What Happens When We Turn From God?
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It's baffling how one man can retain so much knowledge so clearly. Jordan Peterson is one of the great minds of the century
He studied it so intently for so long.
And he's pretty damn smart.
Yes he is. But that doesn't mean he's correct about every bloody thing . . . mate. I know folks are almost always looking for someone they can trust implicitly. That's what religion is all about. It gives us a chance to turn off our own efforts at thinking . . . and coast easy for a while. But don't let it become an addiction. Life is hard. And that means ya gotta learn to think for yourself sometimes. Or take the consequences. And take the consequences no matter what.
@@piehound comparing academia, intellect and perspective to religion is a really interesting thought process.
My Bible says we’re inherently separated from God and comments like yours are just proof to me. You need to develop a true understanding from your heart about God before you draw such conclusions.
His actual science was great and made him famous. His celebrity opinions is mediocre at best. I lost interest when he became a weak puppet of the zionist racists.
@@piehound Religion, at least Christian religion, doesn't tell you to stop thinking or follow blindly. Quite the opposite. What you describe is what atheistic ideologies offer you, which almost ever claim to be scientific or rational.
Peterson is proof that reading books, being learned and being intellectually engaged, is the best defense against tyranny and the creation of a society of sheep. Watching tv and being intellectually dormant is every tyrants vision of a dream society ripe for conquest. He's brilliant.
Very well said. It's encouraging to know there exist others in Western society who see clearly.
@@mchristr+1
Jordan Peterson is the man who woke me up from a socialist mindset. I was so angry at the world for how I turned out. Only once I realized that I actually had the capacity to change my life did things start looking up. All glory to God for everything!
reading this comment actually just got me choked up a bit 😢 there IS hope!
He makes me even more a leftist. I think he is a great public speaker but he lacks imagination.
@@emmaphilo4049 exactly
I couldn't have said it better myself. I turned my life around this past year,put down the booze,and sacrificed a lifestyle that was killing me and my potential. Glory to God.
@@emmaphilo4049 Not everyone has to be creative tobe wildly influencial but I get what youre saying.
Years and years of listening to Dr. Peterson and i still hear new ideas and get my mind blown away . The amount of knowledge, clarity AND bravery he puts out is staggering . Surely God's hand is on him 🙏🏾
I am so very inspired by him, and I'm sure God's hand is upon him. I just hope in the final analysis he realizes that fact and that it will clear his vision about the true nature of God, and who Jesus Christ is and what he has done for us.
I think it's really accurate to call ethics "the necessary constraints required to (repeatedly) interact with one's self and others"
and religion as "the necessary meaning capable of actually adhering to the necessary constraints required to (repeatedly) interact with one's self and others - ie ethics"
I always like to look at nature on how animals act and react, as within nature how the mother will always protect it's offspring, it's baby, willing give up her life in order to protect her baby from anything that would prey upon it, it's nature's given instinct to protect and preserve the life that was born from it. I also have looked at how if a particular animal is trained and they have no natural understanding of what predators are, never to experience what a predator does, that animal will be oblivious to danger and what can happen to it. Case in point, there were some trained donkeys, they had never been exposed to the wild, or to predators, they escaped their enclosure. There were two lions on a hunt and they saw the donkeys, the donkeys with no instinct they were in danger, just stood there as that lions stalked and pounced on two of the donkeys, they soon died by suffocation by what lions do, biting their necks, there was another donkey that had not been attacked and just stood there, not understanding and confused to what was happening to it's companion donkeys, the lions soon noticed that donkey and they attacked it and soon all the donkeys were killed, the donkeys were so innocent and lions were so ferocious and grisly. I could not stand to watch anymore of it.
BUT this is a true allegory to what we are facing here now, ESPECIALLY with the rainbow movement, to what they are doing to innocent children in schools that have become literal playgrounds to predators that are perversion of nature. This is what has happened to the Reimer Twins, to Cloe Cole and all the others who are suffering now. Those parents who allowed this to happened, the ones who fighting for the continuance of it, for the making up an excuse of being inclusive and not hating, they are the enablers of perversion that will cause pain and suffering to their own children.
That is why you must stand up to this, to protect those young who are innocent, who depend on being taught what is right and wrong, in order to live a proper life. Do not listen to the words of these predators and their redefinitions of terminology, it is their mental and emotional tricks of deception, it's meant for the mind to be in a state of befuddlement, disorientation, confusion and then they will try to shame you and force you to comply. DON'T BE CONFUSED, UNDERSTAND THEIR TACTICS, THEIR TRICKS. STAND UP, FIGHT BACK, RESIST THEM, TO PROTECT YOURSELF, TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR FAMILY.
Oh, the things I could say on this.. I'll hold off for now. Thank you for sharing this information, seeing your dedication is enlightening.
Now finally I understood why science is a gift from Holly Spirit ❤
Jordan, I'm a nuclear engineer and I can attest to exactly what you said about engineers and it is the most frustrating thing to work with. I love what we can do with technology but there is an assumption that everything should be controlled by said technology to ensure all outcomes are as expected. What do you do about that? I feel like I'm kicking against what everyone just takes as fact when I feel like I'm just speaking common sense. Love your work.
I can attest . . . (typo)
@@sharoncregier1026 Fixed it thanks
Excellent. Thank you so much.
Thanks Jordan!!!
Amazing perspective. This man is truly a man of his craft, inspirational.
When you turn away from God, you will experience a disconnection from spirituality, a loss of moral guidance, and you will give up your place in the afterlife.
Meanwhile turning to God can result in a deepened spiritual connection, a sense of moral guidance, and the support of a community sharing similar beliefs. It can also offer opportunities for forgiveness, redemption, and seeking divine guidance and direction in life.
"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you of two minds" (James, 4:8).
This verse encourages you to actively seek a closer relationship with God by approaching Him with sincerity and repentance. It emphasizes the need to cleanse one's actions and purify the heart while acknowledging the need to be fully committed to God.
Goodluck and God Bless! 😇 🙏🏻 ❤️
TY Chaps, GOD Bless.
The analogy with rats is an interesting one but the fundamental difference is that if rats choose to no longer partake in a game that they're destined to lose they don't have a sufficient enough understanding of the world around them to know that they won't be able to fund their next meal.
I think this is a good point but ignores that generally in societies through history, when the disadvantaged no longer experience a relationship that is atleast part reciprocal, it ends in violence, protest and revolution. And in individuals and subcultures (that is to say when society as a whole is sufficiently reciprocal but individuals or groups within those societies don’t share that same benefit) we see the emergence of criminality, gang subcultures and the refusal to play the game so to speak. Perhaps even increases in anti social disorders and depressive disorders and psychological disfunction(?).
I’ve only thought briefly about your comment so if my ideas seem unfleshed out let me know. Would be interested to see what you have to say.
@@Screwtoast2 Yes sadly you're right but I'm not going to want to take part in any sort of violent revolution, whose to say I won't be considered part of the problem? The harsh reality if what you say is true but these sorts of transitions are not thing you'd wish upon anyone, you quickly see just how the rules of the jungle are a stone throw away. Germany only needed 25% unemployment for 3/4 years to lead to the rise of the Nazi party.
Jordan clearly stated in this video that powerful rats have a short rule with a violent ending. The high-relationship rats always win the day.
@@pokehunt3r224you don’t know what happened to the germans before the rise of fascism. Take a look at all the perversion taking place by leftoids. The books that were burned when the new regime came had a lot of perversions similar to what you can find today coming from the radical marxists. Add to that the poverty mixed with propaganda that was forcing people to partake in those derangements.
I want to talk to this man, not because he's famous, but because he's a psychologist who knows about God.
Ive watched him over the years discovering Yeshua. Its profound
But isn’t Allah just an imaginary invisible 🫥 superstitious Sky 🌌 Daddy?
@@billycooper8729 God is to you what you have made Him my friend. You can call Him my “sky daddy” and I’m not offended. It just confirms you don’t know Him. I’ll pray for you, sincerely.
@@itskeagan3004 Beautiful reply.
@@billycooper8729 so edgy
Great talk
Jordan Peterson, thank you for bringing these topics and debating on them. I, too, much like many other comrads in this comment section, have been positively influenced by your instigation to pursue a truthful, loving, and courageous life. I think I was a little contaminated by the socialist types to adopt certain behavior patterns and falsely justified social causes. But deep down, I don't think I truly ever believed in most of this contamination, which makes any claims or arguments in which I showed myself compelled to engage purely exist for external validation-seeking reasons. After I saw your videos, I started to realize that I should stand my ground and not let myself be fooled by the manifestation of the chaotic forces that have clearly emerged to disrupt and subjugate society
I hope Hawley is president after Trump or Desantis. Id love to see JP as the Prime Minister of Canada as well ✊ God bless you guys.
thank you 💯
What happens when we turn from God? Chaos and immediate Hell!
Cute statement, but facts do not support it. Iran has a lot of god. So does Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and more.
@@whousa642 London is not much different from those places
@@whousa642 and these countries are not doing good by serving fake gods
@@rudysmith1552 That is the point. Issue is not god
@@whousa642 Ignorance of who God is runs deep in you. Their god is Satan.
God bless you good man
Spot on ❤
Peterson is sounding more and more like the early Christian and medieval philosophers, who established the benchmark for intellectual inquiry. Perhaps we're entering a new renaissance.
Hi, I greatly appreciate, as a christian, your exploration of the bible in many of your videos and your expression that the scientific viewpoint is not the only way to see the world. I would greatly recommend that you read Pilgrim's Progress - not specifically this video, but you are on the right track, it seems to me, on what to do, but I feel as if you are charging up mount sinai following the law. I would love to see what you think of the epistles which are a kind of exposition of the Gospel aswell. Thank you for your work Jordan.
The Pilgrim's Progress is my most treasured book beside the Bible!
I pray for Jordan to turn to Jesus, and discover the peace of God's love.
@@TruthAboveAll08I think he is very close
@almgaming186 At times, I think he is. Yet I'm not sure if he grasps the magnitude of who Jesus is and what he has done. I note that he often refers to Christ in the past tense.
He tends to read far more psychological aspects into both Creation and Salvation. His impressive intellect is the biggest barrier, keeping him from true faith and understanding.
Just as it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven, I think the same equation may one of very great intelligence. Especially when they've been immersed in the theory of evolution and the pinnacles of Psychology. It can be done, it has been done. C.S. Lewis comes to mind, even if he wasn't quite the intellect of JP.
@@TruthAboveAll08 HE ALREADY HAS...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, CHICK‼️❗
He's doing it again, Peterson explains complicated issues so simply that it irritates me, actually influences me to jump for joy?
You're intellectually stimulated. This is a source of joy indeed
"Why isn't it the case that your own contemptible weakness should mean that I can do whatever I want with you?" I would say because as a society we rely on numbers more than individuals. We (perhaps subconsciously) value collective development over the prominence of individuals. When one individual takes dominion over another one shrinks and one grows. When they work together both grow.
To add to that, when one individual takes prominence, the rest begin to hate the dictator
i think it was explained in the video too on why it doesnt purely work that way
Society doesn't care about collective development. Look around, every society is getting worse and worse and all do to leadership that only cares about a few individuals
I think this argument still proves Jordan's point on moving away from God. With this argument, we've now shifted to a utilitarian doctrine where if you're more useful to me alive and unbesmirched, then let's do it. None of this is grounded in any intrinsic value we have as human beings like the Bible teaches. It's a "What can you do for me?" mindset, and that's dangerous from my view.
In the book of Genesis, the writer tells the story of the tower of Babel, where the different nations of the world decided to join together to build a tower to heaven, apart from God and his direction. God confused them by causing them to speak in different languages. In Judges, the nation of Israel's history moved in a cycle, where they returned to God, and then gradually degraded into sin and unbelief. Today we are seeing some in an elite circle abandoning belief in God on the basis of science and technological progress, which if not disproving God, has made him irrelevant. Still however, very many hold that religion is both relevant and necessary. In the book of Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples to beware of the "yeast of Pharisees." The disciples did not understand that Jesus was speaking not of literal bread, but of a spiritual idea and way of life being advocated by the religious elites of his day, as opposed to the life of faith being put forth by Jesus. It is this "seeing with spiritual eyes," that Jesus reached for in his ministry. When we approach life with a rigid literalism and does not search for evidence of God at work in his world, we enter the same cycle of the judges, which abandons the need for and belief in God. We also move away from a community that cultivates "hope, faith, and love," often resulting in isolation and despair. It takes effort to live this way. It takes effort to try to understand what the Bible is talking about, which does not always reveal its wisdom as easily as a newspaper or a science textbook.
Spot on.
I agree, and a really hard thing is that seeing/understanding spiritual truths is not based on our own logic and intellect(unlike everything else in the world.)
We need to truly submit to God, we cant understand everything, we're not anywhere near the level of God.
I know Solzhenitsyn wrote quite a few books about what happens.
hell
Chaos of the worst and tyrannical kind... Where bodies pile up in numbers beyond comprehension
I love you Jordan
Let’s hope the future president of the USofA had Peterson as one of his teachers, absolutely brilliant.
So to sum it up: just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I will sit and listen to Jordan Peterson(Wise Individual)
The philosophical approach and analysis he provides are very appealing to me.
True
❤
Jordan Peterson reminds me of one of the greatest minds and theologiants of the 21st century; Late Ravi Racharias.
Calamity happens.
Sadly we are seeing many people who don’t want God, and all the wonderful laws that he gave us, for our own good. But the people now who have there own agenda, and the evil that will be unleashed by some people will make ,Stalin look like an angel . And when the church is taken out of the world with the Holy Spirit,it will be everyone’s worst nightmare Christ gave his live for all those who would believe and repent and there is no substitute for the best possible gift and he is the only way,
God bless you Mr Paterson and your family praying for you all 🙏.
It is for your own good is a phrase often used by people who beat their children. Look what you made me do is often used by people who beat their wives. Your god is a monster.
The logos J.P. is eluding to here is not inherently Judeo-Christian--it is written in the fabric of "being" itself and extends across a multitude of civilizations and cultures. Some cultures have a more robust moral system than others, but all peoples who are a part of a civilization have one.
The argument concerning natural law, logocentricity, objective value, first principles, etc. Jordan is eluding to here is well-documented by CS Lewis in the series of essays titled The Abolition Of Man. He refers to the logos as the "Tao" (meaning: The Way) borrowing from Lao-Tzu, thus establishing objective value is not found primarily among the Judeo-Christian, and not even exclusively among the West, but among all civilized people. That said, CS Lewis and J.P. agree on a fundamental point: without natural law human persons cease to be persons, humanity will dissolve, and civilization will implode.
"The Chinese also speak of a great thing (the greatest thing) called the “Tao”. It is the reality beyond all predicates, the abyss that was before the Creator Himself. It is Nature, it is the Way, the Road. It is the Way in which the universe goes on, the Way in which things everlastingly emerge, stilly and tranquilly, into space and time. It is also the Way which every man should tread in imitation of that cosmic and supercosmic progression, conforming all activities to that great exemplar. ‘In ritual’, say the “Analects", ‘it is harmony with Nature that is prized.’ The ancient Jews likewise praise the Law as being ‘true’.
This conception, in all its forms, Platonic, Aristotelian, Stoic, Christian, and Oriental alike, I shall henceforth refer to for brevity simply as ‘the Tao’." Some of the accounts of which I have quoted will seem, perhaps, to many of you merely quaint or even magical. But what is common to them all is something we cannot neglect. It is the doctrine of objective value, the belief that certain attitudes are really true, and others really false, to the kind of thing the universe is and the kind of things we are." CS Lewis, The Abolition Of Man
2:20 - 3:05 That makes power objective truth, so this argument is not just nihilistic, but also self-contradictory.
Can I share a story with you? One time I was driving home and I felt the presence of the Lord, come down to me from above. I started getting chills and I felt so comfortable with Him.
I knew if I asked Him to play a song on the radio, He would.
So I said "Ok Lord, play Come as you are..."
I didn't know what station it was on or anything, but I turned the radio on and the song started playing right on the spot, perfectly...
I started getting flooded with chills inside, and started crying. When I got home, He stayed with me for 10 minutes till I got out of the car.
I've been getting amazing prayers answered for around 5 years since, because that experience made me stop doubting when I pray, and I follow Biblical instructions, best I can.
I would really like it if JP watched Answers in Genesis and Ken Ham.
Unfortunately Ken Ham and Answers is Genesis is far too literal for JPs deep and profound analysis
I feel like Squidward when Spongebob makes a perfect statue in 1 hit whenever JP talks.
I always feel like these vague ideas work only on people who are already believers, but they get no chance with non-believers.
That has something to so with the verse where it says people that have more will be given more and those that have less will have even that taken away. I am not explaining this well but it almost seems like predestination and election. It is as if you are either born saved or born damned, and only God knows which one you are. I know it is not that simple and that for each person there must be a point of decision (probably very early in life) at which their fate is sealed, but I don't know where it is.
“In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.”
I have an idea. Why don't we use ancient foreign words to make this bs sound more credible.
Word = Jesus = God
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God. This is the One who was in the beginning with God. Through Him everything came into being and without Him nothing that exists came into being. John 1:1-5
The urantia book would help
It would be better it you did not cut people off when they are speaking, Jordan. Respect.
There is a fourth axiom. If the only consciousness that cognitively and measurably reacts to the concept of logos is human, surely the most perfect example of logos presented in history is Christ. A human being whose message and example is communicated to world history by the Catholic Church that he founded.
Oh look! A supporter of child abusers. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Jesus started the Catholic church?
Is evil easy to conquer or is it equal? It must be easy.
If there was one where is it
my two crushes in one video...handsome and brainy men... all the best to both of you...
Oh Jordan,
Your mind will be blown when you read about how the Tower of Babel is related to the Babylonian empire and the future city of “Babylon” in the book of revelation. The bible is a tale of two cities, “Jerusalem” and “Babylon”.
cool
Science and Metaphysics are one
Hi if any one stand for nothing they accept every thing. Then we stand for something we will not fall for everything. This is true I found over all individuals and human activities.
I can't speak for other Atheists, but from my perception as an Atheist, I believe that in one form or another, in a natural state of being, the universe always existed ... which completely does away with the concept that the universe was created, or that humans suffer because of sin.
To an Atheist, fearing the existence of a god, would be equivalent to fearing the existence of Santa Claus.
From the book … The Church and Mental Health, Published 1953. Phillips Brooks saw the difference between morality based upon anxiety and that based upon faith. “Why is it,” a friend once asked Brooks, “that some of these men who call themselves atheists, seem to lead such moral lives?”
“They have to,” replied Brooks. “They have no God to forgive them if they don’t.”
I will believe in God when God speaks for himself
There is a reason the Bible is called "God's Word". Read it all and pray for understanding.
it's true that you have to take those presuppositions on faith, however i wouldn't call them only judeo chrisitan. i think you can extract those presuppositions from a few sufficiently advanced religious systems. hinduism, hermeticism, bronze-iron age paganism specifically on the egyptian side all have this concept referenced in a way at least analogous in explicitness to the judeo christian worldview.
also, with all due respect, i don't think the fact that you can draw out scientific precursors in religious writings can be used as proof that belief in god is the grounds for objective experience. i've never liked the arguement from interpretability, because it makes the claim that "if religion got us where we are, then religion is the only way to maintain where we are, and by the way, i mean my religion." this is logically incoherent because once we can abstract our axioms from valuable religious relics of the past, we have abstracted them and no longer need to couch them in the same stories.
i think the scientific enterprise made some core errors in its youth, such as assuming its axioms to be self evident. however, i don't think a regression to christian fundamentalism is the way forward. i still think the epistemic humility of an secular agnostic is important. the "knight of faith" mentality, while necessary to some degree, has older, stranger pitfalls than the enlightenment.
Totally agree. Funny how so many here seem to think Christian Fundamentalism is in any way a "forward" direction.
@@Windrake101 It might be a forward direction for people who are going to be fundamentalists anyway. If someone was gonna be dogmatic and simple minded, I'd rather they be christian than woke or islamic. It's certainly not an ideal mindset though. Too sure of what it cannot know. Though this quote tends to apply to trans people more now, the voltaire quote about absurdities and atrocities comes to mind.
Nice username by the way.
To the gym boys... he just explained why building muscles doesn't always get you dates
but its part of it.
I hope nobody thinks that muscles or strentgh on their own make a man attractivte for women.
@@newtonia-uo4889 yes, absolutely. I'm too shy to approach boys at the gym myself, even though some of them are very attractive.
yeah, there's actually an equilibrium to be achieved. The problem is that after gym bros become gym bros, they forget that there's more to humanity than just visual candy. But then again, we're rooted in social media so that's pretty hard to change lol
@@simulacrxm True.
I agree on all except the notion of the judeo-christian religions being the carriers of the logos.
Many of eastern traditions are saying the same thing but they dont have the shared vision of a god that guides all but that spirit is the same in every man. No doctrine is needed when all life is narrated and guided through stories
Mr. Jordan Peterson, Jesus Christ loves you. Jesus Christ is the way,the truth,and the way.
The second axiom seems like a deal-breaker to atheist's and the religious? Who can understand the mind of god? And there's clearly more information to how the universe functions than any human mind could hold too. Perhaps I misunderstand.
Senator Josh Hawley is exactly what we need in a government. Confident and sure of what he believes and knows to be right. He is an inspiration. There should be more like him in every government. From South Africa.
The one who desires to know truth requires a humble spirit. Be careful who you uncritically support and put absolute yrust in.
Lol
While I agree with JP on many points, I think he is mistaken to root his idea of logos solely in the Judeo-Christian tradition. It is also there in the Socratic tradition without the need to introduce theistic underpinning.
My source is “trust me bro” so apologies.
I’m positive I’ve herd him address this issue and gave credit to Socrates and the pre-socratics.
Idk if his is a sufficient argument so I hope you come across it.
Obiously. The logos is everywhere. Before abraham I am. God prepared the world for the logos in flesh.
What do you think about Revelation 2:9?
Jews that say they are Jews, but are not Jews. Humans that are the synagogue of Satan.
He can't keep anything simple 😊
Well, it’s complicated 😂
Hope Jordan sees and adresses this: what is the consequence of unlimited play without any real consequenzes as in gaming nowadays
Probably no different than playing cards. People say it has a moral effect, but I don't really think that. We used to watch Road Runner cartoons in the '50s, with plots of unbelievable mayhem, but it did not warp us. We knew it was not real. We knew that you could not throw coyotes off 2,000-foot cliffs, drop 50-ton boulders on them, run them over with locomotives or blow them up with TNT and expect them to survive. It was just a joke, and we knew that.
Ham laughed at Noah? i never got why Noah got mad. it was just like he got drunk off wine and was naked and he yelled at him 4 coming in his tent and saw him. This makes sense!!
If we control the knowledge, then it's real.
Think about that statement for a moment. It is absolutely true. It doesn't feel like it, but we spend most of our life dealing inside ourselves.
Well technically speaking we spend all of it in there...😂
But I mean concentrating on our internal functions, thoughts, feelings, emotions...
Do I like this, am I happy, I don't like what this person said and THIS is what I WOULD have said...
Our imagination is the key to all of this...
He who captures the imagination, captures the heart as well.
In other words, if you believe it is real in your imagination it IS very real... To you. Which directly impacts how you behave.
Thoughts trigger feelings, feelings trigger emotions, and emotions trigger a reaction or a response.
We were wired this way for a reason, and that is being exploited and taken advantage of at every turn. 👍
Do we really believe that people with gender dysphoria as an example actually WANT to feel how they do? WANT to be confused and unsure of who or even what they are?
Would it be possible for us to believe that their imaginations are running a 1000 directions causing the confusion BECAUSE they are being given a 1000 directions to go?
What about depression... It's been proven its not a chemical imbalance... So what IS it then?
Well... Perhaps it is someone's imagination that is trapped in past circumstances. 🤷♀️
Where does anxiety come from?
Well perhaps an imagination that is trapped in future circumstances that haven't even happened. 🤷♀️
Where does bi polar come from?
An imagination that is trapped in the past and future at the same time. That my friend... Is a system overload. Not a mental illness. 👍
You cannot be Emotionally present in your present life if you are emotionally present in the past or future. 🤷♀️
We become less sympathetic & have less empathy...less tolerant....less human?
You should bring on William Lane Craig
As rational being must have a desire to know the whole reality.
But if a rational being wants to understand the whole reality by using only science, s/he has other desires than overpower a desire to know, and s/he is afraid of truth (not courageous)
He looks so damn healthy
1 Corinthians 1:27
Saint John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”
I like how he brings in the ancient Greek logos. The word. "Luciferian intellects."
Science Theory Of Relativity
someone gets it. but we knocking on the force of tear down. the cosmos is coming for us
Hmmm I wonder why a society where there’s no one who isn’t Japanese is a high trust society
I taught in a japanese boarding school, here in the states. I can attest that their society is not actually built on 'honesty'. what it is built on is conformity. And that, they can trust in. they can trust that EVERYONE will conform. The american teachers were often against a wall with the headmaster. We just did not conform & this got us in hot water time & again. The japanese teachers would accept rules or ideas that sometimes weren't anything we were interested in. They were terribly hard to get to know & get close to; holding their cards close to their chest at all times. I once managed to get fairly close to one of the rare outcast japanese teachers & asked her why everyone would go along with this one rule. She told me that in their culture it was more important to conform & provided a unified PUBLIC front. In private with their own families they did not like the rule & complained about it. But it would never be discussed among the staff & they would never dare go against the headmaster in a one on one situation. She told me that was why the american teachers were always having a hard time. They could never just go along publicly & were bringing shame to the headmaster & organization. We were too independent minded & spoke too honestly to the wrong people. The only thing, in my opinion, that they could 'trust' in was that no one would speak out individually & so the powers that be were guaranteed compliance. Could use lots of other things I gleaned that supports this. not a society I want to live in, altho have respect for the Japanese people.
Evil happens.
I'm a Canadian, and I'm very thankful that we no longer live under the laws of what were once imposed by the supposed god-fearing Protestant Christians.
From the book … Drop Dead: A Horrible History of Hanging in Canada, author … Lorna Poplak.
Capital punishment, the execution of someone found guilty of a crime, dates back to arrival of the European explorers on our shores. In those days, if you were condemned to death, quite a wide range of methods could be used to punish you. You could be hanged, or face a firing squad, or be burned at the stake.
Although Canada remained a collection of separate British colonies until Confederation in 1876, a Royal Proclamation in 1763 replaced the prevailing Canadian legal system with the laws of England.
By the end of the 1700s in Britain, however, the litany of crimes regarded as sufficiently horrible to warrant the death penalty had swelled to 220, including nefarious acts as keeping company with gypsies or skulking in the dark with a blackened face.
In 1828, Patrick Burgan of Saint John, New Brunswick, aged eighteen or nineteen, received the death penalty for the double offence of stealing a watch and some money from his former employer and clothing from a sailors’ boarding house.
Given the power and pre-eminence of religion in Canada at that time, your very life would have been in jeopardy if you were caught scrawling slogans on the side of a church. You could also be hanged for stealing your neighbor’s cow, which was the fate of B. Clement of Montreal. And just in case you thought that the law protected the young as it does today, think again. Children were regarded as miniature adults and treated as such - Clement was only thirteen years old when executed.
Death penalty goes back thousands of years, globally. The natives of America sacrificed humans and babies to their gods too.
@@SantoValentino Any culture sacrificing other humans because of belief in gods ... is nasty.
The belief that gods are involved in any form of life on earth ... resulted in humans committing insane behavior.
Evil?
Even non-human animals were labeled by religious devotees as being "evil."
Throughout history house cats were revered as being holy by those in religions and at other times were vilified as being evil by those in other religions.
Now, for the most part, there are people who simply don't like cats, or people who are very fond of cats.
The cat never was holy, or evil. The cat was just a self-centered creature of nature, and I suggest that as human animals, we also are simply self-centered creatures of nature, and that the terms evil and holiness are hallucinatory results of overactive human imaginations.
“We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
Things go CHAOS....when we turn from God who is òrder. satan is chaos and destruction. God is very ordered in all creation.
Yes tyrants tend to be very ordered individuals. I prefer the chaos of democracy over the "order" of theocracy. thanks
@@sibyloftexas Chaotic or godless democracy is one step away from becoming an autocracy (any kind of tyranny) for your information.
@@rokasdobrovolskis Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea are all "godless" and seem like they're doing much better than the shit hole the US is becoming.
Apologetic Peterson...fuckin great
What if the Internet is the modern day Tower of Babel?
I wouldn't say Tower itself, but more as a powerful tool and a catalyst of building one.
Can anyone doubt that Rome will be the final face of besieged political Christianity before Messiah returns? All alternatives are being systematically crushed as postmodernism runs its course. Left as the only coherence for disintegrating civilization it must synthesize and encapsulate all of human endeavor without the knowledge of God.
“When The Son of Man cometh will He find faith on the earth?”
Science emerged in African way before...In America as well.... Interesting talk.
You must always believe in a power stronger than yourself that is beyond your understanding.
What? Why?
@@luck3yp0rk93”What?” is right. You can’t believe in something that is beyond your understanding. It’s a religious pretension.
If there is a higher power out there that is beyond our understanding, why do we insist on inventing all of these earthly religions that claim to understand and interpret its will?
Why do we still preach that our decisions to obey or disobey said will decide what kind of person we are, and what kind of afterlife we'll have?
@@luck3yp0rk93 because you have a limited perspective as a human. Limited bandwidth to your senses and to your cognitive capabilities. You can never fully understand yourself how do you expect to understand your constituents?
@@gungaloscrungalo8925 i honestly think a better question is why do we write of ancient beliefs and practices rather than trying to understand our place in any of this at all?
What about God tithing from us? It seems the church is very corrupted. And it seems the more difficult things get the more the church buries their head in the sand.
Dishonesty is your food
Matthew 16:19((N.A.S.B.))🌩
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Eminem said it best "THERE'S PRISON AND A JAIL A HEAVEN AND A HELL AND I'M GOING TO ALL OF THEM EXCEPT ONE."
Firstly, one might argue that there isn't an order in reality itself, i.e. there might not be "a logos in the cosmos". It depends what you mean by "order", which seems like a subjective interpretation. The point of investigating then becomes to either to determine whether there is indeed an order, and then what the nature of that order might be. This is related to the "Problem of Induction", which acknowledges that the future might not actually (in reality itself) have even the basic order or resembling the past. And yet we put one foot in front of the other and base our scientific enquiries upon the ideas of reproducibility and assume "an order in reality itself". Calling this a "logos" has intentional theological and Jungian presuppositions.
Secondly, one might argue that such an order is not truly comprehensible to the human "spirit" (whatever that might be). Again, we might proceed as if any such order might be comprehensible, but we are not universally blind to the possibility that reality itself, if it does have an order, might be incomprehensible. In fact, you will struggle to find a respectable physicist that expects any one human physicist to ever comprehend the orderly nature of the entire cosmos. Especially considering advances in quantum mechanics, basing sequiturs on the assumptions/axioms that there is a comprehensible order to the cosmos is already on shaky ground. And yet we continue to put one foot in front of the other, not because there is one comprehensible order in the cosmos, but that there is some characteristic of some kind of order in some aspect of some small corner of the cosmos that we find ourselves in.
Thirdly, the argument that understanding the cosmos would only lead to benefits seems naive, especially in the context of knowledge and technologies being used malevolently or neglectfully. There is no guarantee, and there is significant risk, to spreading knowledge, even the truth. Think about the punishment of Adam and Prometheus, or Kant's murderer at the door, or the unleashing of nuclear power, the Internet and super AI.
And yet we put one foot in front of the other, albeit cautiously, for we know not what we do.
I would also argue that these are not specifically Judeo-Christian presuppositions. Many other schools of thought wrestle with the questions of cosmic order and the limits of human comprehension, as well as the double-edged sword of Truth and the misuse of tools. It certainly suits Judeo-Christians to claim the most basic philosophical thoughts as their own.
Fourthly, calling the practise of testing and potentially rejecting scientific hypotheses a "religious praxis" doesn't seem right or fair. Is there no room for secular behaviour?! Jordan Peterson is basically drawing a line of desirable-fit, extrapolating "God exists and is good" from the points of "we see patterns" and "knowledge often has benefits", conveniently concluding that the fruits of science and technology must be the gifts of religious spirit, rather than secular pursuits.
Peterson seems to be going a bit fanatic.
Very well said.
I've always been an admirer of Jordan Peterson, but I became an admirer in a time when he was rejecting prescribed ideology and condemnding these doctrines that enforce beliefs and behaviours.
Communism, wokeism, postmodernism, whatever they may be, I always found them to be like a postmodern form of religion, albeit very politicised. To see somebody like him use his huge range of knoweldge and his high intelligence to combat it was refreshing, and still is.
But now, to see him adopt religion, the most archaic and still the largest ideology there ever was is disheartening.
"the power game is a brutal doctrine" quote
Now go and watch the interview to Mike Pence and do the right maths
How did our species come to be prior to the religious christian god, stood by for many 000s of years then felt the need at a certain point in our timeline to intervene? Recognising many hundreds of civilisations existing and thriving without any reference to middle east developments on religious thoughts. Truly I think they got on with things and lived a full and meaningful life without such religious "c" dogma. Japan is also one of the most secular countries in the world - not sure what JPs point is with this? Darwin strongest and survival of the fittest vs those that don't believe in your "c" dogma are condemned to hell?
Define "God". To anyone paying attention, the word obviously doesn't mean a Sky Guy with an Eye. And if anyone asserts that we cannot understand 'God', why is anyone still concerned or obsessed with that word ? Fortunately, thought habits and mental installations can be reversed, solved, reset. Can't we all just get over it already ?
He rambles forever
Science emerged in Europe? 🤨
Yes, the scientific method is a european invention, or more profoundly, it is a judeo-christian creation.
A 100% it emerged in europe. Christian europe Single handed changed the history of mankind forever before that history was allways the same.
@@yournewdadq9782 not that history isn't always the same, but the scientific method was invented in europe, it would be shameless and a discredit to truth if we would say otherwise.
Yes
Alot if things. But as I have time again. God is not in the House.
except science didn't emerge in europe and nowhere else. modern science may have. but not uninfluenced. "there's nothing new under the sun"
"Not only is it a power game, it can't be anything _but_ a power game, and all expressions of anything to the contrary are just subtler expressions of a power game"
A spot on criticism of the postmodern left, but it's an interesting one to be used in a discussion about god.
Once somebody has been indoctrinated into a religous ideology: not only is everything the design of a god, it can't be anything but the design of a god, and all expressions of anything to the contrary are just subtler expressions of god's design
Wait. Einstein's Theory Of Relativity Says truth only exists in ones perspective, right?
Yet blind people have entirely normal conceptions of color.
That is true in this perspective lol. So that is why I believe we have a creator that knows that and doesn't hold it against us. Because no one would actively choose hell if they had full knowledge of what they were getting into.
He still believed in the existence of God tho