How to Stick Weld Vertical Joints: 4 Ways to Get the Job Done
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- An informative overview of the 4 most common techniques to make vertical fillet welds with stick.
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Vertical welds can be challenging to make using Shielded Metal Arc Welding (SMAW), also known as Manual Metal Arc (MMA), Stick Welding or Rod Welding. In this video I show 7018 vertical up, 7018 vertical weave, 6011/6010 uphill and 6011/6010 downhill.
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Time, I bought your full course a couple weeks ago. Been watching the SMAW videos, I’m trying to learn vertical now and something I didn’t find covered in the course or CZcams is that sometimes my flux burns down on one side further and I end up chasing my arc instead of telling it where to go. Do you have any insight on this? Running 6013/7018 rods on an inverter machine if that helps any.
Thanks Tim. Love your content.
What type of electricity are you using AC/DC?
Tim could you make a video about what the proper amperage and distance rod tip for 6011 looks like also what incorrect amperage with 6011 l9oks like
😂😊😂@@2010mannw
I’m 15 and started my welding classes In September i just got to the vertical part of the course. and it’s quite a bit harder than most of the other ways. But i think i got it figured out. Thanks to you Of course
Hell yeah
I am 18 and vert is hard and over head I personally think it is easyer than vert
I started welding at 16 hope u love it and keep goin🔥💪
@@johnbowe4564 my instructor taught me overhead before vertical cuz he said vertical is the hard one with stick. I got it quicker than overhead but i think thats just because by that time i got used to knowing what i’m looking for
You guys that are starting young, good on ya! I'm 34 and I consider myself a "decent" welder. I am a card carrying union millwright tho. It's a great career especially for someone like yourselves who is entering the field with welding experience. In WA state apprentices start at 34/hr with insane benefits and after 4 years of being a apprentice you make 55+/hr. Just wanted to put that out there for you. Feel free to message me any questions.
One thing I've noticed is that most CZcams welders don't stress how much help it can be simply to hang your stinger over your shoulder, not having the weight of your lead, connection points, as well as the electrode holder itself on your shoulder as opposed to holding all that weight directly in your hand in front of you, if you didn't know this I highly suggest trying it
Or flop/loop it over your elbow..
Not good to do that, radiation
6010 down hill, horizontal, overhead a d flat. Quick, strong, and used for the last 60 years on pipe lines, storage tanks and general steel construction. Passes X-ray, ultrasonic and hydro tests.
@@kennetharntson5912 I think you replied to the wrong comment
Warm the rod as well 👌
Thank you sir! First time I've tried vertical welding...as I'm modifying a Deere riding mower frame by welding in some 1.5" strips to the back end. Yours was the first I'd seen where a vertical weld was done with something other than 7018. Thanks.
Thank you so very much Tim ,I am a new student to welding and your video has been a tremendous asset to me. You have a nice voice also.
Am now trying on vertical welding and i find video very helpful to me. Thank you
I love your lessons. You get right to the point, you share the right amount of information for each lesson and go and go exactly the right speed.
been checking a lot of your videos. great help to this new welder in training . ain't nothing like burning rod! :)
Been watching alot of your videos lately. I just started welding school and boy i gotta say thanks! Your advice has actually impacted the way ive welded and for the better! Im sure im going to find myself back here again , great tips !
Awesome video, guy. I'm an old, retired B.S.E.E. and am now welding & building with metal as a hobby. It's just plain fun! Cheers. And thanks again. Ron
I started my classes this year around August. It's so hard keeping up sometimes, actually watching people explain and do it makes it so much easier for me. I learn by example and repetition. This video is super helpful!
Good
I remember from welding school, on vertical welding, The first bead was set in the middle; then there was a bead I had to run on each side of that first weld, and then my instructor wanted me to do what he called a weave weld over the top of all three of those welds, which look awesome when welded perfectly at the right heat and rhythm. My instructor got me through brazing teaching me to find a rhythm and keeping that rhythm for a beautiful weld every time. The hotter the burn the faster your rhythm would have to be for stick welding. Jack Stone, Sooner Trade School in OKC. Great instructor. 10% class, the rest was all shop work!
Your comment just helped me out a lot. Currently in welding school doing vertical stick and it gets too hot and continuously drips, I’m thinking like wtf I’m steady and slow…
The hotter the burn the faster the rhythm.
@@commplicated3800 you can try adjusting the setting as well; you just have to play with it; I was made to master welding a bead on a horizontal plane before I could move on to vertical welding. It will make finding the right temp and speed and rhythm for a vertical weld. Staying relaxed and not getting frustrated is really key as well; sometimes you just have to take 5 and get a drink of water or something and relax and go back at it. good luck
Thank you! Today i finally started 3f with 7018 and this is very helpful! Can't wait to get to school monday to try all this out.
Keep it up. You're helping a lot of people!
Thank you for this video! Definitely learned new positioning I can use when I weld!
Love your video pal I'm getting back into welding because of your videos.
Awesome!
Thank you much for the video the way you explain is very clear please keep showing more videos like this I'm trying to learn you the man thank you much good job
Awesome video you are a very good teacher thanks for the welding tips and guide from Melbourne Australia 👍
Thanks Tim, Great instructional video, great tips and technique.
I start welding In January, super excited
Perfect video for what I was needing to do.
Tim, I really appreciate the info..... learning horizontal and vertical..... I use the 6011, 6013 and 7018 electrodes in 3/32..... so glad you mentioned your setting..... Forney is the brand I use.... they work very well.
Thanks! I’ll have to give those rods a try!
6013 3/32 is a very annoying rod to use
@@mk5slow173 I agree!
Appreciate all of the good tips, especially about welding perspective, which I push heavily with my students. However, I recommend more of a 45° perspective where you have more control and can keep better balance by not needing to lean into it. It also improves your view, and thus control of the arc gap.
good demo. reminded me of my welding classes.
Very helpful Tim! Thank you
You're great Tim, I'll like to see you teach something on over head , about the vertical i have this question, most times the weld pool try to fall off why?, it's common with over head welds too
Great content, very helpful
Nice video. Could you possibly make a vertical up 7018 AC video with the AC225? I have the exact same welder, and it always seems that when using 7018 AC for vertical up, it sags when I do stringers. When I weave it in it turns out much flatter but still lumpy. I know that AC current is harder to use in the vertical and overhead position then DC. In school, I would always pass all the 7018 vertical up tests. With the DC stick welders there, the weld would lay in flat with the stringers no problem.
Thanks for this video mate! I hope I can do better
Can’t stress your comfort enough. I’ve learned it’s one of if not the most important thing. Check your settings and make sure your stable. If you have trouble striking an arc, try making a scratching motion don’t forget to pause so it can establish and 7018 is easy. 6010 you’ll need more practice
Very helpful thanks so much well done
One thing i do sometimes if i cant brace i will use my legs. Everyythings nice and pulled in tight to my body, slight squat and i will slowly rise up as i go. It seems to work well for me 🤷♂️ i have enough control with that mixed with some wrist movement if need be
My instructor hates when I run downhill, but my welds are always picture perfect. After watching this I need to start practicing my uphill, you make very nice beads and I want to do the same. Thanks for the content!
He may say this in the video, as I'm still watching it, but I believe uphill is stronger as well. Not a very experienced welder here, but I work at a stone quarry/blacktop plant with some pretty good welders. A lot of structural welding going on there!
So when stick welding vertical we go south to north. I can never remember the direction (garage guy here) .
Oops, I should have waited for the down-hill pass. I guess it can work either way.
Thanks, your welding courses are a bargain!
Think u tim for the tip to tuck the arm in
I was only 11 years old when I started 😅 now I'm 19 and I'm doing this every day since I got into it... I love it so much! And after 8 years of experience there is still so much to learn and grow!
thanks for the help
good video 👌
Can I also apply these techniques using a 7014 rod on heavy gauge studs!
Tim: I would like some discussion on how your work piece is sticking up in the air and the position of your ground cable as it relates to heat deposition.
You make it look easy. Not nearly as easy when I try it. 😁
The problem when you get up near the top is arc blow. What do you suggest to eliminate that.
I am building a vice stand and the base is 1/2 " thick steel for the weight and the post is 1/8" galanized 2x3" square tube. is it ok too use 6013 too weld thes together using multi passes with this rod? I iknow I have too remove the galvanizing from the tubing.
I wish I had of watched this before my welding competition yesterday. Maybe then I would have certified.
Mines on Friday. Will 100% fail so I'm gunna wait an additional 2 weeks for my verticle ticket.
@@historyZZ do good man
Thank you buddy! ❤❤
in the comepany I am running a 3.2mm 7018 at 120 amp with a whip and pause technique i just wanna ask if this is correct
I feel like my tuition should be going to you at this point
Thanks... good video
It always good to learn😢
Does it mater the voltage of weld machine?Mine is 34V, should I bring more or less Amps?
Welds look nice, but I feel like the heat is too cold for 1/8, I like more a 120 range..also why did you switch to 3/32 rod for the second pass? I’m an iron worker so I also do structural welding and I’ve barely ever used 3/32 rod
Nice video. Can you zoom in a bit when you do the welding? I would love to see your move a bit more clear.
Thanks for the welding tips.
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Honestly its my favorite
So upwards is easier? Tried vertical welding a few times but didn't do so well 😬
Is it necessary to turn the amps down? I keep gettin drippy welds
Tim, is ARC FORCE and HOT START good for Welding Noobs like me ?
22:00 is your body on brakes. ( ;-) )
5:30 it is a good idea to count the corners so we get a good-looking, strong weld! This works great, just try it out.....you love it! ;-)
11:30 the danger here is, your weld is gonna be a '' glue-weld '' ....very bad most of the time it looks ''great '' but there is less power in it.
Like the video TimW think you must try the '' counting '' it will surprise you.
ThnXs for the Share your time and efforts.
Did you dry the electrodes before welding?
Hey thanks for the video, but I got an important question.
I'm teaching highschoolers to weld.
We are running 3/32 7018 - no 6010 yet.
Now my coworker insists on teaching 7018 vertical DOWNHiLL ...
I need to understand is that okay to teach as the first thing for vertical? And in what cases do you weld downhill with stick?
Because I strongly feel it should be taught uphill unless no matter how they try, they would only then do downhill -- is that a valid approach???
Good welding skills and teaching skills. Great job!
Not so good
When having to stick weld vertically, and you have the clearance to approach the weld anyway you’d like, is it better to weld upwards or down? If it make a difference, why?
Very good videos! Thank you!👍👍👍
Uphill is generally better because you’re moving slower and will get better penetration. Downhill runs faster can be help avoid burning through on thinner material, though it only works with some rods like 6010/6011.
Damn I need to learn this
Can you do a video on downhill welding on pipe
Hobart 7018!!!!! Love that stuff!
You must mention about polarity.
What happens if you weld a vertical piece of 1/2 think plate with a 45 degree bevel with a 1/8 landing at 130amps. Non structural application. Top to bottom welding rather then going up.
Most of the welding I do is not on tables or something like that. Just made a large chicken coop. So, welling in all kind of different positions.
Well in the shipyard welders have to vertically weld free hand all day in the craziest position...
perfect
Hope thier an ampere indicated
How’s the dekopro welder holding up? Would you still recommend for a starting off welder
It still works good, and I think it’s great for the price. The only issue that has come up is that the amperage readout isn’t completely accurate, but once it’s dialed in, it runs great. Definitely a good option for a beginner.
I always have the problem with welding uphill that the material is dripping down😅🙈 ( i weld with reonlas 52)
I had problems with liquid metal from the top just running down the bead and ruining it. Is it too hot?
Yep run at the low end of the electrodes amperage range
Hi there, what size of stick I have to use to weld 1.5 millimeters square pipe to same with inverter welding machine???
I have done this with 3/32” (2.4 mm) rod before, but if you’re new to welding, I’d start with 1/16” (1.6 mm) because you can run a lower amperage and will be less likely to burn through.
I can't weld uphill so this video came just in time
Q: I'm Sry, did I miss the amperage of first two welds (#7018 - 1/8 then 3/32)?
Also, I bought some 3/32 7018 w my first attempt welding kit a few weeks ago (also 6011, decided after watching your vids); but my welder (cheap master craft 80A) says it's not compatible w 7018 : / anyone know why??
It may work, or you may (probably will) get lousy welds, use 7018AC rods instead.
Cool !!!
Could you share your technique for doing the bottom seam of a lap joint on a vertical piece of sheet please? I always have trouble with this one!
Can anyone help me on how to like stop it from dripping down Im welding and it just drips and falls to the ground any tips ??? Pls
I know this is late but try some very subtle rod manipulation or travel faster run a tight arc
When you vertical weld is there a reason you push with your tip instead of drag it?
Shoulda waited till the end to ask. Thanks for answering.
great info here thanks! i got an ac 225 the other day and it trips the breaker at 130 amperes after welding for 5 seconds or so. any ideas?
Lincoln ac 225
square D 50 amp breaker.
6/3 awg wire.
i checked everything with my meter too.
Have you figured out the issue? If not, you should check the breaker.. possibly change it out for another 50 amp breaker and see if that works.. also, do you have a clamp meter that reads amps? It would be a good idea to look into that..
@@berniemac8413 ordered a meter and a breaker. thank you. i’ll post when it’s here and tested
UNPROFESSIONAL awesome! Hopefully it’s just the breaker.. I just bought a used buzz box as well. And have been itching to try it too! 😅
UNPROFESSIONAL also, is there a reason you used 6/3 wire instead of the 6/2? And what did you do with the extra conductor wire?
@@berniemac8413 its what i had lying around, all i had to do was buy the outlet. bought a new breaker and still happening. its a ac 225 from 1973 haha, going to tear it apart today and take a peek inside
When i weld up , metal was dripping, what is the reason for it?
Sounds like to much amperage, or moving the rod to slow
hi Tim...a question: why would the welding pool start running out of control on a vertical weld?
Hey man, I'm not Tim but I can offer help. If your pool is very runny or out of control, drop your amperage some. The goal is to have the weld pool trailing just behind the rod. Hope it helps
@@Amp661 thank you!...helps a lot
What type of rods do your prefer? I have been running Hobart 6011 and 6013
I'd pick 7018 every day of the week, but each one has strengths and weaknesses for different applications. 6011 is good for root passes where you need to penetrate deep or if you have some rust that can't be removed. 6013 is good for general purpose. 7018 lays down a nice smooth bead, deposits a lot of material and the slag is easier to deal with.
@@TimWelds thanks! Your channel is great.
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how is the first 7018 weld structural? it doesn’t seem like you’re penetrating the walls
You mean fusing the walls?
The only thing I don’t like is the inconsistency of your 6011 whips and pauses cause they all looked different
As a guy relatively new to welding, I have heard "If there's slag, you drag". Here, in the vertical up motion, you are pushing. I am a bit confused. A little help here coach?
That's generally true. With vertical welds, gravity will pull the slag downward and you can prevent the molten metal from falling out by using a slight upward angle. The best way to get a feel for it is to try it both ways on some scrap and see what you think.
I mean 7018?
What if your welding unit oy goes to 95amp😢
It’s fine, just run 3/32” electrodes and you can weld about anything. Just use multiple passes on thicker material.
IM SO STUPID I WENT UP TO DOWN ON MY FIRST VERTICAL THANK GOD I WAS JUST MESSING AROUND😭
Every time I have to vertical weld, I make some good looking bubble gum, lmfao
very educative but you said nothing about the current if the early stages of the weld
So you always weld down up?
Yes that is how you get maximum penetration. You can weld down hill with a final cover up, or clean up pass, only if your strength welds are good
Why does my stick welds get bird poop? I used same amperage for 7018 3/32 and tried amps from 80-95 and I had bird poop, I ran arc captain 200 welder.
Try to notice the root pass before doing vertical position
I always find vertical to be easier than horizontal after doing it so long, not all of us work on tables
What's a table?🙃
The absolute right way to vertical welding is going from bottom to top with a skilled left and right motion even with thin metal, if the material is to thin to set right amperage then it’s better to spot weld.
That’s what I learned, and I was also skeptical when going to welding class why not just go straight up or down, I asked the instructor if it would work and he said, go and try, make yourself some training pieces and do it, and I did, more than once and it was a disaster, the weld always hung over.
is he welding in his house😂