Why my Engine Blew. Something every E55 owner should know!
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2018
- So after tearing the entire engine down, I realized it was just a rubber o-ring in the oil collector that caused the engine to lose all the oil supply and destroyed everything in minutes.
This is something every M113k owner should look into because other cars with this oil pump might possible have the same problem. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
A O-ring took out a space shuttle in 1986 too.
I am impressed. I like how you laid everything of the broken down engine out in geographical arrangement. This a very informative video Thank You for sharing.
The challenger space shuttle also blew cus of a O-ring
Yeah, a lot of bad things can happen when rubber tears.
jospi2 hahahah
Hot damn lol 😂😂😂😂
That's you back up a o ring with rtv it's the fucking space shuttle dude
The space shuttle worked as designed as did the SRBs. They were operated way out of thermal design spec due to some greedy bastards at NASA. I suspect infrequent oil changes in the engine's past had some effect on the longevity of this o-ring.
You are a true expert. Your level of investigation is incredible!
That sucks, a little o ring caused the destruction of your entire engine. Also I was really surprised when you said there’s no oil pressure sensor. That’s just plain stupid
just like an o-ring destroyed the space shuttle
This is the problem with tracking old cars, parts are worn out and things fail under the stress conditions of the track that won't fail in normal city driving.
As an M6 owner and former AMG owner this pains me to see. At the same time I am grateful for your efforts in showing the engine and the issue and I hope no one else suffers this because it’s a gamble putting in a new used engine.
I was ready to blame it on the boost or the tune. I shouldn't have doubted your skills. Lol. Thank you for your findings.
For people that haven't seen the previous videos, keep in mind this is a time attack car. I've been using it on the track for the past two years so its been through a lot more stress than most other E55's
My point is that if it happened on this car it might happen on other E55's later down the road, and without an oil pressure sensor or switch there's no way to tell when something like this happens. Its something that could have been easily prevented had I known in time, so Its worth pointing out to others so they don't fall for the same thing.
do you have plans to add some form of oil pressure monitoring in your new engine ?
Yes, already ordered an oil pressure gauge. Will be installing it soon!
Please make video of oil pressure gauge instalation........ Thanks
Wait....There isn't an oil pressure sensor on that motor? My Kawasaki lawn mower engines and my pressure washer have oil pressure switches that shut down the engine if pressure is low. WTF would an engine like this not have at least an idiot light???
Does the S55 have the same O-ring issues even though it has just 1 large oil tank? Thx
Wow that is a shocking design fail from Mercedes!
That O-ring was something they could have prevented and no oil pressure sensor is just a big design fail in my opinion.
Keep up the good work man 👍
My Clk500 doesn't have a dipstick. You have to believe in a sensor that sends info to the dash about oil level. Great job mercedes👏
I believe this design only came in the E55's and newer cars that came after 03. The S class W210 and CL W215 had a much better oil pump design. The collector was a part of the pump rather than separately being mounted.
HONDA make the best engines...look up any video on someone tearing down one and you'll understand.
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That's why Europe is full of Mercedes cars with 500,000 to 1,000,000 km's on the clock running like brand new? I don't think I sat in a Mercedes taxi in my life that had less than 500,000 km's on it. I love how tards always like to take one bad example and then shit all over the whole brand, while ignoring millions of examples that prove that the opposite of their belief is true.
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You can't really compare some 2 liter 4 cylinder that's so simple nothing on it can go wrong to something as complex as this V8 in the E55.
A lot of confidence the designers put on that tiny o'ring. This is simply a design flaw. They could have easily implemented an auto shutdown system in case of low or no oil pressure together with an indicator and warning light. Excellent video, unfortunate occasion.
I can't believe how calmly you present this. Good on you.
SK8215 I’m sorry for your loss but thankful for the superb video you’ve made on it! Excellent explanation of what went wrong and what the culprit was. Thank you for the beautiful layout of (what is left of;-) the engine. It’s a shame Mercedes left out the oil pressure sensor but you’ve made maybe the best video in this category on it!
Great video once again!
You're a fucking hero!
"I just took the engine apart .. ."
My pocket was saved a couple times when I lost oil pressure and obviously stopped the car straight way... No having an oil pressure sensor seems like a really crap ideia from Mercedes ... 😳
we need to use a Japanese Oil pump on these german cars!!
AMG company, only the body is Mercedes.
Crap idea? or genius idea?
i think the second one
@@nederberg2331 was 30 years ago separated. Now comes from the same assy lines.
@Cevair Zufer oh, some of them I know are handmade by AMG, but I suppose only certain ones...
very useful information, also thanks for the curiosity and the time spent to tear down the engine to find the issue
One of the greatest channels on CZcams!!!
Many Greetings from Germany.
Wow! Awesome forensic analysis on why your engine blew. I see this with F1 where they inspect their engines after every race to analyze wear and tear.
You're very knowledgeable and highly skilled. It shows.
Thanks for sharing these issues with us. So glad you were able to get your hands on a replacement engine. Now I know why they were rated the best in the world for durability and reliability over many years.
Looking forward to more amazing videos like this.
Keep up the great work with your channel!
It makes sense. Apparently the engine was destroyed before it actually blew up, because of massive wear. The oil pressure is definitely a sensor you would wand on any engine. Even the cheapest engine have it. But instead, Mercedes is preoccupied more about comfort, like fitting a boot light failure sensor.
Nice job. Keep it up!
Very impressed with your thought process and technical ability. Very nice investigation here.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THIS VIDEO,YOU SCARY ME,I HAVE E55 AMG W211...MONDAY I BUY NEW OIL PUMP...ME IN YOUR SITUACION SHAKING HANDS AND MY VOICE IS DIFFERENT....YOU ARE REALLY BRAVE...THANK YOU AGAIN...OH MAN I FEEL THE PAIN IN MY HEART.
Still sad it blew but I love the fact you got a new m113k :)
cant believe that these cars dont have an oil pressure sensor, very chep car I know has that. Of course if the pressure drops there is already damage done to the engine, but atleast the driver gets an idiot light and doesnt ruin EVERY part in the engine...
Right on man! Glad to hear your keeping it AMG power! Keep us posted.
Is there a wireless blue tooth oil sensor?
Im glad you found the cause and didnt go to the trouble of fitting a custom baffled sump only to have the issue happen again.
Looks like the engine tune was spot on btw as i can't see any signs of detonation. Keep up the great work
Hi, if not all AMG engines at least the M113k, M156, M157 and M275 doesn't have oil pressure sensor, you found it with the hard way that you need to install an oil pressure gauge.
By the way if you are using your car to the race track you can modify also the oil thermostat it's very easy on M113k.
Sorry for your loss
Hey Tasos, Thanks for your comment. I also recently discovered your channel. Great content on these engines!
Pretty surprising none of the newer models come with oil pressure sensors or switches considering that was something almost all older Mercedes had
I have an 06 S55 with about 30k into it.. 5k in the exhaust alone.. is this an issue on the S too? I realize they don’t have oil pressure sensors but I am talking about the o ring. I know the oil systems / sump Design is totally different
Bounder With Chris The S55 didn't have this o-ring. This one only came in models with two oil sumps.
jesus your knowledge is insane
The dude took apart the engine himself but his hands look perfect....WTF????
Help... Soap... Gloves... ?
Cars1999 probably wears gloves taking engines apart is easy but know what every part does and how it works may be hard for some people I just turned 18 and I took a corsair flatsix and Chevy v8 and a fzr1000 motorcycle engine head
It's how you care for them. I've been a mechanic for years and years. My hands are good. No gloves. Just some good grit cleaner, a nail brush, and cold water only.
are you a native english speaker?
Such good analysis. I admire your knowledge sir.
Sorry to hear about your engine failure - good detective work finding out the cause. Hope you're back running soon. BTW I've never seen drivers allowed to go on-track without a helmet.
YES!!! Keeping with the original engine!
There isnt an oil pressure gauge or warning light on the car? Thats insane.
Not only insane but stupid thing to do when its supplying oil to an engine with 8 cylinders
yeah I know. The oil system is the heart of the engine, at least have a warning light. I seriously believe ,and I do this to all my builds, the engine needs an engine cutoff based on the oil pressure. below pressure cut ignition and fuel. larger diesel motors like international do this.
My car is 52 years old and even IT has an oil pressure warning light!
THATS MERCEDES don't you mean. LOL.
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Damn dude, awesome engine analysis. A man who clearly knows wtf he’s on about
I've seen a few oil starvation failures and it never fails to amaze me! The amount of damage an oil starvation causes is catastrophic!
I had a BMW that had been overheated and dropped a valve retainer and the valve hit the piston and it was nothing on that!
Interesting. My guess is that the o ring was cut during installation. It's also my guess the redundancy of the Benz design allowed the engine to survive during normal use even though the pump was cavitating. It's probably the competition use that pushed the conditions (high rpm / hp demand, hot / thin oil, g-forces further compromising oil pickup, and so on) beyond the rod bearing's ability to cope. #5 rod is the furthest rod from the pump supply, so this kind of goes along with the cut seal line of thought. Sorry for your troubles, btw.
I think that you should look at every single o'ring in the new engine not just this one and set a certain time to change all of these again as well. Definitely check out VRPSpeed.
Now we know why 20 year old Mercedes are called classic 👌 in the barn or will blow up
Have you watched "barn find "shows. Classic worth 100k and fist thing they do is say"lets see if she will start "Ho ho ho
Nice video once again...
Thumbs up for your knowledge and skills, all the best...👍🏽
Great video, thanks for sharing.
After a careful and thorough analysis of your dismantled engine, I came to the conclusion that the real cause of the problem has to be that horrendous front spoiler!
Good video.
Tought me a lot about selenders.
@Dick Fageroni hahaha
i belive you can program some aftermarket ECUs to shut the engine down if oil pressure is lost.
how would it know if oil pressure is lost if theres no oil pressure sensor nigga
CashedClean because you tap an oil galley and measure it....nigga
Ronald Rebolledo lmao what a fucking concept right?? It’s a sensor, it can be added
it can, but you need an extra sensor... i test a oil pressure sensor mounted in a oil filter but you need to program quite well because car wont start after oil change.
This could be easily done with an oil pressure sensor and relay logic.
Excellent analyses! Well done!
Gods of speed demand sacrifices from here to there! Great vid, even though it sucks that your engine was lost in the process.
the cl500 ZAS has an oil pressure sensor. it is really easy to retrofit one to any m113k. the spot is already there, just the sensor some gaskets and you got your peace of mind. I got pictures and part numbers if you want to go that route.
Can you please link the part number and pictures? Would REALLY appreciate it... Thanks!
Anoop Patel sure.
A1120150730, housing, mounted on the underside of the oil filter housing, needs m12x1.5 bolts.
N000000001116, bolts as described.
N007603012111, o ring.
A1121840280, gasket.
you may not be able to find it online but any dealership can get you these parts.
This might worry a few Mercedes owners on here.
Might be an idea to ask Alex at LegitStreetCars guy on here, as her is was a Mercedes technician, and certainly knows his stuff.
You got me :( I've got one with 210000kms. I have spent allot of time on the e55 forums and have never heard of this. I'm in panic mode atm. A replacement engine in europe is 5000€.
Agreed, would like to see Alex comment on this. Great video SK8215........think an oil pressure sensor will be on my list for my CLS55 this summer.
learn proper german ,it´s called:"was ist das denn für eine scheisse"
And no it´s not the g-force, if you would know something about the E 55 you would not state such theorys.
ich danke ihnen für ihre warmherzige antwort und wünsche ihnen auch weiterhin alles gute da sie ja ein wahrer intelligenzbolzen sein muessen.
You can get gauges that will give you a audible warning. Also hook up some large warning led's in your line of sight when on track. Cool turbo setup!
Great forensic examination!
i have to ask:
what weight oil were you running during track use?
did you know that the recommended oil for daily/normal use is wholly inadequate for track duty/continuous high speed operation and will thin to the point of allowing the damage you are seeing? it's not the fault of the pump. the factory on the other hand most likely didn't advise accordingly.
the reason i bring this up is that this is not the first time i have seen this happen with mercedes engines.
Wow. No oil pressure switch is just silly. A lot of trust huh amg?
I would say piston side skirt welded to cylinder bore and then your statement about the crank trying to pull the big end of the rod down and snapping out the big end cap is true.
Amazing video. Really informative. You deserve a lot more followers man! Cheers
A Few points your very good video brings back from memory.
1)For many years race car mechanics have installed a big red warning light to warn the driver of oil pressure failure. A gauge is a good idea,but belt and suspenders here. When driving,keep it simple,you will not be concentrating on gauges.
2)Various race car parts houses sell different designs of oil accumulator,some with the idea of a driver actuated ball valve for a last ditch way to supply oil for a few moments anyway. A good idea here. Try Summit Racing for a start.
3) I would be pissed. At the very least,contact Mercedes-Benz with a polite but very firm letter,paper not electronic. How dare they allow a point source of failure like this. Since it is not backed up with an appropriate idiot light,they are the idiots here. Any American lawyer worth his salt would rub his hands at a potential class action lawsuit here. You will not be the only individual affected here. I would be enraged,not philosophical. Racing does indeed improve the breed.
4) Fix this so that there is a better pipe seal than just one O ring. That is just plain stupid. Is there any way you can install an A/N fitting instead of the O ring ? Even if it means modifying the end of the pipe as well.
Good luck with your next engine,and for God's sake,go through it with a fine tooth comb. Happy track time in future.
paul manson mb would cite the EXTENSIVE modding he did to the vehicle as a reason for added stress and it would be good enough for almost every judge, if not every one.
Larry Wilmore Hmm. Perhaps you are right. I suppose the real issue here is to put pressure on the engineering team supervisors not to be stupid with point source failure without warning light backup. Particularly that there is an on board computer capable of decision making in so many hundreds of microseconds. When 1981 model year rolled around and the on board became a reality,there was much talk of 'limp home mode ' . A solenoid could be empowered to trigger the emptying of an accumulator of oil.big warning light,timer,voice,limited power,and things I cannot think of that brighter boys with training can. If I can think of this,the fact that MB has not done some or all is more than bean counting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Look at the complexity of that disassembled engine compared to the 1955 revolutionary Chevy small block. The process engineering required to create the production line much less the engine is something they should be proud of. Not that many decades ago,an F1 engine was less complex. Point source failure is an embarrassment the militaries of the world have been tinkering for many decades. How dare MB allow that here. The more pressure on them the better.
Wrong, it broke, because it is a modern Mercedes!
Greetings from Germany
Hanz Kranz yup !
ich fahre 3 altbenze....richtig alte...die laufen alle---neubenze sind aber ein grauen
yup Scotty Kilmer hates new Mercedes'es
Do u even know what a “modem Mercedes” is
Great vid, one of my favorite cars. Towards the end of the vid you do mention oil temp. gauge. All through the vid. I kept thinking that you should have added an oil temperature gauge, oil pressure gauge and better oil cooler since you are using the car for time attack. Hard lesson to learn, costly too. Looking forward to your new engine. Stay safe, keep the vids coming.
Great find by the way thanks for sharing the knowledge!
I bet you got a good deal on the engine?... They are the LS of the MB world.
That sucks, that entire engine is shot, that's going to hurt the wallet.
Now he has a spare supercharger.
jospi2 not really if it seized up cuz of the nom-existend oil flow..
m113s are cheap. most go for well over 400k miles without any issues. its in the SLR running over 600bhp
+ardi du Unlike turbochargers, superchargers don't require an external oil source.
halofreak1990 alright, didn‘t knew, since i never saw a Supercharger in real life, are they equipped with ball / cylinder bearings instead?
Thank you for this video, now I know exactly why I oil pressure is so important! :)
Great forensic analysis
"keep in mind this is a time attack car. I've been using it on the track for the past two years"
Every engine could brake after this .....
You're telling me that with all the computers etc. there wasn't an oil pressure monitor? You would have known right away if that had been the case. and AMG and Mercedes should be ashamed of themselves for not putting a pressure sensor on the oil system.
nisssan and toyota must be laughing in Japanese dialect...
fidel catsro I’d be laughing at Nissans reliability
yes after 2009 Nissan joined with Renault it became question...before that it was a great name
Really sick work man
i’m sorry you had to go through this but i’m glad it was someone off your knowledge that was capable of tracking this issue down and finding it because just like you said you would of continued going on thinking that it was some other kind of issue that wasn’t party related
The way you pronounce "cylinder" is really distracting me for some reason. Never heard anyone pronounce it like that, but I kind of like it.
It makes me a bit angry that an o-ring, something that probably costs pennies, is the reason for an entire being utterly destroyed. It's like a house being burned down because of a single loose wire in one electrical outlet that was caused because of vibration from people walking over time. This is one reason I hate modern engines. There is so many parts, so much complexity, little things could be overlooked and those little things could destroy the engine.
it's cylinder, not sullinder
Great content. Thanks for going into detail.
Very good and thorough analysis of the nonconformities that led to the engine failure. I think that Kevlar reinforcing for their O-rings would help to prevent them from coming apart and becoming a FOD issue, and would be a good engineering improvement for Mercedes in this case. Thanks for the heads up!
2jz swap!
Jarek LS
😂🤣😂 2J all the things!
Put a LS engine in it Save your self tons of money
Beautifully narrated video. Really. He went straight to the point with no drama, gave a ton of information, with no need to draw it out. Obviously he familiarized himself with his subject Before he picked up the camera. Most videos are an agony to watch because of unnecessary yammering, stammering, complete boredom, and some kind of need to be Cecil B. DeMille.. I own an M113k and will be installing a pressure gauge because of the information given on this well done video. Thanks..!
Dude...what a heck!!! What a mess!! Great video and advise for all E55 owners...congrats !!!!!!!!
Benz is over priced junk.. always has been..
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ya sound like a poor
I guess that‘s why you where named Dick.
That's why no one buys German cars.
You know that „American v8“ are made in Germany, too? Eisenwerke Brühl near cologne puts out thousands a year.
Alot of heartache and life changing events can happen when a rubber breaks!
Lol 🍼👶👶
@@flyboy8282 LOL.
Very interesting video, and quite a spectacular engine fail! Incredible to learn that it doesn't have an oil pressure sensor, the last thing I would have expected from such an expensive car.
Thanks for not clickbaiting me, you actually explained it immediately, so many youtubers can actually learn something from you.
Good video and some great detective work by yourself!
My compliments on your approach of this problem. Too bad the engine is lost this way. And yes, a good tip for owners of this type of engines......
WOW great video, very throughout and comprehensive. Would love to see more videos like this. Very shocking Mercedes Benz doesn’t include an oil pressure gauge. Again keep up the great work and keep the videos coming
oh man great tear down.. that o ring.. i have a ml430 hope it does not have a o-ring like that.
your doin great work
If you only fit one oil alert, use a buzzer. You don't have to be looking at the dash at the critical time to get the message. You can also add a pressure gauge and/or warning lamp in parallel. Belt AND suspenders. I used a seat belt buzzer from a crashed Honda.
Great vid! Ive been racing for many years now and I cannot imagine how much money Ive spent on my hobbies over the years... Im pretty sure I could buy a sick house with all that $$- - happy wrenching friend!
Might pay for e55 owners to replace that rubber o-ring and perform some preventative maintenance. Interesting stuff. Looking forward to the tear down of the new (old) engine
jrbuch ideally all rubber type parts should be replaced every couple of years.
That'd cost a fortune no doubt.
Hi from Ireland and 2004 e55 owner great car loads of little bits to do but always puts a smile on my face !! Own 3 Imprezas sti from 94 to 97 and a 07 hatch bought the e55 as a daily driver even though it’s €1800 to tax for the year ! As Andretti said it’s the fastest taxi in the world !
That's astounding that the engineers did not design an oil pressure sensor into the system. Especially on a high-performance engine like this. My W116 has an oil line that runs to the pressure gauge in the dash - super simple, easy to read.
It seems that Mercedes vehicles would be invincible without their rubber components - O-Rings, Harmonic Balancer, Engine Mounts, Suspension Bushings, Air Springs - all common problems and all due to the degradation of the rubber compound. And, apparently, the oil system :(
Great video but sorry this happened to you. Keep up the excellent work!
They are made to fail
Good and systematic investigation to the root cause. Well done!
Very good troubleshooting !
Thanks for the heads Up! Great Video
What a shame that a beautiful engine was wrecked because of a poor design flaw. Sure no low oil light comes on because it’s full but only staying in the pan doing nothing. All cars should have a oil pressure gauge. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for a great video. 👏👏
Thanks for this video! im going to change the o-ring and add an oil pressure guage and visual audible warning while it is in my shop for the winter.
Great work! I will share this, you will save some poor slob a ton o' money. Thanks man!
Very valuable information! Thank you
I have a 1989 Suzuki Swift 1.3 liter dohc with 419000 miles or 674315.136 kilometers and still going strong.
I love engines, don't know much about them though as I'm not a mechanic. Really enjoyed this video, you're so skilled
Great video! So it's a must to change those oil pump O rings when the external oil level sensor starts to lick. I have a 2002 Saab 9-3 with 120k miles, and recently changed all the gaskets, O Rings, etc and I conclude it's the time, the old of the car who plastifies the rubber O rings on the engines and-, of course-, the heat and cold cycles. Also it's a good idea before stops a turbo or intercooled engine to let it COOL down, this way we allow the oil to cool and help those O rings to keep in good shape, but time has no mercy on the rubber, that's why tires manufacturers reccomend to change them, cause they are "old", even if they looks good..
I don't own a Mercedes however very educational and to know this kind of issues existing on AMG engine. Great video
Not an owner of this brand but very informative video and info. Thanks.
man just the fact tht you twin charged your e55 is super dope
Oil pressure check light is a must! Gauge is not, but helps you understand whats going on, helps you judge engine and oil state and if you arent pushing the engine too hard...
That's one skilled analysis.
Sir - The fun you have racing has a higher purpose and this is it. Every MB owner of any engine without at least a big red light needs it - also preventative service - and legal if it’s too late. And spare replacement engines properly torn-down and upgraded ready to install.
If you can find the smoking gun of engines -mb and others - you have a huge future ! Great 👍 catch.
What awesome forensic work on this. To be honest an Oil Pressure warning would probably come too late, but to have it come on and have a mechanic tell you that it's going to cost upwards of $2Grand to replace the $3.00 O Ring, maybe they left the pressure sensor off on purpose.
Absolutely a great video! Here is my solution! When your MB engine gets older, use a seal conditioner in the oil along with a quart of Motorkote to stop the heat of friction. Of course your application is racing, and most racing engines are torn down after so mile hrs and cycles. So, I would think the average MB owner would see a good o-ring for many more miles.
Incredible detail and understanding of the engine design. I thoroughly enjoyed watching your explanation. What is your background, how do you know so much about Mercedes engines?