Star-Lord's Origin is Annoying...
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Star-Lord has been around way before his time on the Guardians of the Galaxy, but his past is weird... like really really weird...
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Funny that MCU star lord basically thinks of himself as the star lord from the comics
*S P A C E - J E S U S*
....so he's an idiot?
He almost is, being the son of EGO and all.
@@christianmccauley7340 makes perfect sense
I think that might be on purpose lol
Star-Lord went from Space Jesus Cop, disappears for decades to become super stoic Master Chief (EMH even got Steve Downes to voice him), then when Gunn made the movie, he gave the entire cosmic side a overhaul. For better, he's now a distinct character... on the other side, early in the movie adaptions era tried WAY to hard, at least now adaptions figured out a compromise of doing the MCU, while doing new stuff within the main comic universe.
Pretty underestimated take here. Gunn & Feige made huge changes to the characters and it was the first time lead characters had been radically changed from the comic versions in the MCU. All the previous Avengers were fairly close to either their 616 or ultimate versions at one stage or another, and they did a damn nice job.
The GotG cartoon sort of did this too as the second movie hadn't come out yet so they made him half-Spartax (not Sparta) and the son of Emperor J'son (not Jason) and the element gun is bio-locked to Spartoi (the empire of Spartax) royalty and belonged to J'son.
Space Jesus Cop. Nice.
I mean he’s somewhat went back to space Jesus in the current run
Yeah I was first introduced to Star Lord in Annihilation where he's depicted as a grizzled war vet, so his lovable jackass characterization in the movie threw me off initially.
The implication I got is that when Peter becomes enlightened, he speaks to his past self in the trippy void, and "The Master of the Sun" was actually him all along, nudging his younger self on to the right path in life.
ALSO.... "Sun's out, guns out."
I think that’s pretty much exactly what Ewing was going for. A journey of self-actualization
so its like free birds?
I didn’t know master sun was him just someone helping quill out and he became what he’s chosen to be
Interstellar?
I'm going to confess that I have no idea what the ending of Interstellar was and this is the best understanding I have of it.
God I love Al Ewing so much
*Cracks open a cold one*
"Jesus was the first star lord." *Sips*
"What."
"You heard me."
I love how the original Yondu was established as being from Earth-691, so they took the opportunity to establish Yondu in the 616 reality as just being Michael Rooker’s character.
isn't the MCU's universe number earth-19999?
@@thewildgamer7670 I believe it is, but I’m wondering how the MCU is going to tackle the multiverse, and have it be in line with the multiverse of the comic book. Maybe they could have cameos from the actual 616 continuity?
@@thewildgamer7670 No, it's not part of the comics multiverse.
@@thewildgamer7670 Almost. The MCU is Earth-199999. One 9 off
@@fantasyconnect It actually has been announced as an Earth in the multiverse. They haven’t really touched upon it, it they have confirmed that it is in the multiverse.
Yeah,star lord from EMH is really a time capsule to what he was before being MCU-ized
@Omoefe Asiemo it's OK to like both. I prefer space commando starlord but enjoy the films
@Omoefe Asiemo i can understand that. A lot of the hate I feel comes not from MCU starlord being different, It comes from Marvel changing the comics to match it.
It's not that there's something new, it's that what we did like was taken away.
@@Kekkersboy And in fairness the movie version is basically a man-child idiot played like a frat bro from Pratt so its very reasonable to dislike his movie self cause he is easily dislikable.
@Omoefe Asiemo I know that and he's still an unlikable jackass. Shit in Infinity War had degraded himself like a child just because he felt his masculinity threatened because Thor was there. He is a pathetic loser.
And dude the comics are what give the movies their stories and characters. You can't just say no one gives a fuck about the comics because without the comics we wouldn't have these movies to begin with. James Gunn didn't just make Guardians of the Galaxy out of nothing, he looked at the comics and got inspired to make the story because of them you rube.
@Omoefe Asiemo I'm just giving you the reason why people are reacting that way
I remember back in the day Star-Lord was like Master Chief, now he’s Chris Pratt
In Earths Mightiest Heroes, he was voiced by the man himself.
He’s so cool!
He's more like a Bob Ross magician now
Now he’s Mario
@@nicwinsteadart5330 Steve downs!
Honestly ever since I learned that Star-Lord is primarily wearing blue in the comics the red jacket design just started to look off to me. I rarely played with the red jacket outfits in the game, often opting for the Post Annihilation or 2019 comic run outfit depending on what mood I was in.
I think on NG+ I'll wear his suit from the 2013 comic run, it's so sleek.
Its annoying how he literally can't wearing anything else now. Like the other Guardians can at least be designed with different looks or suits, but Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and the recent Guardians game always has Star-Lord in that exact same identical jacket.
I always wear the Abnett and Lanning uniform
@Omoefe Asiemo No an actual comparison would be complaining about the overuse of the Iron Spider costume and Stark elements in the suit.
@Omoefe Asiemo Sorry I corrected my comment, I always wear the post Annihilation uniform in the game, or Abnett and Lanning run uniform of GotG
@Omoefe Asiemo Uhhhhhh not really. Spider-Man's design is how he was since the conception of the character, Star-Lord has gone through multiple costumes through his conception and really its just a red jacket. Whats distinctive is his mask, that is actually recognizable than a red jacket literally anyone can wear. And even then character's have worn different outfits anyway, one of Spider-Man's most iconic and beloved costumes is the black suit which looks very different from his normal costume.
No wonder why James Gunn takes so many creative liberties when writing Guardians' films, Star Lord's character alone is just so convoluted.
First exposure to Star Lord was from the Annihilation comics and damn he was so different in the MCU. As someone who was a big fan of that whole saga, I found myself disappointed when the character I liked was changed in order to match the movie counterpart. I actually like the space scoundrel but I really liked Nova's and Peter's dynamic and the space scoundrel didn't seem like the same character.
My first exposure of Star-Lord was the EMH cartoon, and yeah, so weird looking back at it now...
With me too, and, I mean, it's not weird because it's bad, if not why we probably get used to the funniest star lord
I miss that cartoon. We never got to see The Surtur Arc finished!!!
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I remember my brother explaining his origin to me when I started reading Annihilation where Peter Quill had a cyborg eye and face? I had no idea who the character was and Abnett and Lanning's run made me fall in love with the character,..... then Bendis came along and yeah.....Duggan and Cates tried to fix the MCUing of the Guardians that Bendis did, but honestly Ewing has been the writer that has combined Engleharts origins while retaining that familiarity that Abnett and Lanning created that we loved. Edit:Also didn't know Timothy Zahn had wrote his own version of Star-Lord
Yeah, Bendis really just looked at the ending and emotional weight of Thanos Imperative and chucked it into the trash which made me hate that run.
@@Emoney-hy2kn Right? I didn't hate Richard Rider and Peter returning, but how Bendis did it seemed an insult to their sacrifice.
You’re missing context for why Al Ewing reintroduced the whole Master of the Sun thing, so I’ll fill you in; it was basically a big attempt to make Star-Lord less like Chris Pratt, as his character had been completely changed due to MCU synergy. Reintroducing the more mystical elements of Quill’s origin allowed Ewing to rework Peter’s character and even make him bisexual and polyamorous. His adventures in that other dimension are also an attempt to do the original storyline that Englehart wanted to do; you’ll notice that in that issue, Quill’s adventures correspond to the houses of Astrology. Much like he did with Immortal Hulk, Ewing called on old continuity with a new spin to let him “reboot” Peter and make him more like his old character while retaining some of his MCU-ness. It was a brilliant move on his part and made the character more interesting then he’s been in a long time
Eh, sounds more like he needlessly made things convoluted just for the sake of having his Star-Lord be "different" rather than anything that actually adds to his story.
Its part of why I love Ewing's run, he also did the same thing for Drax by reinforcing his human jazz musician past. Honestly the run has been great.
@@denniswilliams6519 are you crazy?? It absolutely added to his story, Ewing’s run is easily the most interesting Quill has been in a long time
Thanks for the master of the sun context. I’m going to reread that with this in mind.
@@brettbaumler754 You don't like Kitty Pryde in a Banana Suit singing whilst Star Lord just kinda references music and 80a things? Say it ain't so
James Gunn straight up transformed the entire lore and looks of Guardians of the Galaxy with just one movie but I don’t mind the design for Star Lord personally
I just find it weird they made Ego the living planet his dad like why not just use the Spartax orgin that would’ve been way cooler in my opinion
James Gunn has commented on it before, basically he dislikes J'Son and the whole royal family side of the story, so he decided to something else, likewise the new The Story of Marvel Studios book its also revealed that Joss Whedon too hated the original origin and told Gunn to not do J'son and Spartax
@@eagc7 I don’t understand it sounded more simple than the whole Ego thing and it made more sense but it’s whatever I guess
Agreed. But I do enjoy Kurt Russel’s character
You'd have to bring in a lot of space elements, which at the time belonged to Fox due to most of Marvel's space originating from X-men and Fantastic four
@@eagc7 nope he had to use Ego to get the rights to him for Marvel to have Ego in Deadpool not because he dislikes J'son
Owen Grandy (Jurassic World)
Peter Quill/Star-Lord (MCU)
Emmet Brickowski (Lego Movie)
Cooper Daniels (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien)
Jake/Gorilla Boy (The Batman 2004)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Kinect Star Wars)
Barley Lightfoot (Pixar's Onward)
Super Mario (Illumination's Mario Movie 2022)
Garfield (New Garfield Movie TBC)
We have so many Chris Pratt characters we can make a Chris Pratt battle royal.
That's so cool
Now you can add Garfield into the mix
You forgot his appearance in Parks and Recreations
Can we just talk about how the "Master of the Sun" gave him his "powers" and Starlord was almost played by Glenn Howerton.
The Golden God deserves only the best.
Day man. Daaaay man
"It was a lot of fun to read, even if I didn't quite get all of it." - seems like that could be applied to a lot of Al Ewing's books 😅
After that end credits from Guardians of the Galaxy 3, it's very possible that Peter Quil will have his own solo movie called "Star Lord" just like the comic.
Damnit, that was a spoiler wasn't it?!!
@@dylansharp8471 I guess? I don't know tbh.
Him being a merciless space bounty hunter with the personality of Master Chief would be cool. Just innit for the money and gets the job done
So between the child of the celestial madonna, Adam warlock, and Starlord Marvel surs loves the idea of "space jesus".
They even have a Cosmic Satan
@@TupocalypseShakur who is it?
@@macaemeia146 mephisto
@@kartikadewi3270
No, it’s One Below All. One of his aliases is literally “Cosmic Satan”.
Marvel always liked to do the idea of superman, just focusing in different aspects. Thats why theres so many space Jesus, because superman was *the* space jesus
As generic as the Disney GotG cartoon was, I appreciate they kept star Lord's father as Jason. Jonathan Frakes even provided the voice.
I like how the problem arose, in trying to dumb down to the source material to bring it in line with the MCU. Then was made even more convoluted in trying to remove said synergy. Basically they should have left the MCU onscreen, instead of trying to dilute the comics with it.
@Omoefe Asiemo It all comes down to the approach.
@Omoefe Asiemo The 'all or nothing' approach definitely doesn't work. All it does is alienate existing fans.
How I see it, the MCU films are adaptations of the Marvel Comics source material. Folding these truncated and diluted depictions back into the original source material is needless.
For example, when Peter Jackson made the LOTR trilogy. They didn't go back and rewrite the books to accommodate the movies.
@Omoefe Asiemo The length of the source material is immaterial. The MCU changes don’t enhance the source material. Quite the opposite. Hence why subsequent writers have gone out of their way to remove them and distance the comics from the films.
Always interesting to see fellow comic fans say that adaptations are diluted because they're different
@@kana_emiya Actually dilute is the proper term in the case. Its not a secret that the MCU had to tone down elements to make it fit onto the live-action setting. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does change a ton of stuff like the characters like the simplication of the Hulk who is very weaker and has none of the other colorful personalities like Joe Fixit. In Guardians case there was so many changes done to the property to make it fit the movies that its almost an entirely different series.
I like Peter being a prince but I do actually like the MCU everything else more
Same i actually know more of MCU star lord but imo like him more.
I honestly knew who he and the Guardians of the Galaxy were before the film courtesy of Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes the greatest marvel series ever at least on an animated plane. The difference between them and the movie version is just bizarre. I mean Star Lord for one is a serious guy unlike the movie version who is just serious but more comedic character.
I like Star-Lord as a 70s or 80s rock fan exploring space with a ragtag group of aliens. They might be more like pirates than heroes but one of the coolest Marvel groups ever, and one of the most relatable in alot of ways. The Guardians aren't just a superhero team, they are a dysfunctional family of people who have either made terrible mistakes in their past, or have lost their families. StarLords character is cool to me because almost as soon as he makes his way into space, he could very easily make his way back home to Earth if he wanted. But why would he when the galaxy is full of wonder, and he has nothing left at home?
The game did it well, really captured the pirates vibe
You know, I was always confused by the Guardians cartoon that ran after the first movie and how it did storylines that ended up contradicted by the second movie. Seeing this, I now understand that the cartoon was basing it off of the comics, while the movies did their own thing. Still find it odd though, why make this cartoon to be a seemingly canonical continuation of the first movie when the second movie would end up following a completely different plot.
Those cartoons were honestly super weird
Wait, the cartoon was considered a continuation of the movie? I thought they were always a different universe?
@@michaeldunlap1032
Well events SIMILAR to the movie happened, but as far as I know, it's different universe from the MCU.
Is the "Spider man the new animated series" all over again. The cartoon its inspired on the movie, they are not in the same universe as the mcu
I love that his origin was finally updated and made sense of and then marvel was like no it needs to be more convoluted
“Kinda seems unnecessary but okay”
Applies to most comic retcons lol
I kinda prefer the newer MCU design/story. Old 80s one with the blue and yellow I would often confuse with Starhawk/Stakkar from the older GotG team, cuz thats what was current back when I first got into comics.
That original story for Star-Lord actually sounds really cool
I've never really been a fan of how they changed him to fit the MCU version, it felt weird especially when their was a version still like the late 2000's one in another comic still being published.
Also I find it weird that they changed bis dad from Jason of Spartex to Ego, just feels like it limits story potential for me.
The 2020 run did so much for the guardians as a whole but especially for Peter. Since the Run before the 2020 one, it was nice to have a slightly more serious (and down to earth???) version of Peter.
It's also intresting how they brought back the whole idea of the master of the stuff.
If they picked J’sonn as his dad, it could have been be a better Star Wars movie mixed with Valorian
Is it weird I prefer MCU Star-Lord, the Guardians are the only characters I prefer in the MCU to the comics.
@@tmntlorefan7518 even drax?
@@KingRogue I think his chemistry works with the team, but as a standalone character I prefer comic Drax.
@@tmntlorefan7518 fair enough, I do love comic Drax
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If I remember right the backstory of him as the son of a Spartax space king in the cartoon, I like it a little better than him as Ego's kid
“He was Space-Jesus” So Starlord was just Obi Wan Kenobi? Huh
Space Jesus would be Anakin born fatherless and to be the chosen one
That line from Infinity War, “And what am I supposed to say, Jesus?” is so much funnier now.
Love the incredibly small "It's always sunny" refrence
My only exposure to him outside the mcu is the game
My first reaction to him mentioning he’s technically an heir to a massive empire was basically “WHAT!? I mean that’s cool but WHAT?! YOURE TELLING ME THAT HE ISNT ACTUALLY A COSMIC BEING DESCENDED FROM A LIVING PLANET?!” I think I actually like that concept more
The heir concept not the ego one
you think Star-Lord's origin is annoying? OG Drax the Destroyer (Arthur Douglas) begs to differ!
Oh trust me. I know.
Hey Drake, could you do a video on the 2001 comic miniseries "Justice Leagues"? It involves aliens, Hector Hammond and the members of the league being wiped of their memories of the JLA and making their own league like "Justice League of Atlantis" ,"Justice League of Arkham" and "Justice League of Amazons". It is very "Because Comics" and I think it is up your alley.
I usually like when comic can bring back things from older stories. That Master of the Sun stuff just doesn't work for me. It hadn't been referenced since the 70's, those stories are considered an alternate reality. There's never any references to it in 616, let alone a reference to Peter having memories about it, or even learning that the memories were implanted. It's unnecessarily complicated. It really conflicted with the type of character Quill had become, a guy that relies on tech, his wits and his team.
Honestly, I like MCU Star-Lord the best. Chris Pratt just sells the role too well
Something I love about these videos is I ALWAYS learn something new. Thanks for putting the time into this every week dude. You're awesome which is why I'm a subscriber
So basically Peter use to space jesus but an asshole
well that was unexpected
The OG 70s costume slaps the new jacket coat thing is wack.
I digging the master of the sun angle. He looks like a member of the band Valiant Thorr now lol
I guess NASA really didn't fix their security after Reed and the FF stole their ship
Love your content. I’ve learned so much about my favorite characters. Great work!
You should do a video on the time Spider-Man crossed over with Ren and Stimpy and fought Powdered Toast Man.
I love all of your vids. Doing great work
This was a great video. I'm honestly really enjoying the Eidos/Square take on the characters in the game, especially Star-lord. I'm really glad they got carte blanche to do whatever. The art direction makes the whole thing for me.
imagine getting adopted by an blue alien human
Fire as always my dude!
love the holding-the-mug thing. for absolutely no reason, like rebooting a character 3 times
What would be your favorite Nicolas Cage comic related film: Ghost Rider, Kick ass, Astro Boy, Superman Lives or Spiderman into the Spiderverse?
Ahhh shit spidyverse is definetly the best movie but as for him being a leading role , ghost rider is just too badass and batshit insane to not be my favorite
I like the original Star Lord more than the buffoon they turned him into in the MCU. I'm glad that they're pulling back from that in the comics.
@Omoefe Asiemo MCU Star Lord is a fucking Joke. Marvel has further reinforced with What If.
@Omoefe Asiemo Oh yes sure its a "terrible show" for showcasing that literally anyone can be a better Star Lord than Peter fucking Quill.
@Omoefe Asiemo How is it any different. Marvel in it's movies have hammered in that Peter is a man child. His only worthwhile moments in the MCU have been serious moments with Yondu, his mom and his plan against Thanos in infinity war. Other than that, the MCU version of star lord is constantly presented as a joke that no one respects.
@Omoefe Asiemo Its a what if dude. Its basically just bullshit for the sake of having fun. Thats what a what if is.
@@redchaos130 I mean that’s the point. He isn’t supposed to be a serious badass. He’s a fun, lovable doofus with some skills and tech. What’s wrong with that, it’s certainly more entertaining.
@6:39 - *The Byrne/Austin/Claremont Starlord book is fantastic. 3 masters of their craft at the height of their powers. The art is amazing!*
I just found out that the original version of Star Lord was retconned out of the 616 canon and moved to universe 791, which _supposedly_ is where Sinjin was.
i got steve englehart's first star lord comics, they are really very entertaining and give you a different feel than any other marvel comic. It's a good read in My opinion
Thoroughly interesting and enjoyable!
Great vid!
All these guys borrowed the Space Ghost formula
Starlord just became a fucking boomerang, dog. One second he's Space Jesus, then he's half-alien, then he's comin' back around in the MCU as the half-alien son of a God!
The Church of Universal Truth? Isn't that from Jim Starlin's Dreadstar?
Why are all the other logos in the background removed? Did Square Enix really ask for that? It doesn't really matter, I just think it's a bit silly, and it feels kinda empty
He removed the DC logos since this is a Marvel character
@@TupocalypseShakur It's not just DC Logos, but still. He hasn't done that before when discussing Marvel characters, nor the opposite when discussing DC characters.
And it's on the video sponsored by the Marvel Game. Even though in the video sponsored by DC he didn't do that. It's not hard to put 2+2 together
6:23 This got from weird to depressing................fast
I guess, in a way, based of the MCU movies, if his dad is a giant space planet entity godlike thing and he is his son, doesn't that make space jesus?
13:06 YAY! The return of Rocket's baller suit! Saw this in the game and saw it apparently was from Rocket's own line of comics.
Maybe there are actually like… 18 different Starlords in 616 and some weird cosmic shit causes them to rotate out without anyone noticing, like in TFS’s Plan to Eradicate Christmas how when Santa talked about how Trunks destabilized time it cut out for a second to show the original game footage of the special then back to normal.
To be clear, this is a joke.
This is great! If you can one day, can you please explain all of the Ghost Riders please? Not sure if all of them are Johnny Blaze or some guy named Dan..
What? Did you forget the OG Guardians of The Galaxy with Martinex and company? Yondu was even part of the quartet. I know the story has nothing to with Quill, but still.
Cool. That's not relevant to the Star-Lord... at all.
I never knew how much people could hate a red coat so much🤣🤣.
4:31 DAYMAN!
"My witchy girlfriend informed me that Earth is responsible for my unhappiness... Because astrology."
Nice episode! Love the humourous moments 😆 lol! Stay Positive!
My first exposure to Star-Lord was the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, which is weird how he comes across as two separate characters in the show
Funny enough that was ALSO my first exposure to the character and the guardians as a whole before the film came out.
"which is weird how he comes across as two separate characters in the show"
How so?
@@dylansharp8471 I think he means he was comic accurate in ultimate spider man, and then he's just the film version in his own cartoon.
His origin is as convoluted as my upbringing 🤔 EXCELSIOR 🤣😅
This game will be fun i think.
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4:30 Aaah fighter of the night man aaaah
Is the slim body guy with blue/or purple skin and a dinosaur fin mohawk, an alternate version of Yondu?
I saw it on the cover of a comic but, I don't remember any specific other details, or what comic it was. I took it as confirmation when in GotG vol. 2 MCU movie, Yondu got a tall mohawk. But, similarities in comics are aplenty. So, I can't be sure. Another description of what I saw would be, he looked like the Savage Dragon character with a slim build and blue/ or purple skin.
Already subscribed so I'll give you a like to bait that dopamine.
Good stuff as always.
Keep rising man.✊🏾
He can't be Space Jesus. Thats Adam Warlocks job.
Did you simplify your background? Looks nice! A bit less cluttered too, I like it!
They’re are only marvel logos, cause I think it is sponsored by marvel
You should make a video on the elongated man
Drake: "the planet that's making me feel sad is earth"
not surprising TBH
That Earth/Gf joke was hilarious btw. I plan to steal it.
Day Man! Ooh aaaah!
Dr.Strange: What Master do you serve?
Peter: What am i supose to say? JESUS?!
You know I've wondering about this for a while
Please do a video explaining Sentry.
Can’t believe they got Mario in marvel comics
Now I'm kinda disappointed he never get the elemental gun in the movie, that sounds so dope
Maybe we could see him get it post-Volume 3?
Wait that games out already!!! :0
I know this is a hot take but... I actually preferred his blue suit he has in Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes And Ultimate Spider-Man. (The Avengers cartoon is how I was introduced to the Guardians of the Galaxy)
His blue Marvel NOW! costume aka "the sleek lord" is such a waste. I actually really liked that suit. I remember it only lasting a few issues before being replaced by the MCU version
4:31
He's a master of karate and friend ship for everyone
The only reason I knew about the guardians of the galaxy before the movie came out was Lego marvel superheroes, and when Chris Pratt played emmet in the Lego movie, I remember being so excited that Chris Pratt was going to play the main character, I was a kid. But good times
Great video as always Drake, professional and interesting. Also the video game (the sponsor) is really fun guys. If you liked Uncharted, or Spider-Man PS4 it's basically a mix of those two.
So does anyone happen to have a sorta streamlined reading order for how I could read some Star Lord stuff that doesn't leave me with a bunch of unexplained changes? (Even if the explanations aren't great I'd rather have it explained as say, the og origin was a false memory, than no explanation at all)
I'm totally confused on Yondu's timeline now. Ever consider doing a deep dive on him?
Star Lord looks like Larry Butz in that thumbnail.
I knew who Ant-Man was long before I knew about Star Lord, who I first found out about in Avengers EMH.
I like the background, not sure if this is the debut but its a tweaked version that seems fantastic for marvel and assuming you have a similar one for dc.