The Winter War: A Soviet Failure
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In the midst of WWII, Stalin decided to invade the small nation of Finland. It did not go the way he wanted it to. This is the story of the quagmire of 1939 that often isn't talked about between the Fins and the Russians.
Music:
Russian Slapstick by Hakan Erikson
Dramatic Orchestral Strings by Gavin Luke
Winds of Winter by Yi Natiro
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KnowledgeHub can you make dank memes
KnowledgeHub what if all Spanish's speaking countries united today
What if fin land won this war?
What happens if I like the video but don''t leave a comment?
Finland did not surrender. Finland and soviet union made moskow peace treaty! If finland had surrendered soviets would invade the whole finland as it was their ultimate goal. You know what surrender means? If you make these kind of videos please make sure you get the facts right.
Russia: **invades Finland**
Finland:hipity hopity get off my property
Yeah after painting it with Soviet blood
@Devilikg Jesus, I have never seen a more retarded comment.
hipity hopity
They lost 11% of their most valuable territory, nickel in Petsamo. They got a crisis manager Zhdanov that prosecuted their politicians and a tank division and 100,000 soldiers next to Helsinki.
@Devilikg well for evry Finn that died at least 6 Russians died
Eeeei perse 😂
So you're saying that one guy, got 0.44% of the kills in that war. That's nuts.
Firebird one person got more. Enola Gay.
With one trigger . An entire city fell.
Enola Gay wasn't a person it was a plane lmao
HeyImSwitzerland wasn’t really one person it was a crew
Peter Alves 1. Enola gay was a bomber plane.
2. It was a crew, not a one guy
Miro Salmivaara r/woooooosh
“Patrick! Are you okay?”
“FINLAND!!!”
"Soviet! Are you ok?"
"FINLAND!!!"
Youre still a spectator switzerland
@@1tems na we are the bank of the world xD
I've understood that joke
Patrick has finland flashbacks
Out of all the countries that USSR bordered in Europe at the start of WWII, Finland was the only one that did not become part of the eastern bloc. Respect
LindsayLohansBox You know that the soviets controlled finnish politics up until their collapse in 1991.
what about Turkey
@@levvy3006 he said Europe... China is not in Europe
There's nor way that can possibly be true.
@Simo Seitti then God said to the finns: "look, just say yes to the soviets every time they come asking for something" and so they did and they survived another war, and 50 years of cold war.
Now I imagine a ski-riding Finn shooting a machine gun.
Hilarious
Shooting the ice underneath an entire division XD
MLG SKI-RIDING FINN
Dominic Perez Finland OP! New META confirmed.
A man shooting a machine gun sounds like Rambo, with skis, you have a finn Rambo.
Finland, the Vietnam of Europe
I have to wait 90 days to change my name, right because the USA had more casualties than them.
(Whoever didn't get the sarcasm, leave)
*THEY'RE IN THE TREES*
I didn't know vietnam lasted 2 months.
I like your name.
you did watched the end of this video and knew they lost right?
Knowledgehub - "Finns were trained from a young age to...."
Me - "Kill Russians?"
Knowledgehub - "ski"
Me - "Oh, of course"
Tough soldiers
Our two wars against the Russians did manage to instill a deep distrust and dislike in our whole nation towards them.
I can't deny that. My grandparents all fought in the war and they all told me when I was just a boy: "Never trust a Russian."
While I personally have no negative experiences with Russians, I can't deny that I still hear my grandparents' words...
Finnish kids were never taught to hate Russian *people*, only their asshole governments and leaders.
What if they were taught skiing from a young age to prepare a war with russia 🤔
@@yub2.045 There were other useful applications for it apart from killing commies.
They basically out-wintered the Soviets with snipers and skis
The Finns were out-Vyborged in the end and all well that ends well.
@@slavashishkin3313 yes, it ended for many soviets, not well though, thanks to Stalin's miscalculation of thinking taking all of Finland would be easy.
@@bige1106 Humanum errare est.
@@slavashishkin3313 Perkele
*farmers
A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 1939 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill:
"One Finnish soldier is better than ten Russian".
The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence.
The voice once again calls out: "One Finn is better than one hundred Russian."
Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence.
The calm Finnish voice calls out again: "One Finn is better than one thousand Russians".
The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill.
Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought...
Then silence.
Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander,
"Don't send any more men...it's a trap. There's two of them."
Best.. Comment.. EVER
Mr. Dwa you are the best!
Its funny XD
Did they finnish them off though?
Mr. Dwa good one
lol
All I can say is that I was lagging the whole match.
Joseph Stalin Da Papa Stalin, when you werent lagging.You managed to fuck the finish Finnish army.
Dimentio The Paper Book Worm Joker Get enough land to bury their dead*
? Gulag for you blyat
KILLEKIRAHVI Silence you capitalist dog
Ay blyat Soviet internet is about as good as fart in space suit cyka
It's funny how in all ww2 documentaries they say "russians greatest ally... winter" and look what happened here😂
@ You missed the joke completely. smh
@ remember Napoleon?
That awkward guy from the movie?
@@moldovamapper5644 а ты?
@ i am not russian
Side note about Molotov Cocktail, it was called that because the Russians were dropping bombs on Finland claiming they were food (Molotov's Bread Baskets). The Molotov Cocktail was just a drink to go with the food.
@Fubasta - I hadn't known that; thanks for the interesting side note!
Wow even I didn't know that and I'm a Finn.
I am the 100th like. Worship me as if I were Simo Häyhä.
Neigh Slayer
Worship me as if I am you
thats typical smart ass sarcastic Finnish humor, and now to this day everyone one knows what a Molotov cocktail is due to it being named by the FInns, damn Im proud to be a FInn, Perkele!
Finland was the original Vietnam.
'Before it was cool'
I'm so finnished with you
Nikke 2800 except the attackers got royally fucked in the ass, the US didn’t, we abandoned Vietnam we didn’t exactly lose, they achieved there goal of getting us out but at a heavy cost, they lost 1.5 million, we lost 50 thousand. So I’m a way we won and kinda lost but so did they
What exactly did the U.S win in Vietnam? Burning millions of innocent civilians to death?
ShadowGamer Vietnam had normal soilders and bad generals
You forgot something Cody,
The Finns eventually allied with the Nazis, BECAUSE they wanted to attack the Soviet Union in return. So not only did Stalin, fail at protecting Stalingrad through the Winter War, he also MADE the Finns allied to the Nazis, the very thing he tried to defend against. Thanks, Stalin
EDIT: Leningrad, not Stalingrad. I fucked up on that one.
EDIT 2: This comment’s replies are a shitshow, in part because of some of my replies to others. Sorry for any brash replies I made to any of you.
Timur Arslanov no, when Hitler declared war on Soviets he said they'd attack from the Barents Sea to the Black Sea. Stalin assumed Finland and Germany were allies and attacked to Finland
Finland was already allied with Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany traded and got precious metals and other essential stuff from Finland
megin na military alliance is a whole different story though. That's just trade
megin na they were not allied at all. The closest the finnish had as allies were the Swedish. ( the gave about 1/3 of their military supplies they had). But the swedish military was close to nonexistant at that time so that was not much.
Finland never allied with the nazis. Finland was co-belligerent with Germany. Finland remained as an independent democracy through the war. Finland also kept its army outside the German command structure even thought German attempts to tie them more tightly together.
It's actually quite surprising that the Russians wouldn't know how to fight a winter war. They basically traveled a few miles away from home.
Actually Stalin used many ukrainian divisions against Finland. And as we all know, Ukraine terrain is very different from Finland. So they were actually really far away from their home and finnish winter surprised them.
King Of Finland plus Ukrainians were also invaded by Russia so i imagine their morale was terrible when invading Finland and fighting for their enemy.
PointlessVids not really during the Russian civil war Ukraine declared independence before the Russians invaded them and re-annexed them
Stalin was afraid that Russian soldiers would fraternize with the Finns and sent soldiers from southern Soviet states instead.
That's exactly what I have always thought!
I know they were the "bad guys" here but man, I feel bad for the Soviets. Imagine being assagined to a dumbass officer that just sends you and the other soldiers to certain death like he was playing Age of Empires soldiers instead of real ones :/
that was must have been pure hell for soviets, underclothed in -40 celsius pitch black foreign finnish forests where finns are creeping around the woods, run back goverment kills you, attack finns kill you desert and the freezing temperatures kill you
As a finn, all that makes me horrified. Those soviet soldiers had just no choice. Their options were these:
-get shot by a finn
-get shot by a russian government
-freeze to death
War is hell, hell on earth no other way to put it, ask anyone that truly experienced it.
The point where your life means nothing because you are just cannon fodder for a person that doesn't really know what he is doing because even your superior's superiors don't really know what they are doing.
thats pretty much the western frontlines during ww1
Yeah the soviet soldiers themselves weren't all badguys.
Well it's safe to say, the soviets in this case were Finnished.
Mountain_Seeker 16 please fuck off. Finland is a shit country and always were. Soviets were not finished, on the opposite hand, having conquered land around St. Petersburg they managed to not loose ww2. People like you are the reason our world is held behind
sounds like somebodys russian
Then why is his name bitch lesanga
bitch lasagna vatnik
bitch lasagna calm down dude. Also finland is in the top 10 best countries to live in.
I traveled to Finland last year and visited the Military history museum on Suomelina. Never imagined it had such a badass military background, it was very cool ( no pun intended).
Vinicius RDLP suomenlinna*
Its one of the best possible places for a summer picnic. The scenery is awesome and good ferry connection to the harbor makes it a very popular place to visit! 😃👍
I wonder how it looked like 🤔
Finland lost 11% of their territory but the ussr lost 100% of its ego
Gaymer
I can't wait to start a gayming chanell
No,Ussr just lost 45-50%
"So did you win?"
Soveit Union: well yes but actually no
Well, we got Rokossowski bac
@@tyvamakes5226 126,875-167,976 missing or dead.......sweet victory.....
The USSR's goal was to conquer the whole country and the entire war was supposed to last a few months.
Well, at least it looked good on paper.
It's like the Vietnam War and USA
@@yub2.045 Ironic considering Lauri Torni Served in the winter war and dominated in the vietnam war as well
The White Death was a true badass. He was only stopped when he was finally shot in the head by an anti-tank rifle. An oversized rifle designed to shoot holes in armored vehicles. Not even this killed him, he eventually recovered but only after Finland had surrendered.
Pit Friend i believe simo died in 2004 in finland i was born in 2004 in finland
Akseli p *reincarnation*
Holy shit...
Almost everything here is incorrect.
Akseli p Häyhä died in 2002.
Pit Friend agreed to peace* we did not surrender
Tried to take Finland to stop a German invasion, failed and pissed of the Fins so much they allowed a German invasion.
And defeated them both nonetheless
What does it matter, the ruskies lost many brave soldiers due to the incompetence of "leadership." The Soviet Union should've been defeated in the name of humanity.
I'd say the U.S.S.R. lost the most in the Winter War. They lost the most people, equipment, respectability, morale etc.
Not just the Winter War, but the Continuation War as well. Although the the Soviets prevailed victorious, they practically lost. As Roland suggests.
Hell, even the signal corps of the Estonian military got some kills on soviet troops during the "non-aggressive" takeover of Estonia, a rear echelon Signal Corp got more kills than a soviet squad in unit-to-unit combat between the two, gotta love the finns and their southern cousins.
In Soviet Russia, foreigners died from cold
But in Father Finland, Russians died from the cold
if they died from cold finnland wouldnt surrendered
@ Finland Never surrendered, surrendering is different from peace treaties.
And in Mother-Russia you go to gulag
@The Russian sobaka Like the video stated the Soviet army that was tasked with taking Finland was led by inexperienced and incompetent leaders who underestimated their enemy. Also the troops, and possibly their leaders as well, were from Ukraine and weren't used to fighting in the northern winter
@@exantiuse497 Thank you sir.
Russia: "We've got the largest army in the world!"
Finland: *We have a winter*
Russia: "Wait, that's my line!"
Lol
Russian quote about the end of the winter war, we only gained enough land from the war to bury our dead
here's a Finnish quote about Soviet casualties at the end of the winter war: wolves will eat well this year.
Simo Häyhä killed over 500 soviet soldiers, not just 250 :D
Sources > Simo Häyhä lol
Plazmica 032 Sources: His own diary.
Thats combining his sniping skills and using his submachingun
He said 250 at that battle I think 500 was the total sniper kills
505 with his Mosin Nagant, and 200 with his machine gun
Not only it was pointless, it actually pushed the Finns to do what Stalin was paranoid about. If Soviets wouldn't have invaded Finland, chances are Finland wouldn't have started the Continuation War to get revenge.
Indeed, was talking to dude who was favorist of Soviet union, that Soviets did was idiotic, and was disaster
...and a million civilians starve during the Siege of Leningrad, a direct result of the USSR's Winter War failure.
And of course Russia learned from those mistake to never repeat it ever again
... right ?
Some say Finland won.
Some say the Soviets won.
Me. I say there was no winner. A bunch of people died, and the two sides compromised. The Soviets got a little bit of land, and Finland retained its independence.
A man of culture
thats a good summary.
@_Daixchi They were so "victorious" that they had to give up 11% of their territory
@ свет луны 11% as opposed to 100% like the countries that accepted Stalin's "deal" (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)? Sounds like a win in comparison
@_Daixchi all because of Stalin's dumbass to purge his competent generals
Fun fact. It didn't make winter war pointless in long term, but also made Finns ally Germany, in order to conquer their lands back . This allowed Axis huge eastern front when attacking Soviets.
Jester sooo just messed them up
Finland did not surrender, only a peace treaty was signed. Disappointing to have such a huge flaw in a video as good as this...
Losing isn't the same thing as surrender.
U.S. lost the Vietnam war but they did not surrender to North-Vietnam.
Last time i checked we are finns not russians.
Tapani Löfving yes it is are you stupid ir what?!
Tapani Löfving Finland did surrender agaisnt the Soviets two Times during ww2 and the winter war.
The important thing was not really whether we lost/surrendered, but whether we could stay independent, i.e. not have to go the horrible way of the Baltic States and the countries of Eastern Europe.
You could say that the result was as good as it could be for Finland, given that we were not allowed to stay out of the war by the Soviet Union. If we had not been attacked by the SU in 1939, my guess is that we would have never enetered the II WW or at least tried our best not to.
Winter war joke:
Finnish boi: hey stalin wanna hear a joke?
Stalin: yeah sure bruv
Finnish boi: Helsinki
Stalin: I don't get it...
Finnish boi: AND YOU NEVER WILL!
@Kristof Guyton-Day thanks! Sorry for responding late.
@ademola marmodnda *Press X to doubt*
@ademola marmodnda I did not see the today. My bad
ademola marmodnda Finland was not as strong as the user and how did that turn out for Russia.
ademola marmodnda you say Russia would win on war. Yet your watching a video were the Soviet Union gets annikated
A lot of people think that Finland surrendered, but really they BOTH signed a piece treaty, both sides were in a stalemate. Plus it was also the idea to invade the whole of Finland, and that didn't happen
@Вук Тодић Finland: You can win but it'll cost ya your dignity.
The Soviet Union never set itself the goal of capturing all of Finland.
The Soviet Union got everything it wanted from Finland in 1940 and 1944.
@@user-tq3ki1lp8u But did they actually? They lost over 100k soldiers for the small land around the edge. Their objective might have been fulfilled, but that was clearly a soviet loss overall.
@@user-tq3ki1lp8u BS.
Stalin tried to conquer ALL of Finland. He failed - twice (+ Lenin failed 1st time in 1918) - or thrice, if one includes also "the years of danger" 1944-1948, when the soviets tried to create a communist coup in Finland with the help of the Finnish commies.
@@timoterava7108 Absolute idiocy.
If Stalin wanted to seize Finland, he would have done so immediately after the breakthrough of the Mannerheim Line.
Stalin completed all the tasks that were assigned to him. Finland has failed in its attempt to restrain Karelia.
In 1918 the communists planned to carry out communist revolutions ALL OVER THE WORLD.
And the communists in their own states had to do it. (German communists in Germany, Finnish communists in Finland, American communists in the USA, etc.)
Read about the concept of the World Revolution.
Therefore Finland is not unique.
Bolsheviks planned to help the communist governments of other states, but in 1918 they could not do this because they were waging the Civil War and the war with the invaders from the Entente.
In fact, during the first two Russian-Finnish wars, Russia defended itself from the aggression of Finland. When Mannerheim was planning to seize Petrograd.
Of course, the Bolsheviks planned to carry out a communist revolution in Finland in case of victory. But does this cancel out the fact that it was Finland in the beginning that was the aggressor?
Lauri Torni, or Larry Thorne as he came to be known in the U.S, fought in the Finnish army in the Winter War, then joined the German army to continue fighting the Soviets, eventually surrendered to the allies and would later escape from a British P.O.W camp. Now a fugitive, he hired on to a Swedish cargo ship headed for the United States. When the ship was in the Gulf of Mexico near Mobile, Alabama, he jumped overboard and swam ashore. In 1954 he joined the U.S. army, served in the special forces, and in 1965 was killed while serving in Vietnam.
James George Damn that sucks that he literally fought 2 wars in which the Socialists won😂. Guy couldn’t catch a break.😂
James George
I am proud to have the same first name.
A soldier of three armies.
Finland isn't that small in size, but yeah it is compared to the USSR
isn't*
It's not the size Even germany won russia even tough it is a lot smaller but it is the manpower and technology/equipment but the size doesn't mean much in the war Finland won Because of the preparation and
The winter
SanFranFan30 Because of the distortion in maps that appears closer to the poles, (pun not intended) Finland appears quite large. In fact it is smaller than almost any US state. For example, Finland is about 340 000 square kilometers, while California is about 420 000 sq Km.
This Daily Mail article explains it quite well:
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3894600/The-map-shows-world-REALLY-looks-like-Japanese-design-flattens-Earth-big-landmasses-oceans-really-are.html
"The map suggests that Scandinavian countries are larger than India, whereas in reality India is three times the size of all Scandinavian countries put together."
Anyway, an interesting piece of trivia I heard, which I cant verify right now, is that in post WW2 times, the Soviet Union was 99 times bigger than Finland. Whether it was propaganda or a realistic estimate, I cannot say.
Well Finland has 5.5 million people nowadays and is 114. most populated country out of 195 countries. So we are pretty small. By area we are surprisingly big. 65. out of 196. We were bigger than West Germany before they unified and now Germany is only slightly bigger. We are larger than Vietnam,Malaysia,Norway,Ivory Coast,Poland,Oman,Italy,Ecuador,Burkina Faso,New Zealand,Gabon,Guinea,UK etc
Bhaalspawn84 "The bigger they are, the harder we hit." :-D
2:42 Fun Fact: They were named "Molotov Cocktails" because he said that the bombers brought the Fins brought them bread. The Fins were then joking that if the bombs were bread, the Molotov Cocktails were the wine served to it
Sweden: Haha Finland, you'll never be able to take on the Soviets!
Finland: *W A N N A B E T*
Jesus Christ 1.5k likes
And they lost a bet along with Karelia : D : D
what?
You have some reading impediment or what ? They had a bet with Sweden they would take on soviets and lost along with Karelia, whats hard to understand there ? : D
oh, sorry
I'm sorry, the finns didn't lose officially.
it was a peace that can be considered a soviet victory.
seriously, finland DID take on the soviets well.
One does not simply: Invade Finland during winter!
He didn't mention that winter was one damn cold winter where the russians even had to keep their damn tanks on 24/7 so to not risk them never starting again in the cold harsh winter!
oh the sweet sweet irony
The russian winter is much colder than the finnish winter
well that one was unusually cold
hahaha no Depends which part of Russia/Finland we're talking about. Most of the Soviet soldiers came from the more southern parts of Russia where it's generally warmer
How finns says "Simo Häyhä"
Finland: Simo Häyhä
Other countries: Saimo Heyha
We finns spell vocal "I" like vocal part in the word "pit" and vocal "O" like vocal part in the word "pot"
Well this seems familiar...
Just change Germany to Nato, Finland to Ukraine, and Stalin to Putin.
Yeah true
Deja Vú.
The winter war wasn’t completely useless for the Russians. They learned valuable, yet costly, lessons that would help them defeat the Germans in winter fighting.
according to western mythology, lend-lease was all the Russians had which is obviously bullshit. Soviet transport (especially railways) had easily caught up to the west by 1945 due to Stalins five year plan. Also I would easily say the Soviet airforce was much more streamlined and did a much better job at knocking out Nazi planes by 1944 rather than the allies. Also US and Britain never suffered 80% of their airforce getting knocked out like barbarossa, and never had to reorganize the military 5 times and train new commanders. Let's also not forget that Germany was basically ina death spiral by 1943 and only lost territory from then on. So the western front did jack shit in comparison.
+Zindai x
Stop regurgitating Russian propaganda mate. The Russian airforce was never more effective than the allied one. Allied airforce had cleared the sky a few months into 1944.
This is probably where your Russian lies come from: Russians look at Luftwaffe casualties and go "Gosh, Brits and Americans not shooting down any more planes? Clearly we are better! We shot down four!!", while forgetting they weren't shooting down more, because the Luftwaffe had been pretty much wiped out of the western front by mid 1944.
Also railways were better? By 1945 they had a railway line here and there, with one or two trains per day, with most locomotives being British import....
Europe had integrated rail networks by 1900.
You clearly do not know how casualties were counted in ww2 by either side, if a nazi plane got damaged it was as good as destroyed, because the germans had even worse logistics than the soviets! They would have to load up the plane on a truck (if they had one) or a pair of horses or mules (most likely) and drag it back to Germany. Allies only shot down planes that intercepted their bombing. Russians never really adopted that strategy, especially on that scale and thus shot down much more planes, they also shot down more EXPERIENCED pilots too. That is literally the only reason why allied aces even existed. They never had to face a batch of veterans from 1939-1940 because they were sent to the eastern front. Or got killed during the battle of France.
Zindai x just fucking stop with this ussr power meme
It's unfunny, bad and false
@Tyruddo truth>feelings
I find it comically ironic that the Molotov cocktail, which in the west is stereotyped as a purely Russian creation because we think of them as being undersupplied at the beginning of WWII and being forced to improvise, was in fact invented by one of Russia's wartime enemies.
El Pico Grande fair enough. We are a bit ignorant of foreign culture here.
It's kinda funny why it's called so. When the Soviet was bombing Finnish citys in the beginning of the winter war they said on the Soviet state radio that they was not bombing them, that it was actually ''Airborne humanitarian food deliveries for their starving neighbours''. And the finnish people with there black sarcastically humor called the soviet bombs ''Molotov bread basket'' and begin to call there Fuelbombs ''Molotov cocktail'' as ''a drink to go with the food''
Northland XD
Blah b but the name molotov coctail comes from Finland still
Suomi antoi neukuille kunnolla turpiin, voittivat meitin vaan siksi kun olivat niin iso maa, eivät voittaneet taidolla.
Finlandia kiked Soviet ass very much, they won us only because they so big country, they didnt win with skill.
“The winter war, The war that became a meme”
Soviet union: give me territory
Finland: wtf no
Soviet union: it's war then
Finland: *COWABUNGA IT IS*
Finland: So you have chosen death.
I salute the Finnish Army and Finland. Even though they didn't have an air force they were able to hold for two months. Imagine if they have sophisticated tank divisions and squadrons of aircraft. They might have invaded Leningrad instead. Lol.
Mark Aguilar saluting a Nazi ally?
They made a deal with the devil, yes. But, given the context I think it is understandable. It's not like the made an alliance with germany because they were greedy and wanted to expand their empire (aka Japan).
+Dave Tyler The Brits denounced us, the US didn't care and the scandinavian countries shat their pants the moment the war began.
And the Nazis fought the Soviets just like we did and they were the only ones willing to truly help us, so why the fuck not?
We didn't send any Jewish finns to be exterminated, nor did we have a genetic "purification" program like Sweden did. The reason we allied with the Nazis was because everyone else was too scared to help us, so eat shit.
They did have an airforce, but it wasn't realy a 'force'. It was just very small.
three months
😏 Way to go Finland.
Finland may be small, but they were fierce.
Prawns to you Finland!
Thanx m8 i am from finland
100 years of Finland this year!
You mean "East-Sweden"?
They weren't fierce, they just faced an incompetent army which later was reinforced with planes and experienced troops from Siberia
Solaxe S You must be joking
*When the snow starts speaking Finnish*
USSR: I fear no man!
USSR: (gulp) But that thing...it scares me!
The winter war was like the only reason Finland supported Germany in Operation Barbarossa.
Kaiser Wilhelm Indeed. Btw shouldn't you be Kaiser Wilhem the _second_ ?
Yeah, but I just don't like "II" or "the second" at the end
Sir, you will always have the 2nd best mustache in history. First place has to go to Otto Von Bismarck, sorry bro.
What about Franz Josef?
He was a fool. No wonder he died. He was so stupid, that all his failures shocked him. Nobody else died because they weren't stupid. (well, the allied generals were stupid, but not that stupid)
Winter war where Finland won a defensive victory (remaining independend) and russians won a pyrrhic victory
Alfred Wolf Stalin stayed true to his earlier demands, so 25 000 finns dead but stubbornness proven, good job Finland.
the soviets aimed to annex finland but failed to fill that goal only taking karelia
Finnish cities were being bombed and their army pushed all across the entire front. Soviets showed you mercy because Stalin was afraid of western intervention
Solaxe S If you watched the video this was clearly not the case. They did push but not until the end of the winter war. They barely made gains and were eventually pushed back a little in the middle.
TGCScar 1-2million soviets died
Holy crap - you just need to swap Finland for Ukraine and this video would feel like it was made yesterday.
- Large Russian forces quarterised by limited roads and routes across vast landscape.
- Gurellia attacks neutralizing war parties
Honestly its even worse, Finland fought like the underdog but Ukraine is on par with Russia
Guerrilla*
Russia : we are cold.
Finland : *C O L D E R*
I guess the fins FINNISHED THEM OFF
I'll stop.....
They lost over 200.000 kias. See Crushev's memories....
I again 200.000 is minimum...
please, the exit is to the left
"often isn't talked about between the Fins and the Russians"
Speak for yourself, we Finns never skip a chance to rub it in that we bloodied Red Army
The only thing that young Finn can be proud of.
+Hey Man, no, the Red Army is not the only thing a Soviets can be proud of. Scientists, engineers, builders, cosmonauts, etc. or equality, absence of unemployment, the best education in the world, etc. The USSR had a huge number of reasons to be proud of. But to know this, you need to study the history of Russia and the Soviet Union, which you obviously didn't do.
In addition, the Red Army became the cause for pride after the victory over Nazi Germany. And no, again, it was not "cucked by finland". This is the Finnish side requested a peace treaty. If this did not happen, the Red Army would have reached to Norway and beyond.
Except the Finns surrendered twice and then became the SSSR's closest ally in the region.
Locutus
there is three things I fear
is
1.Slavics
2. a pissed off Celtic
3. a Shark
+Chen Wang, it doesn't make sense.
This is why the Soviets liked to talk up their victory over Germany so much, to obscure this piece of history they don't like talking about.
Piece of history in which they beat Finland into submission so hard that Finns were force to cede them more territory than they initially requested and then bitchslapped them yet again when they teamed up with their Aryan buddies in Continuation War ? That piece of history ?
@⊰ᴠᴏʟᴄᴀɴᴏ⊱ I don't understand your point regarding commander but you do realize that Soviets were massively handicaped due to massive purge the idiot Stalin ordered just 2 yrs before this war happened in which Red Army's most experienced and talented officers were executed. Still the moment Soviets switched to competent commander, Seymon Timoshenko, it took them only like 3 weeks to break through Mannerheim's line and force force Finns to negotiate the end of war on extremely humiliating terms. Anyway you slice it, Finns lost and lost big time.
@⊰ᴠᴏʟᴄᴀɴᴏ⊱ Well yes, but having a poor performance in a single operation doesn't equal defeat or Soviet failure. Focusing on one operation in war, and not even the decisive one is very disingenuous. I am under the impression that many Finns are engaging in historical revisionism so they could cope more easily with the fact that the source of their national pride was a decisive loss for them and Westerners like the creator of this video are happy to go along with their lies because they hate Russia.
Perhaps Im just too patriotic but I wish he mentioned the Swedish effort. 70,000 Finnish children came to Sweden as refugees, and I believe I have multiple relatives who brought up Finnish children. Many Swedish soldiers also felt sympathy for Finland and went as volunteers to help. Not to take the spotlight from Finland. You guys are awesome. GG. Love from Sweden.
2 bad sweden did not go to war. 90% of potential unused. But now you started military service there again, right?
Dude From North Yes, finally we have started building back tge army. If you search on youtube “svenska försvaret” you find a great documentary on our bad army, but its in Swedish. As for Sweden in WW2... Im ashamed. Sure we helped Finland and made great contributions, but we helped the Nazis... We sent them iron, and allowed them to use our railroads to invade Norway. So sorry Norway, we owe you one.
Wow refugees came to Sweden once and didn't rape the country ...
Would've rekt the Soviets real bad had the Swedish joined that war too with Finland
Respect for Sweden because they gave us the Finnland we know and love today.Thanks Sweden!
Actually simo häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills.
He said he got 250 in a one assault and he had 505 and over 200 msg kills
And that's only confirmed kills when he had allies with him. The real number could be three times that
@Shib He got 542 sniper kills and about 250 smg kills. This was confirmed in his diary when it was found.
Quite right you are.
He had about 700 kills 500 with a sniper and 200 with his finnish smg
I know you are pressed for time when you make these, but I'm disappointed that you didn't talk about the effects of the Winter War such as Finland joining operation Barbarossa, Stalin learning from the experience and reorganizing his army, and causing Hitler to further underestimate the Soviets.
Emil Johansson Poland invaded Russia to the gates of Moscow, The Mongols beat them, and Germany defeated them in WW1.
Poland beat Soviets in conventional warfare (1920-1921)
theringman77 it was not that hard wining over russia in a war. They have lost a lot of wars to the west.
and then were forced to pay in 1939 for their crimes against Russian POWs during the Civil War. And Warsaw was almost taken, should I mention.
Poles were kicked out the next year, Mongols are a different story (as always) and Germany didn't defeat us. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (anulled 6 monthers later) was signed.
History repeats itself
I said that minutes ago
Finland: Our country is so small and our people are so few, where will we bury our dead???
Russia: Finally, we've gained enough land to bury our dead.
Netro Lancer looks like they’re going into a vase
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Normal babies spend 9 months in the womb, finnish babies spend 9 months in the sauna
haha
In fact in the past people gave birth in saunas, because it was the most clean place people usually had an access to.
Tyynymyy well some people still do it
thats true in estonia 2 tyynymyy
@@lassi5423 Not anymore.
Alternate History video.....What if the Fins had won the Winter War?
DrakeMarvell Since Leningrad came under siege by Germany anyways it probably made no difference.
Well, it probably would have made very little difference, but it still could have had an impact. Such as, for the Finns to win the Soviets would probably have to lose quite a few more men, meaning they'd be weaker for the war against the Germans. Another thing would be that Germany might have reached Leningrad sooner, which, coupled with the loss to the Finns could mean disastrous morale consuquences, possibly leading to many more Soviet problems down the line. However, I don't think it would make for a very good or accurate video since it would mostly be speculation. You can't really predict that someone's going to try to secede or anything like that, so the video would be pointless.
DrakeMarvell we have to invade karelia back
@@venkkooo oikein
We didint surrender like in almost all videos the war literally stopped evryonel soviets fins throw them guns
This is an older video but I’ll comment this nonetheless. A friend of my mom’s- who lives in Wisconsin- mother served in the winter war. She’s almost 90 years old. She apparently was amazing at skiing. So amazing that she was able to keep up the practice until she was 80! I’m going to meet her this weekend; she sounds like a badass and I’m looking froward to it.
Looks like history is repeating itself
If they knew that the FInns would brag about this for centuries to come, im sure they would never have invaded.
Eko02 no wonder why south park nuked them
lol
It's the only thing they can brag about. Russia was just being kind.
Ealdy naah Finland is only country in europe next soviets that didnt fall behind iron wall... That is victory in my books Even with some lost land.
Yea cuz they got allied to nazis because they lost the winter war
With molotov cocktail in hand,
No fear of their tanks, TALVISOTA!
Sabaton
FIGHT! HOLD YOUR GROUND! WINTER WAR, REINFORCE THE LINES
YOU'RE IN THE SNIPER'S SIGHT
THE FIRST KILL TONIGHT
TIME TO DIE!
YOU'RE IN THE BULLET'S WAY
THE WHITE DEATH'S PREY
SAY GOODBYE
Who’s here after Putin threatened Finland and Sweden if they join NATO?
CZcams has some unique recommendations
Thanks for this channel man I absolutely love the videos could watch em all day
4:00 i died to that pronounciation
siimoo heihaa
HEYHAA
*insert Sabaton*
*RISE, NATION'S PRIDE*
*RUSSIANS ON THE ROUT TO RUIN*
Mugetsu Yarida Strike em where it hurts
swedish band, finland hates sweden.
TerryFGM i dont think they HATE eachother, i'd describe it more as a friendly rivalry
Welp this is relevant the last few months.
As the Finns were alleged to say: "There were simply more Russians than we had bullets."
Not to say, but to lie. The Finns were defeated. They wanted Greater Finland and got Lesser Finland for their malicious intentions.
Slava Shishkin you're right, no one can stand up to the might of the meatshield army.
But winter never run out of bullet
@@justnoob8141 In the end the Finns had enough bullets to swallow and surrendered.
@@slavashishkin3313 You Russians still bitter to this day that you got rekt by Finland
The irony is that Finland joined the Nazis because they felt threatened and wanted their own back, so attacking Finland directly backfired
They would've joined anyway.
This is why the Soviets wanted to enforce a buffer zone.
Nikola Avramov explain
He's actually right. Finland was a haven for the old Imperial Russians, The white Russians. And their government was openly critical and hostile of the Soviets ever since the Red Revolution.
Nazi Germany had been courting the Finns since before the start of the war, and the Finn populace held much more sympathy for the German Third Reich than for the Soviets.
Needless to say, When Germany handed Finland to the Soviet Union in the Molotov Pact, it was clear that they knew of the hostilities beforehand. Essentially Hitler 'Gifted' Stalin with a country that would never accept Soviet rule. So now Stalin had a choice... take Finland or let a bordering nation of hostile anti-soviets be further indoctrinated by the Germans.
Stalin's maneuver in the Winter War was to prevent the inevitable Finn-German alliance. Unfortunately, the failure of the Winter War inevitably extended World War II, with Soviet forces having to be spent on dealing with Finnish resistance and attacks rather than focusing on the invading Nazi Army.
It's worth noting that both wars took place during WWII... beautifully orchestrated by the 'sympathetic' Nazi Germany, who supplied, rallied, and reinforced the Finns.
It's arguable that without the issues with Finland in WWII, the Soviet Forces would have been bolstered enough to slow the Nazi advance much quicker... and eventually turn it back. Manpower alone would have been significantly increased... and the War would have likely ended several years sooner in Europe.
+The American dude
I'm not your parent.
Neither am I responsible for your education.
Pay for my time or learn to say "Please".
Prasik Whatever thank you for explaining
FEEL THE POWER OF SISU
Deja vu!
It seems history has effectively repeated itself.
PERKELE
VITTU SATANA!
Himputti.
KARJALA TAKAS
Suomi Finland PERKELE
Tactics and Strategies mostly overcome against Brute Force
Aye, which is why in the end the Finns had to surrender - but they had at least showed that the cost of invading was high, much higher than Stalin had anticipated. And much higher again if he wanted to take all of the - at that time - pretty worthless little country.
There is a myth, a russian general said, the amount of land gained was barely enough to burry the fallen.
Don't send any more men. There is two of them.
Not only was the Winter War pointless in that it failed to protect Leningrad, the Finns ended up invading the Soviet Union with the Nazis to take back their land. Kinda telling that at the end of the war the Soviets didn't punish Finland any further.
Good job Finland.
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What if No Mans Sky wasn’t bad
Thanks for the upvotes, 1k and I’ll make a meme
Still better than Star Citizen. It's actually released and playable at above 60 FPS.
It's not that bad, it just was rushed to launch (rushed is used loosely here) it's a better game now after the updates.
Corgilover yeah, tbh it was just too hyped, go play Elite Dangerous if you really want a good multiplayer space game
Mp57navy ha, I’m gonna tell my friend that one
Jonathan Mason lol
Finns:ez
Russians:not so ez
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except that Finland lost, then lost again badly in the Continuation War
megin na they lost bwcuse they had to little amuntion to shoot the enemies. ( the 160 000 soldiers was the offical numbers from soviet). They fail to mention the other 360 000 injured.
megin na Yeah but Finland effort is comparable of going to ring wkth boxing champion, lasting 6 rounds.The champion planned to beat you on first round with few weak punches. But in the end the champion needed to actually sweat for the win and you landed couple good ones on him
You were never going to win but after the fight the champion would shake your hands and acknowledge you
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Thank you for making this good video. Greetings from Finland!
Hey, funny trivia.
The war went so well for the finns we actually had more Weapons and armor AFTER the war than at the begging of it.
Yes the Finns had enough the bullets to swallow and surrendered.
@@slavashishkin3313 say it to the soviet union with 28 million casualties in ww2
*sakkijarven polka intensifies.*
Bartolome Gutierritos you cant even spell säkkijärvi or polkka
Go to hell
KILLEKIRAHVI I guess the Polkka part is true, but I'm pretty sure both säkkijärvi and säkkijärven are correct.
Bartolome Gutierritos "sakkijarven"
No the fuck it isnt
And also it is polkka not polka
KILLEKIRAHVI Okay dude, whatever you say.
Bartolome Gutierritos i am from finland so i should know you know
One amazing thing the Finns did, was to keep the dead Soviets in caves, they basically kept the dead bodies cold for the soviets to retrieve, I read that in a book, and I believe the Soviets never retrieved the bodies.
Fishin California boo evil soviets
We buried their dead. And we don't have any caves.
Fishin California We actually put the Soviets that freezed to death upside down to scare the russians.
you cant expect a nation at serious war to respect the dead as much as the living. Besides, the dead could be a trap
peruna mopo The Soviets were atheists. It would make no sense to request the bodies back.
Soviet Union : were the greatest country in the world
Finland: I am about to end this mans whole career
I accidentally clicked on your pfp while scrolling and was shocked how close your subscriptions were to mine and how diverse they were
@@swagga7644 I looked at the subscriptions, and that's a lot of subscriptions
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@@swagga7644
uhh, you have 6 subscribers.. I think I'm missing the joke
@@swagga7644 the gap is wayyy more different
Czechoslovakia: my allies will protect me drom the na-
Hitler: hippity hoppity you are now my property
Why did you give it into a Soviet-Finnish war video?
The final irony is that although Finland attacked Russia to take back the land Russia took, allying with the German's and allowing German troops into Finland where they fought the Russians in the north. Despite all this Finland refused to integrate command with Germany, Finland retained control of the front near Leningrad and despite strong German urging they not only refused to attack Leningrad, they also refused to advance beyond the pre winter war border. Even if they had gone just a few more miles they would have helped move effectively block of Leningrad from resupply.
except they did participate in the siege and did not move because soviets were already dug in the north, you're pushing new bullshit revisionism
Zindai x you're pushing old soviet propaganda. fuck off
Going to the east and occupying Arhangelsk would end up in British invasion of Finland, UK wasn't going to leave USSR alone cuz it would make it the only country in Europe resisting Hitler
@@rabbit6845 You're the one who needs to shut up
@@rabbit6845 That wasn't Propaganda
Finnish Winnish
they lost mate
ooppa tyhmä. se oli RAUHANSOPIMUS hiton kommunisti!
There seems to be a misconception among some who believe that the USSR got what it wanted at the conclusion of the Winter War, and that they weren't trying to conquer Finland.
The whole of Finland fell under the Soviet sphere of influence in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. If the Soviets only wanted the land they gained in 1940, only this land would have been mentioned in the pact. Likewise, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were also in the Soviet sphere of influence per the pact, and they were all annexed in 1940. Same with the eastern portion of Poland and the northern portion of Romania. Only Finland differed from what was agreed to in the pact and actual territorial changes.
After establishing the new puppet government in Finland in December 1939, the Soviets stated that "The People's Government in its present composition regards itself as a provisional government. Immediately upon arrival in Helsinki, capital of the country, it will be reorganised and its composition enlarged by the inclusion of representatives of the various parties and groups participating in the people's front of toilers". The Soviets even created a musical piece, The Suite on Finnish Themes, that was intended to be played as the Red Army paraded in Helsinki. Of course, the Red Army never got anywhere near Helsinki.
Lastly, during the November 1940 meetings between Molotov and Hitler, Molotov said that "The German-Russian agreement of last year could therefore be regarded as fulfilled, except for one point, namely, Finland", and went on to say that the "Finnish question" was still unsolved.
Finland lost parts of its territory but prevented the USSR from conquering the country and thus retained its sovereignty. Helsinki was one of three European combatant capitals that were never occupied by a foreign army during World War II, the other two being London and Moscow.
History repeats ironically
would like to hear more on the 1v250 guy he sounds badass :D
Mr.V holy shit I realy wana hear is story now XD
TenguKnight ty I will :D
Got an explosive bullet to his cheek in the final battles. Didn't die. Woke up the day the war ended and lived until 2002.
He's a legendary war hero. Here's a great video about him: czcams.com/video/kJxkbBr2Wvo/video.html
The best sniper in history hands down. He had over 500 confirmed kills, and he never used a magnified sniper scope for any of them.
*Ironsights FTW*
Do the Soviet invasion of Manchuria 1945
Ussr: can i have land
Finland: lol no
One small note. The buffer for Leningrad was just a pretext. Actually, Finland was part of Russian Empire, before 1918, and Stalin wanted it back.
@Rasmus Vohlakari Of course, my friend, but this is a footnote for empires and leaders that want to set such empires...For Stalin, Finland needed to be part of his empire and and the rights if Finns were a small detail. All he needed was an excuse, so that others (presumably stronger than Finns) do nothing to interfere! And that exactly was the essence of my initial comment: that Leningrad's buffer was an excuse to an unjustifiable offense!
@Alkhazred1 Mostly, I agree with you. My only correction is that the territorial gains, if Finns were anti-communists (which were), were not for having a buffer zone for Leningrad - Finns would not invade alone (actually they didn' t invade even during the Barbarossa, they just restored their territory). He wanted to seize this part of the country, as it was then the most developped one. It's mostly a case of 'if you oblige, I shall have you, if not I'll take your resources'. Buffer zone was just a pretext.
First of all, molotovs couldn't "burn off the armor". They were thrown at engine radiator, which eventually led to engine stall and fuel tank detonation for earlier tanks. You forgot to mention motti tactics utilized by finns and how soviet army learned the motti tactics and used it against wermacht in 1941
That's just Russian lies. Russians never managed to separate and encircle small German units.
Whenever the Russians went up against a unit even slightly the same size, the result was disaster. Russians typically suffered two to five times as many casualties.
There's reports from the Crimea of German units who were destroyed, with 90% dead or injured, and the survivors were still defeating fully supplied Russian units twice their number.
@Blah B you are such a utter dumbass! I guess the Prague offensive never happened! I guess Operation Uranus never happened! I guess Operation Kutuzov never happened! I guess Operation Bagration never happened! Oh wait!
For the mentally handicapped who actually think the germans took less casualties czcams.com/video/6wnqHRbBhi4/video.htmlm20s
The battle of Prokhorovka had germans losses at least 300 tanks, 20 assault guns and at least 3,500 soldiers. Russian losses were around 320 tanks lost and 11 assault guns, and 3000 soldiers. Lmao you're so dumb you Russophobic racist scumbag
Dude accept that finlands the better one. The soviet "tanks" if you can call them that were poorly made and had holes and thin armor
This story always makes me proud and I’m not even finnish
Sam Blanchard I'm sure there's a good chance you could be related to some Finns.
Devin Tariel I actually did a dna test recently and found out I’m 1.6% Finnish!
+Lorenzo Koevoets
Nazis >*∞ Soviets
And I hate Nazis.
Lorenzo Koevoets “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”
well said Sam. And ofcourse Stalin killed way more people and did way more horrible things, at least in my opinion. Hitler was a cunt yes, but at least he didnt try to make our country a communist shithole. The best thing to do was to get some help from Germany at the time.
My granddad was a decorated soldier during the war. Died few years back as one of the last living veterans and got a really beautiful funeral with soldiers singing and so on
"…The war was five days old and the first shock had worn off. There had been no panic at any time but only a stony determination to defend the country, and already it seemed as if people knew exactly where they had to go, and as if each person had some special work that was essential to all. An Italian journalist had remarked in Helsinki that anyone who could survive the Finnish climate could survive anything and we decided with admiration that the Finns were a tough and unrelenting race, seeing them take this war as if there was nothing very remarkable in three million people fighting against a nation of one hundred and eighty million."
- Martha Gellhorn -