What's more incredible is that a 2017 Outback limited with 80,000 miles still sell for between 20-27 thousand dollars on the used market. Pretty impressive when it's 5 years old now and still almost near the price of it new. Shows the resale value of Subarus are real
@@Simon-xi8tb True. I think it has more to do with Subaru's stellar resale value too. So many cars depreciate by half as soon as they reach 80,000 miles
I enjoyed watching your video on the Outback wagons. I have the 2017 Touring model . With the 3.6.R engine . I love the performance in the engine. It would have nice if the front seats would have more boosters in them for long trips . The over styling both inside and outside the car is really nice . I like the fact that I can play C.D's . In the sound system that the car came with . That is a Big Plus !!" Have a good weekend !" Gene ,
Got this subaru in white and the 3.6. Just put new tires on it, factories wore out after 54,000 miles. I really like it. Probably my favorite vehicle I’ve had to drive. Nothing I really dont like about it.
I got my mom to buy one of these after her accident for safety reasons as well as the excellent awd and practicality. I also got my sister to buy the crosstrek. Before that. I own a '14 WRX hatch and I like my mom's car more lol.
What were you guys think about an Audi a seven, with its 3 L supercharged V-6 producing 333 hp. It’s not too raised and has similar room to the outback, it uses Quattro all wheel drive. Versus a 6 outback with 256 hp and it symmetrical all wheel drive. Are used Audi a seven, is comparable to a new outback. The audi a seven interior is certainly an upgrade. If you had a vote which one?
I own a couple old Foresters, a 2002 and a 2004 XT that's heavily modded and have spend the last decade dailying and racing them as a hobby. I haven't really been in the market for a newer gen for a long time. My brother bought a 2013 Forester XT not long ago, and I had the chance to drive that for a while. I hated it. I was really disappointed in how Subaru chose to set up that version of the Forester. They got a lot of things wrong, and the only saving grace was the suspension did work extremely well soaking up all varieties of bumps. Otherwise it was kind of a mess. To Subaru's benefit, the newest gen is a big change and significantly better. Recently I've been looking at buying a new car. The Outback 3.6R is one I'm looking at. I test drove one and was thoroughly impressed. Subaru did a ton of things right with the vehicle. There are a lot of fundamental concepts Subaru nailed, and I was particularly impressed with how well Subaru refined the driving inputs. Every input be it throttle, steering, or brakes is all very linear and intuitive. There's no second guessing or need for corrections. The whole chassis feels solid and moves as one, including the squishy bits which can be hard to sync. Many cars feel disjointed where you can feel subframe and suspension components shift around independently and out of phase with each other. It makes for a messy and hard to discern driving experience. Subaru has really done extremely well at creating a coherent chassis that behaves as one. There is body roll, dive, and squat, but it feels natural and well controlled. The spring rates are well chosen and damping is rather premium offering arguably the best ride Subaru's created to date for their cars. The previous generations were not nearly as good. I was particularly impressed with the brakes. The pedal was instant, not overly boosted, and felt very linear and easy to modulate. Pad choice was excellent with great bite and easy control. It also provided consistent stopping friction from start to finish with zero need for adjustment in pedal effort. The pedal was quite precise in action and with no slop. The instant you touched the pedal, you were braking. I'm a manual guy, grew up with them, only have them, and have religiously avoided autos. I love the CVT. I think it works slick, and Subaru's implementation works great. In fact many reviews tend to state it's basically the best implementation of CVT on the market, and it feels that way. It's quite good and lacks of the faults of the classic slush box. While I'd always favor the STI 6-speed on every car Subaru makes, they just won't do it. Despite this constant disappointment, I'm all for the CVT. It's remarkably good.
It's worth a go. There's no harm in a test drive. Heck, there's only fun. Plus make an effort to test against competing vehicles. Everyone has interests in certain traits in a car. Maybe it's seat comfort, low cabin noise, a rockin' stereo, ride quality (of a certain ideal), handling dynamics, cargo room , tow rating, etc. etc. In the end, you pick the best mix. No one knows your ideal mix nor what car fits that. As for my experience, I liked the car. It did a lot of things well. Coming from heavily modded turbos and turbos in general, the naturally aspirated engine will always lack the midrange punch of the turbo options, even relatively small 4 cylinders. However, it's a little deceiving because you put your foot in it and you'll quickly be up to speed without noticing. HP is more subtle than a big torque shove, but HP is really the thing getting you up to speed. The only thing that one really sees in the Outback is the interior is a little plain. Even though it's refreshed, it already has a sense of being outdated. Basically, Subaru went a little too conservative with recent design work. They played safe in styling. Safe can be somewhat timeless though. My 04 interior looks modern still, and it was a moderate leap up from the early gen cars. Subaru did try a little bit of fancy styling with the previous gen Forester with a more swoopy interior, similar style concepts seen often in BMWs and such. However, it was a bit superficial and cheap feeling. It was something they could have kept working on though, but they didn't. They kind of went back to their roots and made everything more utilitarian. Everything's rugged, and they did well with touch points, especially the current Forester. It's a slightly different approach from the Legacy/Outback styling but almost feels and looks better overall but also does so with a more utilitarian look to boot. I'm waiting to get a hold of a Forester XT from my local dealer to test drive, but I sat in one at last year's auto show. Basically the Forester looks and feels really good as a back to roots utility vehicle but with great emphasis on touch points. They did great work with it. The Legacy/Outback in my eyes are just too understated. They needed to really push their luxury boundaries, but they just didn't. They went simple and subtle resulting in a ho-hum not so inspiring interior. It's not bad per say, just too plain for the modern competition. For example, I test drove a new Mazda CX9, and they did very well with their interior, feels very upscale and at the same price range as the Subaru. It's a worthy SUV to compare against, although that vehicle feels a bit green. It lacks some of the refinements that will come with age, so the chassis is a little busy and driver inputs aren't handled as nice. There's just so many vehicles out there to pick from. Jeep Cherokees are priced in the same range and not bad vehicles (I need to go test drive one). I've been in the Grand Cherokees, and they're pretty plush and float over the road. Entry level models are in the ballpark, and used will get some higher end trims into the same price range. Then you have BMW with the X1 and X3 available around the price, especially a year or two old, X5 too with a few years. Audi has a few options but spendy outside of the used market. Heck, you can pick up some not so old Porsche Cayennes cheap, especially the base V6 model. Oddly, the sporty GTS is cheap for the year range as I think some shy away from the manual transmission. Then you can get into something more traditional like a Dodge Durango which is pretty affordable and a rugged vehicle. There's so many choices. Unfortunately I've driven so few.
@@pleco101 I feel safer in any car with better tires. Good weight balance, low overall weight, and good suspension also heavily influence peak grip levels and chassis control. Awd helps you go, but it doesn't help you brake or turn. An awd system with mechanical locking style diffs improve stability in uneven terrain, up until the point the car is largely stable and static until the external forces make the entire car rotate rather than most open diff setups where individual tires grip slip and generates uneven movements when terrain is uneven. There is internally less stability. All Subarus besides the STI have open diffs and rely on the abs sensors to read rotation speed and make corrections with the brake. This is comparatively sluggish and uneven compared to the mechanical locking diff setup like the STI has. Any brand, any model, often the critical difference is the manufacturers willingness to use limited slip diffs. So few do, including Subaru. Subaru does benefit from the electric center diff and all time and which helps some with torque delivery and response. It's faster than the fwd turn awd once tires spin style systems many brands use. However, nothing is as good as old fashioned mechanical locking diffs. This makes the STI rather special, as well as drive and feel moderately different than other Subarus and most other cars on uneven terrain. With all that said, #1 is always, ALWAYS tires. I will happily drive a Geo Metro on snow tires versus a STI on summers. The Metro will do laps around the STI. I say this as a 15 year Subaru owner, an individual born and raised in the upper Midwest with 25 years of winter driving, and as a hobbyist racer of over a decade with autocross and rallycross (albeit way too poor for road rally). Tires are (almost) everything.
I own this car and have one complaint. The paint! It seems like it wasn't applied with a decent clear coat and just doesn't have the "shine" I would expect in other new cars. Don't know if all Subarus suffer from this or only mine. What do you all think of Subaru's paint jobs?
@@christopherwoodard2616I've a 2010 v6, won't run on e10 fuel plays up terrible. A few issues over the years, parts are very expensive in Australia, plenty of power, quick on acceleration, heavy on steering, there ok, handles well, correct oil and other, a good car, other than road noise apparently it's common even with brand new ones.
Hopefully build quality is better in this new one than in my 2012 which began rattling after 5 weeks. The CVT is terrible if you're into driving and the Nav was slower than an old man using a paper map. I ditched mine after 10 months and upgraded to a Volvo XC70 T6. It is everything a Outback was not and I had none of the issues as well.
I was in a resale store parking lot and happended to notice MOST of the vehicles were Subarus. I went to another resale store and guess what? Yup mostly Subarus. Then I went to the beauty shop my wife gets her hair done. I couldnt believe it! More than HALF the cars were Subarus. Again. Ok, I live in Northern Michigan , could that be why? I think so. My wife LOVES it. She drives it every day in All winter. Even on All ice, the Subaru is BOSS here in NORTHEN MICHIGAN!
I love those Blizzack tires. I use them on my 2006 Forester and I just laugh at those people driving those 4wd truck and SUV getting stuck and not moving.
I own this car and think it's the best car I have ever owned. I don't understand why people call it a station wagon, since it is almost identical to most mid SUVs
The 13T-TD04 is too small of a turbo for this engine size. It's too small for the 2.5L and barely ok for the 2.0L. You should be up around the GTX3076R range of turbo for the engine size. Also, before you say twin turbo, no, the dual turbo setup will not yield as broad a power band as the single turbo setup, especially the GTX3076R which offers one of the broadest power bands available of any turbo on the market. By power band I mean operating range from being able to make boost in low rpm up to how high it can keep making boost. The GTX3076R is a great fit for the 3.6L size and an outstandingly useful turbo overall. For those that don't want to mess with custom stuff, Raptor makes a supercharger kit for the 3.6L engine. They also make headers.
damacknificent151 I’ve had the six cylinder like this for two years in East Tennessee. Mix of weather no over heating issues after 37 thousand. Not saying others hasn’t.
I wish Subaru could give the driver the chance to disengage the all wheel drive system to save some gas in downtown and on the highway. Just one more button in the console.
Mais le Subaru Outback 3.6, c'est le meilleur de tous! Acheté en 2016, c'est toujours comme neuf, rien a l'air de s'user! Rien pour battre ça! Le moteur est le même que ceux des avions, six cylindres a plat.
This review summarizes many of the 3.6 R's virtues quite well. It's a wonderful car.
Good video and good for telling people its on premium winter tires.
Awesome review and like the honesty. Half these car reviews sound like commercials but yours was short and to the point.
What's more incredible is that a 2017 Outback limited with 80,000 miles still sell for between 20-27 thousand dollars on the used market. Pretty impressive when it's 5 years old now and still almost near the price of it new. Shows the resale value of Subarus are real
and inflation dude, don't forget about that
@@Simon-xi8tb True. I think it has more to do with Subaru's stellar resale value too. So many cars depreciate by half as soon as they reach 80,000 miles
PLUS..... back seats are HEATED!!!!!!! People always forget to mention that. Overall, I really liked your review.
Yes they are! something my passengers are suprised to hear and LOVE THEM TOO.
perfect for uber
Really good video and test drive, you've really outdone yourself. I love Subaru.
Superb review
Love that color
A very good review, thanks.
I enjoyed watching your video on the Outback wagons. I have the 2017
Touring model . With the 3.6.R engine . I love the performance in the engine.
It would have nice if the front seats would have more boosters in them for long trips .
The over styling both inside and outside the car is really nice .
I like the fact that I can play C.D's . In the sound system that the car came with . That is a Big Plus !!"
Have a good weekend !"
Gene ,
Got this subaru in white and the 3.6. Just put new tires on it, factories wore out after 54,000 miles. I really like it. Probably my favorite vehicle I’ve had to drive. Nothing I really dont like about it.
This is the first green one with a black leather interior omg I want this
Great review of this wagonoid
Perfect wagon for Canadian weather
Hey is there any way you can test the manual 2.5i version. Thanks
I really want one of these
We got a Crosstrek and after 2 Canadian Mountain Winters were taking by the ultra sure handling in any condition-also averages 38 mpg...
I got my mom to buy one of these after her accident for safety reasons as well as the excellent awd and practicality. I also got my sister to buy the crosstrek. Before that. I own a '14 WRX hatch and I like my mom's car more lol.
How'd you get a green exterior with black interior? I haven't seen that yet, but I love it!!
What were you guys think about an Audi a seven, with its 3 L supercharged V-6 producing 333 hp. It’s not too raised and has similar room to the outback, it uses Quattro all wheel drive. Versus a 6 outback with 256 hp and it symmetrical all wheel drive. Are used Audi a seven, is comparable to a new outback. The audi a seven interior is certainly an upgrade. If you had a vote which one?
I am glad they had winter tires.
I own a couple old Foresters, a 2002 and a 2004 XT that's heavily modded and have spend the last decade dailying and racing them as a hobby. I haven't really been in the market for a newer gen for a long time. My brother bought a 2013 Forester XT not long ago, and I had the chance to drive that for a while. I hated it. I was really disappointed in how Subaru chose to set up that version of the Forester. They got a lot of things wrong, and the only saving grace was the suspension did work extremely well soaking up all varieties of bumps. Otherwise it was kind of a mess. To Subaru's benefit, the newest gen is a big change and significantly better.
Recently I've been looking at buying a new car. The Outback 3.6R is one I'm looking at. I test drove one and was thoroughly impressed. Subaru did a ton of things right with the vehicle. There are a lot of fundamental concepts Subaru nailed, and I was particularly impressed with how well Subaru refined the driving inputs. Every input be it throttle, steering, or brakes is all very linear and intuitive. There's no second guessing or need for corrections. The whole chassis feels solid and moves as one, including the squishy bits which can be hard to sync. Many cars feel disjointed where you can feel subframe and suspension components shift around independently and out of phase with each other. It makes for a messy and hard to discern driving experience. Subaru has really done extremely well at creating a coherent chassis that behaves as one. There is body roll, dive, and squat, but it feels natural and well controlled. The spring rates are well chosen and damping is rather premium offering arguably the best ride Subaru's created to date for their cars. The previous generations were not nearly as good. I was particularly impressed with the brakes. The pedal was instant, not overly boosted, and felt very linear and easy to modulate. Pad choice was excellent with great bite and easy control. It also provided consistent stopping friction from start to finish with zero need for adjustment in pedal effort. The pedal was quite precise in action and with no slop. The instant you touched the pedal, you were braking. I'm a manual guy, grew up with them, only have them, and have religiously avoided autos. I love the CVT. I think it works slick, and Subaru's implementation works great. In fact many reviews tend to state it's basically the best implementation of CVT on the market, and it feels that way. It's quite good and lacks of the faults of the classic slush box. While I'd always favor the STI 6-speed on every car Subaru makes, they just won't do it. Despite this constant disappointment, I'm all for the CVT. It's remarkably good.
you're convincing me to go test one lol
It's worth a go. There's no harm in a test drive. Heck, there's only fun. Plus make an effort to test against competing vehicles. Everyone has interests in certain traits in a car. Maybe it's seat comfort, low cabin noise, a rockin' stereo, ride quality (of a certain ideal), handling dynamics, cargo room , tow rating, etc. etc. In the end, you pick the best mix. No one knows your ideal mix nor what car fits that.
As for my experience, I liked the car. It did a lot of things well. Coming from heavily modded turbos and turbos in general, the naturally aspirated engine will always lack the midrange punch of the turbo options, even relatively small 4 cylinders. However, it's a little deceiving because you put your foot in it and you'll quickly be up to speed without noticing. HP is more subtle than a big torque shove, but HP is really the thing getting you up to speed.
The only thing that one really sees in the Outback is the interior is a little plain. Even though it's refreshed, it already has a sense of being outdated. Basically, Subaru went a little too conservative with recent design work. They played safe in styling. Safe can be somewhat timeless though. My 04 interior looks modern still, and it was a moderate leap up from the early gen cars. Subaru did try a little bit of fancy styling with the previous gen Forester with a more swoopy interior, similar style concepts seen often in BMWs and such. However, it was a bit superficial and cheap feeling. It was something they could have kept working on though, but they didn't. They kind of went back to their roots and made everything more utilitarian. Everything's rugged, and they did well with touch points, especially the current Forester. It's a slightly different approach from the Legacy/Outback styling but almost feels and looks better overall but also does so with a more utilitarian look to boot. I'm waiting to get a hold of a Forester XT from my local dealer to test drive, but I sat in one at last year's auto show. Basically the Forester looks and feels really good as a back to roots utility vehicle but with great emphasis on touch points. They did great work with it. The Legacy/Outback in my eyes are just too understated. They needed to really push their luxury boundaries, but they just didn't. They went simple and subtle resulting in a ho-hum not so inspiring interior. It's not bad per say, just too plain for the modern competition. For example, I test drove a new Mazda CX9, and they did very well with their interior, feels very upscale and at the same price range as the Subaru. It's a worthy SUV to compare against, although that vehicle feels a bit green. It lacks some of the refinements that will come with age, so the chassis is a little busy and driver inputs aren't handled as nice.
There's just so many vehicles out there to pick from. Jeep Cherokees are priced in the same range and not bad vehicles (I need to go test drive one). I've been in the Grand Cherokees, and they're pretty plush and float over the road. Entry level models are in the ballpark, and used will get some higher end trims into the same price range. Then you have BMW with the X1 and X3 available around the price, especially a year or two old, X5 too with a few years. Audi has a few options but spendy outside of the used market. Heck, you can pick up some not so old Porsche Cayennes cheap, especially the base V6 model. Oddly, the sporty GTS is cheap for the year range as I think some shy away from the manual transmission. Then you can get into something more traditional like a Dodge Durango which is pretty affordable and a rugged vehicle.
There's so many choices. Unfortunately I've driven so few.
Xmvw2X I had a 2009 forester loved it can't wait to get another one might try for the 2016.
Except, launch forward to today - and Honda has the cvt that all the reviews are raving about.
@@pleco101 I feel safer in any car with better tires. Good weight balance, low overall weight, and good suspension also heavily influence peak grip levels and chassis control. Awd helps you go, but it doesn't help you brake or turn. An awd system with mechanical locking style diffs improve stability in uneven terrain, up until the point the car is largely stable and static until the external forces make the entire car rotate rather than most open diff setups where individual tires grip slip and generates uneven movements when terrain is uneven. There is internally less stability. All Subarus besides the STI have open diffs and rely on the abs sensors to read rotation speed and make corrections with the brake. This is comparatively sluggish and uneven compared to the mechanical locking diff setup like the STI has. Any brand, any model, often the critical difference is the manufacturers willingness to use limited slip diffs. So few do, including Subaru. Subaru does benefit from the electric center diff and all time and which helps some with torque delivery and response. It's faster than the fwd turn awd once tires spin style systems many brands use. However, nothing is as good as old fashioned mechanical locking diffs. This makes the STI rather special, as well as drive and feel moderately different than other Subarus and most other cars on uneven terrain.
With all that said, #1 is always, ALWAYS tires. I will happily drive a Geo Metro on snow tires versus a STI on summers. The Metro will do laps around the STI. I say this as a 15 year Subaru owner, an individual born and raised in the upper Midwest with 25 years of winter driving, and as a hobbyist racer of over a decade with autocross and rallycross (albeit way too poor for road rally). Tires are (almost) everything.
I own this car and have one complaint. The paint! It seems like it wasn't applied with a decent clear coat and just doesn't have the "shine" I would expect in other new cars. Don't know if all Subarus suffer from this or only mine. What do you all think of Subaru's paint jobs?
I have the 16 Outback 3.6, no regrets.
I've been saving my money for a year to get the 2010 3.6 Subaru So you think that's a good investment?
How do you like CVT transmission?
I've a 2010 v6, plays up terribly on e10 fuel.
@@christopherwoodard2616I've a 2010 v6, won't run on e10 fuel plays up terrible. A few issues over the years, parts are very expensive in Australia, plenty of power, quick on acceleration, heavy on steering, there ok, handles well, correct oil and other, a good car, other than road noise apparently it's common even with brand new ones.
Big buttery smooth naturally aspirated flat 6 sounds really appealing, forget the fuel economy.
Hopefully build quality is better in this new one than in my 2012 which began rattling after 5 weeks. The CVT is terrible if you're into driving and the Nav was slower than an old man using a paper map. I ditched mine after 10 months and upgraded to a Volvo XC70 T6. It is everything a Outback was not and I had none of the issues as well.
Well, you are talking about a different class of car, no?
I just bought the 2018 model, 3.6r......it’s a fantastic car.
Glad you're enjoying it!
@@autotrader_ca , thanks mate. Appreciate your video.
I was in a resale store parking lot and happended to notice MOST of the vehicles were Subarus. I went to another resale store and guess what? Yup mostly Subarus. Then I went to the beauty shop my wife gets her hair done. I couldnt believe it! More than HALF the cars were Subarus. Again. Ok, I live in Northern Michigan , could that be why? I think so. My wife LOVES it. She drives it every day in All winter. Even on All ice, the Subaru is BOSS here in NORTHEN MICHIGAN!
i MUST buy one...our Kenyan CID normally use Subarus and specifically the outback...there's a reason and y'all know why...hehe
Wait, so I can't get a manual if I get the bigger engine? That seems counter-intuitive
How many cc
👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
An Outback or Legacy with the 3.6 is the only option imo. The 2.5 is gutless.
I love those Blizzack tires. I use them on my 2006 Forester and I just laugh at those people driving those 4wd truck and SUV getting stuck and not moving.
@@pleco101 duhh
I kind a wish they would've did it without snow tires Those can make even a front wheel drive into a very capable snowmachine.
Dude state mpg. Probably more people in the USA watch your videos
I own this car and think it's the best car I have ever owned. I don't understand why people call it a station wagon, since it is almost identical to most mid SUVs
lucky it is insurance would cost more for SUVs
This + TD04 and Haltec ecu
Would be a amazing custom power wagon .. mite even get better gas mileage with added power hmm
The 13T-TD04 is too small of a turbo for this engine size. It's too small for the 2.5L and barely ok for the 2.0L. You should be up around the GTX3076R range of turbo for the engine size. Also, before you say twin turbo, no, the dual turbo setup will not yield as broad a power band as the single turbo setup, especially the GTX3076R which offers one of the broadest power bands available of any turbo on the market. By power band I mean operating range from being able to make boost in low rpm up to how high it can keep making boost. The GTX3076R is a great fit for the 3.6L size and an outstandingly useful turbo overall.
For those that don't want to mess with custom stuff, Raptor makes a supercharger kit for the 3.6L engine. They also make headers.
the ability to pretend shift 🤣🤣🤣👌👌
have you ever heard this engine with straight pipe? xd
It gets hot when its cold outside? Overheating issues?
damacknificent151 I’ve had the six cylinder like this for two years in East Tennessee. Mix of weather no over heating issues after 37 thousand. Not saying others hasn’t.
I wish Subaru could give the driver the chance to disengage the all wheel drive system to save some gas in downtown and on the highway. Just one more button in the console.
Just pull the fuse. It sets codes but hey. Who cares?
pretty sure AWD can't just be "disengaged" like 4WD
Dude, just use mpg and mph... You probably have more American viewers, than Canadian.
$40k !!! For a 3.6R ??? I don't think so.
Kevin O'Neill you can get it down to the 35 to 37k range. Also, yes it absolutely is.
Try $53.000 for mine in 2010. 14 years later still strong.
Subarus are absolutely overrated. They still have not fixed all their oil leaks, coolant leaks and head gasket issues.
Mais le Subaru Outback 3.6, c'est le meilleur de tous! Acheté en 2016, c'est toujours comme neuf, rien a l'air de s'user! Rien pour battre ça! Le moteur est le même que ceux des avions, six cylindres a plat.