1984 Angle Open - Match 4 - Nelson Burton Jr. vs Pete Weber
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- This is the championship match of the 1984 Angle Open at Dick Weber Lanes in Florissant, MO on Feb 11, 1984. Nelson Burton Jr., takes on the #1 qualifer, Pete Weber, bowling at the lanes he grew up at. Dick Weber joined Chris Shenkel that day, which I'm sure was nerve racking, watching his son, Pete bowl. It was a record setting day for Nelson Burton, Jr., setting the mark for the highest 4 game set bowled on TV, up to that point. Read on... and don't forget to visit www.mrbowling300.com and give us your comments at forums.mrbowling300.com
$125,000 ANGLE OPEN
Dick Weber Lanes, Florissant, Mo., Feb 6-11, 1984
Burton Angles Record
Nelson Burton Jr. bowled a record-breaking four-game series as he captured the $125,000 Angle Open. The PBA Hall of Famer and ABC-TV's expert commentator qualified fourth for the stepladder finals and averaged 262, totaling 1050 for the afternoon en route to the $20,000 top prize and his 17th PBA championship.
Burton's first victim was Paul Gibson, 278-218. Marshall Holman went down next, 279-217. The tightest match was against Pete Couture who pressured Burton to roll a 10th frame double, which Burton did, to record a 257-249 victory.
Top-seeded Pete Weber could not keep up with Burton's strike blitz, losing 236-184, in the familiar surroundings of Dick Weber Lanes. Burton's series surpassed the previous record of 1021 set by Larry Laub in 1972.
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Burton was lights out on this day. Notice how his demeanor was very workmanlike with no showboating. I miss that era!
I agree with you I miss those days too....
My goodness, if Bo didn't robbed on those shots, he threw close to a perfect game! Bo was a classic pro out there on the lanes and an excellent commentator.
graceful at winning or losing. Real man's man.
I remember this match. Maybe the best series ever bowled on TV. Burton’s mechanics were incredible. And I loved the WAY he won.
@@MyVinster Pete weber finally grew up
Weighs in at 140 now lol.
Burton Jr bowling dad in '66 and bowling Pete in '84. Bo Burton Jr is freakin awesome.
In 1970 I was 14 years old and kept score at Westminster Lanes in Westminster California in Orange County California. I kept score during the 10 game marathon which started at midnight and usually ended around 5 am. One night the doors opened and a little entourage entered the place and in the middle was Bo Burton. Ohs and ahs went up all over the place. He proceeded to shoot 174 the first game and all the big house bowlers were saying under their breaths: " this guy ain't special we can whip his ass". He then proceeded to bowl 9 games never under 235. So much for that eh! That was the year he won Bowler of the Year in the PBA.
All considered, this was best bowling - by Nelson Burton Jr. - that you'll ever see. He was also the best analyst.
Agreed!!!
Was watching this the day it aired on ABC in 1984 WOW now thats bowling!!
Makes we feel 15 years old again. So enjoyed watching this every week with my father.
nobody called a bowling match better than chris schenkel, so courteous and gracious and it was nice having dick webber on hand to fill in for nelson.
Buck did a great job on Top Star Bowling.
@@20alphabet jack buck is sorely missed in the summertime calling cardinal games. It wasn't summer till I heard Jack Buck and Mike Shannon. We were lucky to have jack Buck here in missouri.
Jack Buck was A TRUE PROFESSIONAL & Classy all the way! Same with Chris Schenkel
This would have to be one of the best telecasts I've seen! Fantastic bowling!
I was in Pewaukee Wisconsin entered in a tournament waiting for our squad to begin & watching Nelson Burton's Jr performance. It was truly awesome. I was 23 then. And I recalled as a little boy watching Burton in the 1960's Era being just as talented. Truely a remarkable performance over 4 games. Just crushed everything in his path. EYE OF THE TIGER !
I remember watching this as a kid. Bo was on fire that day. I've seen a lot of different styles, but none more textbook than Bo.
you got that right
My Dad and I watched bowling every Sat, he loved Earl Anthoney.
The Pro Bowlers Tour was a staple of TV watching for me on Saturdays when I was a kid, and Earl Anthony was my favorite bowler as well.
Same here, Great memories watching the PBA tour with my DAD( RIP)🙏🙏
@@BigAl1976 NBC covered the PBA Fall tour for a few years. Jay Randolph did play by play and Earl Anthony was the analyst.
Anthoney was an azzhole in real life.
@@jesse75 it's very believable 🤔
When Bo got the second strike to shut out Couture in the semifinal, the crowd reaction could have been measured on the Richter scale -- two hometown boys in the final. Awesome.
that is the smoothest stroke i've ever seen. very nice nelson.
He was using a Black Hammer, which had medium hook on oily lanes. So, he was able to go very direct and throw those beautiful shots.
I've always loved that this is the AMF Angle open, and Bo is shooting the lights out with a Faball Hammer!!!
Was just going to comment on that. The two original urethane balls, if I recall correctly.
Bo was a stud back in the day. Great anouncer commentator he and Chris. They to me were the Pat Summerall, John Maden of bowling play by play tandums.
Bo was one of my idols growing up as a junior bowler. I looked up to him a lot. When I finally got a chance to meet him I asked him for his autograph and he completely brushed me off. He was beyond rude and he crushed my spirit that day. Needless to say I moved on and started admiring all the other greats.
Funny how all the other storytellers here talk differently about Bo. Are you certain you were talking to him and not his brother?
Could've been during his skirt chasing days, when his wife was cheating. He wound up in jail and suspended for punching a guy who brought it up at a PBA event.
@@20alphabet Wrong.
He punched a fellow bowler because the guy was banging his old lady. It happened in the paddock.
It was him and it was during that time in his life. But I'm just a kid, I didn't know. Really hurt me. I wish I could of bowled against him because I beat Hollman in a Pro-Am and he was pissed. I was with Mark Roth when I beat Marshall. Roth just laughed.
@@Lizardking413lol sorry about that. Also Holman was always the biggest a hole on the tour. I've seen him throw his ball down on the concrete in the pit to intimidate a rookie. Dude was a nut in match play.
Loved the music bumpers going to the commercial breaks. They need to get the tour back on ABC, the popularity of the game will swing back with better national coverage.
i miss the telecasts on saturday afternoons during the winter, we always watched them in the 70's and 80's and league bowl during the week.
Have you seen the telecasts on FOX?
So sad to know that Dick Weber lanes was taken over by Bowlmore and subsequently closed down :( Loved that house
I liked that house too, used to bowl league then Friday night no tap. Big corporations ruined bowling.
It's now a police station
@@golferace2 Bob Toomy ruined a few bowling alleys
Sad indeed!
This was obviously the peak moment in Nelson Burton's career on so many levels; ,he was at the peak of his game, and conditioning.. His wife had a look of complete happiness as well. I am not sure if he won another tournament.
brings back memories I remember watching Nelson Burton Jr. doing this.
i saw this when it was first on TV
Both Dick Weber and Chris Schenkel died in 2005. RIP....
the contrasting styles, nelson with the controlled deliberate stroke and pete's free wheeling high back swing style, both excellent and pleasing to watch.
I remember watching this telecast. Bo was on fire that day.
So many years listening to Bo talk the talk, and was a bit too young to see him bowl it just as well. Not a lot of flash, but consistently solid, classic style. And most of all, he maintained the demeanor of a guy who probably hated to have to beat the kid of one of his good friends.
Lol, he didn't mind beating Pete.
@@20alphabet Yes. Especially since Dick Reminded the TV audience that Nelson had trouble beating the Weber's
I remember watching Nelson clean house..Love those tight strikes!
The St. Louis Bowling Mafia! Great performances by everyone. I don’t remember this show, so I must have been at Gitmo or somewhere else. God how I wanted to see Bo Burton trim that pisspot PDW!
You could tell Dick was a father first here, and a commentator second. :)
Nice retro coverage of bowling🎳 ! Very cool to see what bowling was like back in the 1980s!
I watched this show every week back in the day. I was a Nelson Burton jr fan. A lot of fun
Always loved watching Bo bowl and listening to him when he wasn't bowling. Just saw this video and looked him up only to find out that he passed just over a year ago. RIP Bo.
He is still living... He is 80
that nice inside line. Thats the way i would like to bowl. Nelson is one of the best ever.
Earl Anthony was my neighbor. He said that one time he and Bo were practicing at Burton's center in St. Louis. Earl said Bo rolled 42 consecutive strikes. Damndest thing earl ever saw :)
wow.
Reggie Frederick, Earl was the greatest of all time, you should check out the new book on him.
@@gdobie1west988 On NBC Sports part of the PBA tour, Earl did color work along with Jay Randoph play by play.
@@rockvilleraven I do remember that, sure miss the good old days. I see they finally tore down Golden Pin Lanes here in town, was part of the summer tour, used to go watch the pros for hours, usually following Earl all night long.
@@gdobie1west988 I started bowling duckpins which is a regional version of the sport. There's a documentary called Duckpin on CZcams about it. A couple of years later moved to Tenpins at Brunswick River Bow in Bethesda whicy is now one of those gourmet markets. The tour stop we had was the Fair Lanes Open which alternated between a DC area center and one in Baltimore every other year.
if you ever bowled on Statue of liberty or shark. this is how you do it when you don't throw the ball 20 mph with 450+ revs.
Who better than "Bo" to have been the Tip-Of-The-Week guy for all those years I watched?!
He was like the equivalent of a golf pro doing a helpful-tip segment and watching him drive off the tee straight as an arrow, chip with ease, and never miss a putt. LOL.
Or George Brett teaching us to his .400
Charlie Lau taught all those K.C. Royals how to hit!
Nelson had a great ball reaction that day and he was throwing really good shots.
Two incredible physical games, among the best ever
Man Dick Weber was one handsome man, even as he got old. Nice head of hair as well.
Nelson is so accurate// shooting well over 800 in the era of 700// nelson could not walk down to the rack and lay the ball into the pocket any better//Bo Burton a Legend// nice to see the Hall of Famer Dick Weber// The toughest thing in bowling is to impress your Dad on the Lanes// imagine having the hall of famer Watching you on tv. And you want to impress Dad The hall of famer????
love to Bo Burton tip of the week every Saturday...still use that shit 35+ years later...especially on spares.
a lot easier to maintain the speed & change which board/arrow you're trying to hit then vice versa
except for the 6 and the 10 pin Bo tip was changing feet and using strike ball/mark.
Bo was in some pretty good shape for bowlers back then :)
Most professional bowlers of that time were relatively fit.
thats the hardest ive ever seen a pin get hit without it going down in my endless endless frames bowled or watched.i cannot believe it didnt go down
the contrasting styles of these two great bowlers.
Does anyone else notice the line that Burton was using? A designed shot to drag the oil, down and in few board tuck that his opponents have to cross over the oil he drags as they bowl making Webbers ball come in light. That is genius of Nelson Burton Jr.
Good observation. Didn't realize he was doing that. Dick mentioned him adjusting. I didn't realize that was what he was referring to.
Loved watching bo Burton bowl very smooth you could say he was the right handed version of earl anthony
7:14 Saved by Zero. That would be Pete's theme 7 years later against Del Ballard.
Brutal, but funny.
The gutter ball
Lol, the "Ballard ball" a phrase Bo later coined.
amazing stuff. couple thoughts: (1) Bo was probably at the tail end of the "strokers" era. it's astonishing how little his ball curved. (2) the black Hammer was a GREAT ball and changed bowling from that point forward.
Yes. He had to be extremely accurate because his light hits wouldn't take out the 10 pin.
Bo was at his best that day, probably his last hurrah. I went out to Bob Simonelli at Brooklyn Bowlmart (long gone) and bought a Black Hammer within days after the show. First Time I averaged 190+ was with that ball. I had the ball for 3 years and shot some of my early honor scores and won my first tournament with it. The game was starting change and that ball started the transition IMHO.
totally agree. the Hammer was a great ball, and really changed things. if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the earliest balls to really alter how weight blocks were designed.
The year I graduated from high school. Nellie, Bo Burton. Locked in. I'm pretty certain Dick Weber lanes were laquer and Bo Burton was brought up old school. His dad a Hall of Famer also. Dick Weber was Bo's idol and mine. Millions loved Dick Weber. Sad the place is no longer open as a bowling center. Lot's of pressure on all the Weber boys. Especially Pete. Say what you want about Pete. Tough like his father. Especially in the biggest tournaments.
Bo always excelled on any legitimately authentic conditions.
Burton looks like he hits the weight room as much as the alleys// those arms could make Hulk Hogan Proud!!!!
Small shirt.
very strange time to go to commercial with Mr. Weber mid shot in the 7th. Ill bet that Senior Weber saw the powder keg might easily blow and network played it safe. always GREAT to see Bo win THANK YOU
I used to love Bo’s commentary
This is the first time I remember seeing Nelson Burton, Jr. in the top five. I had always wondered (kiddingly) that if he was giving the "Bowling Tip of the Week", how come he was in the top five more often.
bo was a good-looking man and had some guns!!!!!
Nearly 30 years later, Pete Weber pulled a McEnroe!
Pete Weber has always been a hot head, unlike his father. Maybe he was adopted!! lol
Whoever I thought I was, it turns out he was all along. Who knew?? 😂😂😂
Watching people like Dick Weber and Earl Anthony in bowling was like watching Jack Nicholas And Arnold Palmer in golf inthe 70s and 80s. Competitive and gentlemen.
Palmers prime was 50s and 60s.
I remember having a yellow Angle bowling ball back in the day. Very soft, hooked a ton and I left so many 10 pins with it. Ugh!!! Memories...
Bo just rolled a 300 on 12/28/18 at Jensen Beach Bowl in Florida...
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He's 76. WTF am I doing wrong with my life???
Yea, but in today's bowling, that doesn't mean that much.
@@tenfourproductionsllc r u stupid
@@tenfourproductionsllc
That is an accurate assessment.
While watching Bo, I'm hearing the song "Smooth Operator". 😏
He chased everything in a skirt.
bo went and pumped up the guns before the show!!!!!
I've never forgotten this tournament! Bo was locked in and loaded! Though it does look like a sweet shot was laid down in a oil pattern for the pros to hit.
4:12 Chris Schenkel "That shows maturity" the last time anyone said that about Pete Weber.
Watching Pete stop because of a noise made me think of ESPN with the crowd creaming while they were bowling recently. LOL miss the old days!
nelson was on fire!!!
Angle open, he sets record with a hammer.
Pete was much different then. Much more subdued than later!
I was a kid in st louis and my father was on a league he was in. every week he showed up for league people would ask him whst the hell he was doing there and not on tour. He averaged in the 230s with old crap balls.
Me too. Earl Anthony was my favorite
nelson seems to sneak up to the foul line with little steps. maybe that contributes to his nice smooth looking form.
And then pete went on and became one of the GOATS.
19 years earlier NBJr squared off on TV vs Dick Weber.
I loved the Hammer. I was on the PBA regional tour back then and had my highest cash with that ball. Burton was the consummate professional- Weber turned into a punk.
Pete was always a punk. He was a druggie as a teen, and as big a jerk as you'll ever see. The only reason he didn't get his tail kicked was because his dad was Dick Weber, and the only reason he didn't become a bully was because he was a pipsqueak and posed no threat. As a junior, nobody liked bowling on the pair next to him, but few complained too loudly. If Pete complained to his dad you'd get the stink-eye and sometimes a request to leave.
+20alphabet Petes an outlaw, it's how he is, he's a rough and tough American badass, I respect him for having the nuts to be who he is no matter what and not care what others think, no reason to shut in your feelings and keep em in
what does quitting hs have to do with anything ? He was ready for the pba tour and became the greatest bowler of all time
@@edwardrossman9448 You must be on drugs. Earl Anthony is the greatest of all time. You don't know bowling at all.
@@gdobie1west988 Actually I agree Anthony along with walter ray are the best , then Pete likely #3, still best of the best elite
Nelson Burton Jr. at his best. Absolute shame what has become of bowling under the BPAA controlled USBC.
At 4:51 Dick Weber said, “He’s good and firm at the foul line.” Nobody seemed to laugh at him. In the 1980 Long Island Open the whole crowd laughed at Earl Anthony when he said that his wife Susie told him to stay firm.
Well, Dick Weber was speaking into a TV microphone and not to the folks in the crowd. Earl was speaking into a microphone heard by both TV viewers and the audience. People laughing at Weber would have been in their own homes.
Surprised Jr. didn't win more tournaments with the smooth repeatable form of his. His style won't carry the 10 on light hits so he had to be incredibly accurate.
He retired from bowling in the pba after that tournament if I'm not mistaken.
He cashed regularly.
Weber only weighed 125 at that time?? Damn!! What a lightweight!!
Well...think about how light Norm Duke was at that time.
@@pamelacass9642 oh, for sure!! I agree!! It just seems that people were a lot smaller and lighter back in the 70's and 80's. Maybe it's fast food culture making us all super sized; me included. 😭😂
And he was barely 5'6"
Opening background music - 'Layla' by Derek and the Dominoes.
I thought Jesse Ventura was the 1st announcer in history to get in there and back up what he says. 😂😂
Bo had some guns!
10:26 From my perspective, that was a successful conversion. The ball clipped that 10 pin before going in the moat.
I wonder what happened to Norm Myers son and daughter, I met them both at two of the Angle opens when I kept score
Norm is where Pete got his alcoholism from, early on.
@@20alphabet I never knew that, I personally knew and bowled with Norm's son
@@raymonduelk6567
Yeah, Norm was a big alcoholic. At Del Rio he'd barely be able to walk but once on the approach was nearly impossible to beat. I liked him, Pete not so much.
@@20alphabet I'm also not much of a fan for Pete
@@raymonduelk6567
Nobody who knew PeeWee liked him, especially his wives. Almost everyone I've met who's known Norm has had good things to say, myself included. His only fault was alcohol. Pete was a druggie as a junior bowler.
geez he shot 814 for is first 3 games
Bo wearing a SMEDIUM.
Old school bowling(straight ball)meets new wave(cranker).Nelson imitated Ray Bluth's style,as far as I could tell--very well too.
Averaging 271+ for 3 games!
😯😮😲
Considering this is a month or so before Pete went into rehab for the first time, how much under the influence do you think he is in this match? Especially since it seems he's bowling a lot faster than in other telecasts?
Up the boards wow
People here talk about the contrast of games between Nelson and Pete. However, the real contrast is the class act Dick Weber was as opposed to his malcontent son, Pete.
3:17 if that is wife, he picks them well.
She wasn't always at these events pending how well she healed from the frequent beatings.
See bo Burton bowl in Rochester very smooth hell of a bowler an comentater
i like to watch this match to get some inspiration for my game. pete's great power game and nelson is so smooth.
BO was the man!!! His commentary was second only to Chris Schenkel. For the life of me I don't know why he was not used in place of that sorry excuse randy pedersen!
Anonymous Me agreed
ABC was looking to get out of bowling. The next broadcast network for bowling didn't want to pay more money. Go figure.
RP was a sorry excuse for just about anything.
Pete's 4th frame open ??????????
Would've liked to see that.
it just wasn't pete's day but it sure was for nelson.
Young Pete Weber just happened to catch a hot Nelson Burton Jr at the time.🎳
5:05, fun fact, Chris Schenkel says Dick Weber is 42 but actually at the time he was 44. Gentleman that Dick is he accepted it and didn't bother to correct Chris on air.
Steve I respectfully disagree. I’m pretty sure Dick was close to being a senior as he was already bowling in the senior tourneys a year or so later. Plus I remember he made the finals in St Louis the following year in 1985 and they said he was 55. Maybe you meant he was 54? At any rate I think that was Chris’ dry sense of humor calling him 42.
@@brianolsen6319 I just realized you are quite correct!! I did the math wrong when I wrote that comment. I just Googled it and he was born 12/23/29 making him 54 in 1984. Good catch. 👍
10:10 YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!
Dang, a young Pete Weber.
I remember reading about a game where Bo Burton Jr and his opponent both threw "backup balls" from the left side of the lane to protest the perceived "advantage" lefties had, since that side had very little wear.
1970 or 71. The PBA almost disbanded because of it.
Us lefties were always getting picked on even though Anthony, Aulby and Bohn are 3 of the greatest of all-time..not to mention Mazza, Petraglia, etc.
No doubt. Dude was ripped. You never see the pros on TV look like that anymore.
He didn't always have those guns.