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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2023
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You should’ve LS7 swapped it
@@2ndProtects1st I just died. Snap, Crackle and Pop went home cause that was cold. LOL.
STILL THE COOLEST CAR ON THE INTERNET.
How about a contest, guess the cause of the failure. Win broken engine parts😊
@@eriknulty6392 I still like it. Just kidding. It sucks, I've been there too.
The bad news is you blew the engine. The good news is we get more Ferrari build videos.
lol Mike’s out of money though!!! Shit Mike, that sucks man but as op said, will be happy to see more 244 content.
Guess the transmission held up. Very sorry to learn the engine died.
sorry bro. but you’re doing some seriously strong work and entertaining us all. Thank you.
I thought the whole point of k swapping is being able to go to the junk yard and getting another engine for $800 bucks.... @@BPBomber
More like, Honda build video if they are going to use another Honda engine.
I raced Superbikes for 25 years. In that time we only blew up the engine twice. Once was really bad, a rod through the cases and it destroyed everything. But we learned from that and built a better engine. More reliable and stronger. And won every race i entered the remaining season. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Keep your chin up.
We will rebuild!
@@SNAFU..sounds like you never raced...
Blowing a motor is a CZcams thing. Gotta keep those views coming in.
We don't make a habit of blowing up engines while racing bikes @@SNAFU.. a catastrophic engine failure in a race bike can kill you or someone else when it oils the track.
@@stanceworkswas it stock rods ? How much power did it make when it throw a rod? .....love your build....amazing sound...no joke top build on CZcams
I've spent well over $100K on Honda K20/24 blow ups. It's "almost" always oil delivery issues and they are super sensitive to lack of oil pressure when/where needed. You need to talk to John Grudinski at Hytech. His knowledge of K20 motors for racing is what you need.
Were they all boosted?
it is always piston speed that gets rod bolts to fail. After 100k you still didnt figure that one out?
After many blown motors with not a single rod bolt failure as the cause I have to say your simply wrong. My goals were to pioneer the installation of the K20 into the F3 chassis. Integrating a geartronic paddle shift system. High 400HP range. We eventually got there. My cars won championships and paved the way for many racing K20 installs. It just cost a lot in failures to get there. Much of the work was done with support from HPD.
@@Calscot1rod bolts and pistons is what goes with this dumb hi rpm builds that have higher piston speeds than f1 v10 engines spinning at 18000rpm.
@@Calscot1i love this post
Reminds me of Rob Dahm and his journey. Things break all the time, but they get even better over time. No worries my dood, just keep this train a rollin!
Saint Dahm leads us all on his righteous path.
his abs system upload recently makes me wonder if that could help times here. maybe not that 10k module, but something to do some math and get the car more responsive could be useful.. time will tell.
oh a Bosch ABS system would be amazing!
You'll never see RD throw a rod. 😂
@@larryboy8821 Actually... we kinda did. When he caved that rotor. That's technically speaking "throwing a rod" in the dorito world. Technically, because it's also throwing a piston, gasket failure and engine blow out in one. :)
Take a drink everytime Mike says, “it’s abundantly clear” and you’ll be stumbling haha 😂 Hope the cars back up and running soon!
Every episode get's some dumb phrase I can't stop repeating. Side effect of the VO method I use lol
@@stanceworks The view into your engine is abundantly clear 😬
@@stanceworks love the voice overs man don’t stop being you!
A bad day racing is better than a good day working.
This kind of bad day at racing makes for many more days at work
@@jonasthemovieuffff the truth 🥴
I don't know if I agree with that mate.
If you guys dont enjoy building your cars then you're in the wrong hobby. Build, Race, Break, REPEAT.
@@mavr1ck853 So that block will be put together in the garage with some elbow grease?
People always underestimate and don’t understand how important getting your braking right is. Not only for that particular braking zone but it dramatically improves your corner entry grip, which increases your corner exit speed, which then obviously helps your speed down a long straight. It’s one of the most critical things to get right and one overlooked by beginners everywhere
Its definitely the most difficult thing to get perfectly timed, needs lots and lots of practise.
What makes me think is that K24 was a bomb-proof 4Piston engine, tuned by some of the best (Haltech people), it shouldn't have a single reason to blow up. Can't wait for your teardown video, really wanna see what went wrong.
I don't know anybody that's ever been able to keep a high power K series alive very long, I was hoping you'd be the first. I have seen several "no expense spared" builds, they all end up the same. If you want to run at those power levels, just have another engine on the stand ready.
@@ZREXER1250Sane advice. High skill with low power yields faster times than low skill with high power.
I saw a video of a guy on a Ninja 400 SMOKING riders on R1s and S 1000 RRs at a track day. 😅
That's what people don't understand about racing. It's easy to build a monster powered car that makes the odd pull for CZcams but building a high-powered car that can run lap after lap is a TOTALLY different matter. Be interesting to see the cause of the failure.
@ZREXER1250 100% old track dog myself. I ran a variety of cars like Panteras, BMWs, Porsches, etc. I watched a lot of people pop engines all the time, so instead, I focused on brakes, suspension, and made them as light as I could, but kept the engines stock. I won a lot of races (amateur) and had a great time. You don't need big power if you learn how to carry speed. To me, that's the whole point of the road courses. At the end of the day, it's just about fun. As long as you go home with a smile and your face, it was a good day no matter your times.
This is interesting, because all we hear in the mr2-mr-s community is that k swap is the only way to go! 2zz’s blow up, k series don’t. Making me reconsider my engine swap plans…
K swap is very strong NA, which is what the mr2 guys use it for. It's when it's boosted that you run into these issue. @@izzy031096
The fact that you're still able to radiate positivity through such a defeating moment is a true testament to your character. Excited for the deep analysis of what happened so that you can hopefully find the issue, correct it, and come back better than ever.
Love your energy and attitude, Mike. I imagine that it helps that you didn't blow up a Ferrari engine - that would have sucked!
It is a Ferrari engine... It's only job in life it to move a Ferrari in and out of trailers isn't it?
That engine is more expensive than the original one from the ferrari 😅
@@KurtAndresKAThe built Ferrari equivalent would be far more expensive than the built k series
@@izzy031096 oh thats for sure
Not sure if this is irony
Sorry to hear of the failure and I can tell you I've been there many times before and feel your pain. I absolutely LOVED the team going out in the fading light to look for the rod. Its memories like that you just can never replace and a reminder of how awesome it is to have those kinds of friendships.
I started watching you when you were building the Ford Mike and it still baffles me how you only have 200k subs. Keep up the awesome content, commentary and editing because you are KILLING it! Safety wire is your friend.
Rodney Bearington came knocking. I love this cars styling. Its beautiful.
You need Mahle rods. German rods for the Japanese engine in your Italian sportscar. Germany held the axis powers together. You'll be golden until someone brings a 917K.
I’ve got Mahle rods with Carillon pistons in my 4age 20v turbo build. They go well
my absolute favorite build on youtube, sucks to see it out of commission once more but that fact that you dont give up and use every opportunity as a learning experience is so inspiring. She will bounce back better than ever im 100% confident you and your team are capable of making this a top performance machine.
Awh I’m absolutely sick for you but I can’t believe how positive and upbeat you are though out the whole thing. I really commend you. Wishing the 244GTK a speedy recovery
I'll be honest it's refreshing to see a youtuber who can build a car and also drive it. In a road course setting. It's underappreciated. It's just that.. you're pushing what 1000whp from that turbo k series? That was always going to end in tears.
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It’s only 600hp at the moment. Low boost.
@@stanceworksAh, either way, good job, man. Happy thanksgiving
I play with 30s era traditional flathead fords. Parts are very hard to come by and it’s always a 1 step forward, 2 steps back game. But the payoff is 💯 worth it.
You got this Mike.
build it first, blow it up. built it a second time but better. this is always the teething issues with motor sport. great attitude and look forward to watching you fix it.!
Danggggg..that sucks. I’m sure 4piston knows its way around a k series, but I wonder if the high loads for long durations is what took a toll. I’m sure 4piston has built motors for road race setups before so this is a surprise. Rod bolts snapped inside means maybe that’s where the failure came from? Anyhow, I’m curious to see what the autopsy reveals.
The rod has exited the block chat! Good job keeping a positive attitude through it all. Appreciate the great content you make for us.
Im going to make the assumption you had the 300m rods with the 625 bolts? 300m vs the 4340 look identical unfortunately. Saenz does say any modification to the 300m rods and they need to be re shot peened and polished. It appears Saenz rods are all discontinued on real st? The end of the video , sounded like it may have been a rod bolt that let go first? You never did mention the rpm's you were running that day. If you never calculated the forces on the rod and piston as the rpm goes up, its a eye opener for sure.
Enzo is cursing you from the grave, my condolences...don't let the initial difficulties derail you, we are with you! ;-)
Love the channel Mike. Inspiring build. You won't hear any second guessing of your design choices from me. In addition to seeing the engine tear-down, I'm very interested to see how 4piston (and Quaife, for that matter) responds to this failure. I recognize that racing creates 'extreme stresses', but isn't that what these components were engineered for? I think these companies would do well for themselves to back their products and commit to providing you with replacements for little/no cost. What are the odds of that happening?
Props to you for staying positive.
Sure it's just a "Honda" engine, but they still don't come cheap built like that..
I have to say, I am continually impressed with Mike's ability to maintain a positive attitude even in the face of expensive things blowing up. He should be an example to others!
I blew up the engine in my Viper GTs first at Texas World running with the NARRA guys (rod #2 out the block), and then at COTA running with the Porsche club (nitriding error on the new crank). It sucks. After the 2nd blowup, I rebuilt the engine again and stayed off the track. My pockets aren't deep enough to keep that up.
I saw the deep sigh you let off as you came to a stop. Keep your head up. What you accomplished in this car is nothing short of spectacular. You've inspired and reignited my passion for cars again. And I can't wait to get back into it. 🎉
Hey Mike, I've been following from France and just spun a rod at the Nürburgring this year, just as I was about to log an under8 lap. After having had so many issues with the car. Shit happens. I'm happy to see that you've got such a good attitude about it. Keeps me motivated as well to get my car back on track, litterally, as well. Stay strong and keep the crazy cool videos coming !
Bomb-proof transmission: check.
Bomb-proof motor: check.
It makes you wonder how stock parts would've performed.
It'll be very interesting to see the teardown and what went wrong. By all rights that engine should have been very strong, especially while you were still on low boost. As a fellow (but much lower budget) mid engine K swapped track car with aspirations of forced induction...I'm invested to see the weak points on track!
Mr-s?
One of your most watchable episodes yet in my opinion Mike!! And on the bright side, that blown up engine makes for tons of great future content. Engine autopsy/post mortem is always super interesting. I just hope you don't incur an outrageous amount of cost from peripherals like dry sump pan, etc. Hopefully most things are repairable.
Mike - you are a star and have real fortitude.
Thats my way of saying SNAFU. You just got caught with the wrong dice roll...........it happens to us all at some point. But through failure (yes trans and now engine) you will know so much more to make this car ROCK.
Keep going and we will support you via t shirts, patreon and ongoing good vibes.
We are watching and care.
DO IT!
Shout out to the video guy!👍 He understands what car guys like to see!😁
Heel and toe just proves your a true driver as there are a lot of rich kids in race cars that can't do it. Keep it real, love it
One thing that I believe will give plenty of time for not much effort is having a fully flat floor to cover the exposed bits and bobs. At least better fuel economy if you consider endurance races in the future.
Don't think you could get a diffuser to work so far from the ground but the drag reduction is nice.
Well... that's an engine i would have love to see on Eric's channel, I Do Cars, for an epic teardown. There was definitely malice in the combustion palace. But man, that car is magnificent on the track, what a beauty you have built ! Can't wait to see the rebuild ! And your positive attitude after such a terrible event is inspirational. You got this !
Great to see this car out at global time attack. As sad as we were all about the mechanical failure we're excited to see you come back out to compete. The car is definitely promising
It’s great you’re out there testing the new Honda engine. I’m sure it will advance the reliability of Honda drivers everywhere when they get that engine.
THANK YOU.
That deep breath at 12:25 is heartbreaking. Can feel the emotion through the screen
Just want to point out that all of the major failures of the car (First intercooler revision not withstanding) have been products of other professionals with crazy amounts of money involved. You would have guessed it would have been one of the suspension members that broke first (not saying its bad work, just saying its experimental). Good job to Mike.
Mike
The dry sump is probably 6061 wich welds very well.
Machine the hole out to size and weld a billet block in place. Then half a day in the mill and your good to go
Maybe, K24 doesn't have as much engineering margin as it has been know. Hopefully, through this issue will give insights to build a reliable and robust powertrain, and we will learn about them
You should be very proud of yourself and your team. You guys are LEGIT. Congratulations.
what i love abut this channel is the sincerity. nothing goes according to the plan but if it goes wrong, this is how its fixed. most people go around like they are perfect, but its ok to admit that something went wrong. for that u have our respect, keep on trucking we cheering you my man.
Thats racing. It's still the best looking Ferrari on the planet IMO. I like it more than the F40 I grew up with on my bedroom wall.
That was oil starvation for the rod to grab the crank that hard, how and why with you set up is a mystery. Motor choice will be your savior on cost to fix, not even a honda guy but I think you made the right choice. It would be fun to see a stock vs your build, a stock 308 would be lucky to run under 2:50's,.So you built the right way to eventually get to a reliable race car. Once you get through all the teething pains of new build. Probably best to stay state side and sort that out first. . I would put a bone stock junk yard motor in and see if it works, rings gaped for boost.Just to get seat time and tune the loose nut behind the wheel. Either way you're having fun and living the dream perfecting your skills.
These failures are getting rodiculous
Welcome to racing.
If you want to have a million dollars and a racecar, you have to start with 2 of both
'Rod'iculous guys. Its a pun.
It’s totally normal
What did you expect?
14:45 Dang it Mike, and I wanted to quote Tokyo Drift "you wouldn't have this problem with a V8"
Low speed pre-ignition. Happens out of nowhere on turbo cars. Check the ring lands, detonation always takes out the ring lands on the intake side.
When I had my E36 years ago, that crowd always pushed driver improvement over vehicle mods, to get faster laps. It's cool to see you taking a good approach to getting fast in this car.
You will get it stronger and better. This is the best build on whole YT ^^
Even a Japanese engine can't make a Ferrari reliable. 😂
Time for an LS.
The best part is that Mike isn't hurt, hes safe and well and still smiling.
I've blown up my fair share of engines, two engines in less than 24 hours. One was a tired LT1 with 160k miles, so no real surprise there, the other was an M52 that sheared the oil pump shaft on a miss-shift.
The moral is, you get back up. Sometimes it takes more time and tears than you want.
No no no, ‘the ferrari’ did not throw a rod, the Honda did
Compared to someone who's built their own badass custom Ferrari race car, I know very little. But is there anyway solid engine mounts could create more internal engine &/or transmission vibrations causing possible damage?
If race car... id tear it down after its first track weekend to see if anything got rattled loose or excessive wear from use. I know mike was excited to run the car again, as we all were to see it run again, so i dont blame him. I just would hate for the failure to be something he could have fixed before he ran it again. I know mike will fix it either way. Man's got the skills.
Tuning Fork will be very interested to know. The man knows what hes doing so im also interested what the issue was. These things are never a good thing, but hey... just think positive...content...content...content.. and a new bullerproof build. Once all the stress blood and tears are used up the feeling will be incredible the first time you're in the new setup. Good luck bud.
You are by far my fav channel on CZcams, I like every vid to support you as best I can. Mike you’re a solid dude. You live the life a lot of us want.
If there is a silver lining in blowing the whole engine, it is that you now have experience with it that will inform the decisions you make building and maintaining the next one.
Big bummer that the engine let go. We'll see what teardown reveals, but I'm going to put my chips on it being due to an oil control issue. Now it's time to head over the the Stanceworks store to buy some merch.🙂
Mike, I've been following your build since video one, and I have to say this... Your spirit of constant learing, challenging and developing yourself on the edge of (financial) disaster is awe inspiring. You embody the term 'unbreakable', if you ask me. To be continued!
Crazy how a built k24 just throws rods like this.
its not... This morons have pushed it to 9000rpm under boost. Max rpm for k24 with this spec parts under boost is 7800rpm.
Super rad car. Very proud of you. Tons of work and time we didn't see and we need to see to appreciate. I want to see this. I'm not going to say do this or that. It's rad your racing and beating on your own ideas and work. My only thing is I keep seeing that as a great street fighter with street manners. Those transmissions seem weak but all yall are just beating them up racing and doing rad things. They are not weak. So with that being said make another one for the road brother. My 05 crv likes your videos
This is NOT the big surprise I was expecting next episode... RIP K24. You'll be back better than ever, keep at it my man. Very inspiring and wish I could be doing my own build like you.
My first guess is that #4 failure would have something to do with low flywheel mass combined with the load transitions when lift-shifting the sequential. Lift off throttle at high rev’s, big vacuum load, smack next gear in = rapid deceleration of rotating asssermbly. The combination of high vacuum load at high rpm and next gear indexing might have overly stressed the least dampened rod (#4). Likely less stressful on the rotating assembly to pull or cut ign on shifts at high rpm, keep some exhaust pressure in it or at least not pull a vacuum near redline. With the supply of great O.E. engines dwindling we should really be measuring crankshaft deflection at each journal to pick up on resonances before they become destructive.
You know what this means, right? Prep the dissection table, it's time to go dirty. Maybe even visit your neighbro's shop to annoy him about sockets. :))
Jokes aside. Time to learn what blew this engine up and bulletproof the next one. First step was recovering that missing chunk. Also, make sure you're at the very least around that dissection even if you're not the one doing it. Association is a driver's most important tool.
ProTip for @ 3:55 , have a 30 cm lady slipper - pry bar combination in your tool box at all times. You never know when you might need something to move, pry or help yourself with to align a bolt hole. Screwdrivers aren't that useful in such shituations. If you can find a combination tool that also has the adjustable pry bar end, you're in game. I sh!t you not, that tool is the most important one could have in their box for when you really need to shift stuff around.
Transmission, Engine. Love your optimism Mike.
Try nordlock washers next time if it keeps happening. McMaster Carr has them, and its the only thing that's worked on my turbo elbow nuts from backing off on my sr20. Granted that's heat, rather than vibration, but I think it would help in this application a lot as well.
Impressive rod failure, and I'm curious to see the rest of the carnage. Bummer to see this end your day, but in the end this will make the build more reliable.
Xray the good rods, strain test the surviving rod bolts check they are in spec.
Well, you're the one who built it, you're the one who get's to break it! Damn man, I'm sorry to see that happen, but as you said, these things happen in racing. Now you get to have the chance to build it again; bigger, badder, stronger! Rinse and repeat. 👍🏎🏁
Ugh! So sorry to hear the news. I have to say Mike, when you fail, you have an incredible attitude towards getting right back on the horse. Keep up the great work my friend. I really enjoy following your journey on the Ferrari build. You've got talent sir!
Bigger and better!! That's what I keep telling myself whenever I can afford to rebuild my engine. Great attitude, great car. You're going to get this thing flying!
Damn bummed she blew. But that's how it goes sometimes. Clearly the car RIPS on track, 1:56's in LOW BOOST mode, that's nuts. You'll be in the 1:40's before you know it man.
Maybe go k20 to reduce long stroke rod failure.
Nah... This clowns cant understand concept of how engine works. Piston speed is myth for them.
Loving the build, but for gods sakes lower the car onto the jack stands properly. I know you probably don't want to scuff up the rails, but when a jack fails it can be spectacular like all/nothing and its very very unpredictable what direction the car goes in (ask me how I know..), two inches in any direction and that's it if you are under it.
Sorry about the issues dude, I have a dog ring Texas 101a box and using clutch can actually wear the dog rings more so decided to swap to a Richmond helical, keep the sequential top loader and use the clutch, I might go back to go back to dog box later but they are brutal
Damn, that sucks. Hope you get it back together fast.
Let's take a moment to appreciate the solidarity of Mike's friends once he got back to the pits. Hugs all around for a guy who's day just went to crap. Here's hoping the Ferrari is back better and stronger than before.
Without a doubt this is the most exciting, eagerly anticipated build out there. Gives me shivers....... its almost Zakspeed capri level. Keep at it Mike, its tough but it's never going to be easy Hitting the highs your aspiring to.
So sorry to hear more bad news! Thank goodness your awesome content is helping with the bills!
Now can we take the opportunity to finally do the LS swap??? 🤣
Sorry you had a problem, and sorry about the expen$e. On the bright side, all your projects up til now, have looked like mostly aesthetic builds. They were show cars. This one is at least as good looking, but it also goes. And you're not just building a race car, you're actually racing it. That's fantastic! It's getting used for what you built it for!
Ok, I never raced cars. I have raced gokarts, and I have road-raced 600 superstock motorcycles. The thing with racing equipment, when you use it, it's like burnout-cars, or drift cars. Things happen. Stuff goes wrong. That's part of the adventure. It does co$t money, but your dream isn't living on the mantelpiece, your dream is alive and doing what it was built to do. That's sort of a step up for Stance Works.
My impression, you had the boost turned down, and you had well less than the redline revs on, so what happened? I thought you had a dry sump in that thing? If it wasn't a loss of oil supply, then what the hell was it? That engine should have been operating at maybe 1/3 of its' capacity at that point. They shouldn't let go under those circumstances. I'm very interested in finding out not only what broke, but why it broke.
Race cars gonna race car. Chin up. My favorite quote is "just imagine what it would be like if it was easy" works for any situation and is an important question when you're down.
Love Love LOVE this project. I love the way you narrate the ups and downs of this project, the way you've been so transparent about the failures and letting us come along for the ride. Even though you're blowing up parts like engines and transmissions, you're not crashing. I am so excited for your project and your future successes. --Thank you for posting and being such a cool car guy. I am certain if I ever got the chance to say hi, you'd be first to shake my hand and talk about the car. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the team!
We break it, we fixed it. Sucks ofc, but it´s part of the process.
You´ll get there, no question. And the car is worth it without a doubt! 👍
Such a bummer about the motor but like you said “that’s racing”. On an unrelated note, your voiceover work is beyond fantastic. From the writing to the sound quality, it’s top shelf man. I can’t wait to see what happens next but just wanted to share some love!
Undoubtedly some sort of stress cracking, which meant the big end came apart. Most likely the rod cap or wrist pin.
I would recommend looking at some of the damping systems which can alleviate transient stresses and vibration. Brittleness is the enemy of strength for high-vibration / transient stress environments.
That piano had me in tears 😅😅😅. Your attitude and humility through developing this car is admirable. $!@# happens and you'll only get better from it!
Welcome to the club man, shit happens… resilience you got this
Hi.Your channel is pure discovery. I really like it and enjoy it. After Australian Mighty Car Mods this is amazing for race car beginings. Great job!
You ask anyone who's built a purpose race car.... they'll all have the same kind of story. Chin up Mike! You've got a car with a lot of potential. Can't wait to hear it screaming again!
Failure IS Success... when testing...
Should invite MCM & Haltech (Scotty & Dave) to do a collaborative video...
glad to see they opened bathurst back up..
I am a Porsche Fan but you did a great job on this Ferrari.. Enzo I think would be smiling.. Love the fluorescent and the white rims.. beautiful...
This is the Quattro telling you "build me" 😊
Seat time is best time. The journey will continue. Presumably you are recording alignment, damper settings, and the AIM info from each event.
Fuck. So sorry man but your positivity is inspiring. Ignore all the folk who have never even been on track saying that you're slow, never mind driven a self-built, big power mid-engined big aero car 😂 Heel and toe is on point ❤ Few observations you'll never read:
1. Threadlock on all engine mount bolts always.
2. Just watching the car you can tell the aero is working well but IMO the car needs to be lower.
3. As per my comment on the last video I'd have concerns over IATs over consecutive laps. Do you have features setup within the ECU to (for example) pull timing should IATs rise?
4. Doesnt matter what you do Porsches are always rolling road blocks on track 😂
Best of luck and keep making this awesome content.
It’s a shame that that the motor blew. Sometimes these things aren’t preventable, it could have just been a fluke bad rod. However it’s my belief when something like this happens it’s the lesser of evils, the motor went so you didn’t oversteer the car into the wall or something! It happened for a reason! I’m looking forward to watching the breakdown and rebuild!
Been there, and it is what it is 😅. You're so right about the serviceability/cost of the Honda vs. Ferrari engine. You'll get it back out there.
I believe you're coming back very soon and will enjoy racing. anyone can clearly see that you are not doing this for money, fame or whatever bs like a lot of people on the social media these days. You are doing this because you enjoy turning these wrenches.
Keep rocking, dude. can't wait for the next video. cheers!
Perfect for that Ferrari V8 bi-turbo engine swap!