on, you're almost there" only to be disappointed that you didn't grasp the insight that was discussed 10 years ago elsewhere.
You know, a bit like listening to a creationist who says "but if darwinisme is true, then how do you explain Noa's ark". Yes you almost get it, those two are incompatible, there's something to dig, there, but you're just digging for the wrong things.
Ah Fuck Michael, Desantis removed special rights from a corporation who should never have even had them in the first place as a direct response to that corporation getting into politics instead of the business it claims to be in.
It's not the Women's movement that has succeeded in doing all those things. Rather, it's the overall direction the west has been moving to. There has been no men's movement, and still we got the right to vote about the same time as women (in some places earlier and in some places later). There was no children's movement and yet we think that children should have at least the basic human rights.
The women's movement arose very naturally out of disappointments and exclusion of women from many trades and professions. In other words, a systematic bias and lack of representation. What do men lack that would motivate as well-founded a movement? What do these men thing they're missing? I thought men had it all!
@@davidwright8432 Lack of shelters for abused men. Lack of recognition of male victims of sexual assault by a woman. Lack of the right for genital integrity (and yes, circumcision is comparable to most of what the WHO considers FGM). Father's rights.
I dont think you guys truly understand when Rofo (and others) say there is grooming in schools. They are not claiming sexual grooming, rather, they argue teachers and authority figures are pushing this ideology onto kids who cannot defend against it.
Its just another version of "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."
Doesn't sound like he realizes the magnitude of the problem. It's disgraceful if even only one child is experimented on. I got the impression he the gender ideology is some far right conspiracy theory.
Where does 'ideology' start and useful information stop?
@@davidwright8432 not sure I understand that question but I know that if I accept no new information then it's ideology. Jesus is the son of God , no debate. Transwomen are women, no debate. If on the other hand someone proves those two suppositions to be true then my atheism and understanding of biology will shift therefore I can be certain that I am not being ideological. In the end it's the welfare of our children and protection of women from predatory males that's most important.
@@davidwright8432 Yes, Would that we all could tell the wheat from the chaff and teach this critical awareness to our children!
Oh boy, a man does not have to identify himself in “that category” to be a man. A man is an adult human male, regardless of how he identifies. To say otherwise is to render the term “man” meaningless. If man can be either male or female, we need a new term for adult human male. A male lion is not a man. What is the new term? Pragmatically, if this is the new definition, we need to rename mens sports teams, prisons, locker rooms, bathrooms and clubs, to male, to avoid confusion.
Marriage is what is best for kids, in general. Berger et al (2009), studied this and found that calls to child protective services were 10 times higher with step parents. Many studies have shown step dads are much more likely to molest kids than biological dads. I suspect there is an evolutionary explanation for these phenomena.
Absolutely. I got both my kids married off before they turned 4. I had a real quiet pleasant life.
@@grindupBaker - Marriage by far is the best solution and most productive and health out of all the solutions. Your sarcastic remark doesn't change the fact that healthy marriage is superior!
Women do not want men that do not work and there is no such thing as equality one of the genders is going to suffer when "equality" is attempted. Especially when pushed by activists.
Certainly not best for women!! Men are not pleased as they will have less authority over them. Take a deep breath and get used to the idea. Thousands of women who don't want men in their lives, just children. It had to happen. When you educate people they think!!
Would someone explain the phrase 'red-shirting'? As a non sports-fan in utero and on, I have no idea what it means - except some kind of distinction. One's tempted to say, 'segregation' ... but surely not.
red shirting refers to college sports athletes who are able to be on the team but not eligible to play. Typically a year or two, since they probably won't play anyway, and still retain their eligibility for 4 years.
I’ve really enjoyed the discussion on feminism and I am enjoying having my presumptions questioned.
I am quite disappointed that half way through and the issue of gender comes up, and yet again it turns to ‘taking the heat out of the debate’ and we need compromise. It shows little understanding of what has happened in the last few years. No debate is the catch-phrase of one ‘side’ of this argument, not both. And when you talk to people that haven’t paid too much attention, they describe themselves as moderate or ‘on the fence’ whilst putting forward the main GC type position (sports, prisons, changing rooms and toilets, domestic violence and rape crisis centres). There isn’t really any compromise that can be made past that.
Michaele, are you much skeptical of this transgender ideology stuff? Wanna hear you speak to that.
Look up his interview with Helen Joyce on this channel.
I bet both of these guys would think much much differently of the “progress” we have made if they were oh 20-30 years younger. I honestly see the modern dating and relationship dynamics to be atrocious and sadly don’t see any practical ways to fix it.
What do you find to be so wrong with the modern dating scene?
@@billscannell93 If you're in the top 10% of men (often referred to as chads) then your dating scene will be amazing. If however, you're just an average guy, then yes your dating scene will be atrocious. Recent research from social media dating apps studying huge numbers revealed that to girls and women, 80% of boys and men are below average. That highlights it.
Completely agree. The modern dating world is a mess and depression-inducing. And the struggle for men and women is actually very different. Women face a large amount of available men but a very low 'quality density' and hard to get men to commit; and men face a low interaction number, high rejection, faced with expectations they must fail to fulfill etc.
It's rough... ☹😟
Women have extremely high expectations and most men can’t meet them. Social media has really brain washed women to believe there are unlimited numbers of high value men. The gender pay gap narrowing has also made it tough for men to be bread winners which is something women still want in a mate. They don’t want to make more than their counter part. With all of this, males are either highly sought after or completely ignored.
Agreed. The "dating“ market is now just Porsche Polygamy.
Added in edit:
Women's perspective on men is Relative not Newtonian in that they measure the value of men against the best they can imagine not on a real world standard bell curve as men measure the value of women. As men we have to study, understand, and utilize that difference co-operativly for monogamy to be an option.
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Reduce the educational gap of Boys to Men in connection to Girls and Women because doing about this situation is not working.
If he wants more men to be a elementary school teachers, I would suggest to pay teachers decently. And of course not just male teachers. Men are not going to go into a female job, if there is just shitty pay.
What is the difference between grooming and good intentions if the result is the same?
Difference is though your dog responds well to good intentions he still don't smell so great.
Is this guy advocating for pay “race equity”? First, try to get pay equity within racial groups. In America, Indians make more than Filipinos, who make more than Koreans, who make more than Chinese etc. cultural values are different amongst different ethnic groups. In the UK and the US, Nigerians make more than Jamaicans. Difference is the norm.
1:00:00 “why are adolescent boys less risk averse than girls?” - didn’t you say that “lobster fishermen” (most lethal profession) are male dominated? so why would you expect young men to be different??????
WHY are adolescent boys less risk? 1:00:00?
Normalization of changing males is what this is all about and how to do it where women are still attracted to men. Its all about changing biology.
In my opinion, a return to something akin to the boy’s school’s in Great Britain where physical activities were an essential part of the curriculum, might be in order. Young males, more than females, need to expel a greater amount of energy, on a daily basis. Perhaps separate and very different curricula should be considered for each sex, with a much greater emphasis on physical activities for the males.
Plus you can measure the height of things with your Boy Scout's pole. I think I knew the height of just about everything in London. The benefits are endless.
Makes perfect sense, your comment. I've always thought boys had a lot of trouble with self-discipline, especially in the teenage years. Best thing for that? Martial arts: judo, karate, tae kwon do. Etc. It goes back to evolution: males evolved for hunting. Sports is basically hunting, with rules. That's why video games are so popular among boys: it mimics hunting. Can't tear them away from that.
American boys generally speaking I think participate in more pyshically demanding sports and activities than alot of kids in other parts of the world and the issue persist if not are worse in the US. I think numbers have gone down in school sport participation in recent years and still think it's important for many reasons but idk how much that's the answer.
@@TimBitts649 Good point--sports are basically hunting. But so is shopping.
31:42 as soon as fishermen example was brought up, Mr expert is like yeah bla bla bla. mate what’s your goal? let say 30 percent is the number, now you want to have a quota? maybe best way is to have equal opportunity and let people decide rather than trying to engineer society?
indeed, the sexual revolution has done woman a major disservice, again of course, on average. mainly in that before it, the unspoken assumed default answer to a male sexual preposition was no. the man had to negotiate his way "around" that no. he had to be a gentleman, he had to be chivalrous. whereas after it, the unspoken assumed default answer to a male sexual preposition was yes. and now woman had to "negotiate" out of that and explain why not. which is of course a terrible situation for a woman to be in.
You pronounced Ushuaia correctly :)
It's oos-why-ah
Not you-shy-ah
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So Reeves thinks we should respect young people that identify as wild animals? Again the adults have to step up and inject some sanity into the discussion . It might be too late though
There has always been mentally ill people, nothing has changed in that aspect. There's some methods to minimize the effects of certain mental illness but it's up to the parents to catch it and get the right help for their child.
46:45
Why doesn't somebody ask the kids if they like schools segregated by sex? It's always adults duscussing this but I personally know an all girls school and the girls are terrifically happy and chose to be there. But of course it's a private school, so far all those are private at least that I know of. That's the situation nowadays but when I was a girl all public schools were segregated and I certainly do not regret it one bit.
My sister was raped in an all girl school!
@@nobodyisprfct i guess that means girls schools are full of rapists?
@@ginabisaillon2894 - You guessed wrong and according to your reply you i bet you guess wrong often. People i get lack the engery to talk to you because of the extreme sarcastic assumptions in which you make. Why do people such as yourself often go the outrageous of 1 means some sort of required all or nothing response.
Your solution involves parents asking children what they think is best for them? Because children or "kids" have experienced life to the degree that they fully understand the purpose of life?
I simply said my sister was raped by another girl in an all girl school. Segregating by sex will still have its down sides is the main point. It is not by any means a solution.
Today's feminist places fear towards men as well as hate. Segregation wasn't good for races and it won't be good for the 2 genders.
Those girls can be there because their parents can afford it.
an all boys school is also a disaster
why do people need to like work? i dont like my work but i do it cuz the pay is good. if i were given the choice and if i were rich. i probably stop my job and do menial stuff (not sure what). but menial stuff dont pay as good (or dont) of what i am earning.
question for super laborious workers (miners, constructions, farmer, sewer and sanitations, whores (?), etc), do you guys love your work? i mean do you wake up every morning and say oh boy i cant wait to go to work. very exciting and im looking forward doing these jobs.
Depends on the work that they do that fits in with their passion.
We need to like work because we spend most of our waking hours there. Coming home tired and sick of work to the family is unlikely to result in an even roughly functioning family. That many don't like their work might explain a lot of familial unhappiness.
Lets be specific: "The modern Male in parts of the West"
You'll find similar problems in Japan or South Korea e.g.
Nah. China, Korea and ESPECIALLY Japan all suffer from this as well
@@AtticAurel Japan and South Korea dont have 9,000 nukes, over 800 military bases in over 140 countries and refuse to ratify the International Criminal Court.
When we refer to the West, we are essentially talking about the USA.
That power situation is rapidly changing.
Empire is going down and they dont even realise it
DNA tests for all births should be mandatory.
Considering that anthropologist describe pre-agricultural humans as profoundly egalitarian, I suspect that we are on the way to a more balanced expectation and appreciation of the various roles needed to raise a family and create a society.
Have seen a lot of refutations and disagreements among anthropologists (and in other relevant fields) about whether that is nearly as true or universal as often claimed.
@@bobcharles7933 certainly, but there is enough evidence to at least counter the claim that a patriarchy is somehow "natural" or "evolutionary".
We can widen our imagination when speaking of the past to include the obvious pragmatic benefits of community, not simply patriarchy.
@@DejanOfRadic The only reason we aren't in a civil war is because of a good economy.
I don’t know, I feel things are going to be quite difficult for many for years to come .. the current scrambling of gender roles is creating quite a bit of confusion and it’s obvious why
@@brianmeen2158 it will work itself out as soon as the lawsuits start to pile up......look at the Netherlands and even England
23:22 sums it all up women have the option and men do not! Men do not get this option because women are less attracted to men that do not work a job! The only way to change this is to turn men into women and women into men. As science is doing today somewhat.
The absolute funny thing as well sad with this study is that now men are required to act more feminine. We here men are more better off but in what way? We here women are WAYYYY more better off! Ya men are getting the lower end of the stick sort of speak. Majority of women didn't want the right to vote during that era.
Segregation suggest that women are forced to choose the jobs!
The quality of children coming from parents with no mental illness no relationship issues had increased. There is a large amount of men who are unhappy and the fact that men have the highest suicide rate, that men lack the ability to get married without a supportive job never seems to enter in discussions. Well as long as women are happy. Functionality of the human race does not matter. This Marxist feminist b.s. and is sickening. Feminizing men is not the answer, it is also sickening and the problem.
Women pay gap definition during the time of work is type of job and willingness to work vs being with children. Milton Friedman was spot on in his studies with which his wife helped. Women today in the United States are becoming less appealing men and vise versa. I would like to see a presentence of how many women in the United States would like to have a man that doesn't work? Men were not meant to compete with women and that is exactly what society is doing. Essentially Left wing marxist beliefs as well as left wing feminist beliefs have been destroying societies. This has been the case in Roman history as well.
We do not have capitalism we have a mixed market economic system that has existed since 1930 and it favors socialisms. the majority of women are more supportive of socialisms which incorporates governments similar to communism and fascism.
The current outcome of the Sexual revolution of the 1960's is increase sexual diseases, decline in fatherhood, increase in homosexuality male/female. Transgender ideation has increased. We haven't even see real good studies on the effect of menstruation control pills or birth control pills and children born. Nobody will fund those studies because it would effect women's ability to work.
Even though women have cancer and studies have shown that COCP/COC pills cause or trigger cancer in women. Women in society doesn't care as long as they get money. Women are more of the problem today. The manipulation of hormones has negatively effected society.
Wish these two could have talked to Kevin Samuels, although he wan't a schola.
I would have loved to see Samuels on this podcast . I agreed with him
On so much
skip to minute 48 (at least) .. previous is mostly arguing against 60s-70s, 50yr old feminism.
at 1hr8min shermer finally asks: what's a man?
and then shermer goes on to alternate between "man" and "male" and make up some arguments that the "trans" movement makes. (of course while asserting its them that confuses sex and gender.)
ultimately no discussion about "masculinity".
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“Just to make a political statement,”gentlemen? Those “conservative” people, are concerned about children and the press for an agenda to make them think about, be concerned about, sex and how they feel about sex. There is much, much more our children should be learning and their place in the developed world educationally, proves the need for that.
i do wonder if theyll tacke our low birth rate here in the US
Alarming if 'they' have no idea how to do that!
The US still has a better birth rate than alot of the rich, developed world. Even if it is quite low.
1:24:00 everyone is always going on about race and how it relates to income education etc etc "as a white person bla bla blah". No one ever brings up Asian Americans. Asian Americans on average higher educated and earn more than whites. No one brings this up because destroys the narrative. If they are systems made to keep minors down, then how is that one minority beating the odds. I think it alot more cultural than we give it credit for.
I think what Richard is missing is a female perspective on why girls are more organized:
1) Women from a young age realize you have limited time. (Men don't feel this pressure)
You need to get the diploma, so you can get a degree, to make money, so that way your can rely on a man (but don't need to, in case he is abusive, or leaves).
All while having a few pregnancies in there somewhere. All by the age of 28-30 preferably.
2) We know from a young age we are judged more harshly for our actions by society. (Men have a lot more leeway for how they act in society, and are encouraged to be reckless)
We Women are judged for when we lose our virginity, how many boyfriends we have, and we know we will bear the brunt of any sexual mistake (pregnancy). We can't fuck up.
3) Women are socialized and rewarded for caring for others, and scolded when we don't put others first. The girls are washing the dishes, taking care of sibling, and helping mom cook. While the boys are out "boys will be boys". Most women across the world become mothers below 18yo.
Over 20 years, it adds up. Girls are given more responsibility when they are younger. Sure, maybe they are more ready but it produces a positive feed back loop for assuming men are idiots.
Mens reproductive biology is working against men in the modern world. As it makes them think they have all the time in the world, and some might. But women know they need to have their shit together or they will fail, this will always make them more hyper successful than men. It's biology.
I realized this when I was 10yo. I think my brother's realized this when they were closer to 30.
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There is a saying:
"A husband is the first child in the marriage"
"We know from a young age we are judged more harshly for our actions by society."
how does this jive with the sentencing gap? That men are held to a higher standard in terms of criminal sentencing (and arrest, and charges...) for identical crimes?
I don't think women are held to a higher standard. They're held to a different standard.
Of course, males are also judged sexually as well, just in a different way than women. If you are male and are a virgin, you are seen as less desirable, less capable and less worthy of affection or care in society.
Of course there is a difference in how mature girls and boys are at different ages.
@@ThePharphis I love when men post shit but never read through the articles:
1) Men commit most of the violent crime, and are more often repeat offenders. This leads to higher sentences.
2) To few women commit "male typical" crime so statistically it's not enough to study in comparison to men.
3) Women who do commit "male typical" crime do get harsher punishments due to "breaking female norms".
The crime stats and jail time is the "wage gap" issue feminists have, but the RedPill version.
Rules:
In every society women have more social rules than men.
Women have harsher standards on beauty, sex, maturity, social interactions, and family.
"Boys will be boys" attitude on all levels for men.
Society has been set up where women are seen as the inferior serving role. When a woman denies these roles there is a host of slurs and sayings that come out.
Think about every society and religion? Who is punished the most for defying norms? Who are the rules designed to control?
It's always about a woman's autonomy, choice, and body.
Men might get shamed by other men by not having enough of something, as men in society are supposed to be entitled to everything. You don't have enough sex, enough power, enough money, enough education.
Where as women are shamed of having to much. To much education, to much money, to much sex, to much thinking.
As a woman society and men want you to fade away and become a servant.
So yes women get punished by so many societal things that men can't even comprehend because you are encouraged to get more.
I can debunk whatever crap is in this social "science" video instantly. I'm a male (very male style, handsome and all that), I'm very modern (I have a cellular device) and I'm not Struggling , I'm having a high old time non stop. So the video's all wrong stud.
Good for you that you weren't abused by a woman, because if you were you would be way more fucked than any abused woman. (And men just commit some 10 to 20 per cent more abuse, so don't come with that siliness that only men abuse.)
IQ is genetic mostly
you are very naive to think there is no agenda.