My Thoughts on the Fallout TV Show
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- It's good.
Music tracks used, in order: Fallout NV - Knock on My Cazador, Fallout - World Map Theme, Fallout 2 - My Chrysalis Highwayman, Fallout 4 - Honor and Steel, Fallout NV - Beneath the Streets, Fallout 4 - Dominant Species, Fallout NV - The Viper's Sting, Fallout - Radiation Storm
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:36 Overall thoughts
1:18 Lore Issues - Shady Sands
2:58 Lore Issues - Food
3:47 Lore Issues - Ghouls
5:51 Lore Issues - Vault-Tec
6:07 Lore Issues - BOS
6:30 The NCR had to disappear
7:10 The Enclave is back... again
7:30 Please expand the universe Amazon
8:00 Scenes I disliked
8:44 Sets and props are perfect, New Vegas references
9:24 A show can outdo a game in many ways
10:02 Fallout's deeply flawed characters
11:34 Awkward scenes
12:17 People being dumb isn't a plot hole
13:57 Post-apocalyptic or post-post apocalyptic?
14:45 Outro
my pay-treon: / pancuronium - Hry
The thing about the foot 3 minutes is I think Cooper and the other Ghoul are reminiscing because as a ghoul they can’t taste the food they eat or can’t taste as well as they use to. Secondly in the prewar start of F04 Nate mentions how all the food can’t expire hence why people are still eating it 200 years later.
Plus - I mentioned it in other comments- the food can be still preserved but lose parts of its property, like taste, over time
@@apfelfreund6859 Steve1989MREInfo showcased this when he ate 200yo Hardtack from the Civil War.
@@redcell9636 He didn't actually eat it. He tried to cook it and nibbled a little but couldn't push it. Way different conservation tech though. Also, one could argue that Fallout's world was way closer to nuclear war than ours, and corporations using LONG shelf life as a marketing gimmick is kind of expected. Similar to today's "eat healthy" calling stuff "organic" or "gluten free"
@@KaijuAKD The pre war food in the wastes also tends to be irradiated, nothing kills microbes quite like radiation.
Nukacola quantum has radioactive particles in it so What if the pre war food companies used some sort of nuclear based preservative that made it all last 200 years.
I mean E-de in new Vegas literally says that there's at least one enclave base in Chicago so I think they got that covered, but if the NCR is completely wiped out I would be pissed, they had five feckin states, nuking one former capital wouldn't destroy everything
I think the characters being flawed is actually one of the best things about the show.
This is how people are and probably would be in such a catastrophy: flawed.
Too much contemporary media shys away from depicting the flawed nature of humanity and having even their main cast being imperfect. It makes them feel real.
Cardboard cut-outs and perfect protagonists just feel...bland and fake.
while you're synopsis is true; there really is no indication of this with their shift in tones to the more whacky and asinine parts of the Fallout akin to FO4 and FO76. It's hidden under the layers of "irony"
Anti-Heroes feel bland and fake.
There's being flawed, and then there's being functionally retarded. And try hard.
@@VunderGuy I'm talking about belivable characters with flaws - the imperfect nature of human beings if you will.
I do not care what a character is: hero, anti-hero, villain - as long as they are belivable.
Bland and fake is something I'd much rather describe perfect characters who are good at everything they touch with. Not being able to depict your characters as flawed and relatable is weak and communicates little trust in said character if you ask me.
this show proved that anybody who isnt emil pagliarulo can write a decent story in the fallout universe despite some weird lore choices
Lmao…
No.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 i was able to enjoy it for what it is idk
@@EplusNis4ever Fair enough, at least did its job for most people, all that really matters all things being equal.
That being said… there’s *a-lot* of problems with it, irrespective, unfortunately.
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893 i got issues with some of it, but nothing as bad as ive seen in 3 and 4 imo
Yeah, I think the only real bad thing is that 3 and 4's lore still affect the show. Even in Emil's absence, he claws his way in somehow....
The Ghoul is on an evil playthrough
Alright I did not realize that the fat guy behind Big MT was Sinclair, I expected him to be more swave...
He took the break up hard
Just being bored to se BoS being a major faction again and again like come on Bethesda can you be more creative?.
Bethesda didn't write the script and plot. why does everyone think think Todd and the BSW crew sat down and wrote the whole show like a bunch of ghost writers for Nolan. they're involved because they own the IP, the extent of their say was to not interfere with potential games down the line.
They don't even breed fml.
@@j-roc3339what
It's pretty weird Moldaver "needed" to hire raiders. She has basically command of a well equipped and trained force. Her soldiers would certainly be more capable of posing as vault dwellers in a party, than impulsive and deranged savages. Why risk anything with unreliable lunatics. Maybe I missed something, but that just seems like a dumb choice for no reason.
I think that "going loud" in the vault was inevitable given their goal was to kidnap the overseer. Maybe it was easier to hire an outside party of raiders instead of building a team of soldiers willing to kill innocent vault dwellers. I'm sure times are tough at the NCR, but I think the majority of NCR soldiers would still be against this plan.
It could have also been a move to prevent speculation within the vault after the attack. For a vault that has been entirely cut off from the surface for 2 centuries, it is probably easier to believe that raiders killed your neighboring vault and stole your overseer because bloodthirsty raiders are on the list of things Vault Tech told you to expect on the surface. If they send trained soldiers, the vault dwellers might suspect something larger is going on and everyone joins in Norm's investigation of Vault 32 and 31 - foiling some later plot.
They didn’t pose very well on account of the fact they left *the* *bodies.*
They might be decently equipped (mind you Mal only had a laser pistol in the BOS/NCR battle) but they certainly didn't have the numbers especially if Mal loses what precious men she had trying to take Hank from the vault. Also consider the BOS assault utterly stomped NCR. Why not spend the caps to hire some expendable raiders to abduct someone for you and save what little men you have to begin with.
My question is considering she was a major leader of the NCR survivors, why was she wanted by the sheriff?
@@cameronjohnson4833 Most likely because the Sheriff was trying to set up his own new government, and saw her as a threat to that.
I truly think ghouls DON’T physically need to eat, but it might be a psychological thing, a remanent from before they were immortal corpses.
I agree, but I think it's closer to something like having to at least simulate breathing if one finds themselves in a manufactured body - the human brain is hardwired to do certain actions it's own for survival
I guess food still give dopamine or they can feel it when their stumach is empty
I hope we get to see more of the Enclave next season. I'd specifically like to see their power armor designs reimagined in the Fallout 4 style. If they look anything like what the Fallout 4 modding community has already come up with we'd be in good shape.
fallout 76 already has X02 and X03 power armor in it. considering those are the most canonical inclusions of those armors in recent times, (not counting the creation club content) they'll probably use those if they ever do. they're not canonical to the timeline as they're atom shop inclusions, but still an official rendition of classic armor.
I was watching this with a friend and multiple times we would say something like "x thing in this show is ridiculous and dumb, but it's exactly like that in the games too so it actually makes sense/works here/is excusable"
What's your opinion on the Thaddeus was actually exposed to fev theory?
Thad as a massive Super Mutant in season 2 would be a lot more fun than being a ghoul thats for sure.
@@a.vasquez771 It would be funnier if he appeared once a season, showing his slow progression, and turning him completely into a ghoul/supermutant by the last season.
In the Vaults they synthesize food. It's almost magic. Just like Dead Money vending machines.
Honestly probably the most reasonable video I've seen about the show so far. I'm not going to deny the show has real problems, but ironically I barely see people talk about them. Most of the complaining seems to come from either people who seemingly see the franchise as just a series of wiki entries (and that believe that anything that contradicts said wiki entries is blasphemy) or people who for some reason believe that a character not being 100% logical all the time is bad writing. If we're being honest I think a lot of people went into this already deciding they hated it because new fallout bad old fallout good
It's funny that you say that them adding NV stuff is proof that Bethesda never actually hated Obsidian because now the NV purist narrative shifted to "Bethesda is using stuff from the west coast because they want to erase old Fallout" (yes this is a thing grown ass people actually believe)
I actually liked a lot of the ridiculous situations end up finding themselves in because, imo, a lot of the time it reminds me of the bullshit you can end up running into when playing Fallout yourself.
I think my biggest problem with the show is the overreliance on pre-war characters. I dont mind pre-war organizations like the Enclave or even Vault Tec (to be honest, I expect them to reveal the "Vault Tec" in the show is working for/IS the Enclave, which I guess would make sense) still being around because I think the idea of their ideologies being passed down for generations is interesting, but using too many pre-war characters kind of ruins it.
I think i read all of the comments under this vid and noticed that all of these people that call the show bad, specifically they call bad its writing and retcons, never actually explain why do they think the writing is bad and what are the retcons
09:09 I don't agree with that narrative either, but Graham Wagner already expressed his view of what fallout should feel like and I don't think that towns like Goodsprings, Primm, Novac and Jacobstown fit in it all that well, not unless they look like Filly. And if they don't, they either gotta be ignored, like Boneyard was, or destroyed, like Shady Sands was. I've already accepted the fact that New Vegas strip will be reduced to ruins. That said, I am still hopeful of being proven wrong.
for the turrets, if they have a scene in the enclave, i'd have them mention how they need to de-tune the turrets to keep them from accidentally murking the guards cause someone forgot to flip a lever
I think peoples complaints about the brotherhood constatnly changing could actually add even more to their faction, depending on how you look at it. Rather than looking at it as the lore being inconsistent between games, look at it as the story of a group that originally started off with good intentions and a strict code to be followed, but overtime slowly lost sight of their original goals, and drifted in different directions under different leaders.
A commenter in some old CZcams video compared the Brotherhood to the various denominations of Christianity: They all have an overall shared goal, but often have differing methods and ideals to achieve those goals
We've already had a variety of different brotherhood chapters between FO1 to FO4. I'm more surprised that a vocal minority of people have been prissy about the show's interpretations on their Brotherhood chapter
those animations on the guns are great. you should make a mod guide for that in one of those upcoming nv videos
Never stop making vids 💞
I dont think Vault tech dropped the bombs
Yeah I don't think they actually did either, the show never even confirms they did just that they were willing to. (which is the real point Coop had to learn that VT are evil)
@@a.vasquez771 I mean its strange that the daughter of one of the top VT executives was right next to the bombing.
One thing the developers have said is that the NCR is still alive, maybe not in los angeles, probably in nothern california. But still they muddied the lore a bit to the point ot got more confusing
And adding a bit more. Sorry i disagree with you take about the NCR. And it kinda shows they didnt need to make the show take place jn california. Hell they didnt even film the show there
Yeah I def agree the NCR has basically all but abandoned LA after Shady got nuked. My thoughts they overextended in NV and paid the price and lost a ton of territory down south.
This is the best video I’ve seen about the show so far. Good work!
High context language use, despite how rare and cool it is, worlds like fall the context given will cause alarm, but context is something to pay attention to and indeed, it is a fall from grace before a new industrial boom, as we can see a fully functional sosiaty, something that would make Vault-Tec nerves and act accordingly to remove what they deem as unfortunate undesirables.
Im still sad about the maximus ending 😢
your take is my take, pretty close. for me the show is Fallout, but not for the core-audience, like most TV and Movies its made for "the masses" the "intended audience". There in lies the problem. Instead of a diatribe of exposition, they did the opposite. They added in confusing contradictory lore points and all people who are fangirling so hard over the show just say its "New Vegas Fan Copium"
Shady Sands isn’t the capital of the NCR in New Vegas. It’s referred to as the FIRST capital, not the current.
If you look at it as a standalone thing the fallout show is perfect. But the show is pretty good even with some of the messy stuff.
Tbf: food, even well preserved one, will lose taste (usually) over time. Thats why there is "best used before" date. Its kot the date it will begin to rotten but begin to lose it's properties (taste, structure, color etc)
So it makes sense that blamco cheese dod taste better in the past but is still available
I thought it was explained in the show that ghouls couldn’t smell as good.
Make video on more spawn enemies mods
SKK Combat stalkers and PANPC extra spawns
Done 😂
Yep, anything I know of besides those two will cause save bloat and crashing.
@@denomizotakh PanPc doesn't spawn extra animal insect creatures
@@vikirocks7648 i think it spawns deathclaws and ferals
“I made it quickly” casually posted this 20 days after it was released.
Make longer videos PAPA!
I quite like the brotherhood but i understand that they are being overused
Getting rid of the ncr so they could have a barron waste land really pissed me off like the war was more then 200 years ago it doesn't make sense that no nation states are around i am very salty other wise i enjoyed the tv show
The NCR are not gone buddy but army's/countries lose land sometimes it happens, look at the Roman empire etc.
one of the last channels i thought would shill for this garbage tv show
Oh come on dude grow up he has high agility stat
8:37 idk man he looked good to me and he doesn't look like an ig filter like other shows and movies
i like your video mostly but you clearly don't understand the Enclave
I'd hoped your take would be balanced and normal. The show is mid-at-best, leaning more towards subpar than fair. This typed, Goggins elevated the series significantly. The BOS storyline was abysmal (it's not the actor's fault - most of the actors did a nice job). It's the writing and execution. It's not terrible, but that's a low bar (or should be). You're focusing on things that don't matter.
whats wrong with brotherhoods writing?
It was ok didn’t like the retconning of the west coast the millennial writing or the loss of ambiguity the Great War had though
I found the plastic and glossy look to everything offputting. It's the same issue I have with Marvel movies and Modern Star Wars.
It felt like it was basically two steps away from a fallout cringey baby yoda equivalent side kick character. The props and music were good though.
For me the series died after 76, this show was also ass. I’m more excited about fan mods at this point than anything coming from Bethesda
No it was not.
I don't like it personally, Bethesda has ADHD and can't decide what it wants to do with Fallout and it shows in the series. It gets to a point where I don't even feel like I'm watching a fallout show but a collection of shows that share similar themes.
I've seen Bethesda products described as "theme parks" and I can't agree more. In Starfield this is more obvious because a single loading screen can be the difference between a Cyberpunk rip off or a Red Dead Redemption rip off. It seriously feels like whatever the writer was watching or playing that day has more impact on the product than idk... a design document?
The T-60 is an iron man suit now because someone on the staff really likes marvel. Shady sands is forced into the story for the same reason the ranger armour is in 76, so that the purist Obsidian fans look up from their glasses. You can call this speculation sure but that's all I'm thinking about while I'm watching the show because the plot doesn't give me a good enough reason to think otherwise.
I like the way it's been filmed, it's pretty and the CGI isn't too bad. The pre-war footage has this prismatic gritty look that mimics the way projectors and tube televisions in the series display colour images.
Also the biggest sin the show does is the thematic shift from "War Never Changes" to something about social commentary of CURRENT YEAR about classism and some other neo-globalist or neo-marxist crap. When the actual theme of the show is meant to represent the cyclical and fickle nature of humanity to constantly be at war with itself the sub-plot of ideologies and factions are supposed to support it, not supplant it.
yeah you're right the games never said or implied anything bad about megacorporations or corruption or anything. vault tec were always heroes. you're very smart
@@misakayy1911
Learn how to read before you make a strawman argument.
I said those themes are meant to be supporting themes to the over all message, not that they weren't there. The main focus was the "War Never Changes" aspect; the subplot and components that build the foundation.
Some people went into this wanting to hate it like was gonna be like Halo or Witcher
i mean it was bad, but not that bad
Found one.
I think them choosing to set the show in California and mess with the lore that diehard fans love was the biggest sin of this show.
If this were set in like Chicago or Seattle or something, then I think people wouldn't have as big of a problem with it as they do because it wouldn't be trampling over the existing lore AND would expand the universe at the same time.
Chicago would especially be interesting as it would allow for a proper Enclave plot seeing as there is supposed to be some major Enclave force in or around Chicago. It would honestly just line up a lot better if they wanted to do another Enclave vs Brotherhood plot (which I guess is what Fallout is now).
I would also like to add that I actually don't like this show because it meddles with the existing lore way too much for me to be comfortable with. Honestly this show felt like someone made a Fallout parody to me with how characters behaved and stuff. I can't get over how dumb Maximus is, that will always infuriate me.
@@titanicandthomasfan0559nah man you don't get it, Maximus is supposed to be dumb, don't be a NV fan boy, nevermind how him being dumb and constantly winning somehow undermines the brotherhoods basic intelligence and common sense, it's actually really nuanced
Worst part: the brotherhood doesn't say "ad victorium"
Haven’t watched the video yet but based of a few comments I am bracing for a… overall positive video, which idk for certain but it baffles my mind that anyone had any praise to give to this show
The writing alone is on lethal levels of cringe and horrendously bad within the first few minutes and it only goes downhill from there not to mention literally everything else
Well, he tried to polish the turd.
Keep crying fanboy
Felt like the weakest parts of the show were the not Fallout parts like characters, themes, etc. None of them were bad but way weaker than the setting, lore and tone. Especially the family angle when we have very little investment into any family member minus norm
Also gotta disagree with nailing the humor, there were a handful of times where they missed and seemed more "marvel movie" lines like when Lucy is leaving the vault and those two guys basically go "Uhh so that happened" to end the joke.
Its hard for me to take the most vocal complaints for this show seriously when it often boils down to being mad somethung they like wasnt used in the show, or because characters and stories weren 100% "rational"
I feel like im one of the only fallout fans who meant it when we said we wanted bethesda to not reuse everything from the old games all the time. Even as someone who prefers fallout to have stories about trying to move forward past "the end" stuff like nuking shady sands isnt against fallout's story telling
It honestly feels like something black isle would have considered doing, espeacily with your interpretation of humanity constantly falling into the same pitfalls. If the show went that route it would honestly be the most faithful to that games ideas than anything we've seen since
In before someone points out the guy who wrote the fallout bible didnt like the show
Because clearly one guy's perspective matters more than everything else around the thing they worked on
In fact it IS something they considered doing. Part of Van Buren would have involved nukes dropping on the NCR, and it's also something that Avellone (I think it was Avellone anyway) had considered because IIRC he felt the setting had become too advanced (which funnily enough is something that obsidian purists accuse bethesda of doing)
This TV show is good that feels like an extension of Fallout, but without any bugs, and fun writing and some minor inconsistences like every game. Its perfect
2277 was the year the NCR first meet the Legion and the First Battle of Hoover Dam happened. Hell I can go into way more detail in explaining why the fall starting in 2277 makes more sense than people give it credit.
Edit: thank you for putting into words why I hate Maulers review of the show and the haters.
I wrote it off in the first 10 mins 🤷♂️
What an immature attitude to have lmao
Very disappointed in this video. This show is a perfect example of the problem with the Bethesda Fallouts - the Flanderization of Fallout. Fallout is no longer about the idea that "war never changes", which has now become a totally meaningless phrase. The overarching theme of Fallout is the ever-presence of war and conflict in human society. A slate wiped clean for humans to *begin again*, but they just get right back to killing each other.
But Bethesda doesn't care about this at all. Fallout for Bethesda is about marketable keywords - 50s music, vaults, power armor. That's all the show is. New Vegas represented a real evolution of the Fallout world in keeping with Fallout's theme - factions that once dominated the world (like the US government) - the Enclave, the Brotherhood, even the Khans - are either finished or on their last legs, while new factions like the NCR and the Legion have appeared and are again ripping each other apart. Arguably the Legion is much newer than the NCR and represents the third wave of post apocalyptic society. The show SHOULD have been about the decline and fall of the NCR (imagine a scenario where the Legion defeats the NCR at Hoover Dam and the show is about the Legion invasion of California!) but no, we get the Brotherhood and Enclave yet again, factions which are long finished in the lore (Bethesda's Fallouts should not be canon). Because that's what's marketable.
Anyway, this show is the final nail in Fallout's coffin for me, seeing as it is set on the West Coast and is "officially" canon, we will never see any genuine continuation to the Fallout story or where New Vegas left off. The NCR is gone and the Brotherhood is back again, we've been brought right back to 2161.
All that yappin and for what, dont let the door hit you on the way out. But we all know youre gonna watch season 2 lmao
@@SGTMasterBean I didn't watch the show. I'm done with Fallout anyway.
Man it's a shame that the older fans of Fallout didn't really seem to like it as much as we did. I actually loved it the whole way through.
All the references were awesome. Every time something even remotely recognizable showed up I about lost it.
You can hear in interviews and such that the actors and actresses that they actually have played and loved the games. The actress for Lucy played Fallout because she wanted to respect the source material and I honestly really admire that.
The only thing that I didn't like about the show was the sex scenes/jokes (very uncomfortable for me) and the fate of shady sands.
And maybe they could've buffed power armor to not fall over so easily, but you could explain that away by Maximus being only an aspirant.
Absolutely loved the rest though.
And that final scene showing New Vegas? Actually jumped up in my seat in excitement. Pretty sad to hear that it was so disappointing to so many
yeah all of the sexual stuff was pretty unnecessary, especially considering how many people used the show to introduce their family members to Fallout. The only good takeaway from it was Maximus not knowing how it works imo. Either he's rocking a serious low intelligence build or the Brotherhood of Steel doesn't give their members "the talk" until they are knights, both are hilarious to me.
Daaaam, even you were bought by amazon
Damn someone disagrees with me so they must be bought.
You’re retarded
Mentally not all there are ya
@@a.vasquez771 That's how this world works(
bro is desperately trying hard to avoid getting disliked bombed by bethesda fan boys
It does everything well except the script. That is one of the worst scripts i've ever seen. Props to the actors, they made the show.
Butchering the lore and overemphasizing the 50s aesthetics….. ehhhhhh
@@kennethnorth7018 1:1 adaptations don't work. If you want it to work on film then you have to make changes.
Agree on the actors being great. Honestly the casting was so good it could almost singlehandedly justify the shows existence for me. Kinda like The Witcher and Henry Cavil as Geralt
@@kennethnorth7018 How did it overemphasize the 50s aethestics, can you explain?
This show is trash and literally worse than anything Emil and Todd made dude.
this could’ve gone two very different ways and thank god you were rational. there have been so many dogshit reactionary takes for whats a solid bideo game show. people forget it could’ve been like the halo show!!
it's almost as bad the halo show, the acting and set pieces carry it away from being burning garbage to just slop
@@jaek__ this guys a gamer
@@rileymaas1068 this guy thinks the fallout show is solid, when its really a solid piece of a shit compared to the liquid diarrhea that is the halo show
@@jaek__ john fortnite
@@rileymaas1068 the guy i am responding to is a rapist
Its not good.
Why? It's not perfect, it's not bad, therefor good, at least in my book
Some people don't like it just to not like it. It's objectively a good show.
Ty 🙏
Yep
Actually, it's very good!
Another cope and shill video for Fallout? I'm disappointed, Pancuronium. I thought you would how shitty the writting this show has and how they shit on the lore of Fallout games.
reacting like this over someone liking a show you dont is mental illness
@@misakayy1911 new vegas fanboys are mentally ill so you aint wrong
I hope this video is bait
Only if you cannot form your own opinion
Lost another one to the Sweet Baby Inc/Black Rock slop machine. It makes it all more on the nose that Pancuronium is using AI text to speech.
We must free Todd Howard from Larry Fink's fabricated hueman trafiking black-mailing scheme, so that when TES6 drops, in game, we won't see Nord men with Redguard women in relationships together or something more extreme and worse like an Altmeri woman and Imperial man. There is no vault tec logo on the Megaton bomb, it is a manufactured mandela effect made by Amazon bots on social media.
The show is ass and breaks lore.