JJ is very insecure. Ofc he did. I respect his hard work, but it falls flat when u realize how sensitive he is. He made a whole persona because of his sensitivity lol
Lmao, the guy is an obese dude who does nothing else but tweet about someone he barely knows about. The fact that he's trying to go after a Strength and Conditioning coach and a national Boxing champion makes him deserving of this slander
"I wonder how it developed" Mams Taylor, Keemstar and KSI is how it developed. Mams Taylor actively endorsed him, Keemstar gave him a job commentating and KSI gave him validation.
I don’t know if either Leon or Viddal are still close with JJ, but somebody needs to tell him just how much damage the fan has done to JJ’s reputation and following.
He’s done it to himself, he should have kept Leon as a S&C, Shootfighters allowing Bradley Martin to call out his poor techniques. It ain’t no coincidence he’s had all this drama and controversy around since befriending a scam artist and starting a beverage company with him. His manager is a weird dude as well. KSI is someone who is steered easily and needs good people around him to keep him grounded.
The delusion in some of these fans is getting out of hand and dangerous, im a ksi fan too but i totally agree with viddal's rating, i would even say it was a bit generous too
It's very generous. KSI should not have a 10 in anything, at least from what I've witnessed in his matches. Perhaps Vidal has behind the scenes knowledge or even first-hand experience that influenced his rating, but KSI doesn't deserve a 10 in power or durability based on what I've seen from him in the ring.
Yeah defo in Leon’s words “keemstar’s experiments” - others, making this thing disgusting can’t even have an opinion without either being delusional or a glazer there’s no winning lol
@leytonwalker1190 I know, but at the same time, the fact that KSI couldn't knock out an extremely skinny Mexican or even drop Tommy, and his only legit knockout was against Temper who is also quite skinny doesn't speak well for his power either. Giving someone a 10 who couldn't knock out a walking stick man is a joke.
Honestly, one of the main reasons I left the ksi Twitter community, shit is mainly full of toxic fans that have no idea what they’re talking abt and posts every thoughts/takes in their head on Twitter like it’s extraordinary or sum
Yea and don't get me wrong I'm one of the people that belive KSI is really underrated as a boxer and people don't take him as serious as he takes himself, but I've seen the Fan say he sees shades of a early Mike Tyson and in 4 years he would have a extremely competive fight with fuckin Usyk, I don't even really use Twitter anymore because it's just full of stupidity and negativity
Everyone on Twitter who ain’t an influence of some sort is mentally ill they just go there to express their insane beliefs and opinions anonymously, bunch of weirdos 😂
It's funny how KSI fans think they know him personally from their 5-second long interactions with the guy in public, and feel they could criticize others and attack their character for having different opinions on him. It's like they forgot that Viddal and Leon have both known KSI personally and trained him FOR YEARS. If anyone has a right to talk about JJ for his Boxing ability and/or his character, it is absolutely these two people, not some kid who saw JJ in a mall once and got a quick photo with him.
The fan guy and that AOTP_Hunter person are the worst thing happened to KSI. His fanbase so delusional and toxic. That hunter guy running multiple KSI fan accounts like bro get a job. What's wrong with these kids. They are crying over KSI's loss like it's their life lmao. He was emailing PBA and everything
During the pandemic, the KSI community was absolutely incredible. It was so much fun, and was an escape for those who needed it. Now, it’s full of people like “the fan” who have absolutely ruined it was toxicity and hate. It’s genuinely damaged JJ’s reputation and following.
@@MTMuppeta lot of his “mature fans” from then grew up, got jobs, maybe are starting a family etc and aren’t as interactive/involved anymore. sure they might watch the fights, but they ain’t gonna be typing out comments on opposing views, or arguing shit. silent majority init.
I'm so glad that people (creditable people) are giving GENUINE criticism to KSI's boxing. I personally think they were being nice to KSI. There is so many areas KSI could improve in.. He really needs to evolve & become more dynamic. It's weird how many people defend him
Honestly that fan kid is the worst thing that's happened to twitter, I've blocked him too. Back before he become relevant I joined his Twitter space with 5 people in- he saw that mams follows me and literally began begging me to invite mams to the space swearing at me when I said no. Few months later I see his begging attitude rewarded getting mad opportunities and shit (but flaking on them cause he dont know what he's doing)
He gives off serial killer vibes. What’s worse is people try to make him the face of the KSI community just because Keemstar randomly gave him a platform a few months ago.
yeah he originally came from the community i’m a part of, the small creator scene. i’d like to apologise on behalf of everyone from that community for allowing such a wetty to exist. twitter spaces breed degenerates
During the pandemic, the KSI community was absolutely incredible. It was so much fun, and was an escape for those who needed it. Now, it’s full of people like “the fan” who have absolutely ruined it was toxicity and hate. It’s genuinely damaged JJ’s reputation and following.
@@lidaaletap2646Jake dropped Tommy. JJ didn’t. JJ couldn’t sleep pineda or swarmz. He knocked out Fournier with an illegal elbow. He slept a call of duty CZcamsr. He couldn’t sleep a walking Weller punching bag. His power is overrated and so is his cardio. He says he has this freakish insane levels of cardio yet he refuses to go past 6 rounds while Jake is out here doing 10.
@@ehe4474 But he couldn't sleep Gib, a CZcamsr that was doing the 🦀 Couldn't sleep Ben Askren either, or Anderson Silva, so I mean, does that mean Jake doesn't have power? No, it just means he couldn't knockout those particular guys. Also, Muhsin Cason has sparred them both and is unbiased, he said KSI hits harder than Jake
@@MAT-wn5frthat “novice” slept a 10-1 pro on a 7 fight win streak in the first round. He’s not world class, but neither were a lot of the top star’s first pro opponents (in fact, most were significantly worse). Is Jake Paul a world title contender right now? No. Is he really good at boxing? Yes.
Viddal and Leon are in right to show critique of Jj they've been around JJ and have trained him since the start of influencer boxing and since it was established. Not only that they quite clearly have lot of knowledge when it comes to combat sports they've litteraly been around combat sports since youth they know their shit Viddal is litteraly a professional fighter himself so if anyone knows anything about combat sports in the influencer boxing community its them
Let's be real, Mams can't handle the criticism of KSI just like The Fan. The fan is nothing but a weirdo Make-A-Wish KSI charity case that people feel sorry for. He doesn't live in objective reality when it comes to KSI. He doesn't count.
Power is still weird to me. You guys say how Jake fights lighter opponents, but so did jj with Luis and swarmz who had two weeks of training and he couldn’t knock them both out cold, Alex wasabi has a better knock down against Luis than Ksi. Jake has also dropped the hardest opponent in Tyron woodley and Anderson Silva who beats everyone jj has fought
I mostly agreed, though personally I would make Durability and Stamina to be distinct measurements, as it seems they were both largely based purely on stamina which is where confusion comes from. - I think some people would see Jake as more durable a fighter, e.g., better chin, but on the other hand people may also say that KSI has better stamina because he did star jumps for 6 rounds. - So I think make them distinct stats otherwise it's just a dodgy metric Also, I think the problem with rating power, is that there is experience you have first-hand from training KSI, and on the other hand nothing available on Jake Paul, bar what has been publicly displayed in the ring. So in this regard if you're comparing them both then I think it should be assessed strictly on what they've achieved inside of the ring on their fight night (Sparring and training excluded) - As in this regard I wouldn't rate their power more than 1 point apart. - I mean yes Jake has fought people that have been naturally lighter, but in the same vein, the opposition that Jake has fought, whilst they have been MMA fighters, they have still be used to getting clocked across the face, which I think should be accounted for as well.
Wrong.. Jake’s boxing style will struggle more with the Temperr’s wary style, southpaw jab and reach making it harder and takes longer to set up a KO like KSI did because of being wild (Jake isn’t wild like that) but risk-reward KSI has faith he can eat a punch clean to land a KO shot, also weight class, Jake would have to go down (not too much) to meet Temperr for you to equal it with the KSI fight.. not Temperr ballooning up which makes him even slower, which you don’t know how that drains affects Jake’s power till you see.. Fight Maths doesn’t work like that, you don’t know what a fight looks like till it happens, styles make fights. If you actually watch boxing or box bro you would know this🤦🏿♂️@@extraterrestrialhorse9722
@@oPeY4President Temperrr got caught by Slim and Ginty... yes styles make fights but Jake has all the tools in the shed to set it up and land it. But my point wasn't about landing it. My point was assuming he did, it would knock the soul out of Temperrr in regards to power. Temperrr is way less durable than the guys Jake has fought despite them being "washed and undersized".
Slims is not a wild fighter like KSI and he was able to knock out temper in the second round. Yeah temper is southpaw but Jake’s has fought many southpaws himself like Anderson Silva and Nate Diaz and he did well against them. Plus I depends on the weight as well because if they were to fight at 190 then Jake would Knock him out faster the KSI. But at 180, he most likely probably wouldn’t have Knock him out as fast a KSI did because the Style Jake uses would have made him to wear him down a bit. Jake would probably KO him in a few rounds no matter the weight.
Jake’s power Being a 7 and jjs a 10 makes no sense cos Jake’s fights naturally ligher ppl? Same with jj even if Jake’s opponents has naturally been lighter they can take punches way more than jjs opponents
13:33 'RIL Cards' has a nice ring to it. I do appreciate the interactive nature of this content because it forces the audience to speak about boxing and getting behind their favourite boxer but not just as a fan boy but it would be a technical conversation esp. after you're breaking things down further. ❤
if u discount jake's power for knocking out lighter opponents coming up to his weight, you REALLY need to discount ksi's power cos he couldn't knock out pineda.
15:20 I love the breakdown of the numbers of the scoring, much more transparent and for laymen like myself, it would be very educational and informative
He literally does look like he hasn’t seen sunlight in a long time I agree with Leon. When he was at the misfits event he can barely open his eyes and his shoulders and hair are covered in dandruff
While 10 year olds were watching that video on Christmas Day complaining i was spending Christmas Eve and Christmas with family like a normal family man
4:45 i agree but lee some of us been watching real boxing for years and been to multiple amature gyms ahahha. big up tho i get what your saying with the younger fans like 'the fan' who just glaze and dont know wtf they are saying
Regarding power. I say it again. Ksi fought guys with 0 fighting experience or months of training. Guys who aren’t used to get punched in the face. He barely slept anyone. Also these guys never did weight cuts like the professionals jake fought. Those mma guys are 200+ lbs guys during training off season then cut down to 170 being like 190 at fight night. Jake dropped and slept guys. So based on the fights Jake surely got one or two up on ksi. It is not hating it is being real! Got to understand fighting to get it i guess.
imo in Viddal's perspective making a video like this about Jake vs Ksi is a lose lose situation either he puts Jake winning and you get backlash and called a Hater like he is getting now, or if it was the other way around you get called bias and unfair , i dont agree with some of his ratings but the outcome was what i expected, to me Jake is more complete and favourite to win a fight
Mams is similar to the fan in a way. He gets mad when people give their opinions on ksi. He tweeted after vidal made the video talking about loyalty and snakes or something.
People need to realize these rival cards truly mean nothing to how the fight actually plays out. They are just for fun because nobody knows how they will fight against eachother. Much love to yall for being real.
Shows everything what’s wrong influencer boxing when that “the fan” got any clout at all. Guy is absolutely fucking wrongen. He should be involved in the next Ringer 2 never mind misfits ffs
I’d love to see KSI’s reaction to the original video. Critics are always gonna have something to say about KSI, but when it comes from someone he probably considers a friend I’d be interested to see how he took it, well I’d imagine I’m sure there’s no hard feelings
Bro are we serious? 8:24 First thing I’m a jj fan I’ve been a fan since before sidemen but to say Jake fights guys who are light but then say jj dose not is straight bull shit Temper, Pineda, even joe weller we’re all size wise smaller and yes before people get on my 🍆 joe was in better shape more swoll but that’s not the wait for his body type he should be smaller. Swarms was fat and out of shape and knew nothing on how to box I’ll smoke that swarms. Temper was already shown to have a glass chin. Pineda did not want to even be in the ring that night it was clear he was doing it for money. Joe Fournier was trash and that fight don’t even count cuz jj knocked it down with tbt elbow but I will says he was shit I think jj was going to get the ko regardless. That leaves just his Paul fight and joe fight Joe weller DID NOT THROW A FUCKING PUCH, he was all bark no bite Logan till tommy fury was by a mile jj’s strongest competitor and Logan for how long it’s been is still shit he should be way better with that size and reach and snappy jab he could be better then jj and Jake if he had that killer mind like jj and Jake. So with that said I’ll say jj won that first fight it was not a draw the second one tho I had Logan winning till the two points taken jj was clearly out boxed that night just showed massive heart and will but if not for the two points he lose that fight So with all that said I’ll say jj did I’m my opinion beat tommy I feel he took away jab he landed just as much a Tommy and he threw less and I think he land the more powerful and meaningful punches but I was also some who felt Jake did enough vs Tommy to get a draw tommy never had Jake hurt and Jake did score a knock down and I felt those’s rounds were closer then judges scored it. JJ did do better then Jake in that fight but that delusions to say jj’s power is better when we see who’s he fought vs jakes opponent guys who fight yes not boxing but they fight they take bangs they know what It takes to win and Jake has slept them or dropped them if you give jj a 10 Jake gets a 10 no way you can say he Hits harder based off performance an opponents. I get you have felt his power but you don’t know Jake’s you never felt it so to say that it’s biased (I’m a jj fan) but facts are facts they have to have even or jj is 1 less just do to performance. All I’m saying
The fan and his Twitter spaces with mutuals is just a circle of pure drama and toxicity in their circle of “friends”. You know it’s bad when Viddal has to block you too 💀
I really don’t understand how anyone can say ksi is higher rating😂 he’s fought absolutely no one and the one time he did fight someone he lost and it was a terrible fight.
@@tsgrapiidz6970 watch round 3 or 5 definitely hurt tommy and tommys actually a little lighter than Jake tommy said he walks around at like 87-88kg which is like 192-195 Ksi walks around like 184-188 Jake walks around at like 198-204
@@tsgrapiidz6970jake has knocked higher level competition tho me and you have been back and forth for years now but you can’t debate and say Ksi has knocked out more higher level opponents then jake because it would be false 🤷♂️
Leon speaking facts The fan isnt just a fan, he is the biggest most massive KSI D rider and even with KSI massive ego, he must get tired and annoyed of the fan
This is why i love watching thes mans they are more knowledgeable then me with the sport and say it how it is. Imo JJ ruins his reputation a bit by accepting rides from people like The fan and cant take criticisms he loves getting his ass licked... Sad that thats one of the reason he can't take Wade cause Wade keeps it real
jake would be the favorite and KSI would be the underdog just like he was the underdog against logan simple as that doesnt mean KSI doesnt have a chance
The only thing I disagreed with you on was JJ being more powerful than Jake because JJ has 2 ko one with his elbow and the other being Faze temper Jake has knocked out much better people than JJ so far
Leon cooking the fan 😂
as he should
@@benjaminobroI am ksi fan but fuck me he dick rides JJ to much.
He should going at Wade, Sensei, Leon and Viddal people who have infinitely more knowledge then him.
Also he's always just stirring the pot constantly
Nah Leon could roast your whole life and they’d be nothing you can do about it😂
@@wespicedmemes 🤣😂
The worst thing is, KSI shook The Fan's hand and said he rated him. He's essentially enabled and co-signed his activity.
JJ is very insecure. Ofc he did. I respect his hard work, but it falls flat when u realize how sensitive he is. He made a whole persona because of his sensitivity lol
I think that was before he showed his true colours. Since then he’s become an absolute nightmare, and I think JJ acknowledging him enabled that.
JJ did it so he wouldn't get any backslash from the mental health community. He's already been apart of a few
@kamuishortsgamer3728 we all have insecurities. He's a guy who's emotional. Which is why his friends and manager help him
@@MTMuppethis true colors were shown long long before ksi meet him
I love how Leon’s chilling until 0:58 and then ACTIVATES with ‘Jabba The Hutt’ 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao, the guy is an obese dude who does nothing else but tweet about someone he barely knows about. The fact that he's trying to go after a Strength and Conditioning coach and a national Boxing champion makes him deserving of this slander
LEON KILLS ME 😭😭😭
Jabba the hut is crazy 😂😂😂😭💀
"Keemstars experiment" love Leon man 😂
Leon is tired of “the fan” we all are 😂😂
"I wonder how it developed"
Mams Taylor, Keemstar and KSI is how it developed. Mams Taylor actively endorsed him, Keemstar gave him a job commentating and KSI gave him validation.
I don’t know if either Leon or Viddal are still close with JJ, but somebody needs to tell him just how much damage the fan has done to JJ’s reputation and following.
He’s done it to himself, he should have kept Leon as a S&C, Shootfighters allowing Bradley Martin to call out his poor techniques.
It ain’t no coincidence he’s had all this drama and controversy around since befriending a scam artist and starting a beverage company with him. His manager is a weird dude as well.
KSI is someone who is steered easily and needs good people around him to keep him grounded.
Ksi don't have a remain with leon and viddal.
@@user-gu5yc6ev1xnah ksi is freaking good. You all can say what you want. It's your opinion. Ksi won't change for any of them
He's an undercover Jake paul fan
It's funny how these fan think they know jj more than these guys do ksi probably respects viddals opinion aswell
are you talking about the same people who are paid by JJ
@@uonecar idk what your saying im just saying everyone has opinions and when people don't agree with your opinions it's a problem
@@uonecarthey're not paid by him 😭😭
@@uonecar theyre not paid by him anymore
The delusion in some of these fans is getting out of hand and dangerous, im a ksi fan too but i totally agree with viddal's rating, i would even say it was a bit generous too
It's very generous. KSI should not have a 10 in anything, at least from what I've witnessed in his matches.
Perhaps Vidal has behind the scenes knowledge or even first-hand experience that influenced his rating, but KSI doesn't deserve a 10 in power or durability based on what I've seen from him in the ring.
@Ignornaceisntbd9nt care about it we all can agree ksi sleeps.jake liss
Yeah defo in Leon’s words “keemstar’s experiments” - others, making this thing disgusting can’t even have an opinion without either being delusional or a glazer there’s no winning lol
@@Ignornaceisntblisskey words there from you have witnessed they have seen things outisde the fights we haven’t
@leytonwalker1190 I know, but at the same time, the fact that KSI couldn't knock out an extremely skinny Mexican or even drop Tommy, and his only legit knockout was against Temper who is also quite skinny doesn't speak well for his power either.
Giving someone a 10 who couldn't knock out a walking stick man is a joke.
I’m convinced the fan is a character at this point
Has to be. I think he is just farming engagements so he can get a little twitter check every month. I don't think bro has a solid job.
@@shyguyx1219he’s been doing this for 9 months though, he may just be autistic
Honestly, one of the main reasons I left the ksi Twitter community, shit is mainly full of toxic fans that have no idea what they’re talking abt and posts every thoughts/takes in their head on Twitter like it’s extraordinary or sum
Real. Specially that AOTP Hunter guy lmao
😂 it's like they're proud of the fact that they don't know anything
Yea and don't get me wrong I'm one of the people that belive KSI is really underrated as a boxer and people don't take him as serious as he takes himself, but I've seen the Fan say he sees shades of a early Mike Tyson and in 4 years he would have a extremely competive fight with fuckin Usyk, I don't even really use Twitter anymore because it's just full of stupidity and negativity
Everyone on Twitter who ain’t an influence of some sort is mentally ill they just go there to express their insane beliefs and opinions anonymously, bunch of weirdos 😂
It's funny how KSI fans think they know him personally from their 5-second long interactions with the guy in public, and feel they could criticize others and attack their character for having different opinions on him. It's like they forgot that Viddal and Leon have both known KSI personally and trained him FOR YEARS. If anyone has a right to talk about JJ for his Boxing ability and/or his character, it is absolutely these two people, not some kid who saw JJ in a mall once and got a quick photo with him.
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Leon and viddal no longer know him. Everyone wants him for money.
@@onyijenny You’re delusional. Plain and simple.
@@OptimumCrusader okay. It's a hard truth
Facts!!! 👏
Can't wait to see viddal fight again
The fan guy and that AOTP_Hunter person are the worst thing happened to KSI. His fanbase so delusional and toxic. That hunter guy running multiple KSI fan accounts like bro get a job. What's wrong with these kids. They are crying over KSI's loss like it's their life lmao. He was emailing PBA and everything
During the pandemic, the KSI community was absolutely incredible. It was so much fun, and was an escape for those who needed it. Now, it’s full of people like “the fan” who have absolutely ruined it was toxicity and hate. It’s genuinely damaged JJ’s reputation and following.
I mean ksi won
@@user-ob4tv7pk9i u exactly who he's describing lmao
@@MTMuppeta lot of his “mature fans” from then grew up, got jobs, maybe are starting a family etc and aren’t as interactive/involved anymore. sure they might watch the fights, but they ain’t gonna be typing out comments on opposing views, or arguing shit. silent majority init.
@@user-ob4tv7pk9iNo he didn't
I'm so glad that people (creditable people) are giving GENUINE criticism to KSI's boxing. I personally think they were being nice to KSI. There is so many areas KSI could improve in.. He really needs to evolve & become more dynamic. It's weird how many people defend him
Honestly that fan kid is the worst thing that's happened to twitter, I've blocked him too.
Back before he become relevant I joined his Twitter space with 5 people in- he saw that mams follows me and literally began begging me to invite mams to the space swearing at me when I said no. Few months later I see his begging attitude rewarded getting mad opportunities and shit (but flaking on them cause he dont know what he's doing)
He gives off serial killer vibes. What’s worse is people try to make him the face of the KSI community just because Keemstar randomly gave him a platform a few months ago.
yeah he originally came from the community i’m a part of, the small creator scene.
i’d like to apologise on behalf of everyone from that community for allowing such a wetty to exist. twitter spaces breed degenerates
During the pandemic, the KSI community was absolutely incredible. It was so much fun, and was an escape for those who needed it. Now, it’s full of people like “the fan” who have absolutely ruined it was toxicity and hate. It’s genuinely damaged JJ’s reputation and following.
@@MTMuppet ksi has cultivated this fanbase. Why else do you think he sent them to harass Tommy Fury online and in person
how is leon gonna say he has a pizza gogo platinum card 💀💀💀
The fan is genuinely one of the most pathetic and saddest things the internet has seen
Shut up don’t disrespect the fan he the goat 🐐
@@FatboyReghe’s a virgin
@@FatboyRegGoat of what? Being a pedo and a creep?
jj couldn’t sleep pineda or swarmz, end of story. pineda went up like 20 pounds and swarmz never boxed in his life - where’s the criticism for that?
And Jake couldn't sleep Gib lol, just because you don't always KO your opponent doesn't diminish your power
@@lidaaletap2646 Jake Ko'ed Woodley a former ufc champion and Andre august a 10-1 pro boxer
@@lidaaletap2646Jake dropped Tommy. JJ didn’t. JJ couldn’t sleep pineda or swarmz. He knocked out Fournier with an illegal elbow. He slept a call of duty CZcamsr. He couldn’t sleep a walking Weller punching bag. His power is overrated and so is his cardio. He says he has this freakish insane levels of cardio yet he refuses to go past 6 rounds while Jake is out here doing 10.
@@ehe4474 But he couldn't sleep Gib, a CZcamsr that was doing the 🦀
Couldn't sleep Ben Askren either, or Anderson Silva, so I mean, does that mean Jake doesn't have power?
No, it just means he couldn't knockout those particular guys.
Also, Muhsin Cason has sparred them both and is unbiased, he said KSI hits harder than Jake
@@ehe4474 all went up in weight, unless ksi’s opponents 🤷♂️
Leon saying what everyone thinking about that weirdo fan kid, jj shouldn’t have enabled his behaviour either
It’s funny that ksi fans are upset about these ratings when these ratings are still bias to ksi
jake and ksi are both terrible boxers
@@robinkandra6855Jake is better than KSI but yh he's also a novice
@@MAT-wn5frthat “novice” slept a 10-1 pro on a 7 fight win streak in the first round. He’s not world class, but neither were a lot of the top star’s first pro opponents (in fact, most were significantly worse). Is Jake Paul a world title contender right now? No. Is he really good at boxing? Yes.
Viddal and Leon are in right to show critique of Jj they've been around JJ and have trained him since the start of influencer boxing and since it was established. Not only that they quite clearly have lot of knowledge when it comes to combat sports they've litteraly been around combat sports since youth they know their shit Viddal is litteraly a professional fighter himself so if anyone knows anything about combat sports in the influencer boxing community its them
Let's be real, Mams can't handle the criticism of KSI just like The Fan. The fan is nothing but a weirdo Make-A-Wish KSI charity case that people feel sorry for. He doesn't live in objective reality when it comes to KSI. He doesn't count.
The fan pissed Leon off so badly that he started singing 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Power is still weird to me. You guys say how Jake fights lighter opponents, but so did jj with Luis and swarmz who had two weeks of training and he couldn’t knock them both out cold, Alex wasabi has a better knock down against Luis than Ksi. Jake has also dropped the hardest opponent in Tyron woodley and Anderson Silva who beats everyone jj has fought
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The Ksi fan base back in 2019-2021 was elite, now it’s dogshit
it was always dogshit.
i remember them chanting logans gf chloe is a hoe.
One day jj is gonna wake up and the fan is gonna be in the corner of his room with a pen and pad rating his sleeping technique
Don't stop boys keeping it ril as always big love
this is why this is the realist channel on youtube. no smoke blowing
at all. just pure facts no matter what side
I mostly agreed, though personally I would make Durability and Stamina to be distinct measurements, as it seems they were both largely based purely on stamina which is where confusion comes from. - I think some people would see Jake as more durable a fighter, e.g., better chin, but on the other hand people may also say that KSI has better stamina because he did star jumps for 6 rounds. - So I think make them distinct stats otherwise it's just a dodgy metric
Also, I think the problem with rating power, is that there is experience you have first-hand from training KSI, and on the other hand nothing available on Jake Paul, bar what has been publicly displayed in the ring. So in this regard if you're comparing them both then I think it should be assessed strictly on what they've achieved inside of the ring on their fight night (Sparring and training excluded) - As in this regard I wouldn't rate their power more than 1 point apart. - I mean yes Jake has fought people that have been naturally lighter, but in the same vein, the opposition that Jake has fought, whilst they have been MMA fighters, they have still be used to getting clocked across the face, which I think should be accounted for as well.
Jake would have killed Temperr the same way JJ killed him and that's the only guy that KSI KO-ed clean...
Wrong.. Jake’s boxing style will struggle more with the Temperr’s wary style, southpaw jab and reach making it harder and takes longer to set up a KO like KSI did because of being wild (Jake isn’t wild like that) but risk-reward KSI has faith he can eat a punch clean to land a KO shot, also weight class, Jake would have to go down (not too much) to meet Temperr for you to equal it with the KSI fight.. not Temperr ballooning up which makes him even slower, which you don’t know how that drains affects Jake’s power till you see.. Fight Maths doesn’t work like that, you don’t know what a fight looks like till it happens, styles make fights. If you actually watch boxing or box bro you would know this🤦🏿♂️@@extraterrestrialhorse9722
@@oPeY4President Temperrr got caught by Slim and Ginty... yes styles make fights but Jake has all the tools in the shed to set it up and land it.
But my point wasn't about landing it. My point was assuming he did, it would knock the soul out of Temperrr in regards to power. Temperrr is way less durable than the guys Jake has fought despite them being "washed and undersized".
Slims is not a wild fighter like KSI and he was able to knock out temper in the second round. Yeah temper is southpaw but Jake’s has fought many southpaws himself like Anderson Silva and Nate Diaz and he did well against them. Plus I depends on the weight as well because if they were to fight at 190 then Jake would Knock him out faster the KSI. But at 180, he most likely probably wouldn’t have Knock him out as fast a KSI did because the Style Jake uses would have made him to wear him down a bit. Jake would probably KO him in a few rounds no matter the weight.
“He’s got a pizza go go platinum card” 😂😂
Jake’s power Being a 7 and jjs a 10 makes no sense cos Jake’s fights naturally ligher ppl? Same with jj even if Jake’s opponents has naturally been lighter they can take punches way more than jjs opponents
13:33 'RIL Cards' has a nice ring to it. I do appreciate the interactive nature of this content because it forces the audience to speak about boxing and getting behind their favourite boxer but not just as a fan boy but it would be a technical conversation esp. after you're breaking things down further. ❤
Bro the fan is so jarring i beyond belief seriously man twitter need to stop giving him this much recognition when he adds so little to the community
I think the idea about showing the working out mechanics on the video etc is a great idea
if u discount jake's power for knocking out lighter opponents coming up to his weight, you REALLY need to discount ksi's power cos he couldn't knock out pineda.
Jake's opponents fight him, Pineda ran for 3 rounds and was knocked down 5 times 3 of those to body shots that logic makes almost 0 sense
@@joetonello 15 people disagree with you.
He called him Jabba the hut LMAOOOO
Pizza gogo-platinum card 😭
The fan is insane. If you take him serious, you are touched as he is.
bro should be called 'The STALKER' not 'The Fan'
You two are the best when discussing the influencer boxing scene always keeping real it 🫡some of the fans can’t handle the truth 🤷🏾♂️
15:20 I love the breakdown of the numbers of the scoring, much more transparent and for laymen like myself, it would be very educational and informative
He literally does look like he hasn’t seen sunlight in a long time I agree with Leon. When he was at the misfits event he can barely open his eyes and his shoulders and hair are covered in dandruff
Love this show ❤
It's influencer Boxing, but it's Boxing.. Rightly said.
The first 3 minutes had me dying😭😭😭
While 10 year olds were watching that video on Christmas Day complaining i was spending Christmas Eve and Christmas with family like a normal family man
4:45 i agree but lee some of us been watching real boxing for years and been to multiple amature gyms ahahha. big up tho i get what your saying with the younger fans like 'the fan' who just glaze and dont know wtf they are saying
Yes this time with Leon’s perspective!
3:41 love this helpin eachother
Jake literally showed more power vs tommy, snapped his head back 90 degrees with a short hook
I think you should add range control to the card. That seems to be a massive factor when it comes to boxing.
Bro don't give the fan light😂😂
Thank you Leon! 😂😂😂
I love savage leon man 😂😂😂
You see the respect Viddal has for Leon in the way he listens to him
Amazing to see
I really fw Leons shirt
the fan is the perfect embodiment of eminem’s song STAN
Regarding power.
I say it again.
Ksi fought guys with 0 fighting experience or months of training. Guys who aren’t used to get punched in the face. He barely slept anyone.
Also these guys never did weight cuts like the professionals jake fought. Those mma guys are 200+ lbs guys during training off season then cut down to 170 being like 190 at fight night. Jake dropped and slept guys.
So based on the fights Jake surely got one or two up on ksi.
It is not hating it is being real!
Got to understand fighting to get it i guess.
1:00 jabba the hut 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leon is too quick man said he has the Pizza GoGo platinum card 💀💀💀
This is why these two are the rilist and the realest
imo in Viddal's perspective making a video like this about Jake vs Ksi is a lose lose situation either he puts Jake winning and you get backlash and called a Hater like he is getting now, or if it was the other way around you get called bias and unfair , i dont agree with some of his ratings but the outcome was what i expected, to me Jake is more complete and favourite to win a fight
Mams is similar to the fan in a way. He gets mad when people give their opinions on ksi. He tweeted after vidal made the video talking about loyalty and snakes or something.
yeah mams acts like ksi's dad who cannot accept that his son is not perfect in every way 😂
Viddal and Leon with straight facts 💯
People need to realize these rival cards truly mean nothing to how the fight actually plays out. They are just for fun because nobody knows how they will fight against eachother. Much love to yall for being real.
keemstars experiment 🤣🤣 na Leon kills me
Leon is amazing 😂 keems stars experiment, mental health, its all golden lines
When you bring up Jake fighting people naturally lower weight than him, you should also bring up Pineda being 3-4 weight classes below KSI.
Shows everything what’s wrong influencer boxing when that “the fan” got any clout at all. Guy is absolutely fucking wrongen. He should be involved in the next Ringer 2 never mind misfits ffs
13:43 Top Trumps App is a mad idea. Brother Viddal is moving differently, super impressed by his creative brain. ❤
It's pretty sad when people can't even have an opinion anymore without getting backlash
Exactly man I knew I wasn’t the only one thinking this
I’d love to see KSI’s reaction to the original video. Critics are always gonna have something to say about KSI, but when it comes from someone he probably considers a friend I’d be interested to see how he took it, well I’d imagine I’m sure there’s no hard feelings
Bro are we serious? 8:24
First thing I’m a jj fan I’ve been a fan since before sidemen but to say Jake fights guys who are light but then say jj dose not is straight bull shit
Temper, Pineda, even joe weller we’re all size wise smaller and yes before people get on my 🍆 joe was in better shape more swoll but that’s not the wait for his body type he should be smaller.
Swarms was fat and out of shape and knew nothing on how to box I’ll smoke that swarms.
Temper was already shown to have a glass chin.
Pineda did not want to even be in the ring that night it was clear he was doing it for money.
Joe Fournier was trash and that fight don’t even count cuz jj knocked it down with tbt elbow but I will says he was shit I think jj was going to get the ko regardless.
That leaves just his Paul fight and joe fight
Joe weller DID NOT THROW A FUCKING PUCH, he was all bark no bite
Logan till tommy fury was by a mile jj’s strongest competitor and Logan for how long it’s been is still shit he should be way better with that size and reach and snappy jab he could be better then jj and Jake if he had that killer mind like jj and Jake. So with that said I’ll say jj won that first fight it was not a draw the second one tho I had Logan winning till the two points taken jj was clearly out boxed that night just showed massive heart and will but if not for the two points he lose that fight
So with all that said I’ll say jj did I’m my opinion beat tommy I feel he took away jab he landed just as much a Tommy and he threw less and I think he land the more powerful and meaningful punches but I was also some who felt Jake did enough vs Tommy to get a draw tommy never had Jake hurt and Jake did score a knock down and I felt those’s rounds were closer then judges scored it. JJ did do better then Jake in that fight but that delusions to say jj’s power is better when we see who’s he fought vs jakes opponent guys who fight yes not boxing but they fight they take bangs they know what It takes to win and Jake has slept them or dropped them if you give jj a 10 Jake gets a 10 no way you can say he Hits harder based off performance an opponents. I get you have felt his power but you don’t know Jake’s you never felt it so to say that it’s biased (I’m a jj fan) but facts are facts they have to have even or jj is 1 less just do to performance. All I’m saying
The fan is the very embodiment of a stan for ksi. Like it legit worries me how obsessed he is if i was ksi i would legit be paranoid about him.
This boutta be good 😂
Leon is so funny man hahahaha
Well put out. People watch one misfits event and think they are experts lol.
Remember when “power ranger belt viddal” dissed shannan Briggs for making that sound with his mouth but viddal does it 😂
The fan and his Twitter spaces with mutuals is just a circle of pure drama and toxicity in their circle of “friends”.
You know it’s bad when Viddal has to block you too 💀
need to team up more with wade and sensei, these 4 men are the realest mother fuckers in the scene. so refreshing
My uncle Viddal typing with his middle fingers also.
😵💫❤️💪🏼
I really don’t understand how anyone can say ksi is higher rating😂 he’s fought absolutely no one and the one time he did fight someone he lost and it was a terrible fight.
Keemstar’s experiment 😂😂
I like truth and not propaganda, and this channel delivers truth and facts
Bro Ksi only knocked out temper who is skinny af and he almsot went the distance with Pineda who fights at 160 and jj couldnt hurt tommy
jake didnt really hurt tommy either and tommy weighs 20lb more than ksi, jake is same size as tommy
@@tsgrapiidz6970 watch round 3 or 5 definitely hurt tommy and tommys actually a little lighter than Jake tommy said he walks around at like 87-88kg which is like 192-195 Ksi walks around like 184-188 Jake walks around at like 198-204
@@tsgrapiidz6970jake has knocked higher level competition tho me and you have been back and forth for years now but you can’t debate and say Ksi has knocked out more higher level opponents then jake because it would be false 🤷♂️
@@devyngarcia8602 thats cap, tommy wasnt hurt at all and tommy is around same size as jake
@@tsgrapiidz6970 ok whatever makes you happy
You are allow to your opinion…. People are crazy…
I’m not agree with you but of course you Can have your opinion….
Happy new year viddal and Leon.
Triggered by "the fan" tho 😂😂😂😂
BIG MAN TING STYLL 🔥🔥🔥
KSI is also kinda to blaim. He gives the fan a lot of love
The only thing I disagreed with was jakes iq I don’t remember seeing someone in the influencer realm showing more IQ than jake
Leon came with smoke😂😂😂😂😂
I used to think the Fan was just a character but now its just sad
tbf, this type of drama is keeping influencer boxing alive. Isn't the fan just a troll
The fan getting cooked LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
KSI fans are the reason why a lot of people turn on ksi
Leon speaking facts
The fan isnt just a fan, he is the biggest most massive KSI D rider and even with KSI massive ego, he must get tired and annoyed of the fan
This is why i love watching thes mans they are more knowledgeable then me with the sport and say it how it is.
Imo JJ ruins his reputation a bit by accepting rides from people like The fan and cant take criticisms he loves getting his ass licked... Sad that thats one of the reason he can't take Wade cause Wade keeps it real
jake would be the favorite and KSI would be the underdog just like he was the underdog against logan
simple as that doesnt mean KSI doesnt have a chance
Leon violating 😂😂
The only thing I disagreed with you on was JJ being more powerful than Jake because JJ has 2 ko one with his elbow and the other being Faze temper Jake has knocked out much better people than JJ so far