How to convert Magpul MOE adjustable-stock to "featureless" tool-adjust fixed stock. Free. No drill.
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2017
- This video shows 2 ways to convert your adjustable, Magpul MOE stock to a fixed stock (for "featureless" builds) for free without drilling or marring the MOE stock. The converted stock can then be length-adjusted through the use of a tool.
Method 1 Items needed:
* A small (preferably black) screw, app 1/4" long by x 1/16" diameter (as measured between the outside edges of the threads).
* A small screwdriver for that screw.
Method 2 Items needed:
* 3/32" roll pin punch
* 3/16" roll pin punch (or perhaps a 3/16" diameter pin or bolt).
* Hammer
* Pliers
* 6d (~11.5-gauge, .096" diameter) nail app. 1-2" long. Or similar. It can't be too thick or else the roll pin won't reinsert into the stock through slot in the adjustment-pin.
* Small, thin, ~18-gauge (0.04" diameter) nail, app. 1" long. It can't be too thick or else the roll-pin won't reinsert into the stock through slot in the adjustment-pin. A paper clip won't work because it's too easily bendable to retain the spring.
* ~3/4" -1.5" piece of scrap wood or plastic, or maybe a book.
* Towel, cloth, or pad (optionally to prevent marring of MOE stock, and/or table surface).
Best DIY method I’ve seen so far. Turning a four minute video into a 15 minute rambling nightmare was a small price to pay :)
Agree!
Thanks for posting, I thought it was just me! It was helpful but good lord...
The best solutions are usually easy! Thanks for coming up with an awesome idea! I love it and it works beautifully.
Absolute genius ideas. And I like that these approaches should work on other stocks as well.
Thank you from another citizen of the non-free state of CA. Used approach #2 (removing the cross piece), worked great. Your instructions were very helpful. I was tempted to go with the little screw approach -- very clever, bravo! -- but I was sold on the elegance of the 2nd solution, plus the tool/adjustment process is much easier and there is no screw to lose.
By the way I found that with my Magpul's rollpin, the 3/32" didn't really want to go through, but the 5/64" worked like a champ (my Harbor Freight was out of roll pin punches, but the GRIP 9-piece set at Home Depot was only $9.25)
I’m subscribing for a few reasons, 1. Great Methods, 2. I also live in California so I am looking for ways to make my Magpul MOE stock compliant. And 3. I think you sound like the Bob Ross of guns. :)
Thank you! The second option is the PERFECT solution, did it with no problems.
Thanks for the video! I would have never thought of this
Thanks for this. Going to try it this weekend.
Thanks for sharing. Best solution I've seen so far.
Saved me a ton of time and money. I didnt use nails tho i did the entire job with 3 roll pin punches and a hammer.
This is a perfect solution for me. I am building an AR10 and it comes with this stock so I'll be all set. It comes in handy also for making the profile of the rifle or lower as short as possible then adjusting it out at the range. I'll order my CA grip on ebay for $9.95 and swap the flash hider with a muzzle break and I'm good to go for just a few bucks.
Well done. The second method fits me better. Thanx for your time!
Thank you! This same method worked great on my Magpul CTR stock, I just had to remove the hinge cover thing roll pin first and the rest was the exact same👍🏻😎
Cool! Happy to hear that the video helped! That CTR stock is nice!
Excellent presentation, clean, effective and compliant with the Law. I will definitely be using option 2 when my MOE comes in from PSA. I live in NY for my only reasonable option to keep my AR rifles appearing as they should is the use of a modified bolt catch to remove the semiautomatic character of the rifle. That's next. Thanks for sharing these techniques.
I went with Method #2 myself. Works great. If you haven't built an AR15 from a kit before, I'd recommend the assembly technique at the following video link because the guy shows how to avoid using a hammer and therefore avoid the risk of marring your receiver. I used his method and it was easy. You may also want to consider polishing the trigger components before assembly. (Lots of CZcams videos on that. Wish I had.) FYI: I installed a Strike Industries finned grip ($15 on Ebay) and a Rousche SCA muzzle break ($16 on Ebay) in order to make my PSA AR15 "featureless" and CA-compliant. I also installed an ambidextrous safety ($13 on Ebay) to make it easier to flip the safety since (for right-handed shooters) the grip-fin blocks your thumb-reach to the standard left-side safety. czcams.com/video/uZUm3UghtP8/video.html
Nice idea with the #2 method.ill be going that route. Thanks!
Dave, An idea like that..so simple no cutting drilling etc....deserves a subs, man. Good job bro. Look us up too here on YOU TUBE!
Thank you for helping me make my AR NJ compliant!
I’m here for that same reason
This video is so underrated it hurts!Genius hack! Great video! Awesome work!!!
Thanks! Hope it helps!
@@DaveRaveVideo it did! I did option 2 today! Thanks!
@@howitesla7848 : Woo Hoo! Happy shooting!
Great info thanks. I purchased a Magpul complete lower kit from PSA then figured out I needed to fix the stock somehow. Now I know.
Happy to hear that my video helped. For a much easier method to achieve the 2nd option, you may want to try the method that ObYagTxha described in the comments below. He wrote, "Use pliers to twist the “notched” cross rod 180 degree (half turn), then it can be pull straight out." Others commented that this method works.
This is badass. Though my stock basically has a bullet button now and it's pissing me off just on principle.
But instead of nails I just used the 2 smallest allen keys I could find. It seems the only time I need nails I can't find any. But for some reason I have a bunch of allen keys everywhere at all times.
Great fix man 👍🏾. I was just using the strike industry stop. At least this way I can move the stock for travel and or new shooters. Thanks.
I normally just pin my CTR stocks in place with a paper clip underneath the crossbar, but the new DT stock doesn't have a hole for the paperclip to go through. I followed method 2 to remove the crossbar, and it works great.
Worked great 👍
Marvelous! You deserve a dozen doughnuts.
Thanks for the info
Genius!!
This video was so damn poetic and relaxing..... reminds me of a Bob Ross episode..... thanks for the video guy!!!!..... I'm going to go with your 2nd method..... this is for my PC9, i just ordered the Midwest industries chassis for it and have to pin my CTR stock and was wondering how the hell am I gonna get it done!!.... thanks again for the video guy!!!
I think you're the 2nd person who compared me to Bob Ross. LOL. Happy to hear that my video helped. For a much easier method to achieve the 2nd option, you may want to try the method that ObYagTxha described in the comments below. He wrote, "Use pliers to twist the “notched” cross rod 180 degree (half turn), then it can be pull straight out." Others commented that this method works.
Thank you!
Awesome. Thanks.
Life saver 🙌
Perfect
I have a system to fix my stocks I make a square nut to fit in the buffer tube slot but not drop in the adjustment hole. The square nut is tapped to match a allen keyed cap screw and a washer to support the screw head. Drop the square nut in the slot slide the stock on and start the screw once the screw is started adjust the stock for position and tighten the screw..
Here's an idea for a buffer tube with a blade or brace IF the ATF decides they are also "evil". Remove the brace/blade leaving the bare buffer tube. It may still have the rail on the bottom for an adjustable type "stock". Then slip over a section of foam "floaty" with the correct interior diameter hole. It will provide a cheek rest of comfortable foam and it can be slipped off in less than a second IF need be.
I actually made this mod. Really hard. I have all the tools, but you'd think MAGPUL put in the roll pin w/ locktite! In the end, too hard to do, and too hard to undo. I got the Strike Industries Stock Stop product instead. It was about $8. I got one for my brother as well. I wouldn't follow their directions though. I'd cut it to the exact specs you want so that there's zero play when you use the adjuster lever. Easy on, easy off....and really does lock the stock.
$28 at a ar store in the Kalifornia LoL has a fixed Magpul that fits your carbine lenght .... just ordered one so I can get rid of my A2 looking one. In MA we would have to chose a length and "weld" the pin so we can not change...ugh...
Just wrap it with camo tape. Less then 10 bucks super simple to wrap around your stock and it makes your check welded much more comfortable
If you simply wrap an adjustable stock with tape, California's DOJ would consider your AR-15 to be an illegal assault weapon. To meet the CA DOJ's requirements, adjusting the stock length must require a tool. No tool is required to remove tape.
What is the name of that spring that creates the tension?
Thanks for the Video.... That is a great fix, for a Stupid problem created just for California Gun Owners...... I already bought the replacement pin, so that's done, but its a great fix for anybody unlucky enough to have to move here.
Hi, late to the party, but what do you mean by 3/8 x 1/6 diameter?
do you have a screw size for this? Would it be a #0 or #1? .16 inch diameter or .0625 diamter (1/16)?
a set screw or a machine screw?
I don't have a workshop full of screws and I would like to try this #1 method.
-Thanks from CA.
I used a screw that was 1/4" long by 1/16" in diameter (between the outside edges of the threads). I just fixed my screw-size typo in the video's description. Sorry!
Does anyone know where to find that small of a screw (1/16")?
Maybe an Ace or True Value hardware store? I probably pulled that screw from a piece of electronics that I was about to recycle. If you don't mind buying a pack of screws, something like the M1.2*5 screw in this screw-pack should work. www.amazon.com/Phillips-Micro-Screws-Self-Tapping-Electronic/dp/B07GKXMSVR
Twist & pull to remove the locking pin. Didnt have to remove the roll pin.
Great Video! Quick question, why would you have to remove the upper from the lower to adjust the screw for a different distance?
Thanks! If you live in a state like CA or NY and you don't separate the upper from the lower before you adjust the stock, then (I THINK) technically, your AR would be an illegal assault weapon during the ~3 seconds that you adjusted the length. As a practical matter I doubt that most AR owners would bother separating the upper & lower, and I doubt that most law enforcement officers or prosecutors would pursue such an insignificant violation. But I didn't want my video to lead anybody to break the law-- even for 3 seconds.
DaveRaveVideo Understood Completely!
I am wondering at what point it will require tool to make adjustment. Because the second method, you can also use a 223 cartridge to make the adjustment, so is it actually require tool?
I hadn't thought about using a .223 cartridge tip, but I just tried it and it works. In that case, I THINK CA would consider the cartridge to be a tool, just like CA did when CA required AR15s to have "bullet buttons" to release the magazine. The Wikipedia article on Bullet Buttons says that CA considered the cartridge to be a "tool".
OMG... I would never let you get near any of my weapons !!!!
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Strike Industries stock stop. Cheap, easy and it works.
Pros: It's easy.
Cons: It's ~$9 (shipped) and the stock can't be adjusted with a tool. Any change of length requires buying another stock stop.
And the Stock Stop is of questionable legality in my opinion, since you CAN actually move the stock by pulling and holding the vertical pin all the way down. The stock may not actually lock into place anywhere other than where the gap was cut, but it can still telescope, and telescoping (not locking) is all that's required under the law to be a violation.
@@ericdavis3046 Great point. I hadn't thought of that. I think the main reason CA made collapsible stocks illegal is to prevent people from collapsing them for easier concealment during transportation. But the stock stop allows you to collapse the stock for transport and then extend it to your favorite length upon arrival.
there are some people who are just smarter than most :D
not that it is basically a BCM stock....does that mean a BCM is a non adjustable stock ? Since you have to use a tool to manipulate it.
I don't own a BCM stock nor did you say which model you have, but based in what I've seen on CZcams videos, at least some of the BCM stocks are length-adjustable by squeezing with your hand (without the use of a tool) so they DO NOT seem to qualify as a fixed-stock and would therefore be illegal to use in CA. czcams.com/video/xqlbIOhSKI4/video.htmlfeature=shared&t=465
@@DaveRaveVideo yes, my bad...the method used in the video is how you take a BCM stock OFF a buffer tube....but yes, its always adjustable. i got confused there seeing the same action.
Those aftermarket devices to make your AR non evil are so overpriced for what they are
The $35 Stock-Lok pin is ridiculously overpriced when you can implement my solution for free. To be CA-featureless, I swapped in a ($10) Strike Industries Featureless Pistol Grip, www.strikeindustries.com/shop/strike-industires-simple-featureless-grip.html and a ($15) 1/2"-28 Rousch Sports muzzle brake, rouschsports.com/shop/ar15-upper-parts/muzzle-devices-muzzle-brake-flash-hider-concussion-device/sca-muzzle-brake-compensator-a2/ . Rousch used to advertise that muzzle brake as being compliant in CA, CT, NJ, & NY, but they no longer advertise that-- presumably to eliminate legal liability from capricious state-governments. (I saved a screen-shot from when Rousch used to advertise CA-compliance, just in case.) But there are lots of companies advertising CA, CT, NJ, NY compliant muzzle brakes. When I did my AR-build I bought those parts from Ebay ($15-shipped and $17 shipped, respectively) so it only cost me $32 more to do a "featureless" build. Ironically, a muzzle-brake would enable a shooter to keep the muzzle down and on-target when shooting rapid-fire, so I'd argue that a muzzle-brake is more evil than a (non-compliant) flash-hider. Of course anybody who plans to do evil would set up their AR however they please regardless of CA laws (just like the San Bernardino shooters did).
ATF will NOT consider this a fixed stock using this method since you can easily use a nail or small screwdriver to adjust the stock. You must need to take the stock apart in order to restore the telescoping feature. DON'T BE A TEST CASE - DO YOUR RESEARCH
The ATF is not the worry- State police/law is. New York, California, New Jersey etc.
Finally someone gets it! Good call bud.
Those arent roll pin punches, they are just pin punches. A roll pin punch has a little ball on the tip so it stays centered on the pin.
So basically you're using the same pin...why do stores sell pins if you don't need it 😱 I just bought one for 9 bucks and according to your video I don't need it
Get the the point man god damn
didt know the law was no adjustable-stock....
Adjustable stocks on center-fire guns are illegal in CA, CT, NJ, NY, and maybe MD & VA, et al.
va too wow more proof how clueless DC n governors are@@DaveRaveVideo
love this idea. perfect solution for the commie state of MA.
Geez, you could put Mr. Rogers to sleep with that voice. The dullest video I have ever seen. I noped out at 5:13.
decent methods i appreciate the video. BUT JESUS MAN THIS WAS LIKE WATCHING PAINT DRY.. move it alongggggggg
you should not be doing any type of work on stocks, your butt stock is loose if you want to pin it properly i can show you how ,and it will be permanent
As I said in my video, I didn't want to permanently pin or mar the stock, and I want the stock to be easily length-adjustable through the use of a tool.
How is it loose? It's functioning how it was intended when you insert the tool. When you remove the tool it stays secure the way it was intended with the pressure of the spring against the pin. Or do you mean that MOE stock is loose by design and you just don't like it?
The saddest video I’ve seen in a long time
PRO TIP: Those aren't roll pin punches - they are just pin punches for solid pins. Use those on roll pins and expect your roll pins will deform. Roll pin punches have ROUNDED TIPS!! The fact that you kept saying roll pin punch over and over and over again was cringe worthy. Sorry for being a proper tool name Nazi, but using the proper name for tools is what I was taught back in 7th grade engine machine shop. Those punches will get the job done in this case, but for the love of all that is holy stop calling them something they're not.
LOL! I did the same thing. There is a lot of confusion about pin punches, roll pin punches, center punches and prick punches.
Is it over yet??? My Lord, that was awful. Buy a fixed stock from magpul
For many of us, Magpul adjustable stocks come with our AR kits, so it's cheaper to just make it tool-adjustable. Also, it's nice to have a tool-adjustable stock that can be adjusted for different family members and friends. Not sure why you watched this video.