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The Honda-Swapped Ferrari gets a new heart: An INSANE 2-liter K20!
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2024
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I took a new approach for this episode and spent a lot more time talking to the camera in hopes of making things feel more personal, and to cover the details I care about. Give me some feedback and let me know what you guys think!
Way better, had gotten very formal, still a brilliant Chanel regardless
It was a great episode.👌🏼
Yeah this was a very chilled episode. Refreshing to see. Still love the previous style though.
I don't remember how you used to do it, but this works.
Video was good, even showing your everyday type of distractions that turn up
"I'm not a honda guy". Whilst unboxing the second 10k 4piston build motor 😂 awesome stuff
wow is that how much they cost ?
They range from £9900 to £11k from the looks of it. I'm in England looking at the 4piston website site though, don't know if shipping factored in etc... but these engines are some impressive engineering!
@mquin375 not really...their most expensive engine on their site is 14k usd. and thats for a fully built s2000 engine. most are around the 10-12 range. i mean yeah more expensive than 10k in some cases but youre making it sound like they cost 20k+ which isnt the case.
@mquin375 £ not $
@@davegt27 The drysump system is $5600 all by itself. He easily spent $15-16k originally, I'm guessing the 2nd one was much less since it sounds like the head/drysump was salvaged from the first.
The way the delivery guy rolled the engine onto the lift made me physically tense up, that dudes a menace lol
Glad I'm not the only one! I literally said, "Careful, dude!" to my TV, lol
Guys a pro, no fridges or washing machines for him.
Slaps the button at the same time.
Dudes a pro and got places to be
That's why you get specialized transports when you have items of sums orders of magnitude over common parcels, to be shipped. I've never shipped an item that was over 5kE with run of the mill runners. Only insured, one off custom transporters (the ubers of the transport world, if you want, but better). It's pricey, but when you ship rare or $$$$$ items about you don't want Joe Rando pushing buttons like it's space invaders. That's how you end up on the vertical morons site as a joke with a title that goes "oops, there goes 10000 dollhairs worth of equipment down the drain" and a small film of the disaster.
Same here 😂
That was some confident pallet truck handling there 😂
Right? I panicked when I saw it in person.
Homie was a fork jack racing driver@@stanceworks
Personally, I love this video style - we get updates on the progress, and it feels more like hanging around the garage and solving problems, which is the best.
Mike Burroughs is to car building & fabrication what Bob Ross was to painting. Every episode is a masterpiece filled with learning and fun.
Happy little cars!!
"What are you gonna do when you get home?" "Imma play with the stick"
New content style approach definitely helps keep things flowing smoothly. Feels a lot more natural as a viewer IMO.
Plenty of work in this episode with plenty more left on the table for future ones. Might not be the best thing for your wallet right now but it's great to see you making progress on the 244 again.
Remember guys a k24 has a 99mm stroke thats longer than a vipers v10 engine and a 5.7 ls1 v8 😂 so a k24 at 8000+ rpm has a higher piston speed than a nascar and the same as an f1 engine at 17,000rpm LOL
These are some wild stats, to be honest!
Weirdly-enough, both the LS1 and the Viper engine are overscuared. They just doesn't rev because they are pushrod.
@@Giuliana-w1foversquare or not, the Viper V10 is fucking huge lol. That’s why I’m not surprised it doesn’t rev.
@@clumsygarage1578 it sure is, but each cylinder has shorter stroke than a K24 (at least in the 8.0L); it gets that displacement with a bigger bore and 6 extra cylinders.
@@Giuliana-w1fpushrods are not the reason they don't rev
Good one Mike, First showed us how to '' get all of the holes filled up''...
Then '' teached a guy how to properly ''play with the stick and take it to the max''
And later, at 22:04 clearly showed us the ''satisfaction to be able to stick your finger where you couldn't before installing your new alternator. (wont mention that you realized you need 2 nuts to finish the bracket install...)
Plumbing protip: any time you can use a 45° instead of a 90°, do it. 90s literally cut the flow in half compared to a 45. There's a dead spot that forms in the bend, and basically only allows half the flow.
That depends on the sweep of the 90. Regular 90s are definitely worse than a regular 45 (a little over double the flow friction like you said, 2.15x) but long sweeps are only about 29% worse.
Space constraints are obviously a factor regardless but in applications where you need a full 90 degree turn (like not having enough space to have the line make the other 45 bend further out with a gradual natural sweep) it's better to use one long sweep 90 than two 45s. Also gives you two less connection points so two less points of failure.
Basically like you said, use a 45 if you can get away with it. But if you need a 90 and can fit a long sweep one go with that because you'll only be marginally worse off
@@RogueViirus12 very succinct, thanks for the reply! I just wanted to mention it, since it looks like he could easily get some 45s under the intake manifold.
Speaking of sweeping 90s, he could also route the hose if possible to sweep into the right spot, too bad they don't make braided hoses with a preformed bend. Business idea? Lol.
@@UncleSpool of course! I'm a mech eng so I deal with this stuff a lot. Mostly just a comment in case other people see it and are using the info to plan their builds out
@@RogueViirus12 Hah, I'm a design engineer, lol. Been using solidworks for over a decade.
totally agree
No, I don't buy the hydrolock explanation for the K24's RUD. There would be far too much evidence that wasn't present. As that bearing started to drag it imparted a pulsed bending force across the length of the rod and it looks to have failed at a stress riser (the lettering) via fatigue cracking.
Pulsed bending force? As the dragging bearing rotates it wants to bend the rod in the same direction of rotation, and since that movement is resisted by the wrist pin you flex the middle of the rod rotationwise, but as the engine is still operating under (big) power, under compression you're complexing that with the bending moment but when the rod goes into tension you're resisting it, so it bends more/less/more/less/more/less/more/less, alternating loads 1000 times per second. In fact if everything else wasn't so loud you probably could have heard it "hum" outside the block before it cracked and broke.
Like a thick feeler gauge, if it's straight you can push it under something with a good deal of force, but the slightest bend and it wants to flex. Load it straight compression at 1000hz and it'll last longer than your patience. Flex it with that same load at 1000hz and it'll break across the middle pretty quickly.
Now, on your neighboring rods I could buy that the first piston striking the head could have lifted the head enough to leak some water into that cylinder and get a slight bend out of it, but there's still a dearth of indicators as such. My memory may be faulty but I don't recall any smoke or steam from your exhaust when the engine came apart...
Unboxing a honda engine, putting it in a ferrari, wearing a ford hat, that's why I watch StanceWorks baby!
Patreon gang! FYI a bunch of us are in the spoken of private lounge in discord right now talking with mike about this video. he also ask for feedback about videos and such. honestly he is extremely active in the discord.
What’s the discord called
@@mickeyward1878it's just called stanceworks and there's a link to it in the description of the video
@@mickeyward1878Mike's got it linked in the video description to join. Private lounge stuff requires either a patreon sub or discord subscription though.
@@RogueViirus12 thanks for the info dude!
@@lowrider94ss and you need to understand how to structure sentences, mahalo
If your still wondering about why Honda used a weird 55° BSP thread, it's because it was adopted as the ISO G (parallel thread) and R (tapered thread) ISO 228 pipe thread standard.
No such thing as a freak accident in racing, there is always a root cause, best strategy is to find it and make a change so the same failure doesn’t occur again
Here in the UK we use BSP for most pipe threads, Honda is smart to use it as its the best for soft metals
BSP thread is actually pretty common in the equipment industry. Kubota especially is fond of it and while it's difficult to find fittings for sometimes, the use of a sealing cup/bell design inside, instead of just the threads sealing (like taper pipe thread) means it makes a sturdy, solid connection.
The oil return at the beginning is for you turbo (will keep watching) nice little motor
You could go k22 combination with 20 crank 24 block or f22 crank
Enjoying the “talking to the camera” approach, less disconnected for sure. Also the unscripted moments or “bloopers” I guess are an awesome, genuine feeling piece of content and make the vibe that much more authentic.
My dad always said to learn from my mistakes. But he also said even better is to learn from others mistakes. I'm not saying you made a mistake, but thank you for learning so I can apply the learnings first time to my eventual time attack build I am planning.
I was apart of the stanceworks forums back in like holy shit 2008-2009?!? These new content reminds me of a video format of the expertly detailed writing style of yesteryear
So + aftermarket support and slight reliability increase (depending on boost). - are moderate decrease in torque and a little more turbo lag. Not too bad a trade-off.
Yeah I think the more face time etc on highlighted parts works. Excited to see this taking off again. This is what happens in racing and seeing you go right into a solution feet first with a plan is awesome.
BSPT is standard on almost every Japanese engine for small bungs and fittings. People just jam NPT fittings into everything because they don't know the difference
I think this is my favorite CZcams build! I hope you find the perfect set up! I know you'll make it a proper as humanly possible! Can't wait to see the next drive
Who is the Time Being and why do you keep doing stuff for them?
Everyone should fear the Time Being.
@@stanceworks This needs to be a 'Rat Fink' style T-shirt.
StanceWorks...filling all of the holes!....with control arms...
Hope 4piston gave you a discount cause the previous engine clearly had issues.
K20 = Beefy buddy. K24 are nice, but the K20 is a ringer. I've had a mildly built one for 14 years now. Over 200k miles on it, still running hella strong (granted no boost and OCD fluid intervals)
That ,"Low End Theory, " board was dope! Thank you for the content!
Was just coming here to say. Is that a Tribe deck behind him!? Nice 👍
Walter Rohrl's signature on the dash of the Quattro was very cool.
Still one of my favorite CZcams automotive builds
You mentioned bspt threads for the oil switch. Almost all jdm motors use that pitch there for some reason. Most people force normal npt in and usually it leaks.
Hi Mike, never commented on your videos previously despite being an avid follower since the stanceworks early forum days. Most of the content comments cover it, incredible attention to detail, taking us along for the journey and not over-simplifying things whilst still making it understandable to someone new to the scene.
What made me make this comment is that your sense of humour really comes across with this video style, and it is great. I am sure you Americans will eventually catch up to the British sense of humour but the ‘filling all holes’ comment brought the whole country closer to achieving that goal. 😂.
Keep it up, don’t change.
Hi Mike , loving the new format as it's more personal and educational. Keep up the fantastic content.
Michael - wow one of my fav Vlogs of yours now. New format with a bit of everyday life. Thanks so much.
I’m no Honda guy either but I believe the A/N fitting on the side is used for the turbo oil return if you’re boosted.
Been watching this series since you got the ferrari and im still loving new episodes!
I've seen rally cars brake the oil sensor off the side of the motor with them mounted like that. Honda's might be made of sterner stuff, but a banjo fitting and a short line is cheap insurance.
Glass cleaner is actually good for cleaning a lot of stuff. We used it to clean whole cars at the airport.
@2:15 *_RODNEY…you sank my battleship!!_*. 😅
😂love leaving in the outtake😂
Stoked to see this cars continuing story.
Currently trying to find motivation to work on my E30 right now. Bent some suspension when I ran outta talent 😂 was too mad to look at it for months but I think it’s time. Thanks for the motivation boost. It’s three steps forward and one step back sometimes.
What an album. A Tribe called quest low end theory. If you don’t see it. Love from Melbourne Australia.
I remember looking at an ‘84 red Sport Quattro at the Perth Audi dealership in Scotland, it was for sale for £38,000 10 years ago 😢
Great to see you back Mike. Love the changes in format. You seem happier and having a bit more fun with it.
Mike, your mechanical talent is undoubted, but your host/storyteller talent matches it. I liked that format
Two thumbs up to the "glass cleaner on the coils" monolog. That seems like an entirely appropriate use of glass cleaner.
The idea to include some shop culture is awesome.
12:30 BSPT is actually fairly common on Japanese cars. Subarus use it too. Dunno why
Tractuff stuff is awesome been using them for years for my rwd k swaps.
The evo 8 also has a bspt port on the oil filter housing. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they use the same supplier.
You're going to need to find somewhere to mount that broken piston, definitely worth a trophy stand to remember the journey.
Scratch on the rocker cover….nooooo!
Keep up the great work, loved V1 so the new engine should be savage
It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison between Iridium plugs and standard copper plugs given that Iridium is less conductive than copper. See if there is a difference or not.
I enjoyed the new style video. Felt like I was there with some friends swinging spanners on a weekend. I like you kept the voiceover too
That's a badass deck in the background on the floor! Tribe Called Quest low end theory album cover. The new engine's dope too. Excited to see it run
14:30 -- Walter Röhrl signed the dashboard?! .. yea thats a cool car
I was going asking the same!
I've seen too many K-series assembled on yt to watch this, but I'm happy it rides again
Glass cleaner is legit the greatest cleaning product for most hard surfaces. I use it everyday 👌
First I just want to say I love what you did with the Ferrari! You did an awesome job but in my opinion there's no replacement for displacement. I would use a different engine even if it's a Honda v6 or Toyota straight 6 if it'll fit. With that said I really hope the 2.0k proves me wrong. Respect your moves man!
I like the valve cover dinged up out of the box 🤌
15:00 only a true car bro moment. Notice how they subconsciously got quite just to hear the acceleration...? Maybe good audio editing? I know i was talking/praising and shut dfu haha. Anywho, I'm happy and high. I'm watching this on a TV with surround sound. It almost felt like I was there. This Audi Sport Quattro was so cool and random. I'm happy you wouldn't try to make that into its own episode/video. I truly enjoy the surprise. Watching your videos is like watching Speed TV or Velocity Channel. But a more modern/fresh take! Mike, you touch the childhood in me with these videos. Keep up the good work!
This is such an awesome change of pace and hugely appreciate the new format! Nice work Mike, as always!
Digging that “Low End Theory” deck board! 😉
Love to see this series continuing 👍🏾
Don't think i would run that low clearance fitting on the inlet to the block for the coolant. You want a smooth radius bend so it does not restrict flow. In the other end of you the block (exit at the cylinder head) it can be a good thing to have a small restriction because the water flow from the pump will actually increase the pressure in the block/head a little bit and help to avoid boiling of the water in the hottest areas (around the exhast valves). EDIT: I noticed now someone else (and engineer) commented on the same thing and recomended a 45 degree bend. That could also be a much better solution. But I do think nice big radius 90 degree bends are also available. But 45 is probably better.
Thanks Mike!
Hell yeah, new Ferrari episode 💪🏼 Curious to see what gap the plugs will end up needing with that ignition setup. I've always had to put my bigger power k series under .020 but with oem Denso coils.
That Oil pressure sensor should really be installed on a leash for reliability sake. My evo ate through 2 sensors when directly mounted until i leashed it ITs been 3 years since the last one died.
I really enjoyed the more casual approach on this video, felt more personal
A lot of hydraulic application threads are BSP so that's probably why the oil sensor is BSP and not a different thread type 12:46
That delivery guy was fully committed rolling that crate onto the tail board. Gulp.
I haven't seen small engines less than 3000cc tuned to produce more than ~600 HP that can withstand track conditions, but it will be very interesting to see if that is possible. with 600hp and less tha 1200kg Gt cup cars are crazy fast, but without very advanced aero and brakes you need more power
My guess would be the oil pressure wasn't enough for that much torque and rpm since you already said the psi was lower, and rod bonded to the crank. Hydro lock would explain rod break but wouln't explain the bearing getting that hot imo.
There are numerous time attack cars with much more than 600 hp and less than 3 litres who do just fine. It only has to be build properly.
This is one of my favorite car builds on CZcams, easy!
Your shop is super close to mesa hose. I'd expect they have the orb fittings you need.
That British pipe thread sizing ‘might’ be related to the Honda/British Leyland dalliance. Just thank your god that you don’t have a BL K series!
Imagine the amount of headgaskets he'd need
i may be biased being a vw fan but i still think you should have went vr6. 12v 2.8s take boost really well make tons of power and dont really blow up. plus the noise factor.
Your screen chemistry is off the 📈 - loved the video
My 90s toyota land cruiser has british pipe thread oil sensor too
If not already, thoughts on o-ring the block for future head assurance?
I love this build but, I feel horrible that it was kinda took in a different direction just to do a time attack event..The Street/ Track version of this car was suoer dope..Driving on the street with interior and still tracking was goals and would get used way more..Best wishes with new Motor.
This might be my favorite episode of Stanceworks 😂
Hey Mike, take a look at Dailey Engineering. They build dry sump systems that excel at de-foaming the oil. Their pump bolts directly to the billet pan that scrapes the oil off of the crank. The pump has one section built like a roots blower to scavenge the foam from the engine and send it through a special oil separator. Some of the mystery rod grenades might be from too much foam in the oil. They have pans for K20s. Someone down thread also mentioned detonation as a possible cause. Do you have knock sensors?
I currently have a Dailey system on the engine, that's what we've been running since the beginning. :)
@@stanceworks Which was probably covered in one of the build videos I missed. LOL, keep up the good work! Very inspiring channel.
Mike 'big hole filling guy' Burroughs.
That was a super watch.
Mike, I’m thinking about Trevor from motion auto blew up 3 and all were all rod related. He used stock rods and yours were better, I’m thinking maybe it might be a low oil pressure problem. Stock pressures may be too low if water wasn’t the issue. Just a thought.
I can't remember if this was addressed... there was an earlier spin, was the engine stalled quickly or reversed at all during that incident? If the bearing shell keys (the dimples) flattened out they could have slowly walked and starved themselves by blocking the supply hole.
You could probably get away with a large banjo fitting, if clearance ends up being an issue. That is probably the lowest profile available.
Great viewing interesting engine and we have the comparison K24 v K20 to look forward to.
So happy for the return of the f. If only someone could get a fire started for Binky
I think you're absolutely right by starting at 500hp - there will no doubt be a lot more fine tuning before you hit the point that power is your limitation.
About the alternator, I found it usefull/inexpensive to swap my own for a lightweight Denso one. Apart from having a shorter belt/changing the plugs, it was a straigth on replacement for my upgraded C20XE. It delivers plenty electricity for a trackday use... Why stick with a big "factory" street alternator ?
low end theory board is sick
Love the new filming approach!
You are absolutely right Mike... Just look at cleetus ... Just recently the $25k motor in Leroy just let go out of the blue... It's racing... These things happen
Normally double entendres are the goal…but when talking about cars with car people they almost go unnoticed.
Any ideas as to why the head gasket might have gave way? Any signs of detonation? Part of me wonders if, at your power levels, you wouldn't have been better off using torque to yeild head bolts since they maintain higher clamping loads under temperature growth.
Did the previous head gasket show signs that it failed? Looking at the head gasket is the next best way to see if it failed if you don't have a coolant pressure sensor.