Is BIG VOLUME Training Dead? What We learnt Riding With PRO CYCLIST Jay Vine
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2024
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Well that was fun! So great to spend the weekend with Jay and Are, even better to get out on the bike with him and be able to bring to this to you.
We are very lucky to have athletes like Jay willing to share this information with the online cycling community, so as always a big thanks to him.
Finally we have to mention Jesse Coyle @nerocoaching who managed to film some additional footage on his GoPro without a massive red smudge ... kudos :)
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:14 New Coach New Training
03:00 Big Volume Training?
04:43 Nutrition Plans
06:15 Descending With Nibali
07:30 Pro Team Kit
09:41 Best and Worst Races
12:08 What's Coming Up
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Jay, “pro hours are dead. I only do 30 hours” 😂😂
No he said he has done that one in his life
@@ChrisMillerCycling 20 hrs/wk - last 3 weeks - Strava
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If you want to get better from where you are, increasing your hours is pretty much the only sustainable way. You can't simply make your hard workouts harder, but you can always go longer the rest of the time.
love the video 👍 It's been awesome to watch Jay's journey through the great videos Chris. And absolutely fantastic to see Jay remain so down to earth and still just a lover of the bike and sport like all of us. he is a fantastic ambassador for Australia. Hope he takes the National champs!
Love the access you give us to this world. Thanks to both of you!!! Howdy from Austria. FYI Jay Vine has a new fan. Love his down to Earth attitude.
It si a treat to have this first hand conversations with Jay...thank you!!! Saludos from Barcelona!!!
Great video! Jay such a down to earth nice guy. Can never have too much of him on the channel.
Thanks for sharing this with us. Awesome stuff Chris.
So good to see JV out riding with you, great vlog!
I’ve been a Jay Vine stan ever since I saw him win stage 6 of the Vuelta! I love that you have him on so often.
This was a great chat. My question for Jay - "If you could go back 5 years with what you know now, what would you do differently"?
Great video!! Can’t wait to see jay on that colnago 😍
How GOOD is this!! Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it Shannon.
Would be awesome to hear more about Jay’s training structure now. Weekly breakdown of intervals, Zone 2 work etc. great insight vid
Hoping to catch up again with him before the new year.
Great video, great cyclist watching from Spain!!!
thanks Chris and Jay!!
Jay's Z2 is making Chris work!
HAHA!! It’s that obvious was it 😂😂
@@ChrisMillerCycling you can relate how bre feels
I once did a 6h week!
Great choice of music Chris!
Nice to see the old Nero crew riding together again! 😊
Would love to know Jay's perspective now on doing interval workouts on an indoor trainer vs real world, having done a lot of specific intensity / intervals on the trainer prior to him going pro. I.e could the toruqe specific efforts he mentioned be dialled in even more efficiently (potentially) locking in erg mode at X Watts holding Y cadence?
Great vid 👍🏻
Can you make a follow up where you attempt his “4min@400w@50rpm” torque workouts 😀
Keep in mind, the 400 for many Pro's is at or near their FTP. So while it sounds crazy, you could do this at your FTP, at 50 rpms as well. The first few are ok, it's about on #4 where they start to suck. I have my athletes do these but limit the rpms to 60-65. "Not Pro's" but effective nonetheless.
I agree with your new training method of high torque low cadence.
Its something that works really well with my body and muscles i can maintain more power for much longer at low cadence. Been testing different crank lengths and this style seems to fit with longer cranks.i guess i have more slow twitch fibers than fast twitch.
Great to watch. I'm an mtb guy but throughly enjoyed this insight.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great interview
Jay Vine seems like a great bloke.
I'm in the Philippines and do not use a base layer. I sweat a lot here (I'm from the US). But I notice you wear the base layer, yet you ride around with your jersey unzipped frequently. Not getting the logic of this if the base layer is doing its job. I will admit that my jerseys feel very wet during rides, and a base layer may reduce the feeling of wetness, but the amount of sweat remains the same. Is the "feeling of being less wet" why you use the base layer? Topic for a video/blog???
I am with you Chris on the base layer. Got a trainer for the first time and trained inside. Saw everyone training shirtless I was like that seems great. Sweated puddles. I decided to throw on a tight running shirt! No sweat in the ground at all. Shirt sucked it all up
Summer base layers are the way 😂 while riding with the jersey unzipped. After talking about the lengths people go to get aero gains 😢
Wear the base layer all the time, says Chris with his jersey unzipped haha
so a Colnago with Shimano is the new bike. Niiice
Was Jesse out of the saddle for the whole ride??
Follow up vlog “why all your rides should be out of the saddle” 😂
The 7 NM thing sounds like Rigobert Urans training ;-)
Let's hope that Jay can follow up his fantastic 2022 with an even better 2023!
Great catch up 👍
Love the all blacked out C68 Jay Vine is riding. Wonder how he feels about it compared to the Canyon. Curious to see how his climbing will be on it in the coming year
He's riding a Canyon Ultimate
Pro cyclists in general seem so down to earth. No ego, no arrogance.
It is the most underrated part of our sport. Could you image a professional footballer of basketball player being this down to earth and honest.
Cycling is a humbling sport.
400 @ 50 rpm is doable for me, I only really notice in zones > 120%FTP that trying to do 105 cadence is going to give me better power or less effort for the same or greater power. Other than that it's torque for days always has been.
Really good video🤘
Love the catchup with Jay. He is still wearing the old team kit (I suppose contracted to end of year?) But it seems it's the new colnago, but just blacked out? Is that UAE red on the forks?
normally they are allowed to ride "no name" new bikes - but the kit has to be worn until 31st of Dec. (funny to see on Dec. training camps, were some guys have to wear their old Team kit)
Love the blacked out Colnago
Professionals are doing my workouts. I've been doing these workouts since the early 1990s. Nobody was doing it except me. Now you know why they call me the God of speed
Did I miss the video on your Factor?
Vincenzo descending is just doing Vincenzo!
very cool...the base layer i mean
what the heck, no cars in North Sydney... did you close the roads down on the highway?
Did anyone twig to the World Tour Pro going for a casual spin and chat through the Shire?
Base layers. I believe the hype. Wicks away the sweat. I’m on board! Has jersey fully unzipped. 😂
There's wicking jerseys arent there? I mean...if that's what you want to buy into...?
Otherwise wear a bloody super light jersey which are barely capable of being called 'material' anyway. two layers instead of one makes no sense to me.
I also wear a base layer all year around :D
Is he riding a Colnago here? I know he’s going to UAE
i didn't understand why he was using a colnago (I think Prototipo) instead of his team's bike (Canyon)
Love it.
i did 920 km last 2 weeks evvery dag 4 hours now my body is really tired eat only 3000 kcL a day butt losing anny weight think my body need some rest
I’m with you on wearing a summer base layer 365 days a year Chris. I feel more comfortable regardless of the temperature outside. 👌🏼
Comfortable on 35 celzius with base layer?doubt in that
@@mikicastan When you spend most of your time down under, that's probably not hard to do..
I enjoy seeing pro riders cycling with us plebeians... but only when they are down-to-earth nice guys like Jay.
the tour in the 80s had 5, 6, and 7 hour stages. Much shorter now. big mile training is used to lose weight and stimulate RBC and mitochondria synthesis.
Nice prospective, but all pros think what they're doing is the way to go, and their fans will support whatever they say, but wonder how deep into monster tours does it work out.. But I do like the difference..
An RM giveaway in the works??
Can someone explain reason for smart trainer pedaling after race.Cheers
cool down - not soo clever to stop at peak watts
Lactate clearance
@@XavierHipolito what else? Improve mitochondrial growth? What about mct transporter? What about stimulation of slow twitch fibres or teaching the body to utilise fat so glycogen can be spared for the sprint right 😂
@@PhiyackYuh what? 😂
v4rs?
I think what he calls big training and what I call big training are two completely different things :D :D
Thought Jay is in UAE now.?
1.1.2023
@@MichaelBoogerd ok thanks
Of course not
FINALLY!!!!! A rider talking in terms of torque and not watts. Torque is far more important than focusing on watts. If you don't know the torque (Nm load) the wattage/HP numbers are useless. I so miss my powertap from 2003 which gave me the Nm load in real time and thats what I based my training on. My coach at the time went on to coach a two time winner of the TDF. Most important I use my knowledge in engine tuning to make the most out of my power tap. It is a crying shame manufactures hide the torque data. The cyclist legs-pedal connection is similar to the piston and connecting rod in a engine. Engine tuners want to know the load on the piston which will help determine potential to generate X amount in power. You would never see a sensible engine tuner showing graph that left out torque. Torque and power are some what connected. The cycling community always try's to rewrite the laws of physic just to sell products or to satisfy a cycling myth (IE: Cranks longer than 175mm are bad...I use 210mm) The main thing a cyclist should be focused on is the force they are applying to the pedal. Load at the crankshaft goes too high, your legs blow up just like a piston would.
210mm! I didn't even know they made em that long
@@oscarmarroquin4751 I've been running 210mm cranks from Zinn Cycles for over ten yrs and I just love them (Road bike and MTB). The acceleration is great. BTW I ride at 105 rpm and do my sprints as high as 120rpm. Longer cranks also means I can ride a smaller bike.
Pffffffft
There is no science background supporting that. How do you explain the gains you're telling you have?
This is not even close to the main thing they should be focusing on.
Your power taps torque figures will also have been skewed by gearing, since that is what gearing does.
Ultimately the speed at which a rider moves at (or even their acceleration) is a function of their power not torque.
Rider A making 250w @ 100rpm and rider b making 250w @ 150rpm, will move at the same speed, (bar some differences in aerodynamic or drivetrain efficiency) despite drastically different torque figures.....
And even if it did matter: 400w @ 45rpm = a set torque anyway.... the word chosen makes no difference
Your coach thinks that transfer of weight training to cycling performance may be minimal. Frans Bosch thinks it’s a waste of time for that reason (except maybe for track or sprint cyclists).
So how much they train per week?
He puts everything on Strava
Don't forget he's probably got access to legal PED's that the general punter doesn't have access to :)
Big hours are done, I only do 31hr weeks 😂
Big volume training is dead
Egan Bernal : "Hold my beer"
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20% off RM makes it an appetising 400k, pocket money hahaha
You do understand that I'm the first person that ever did structured training using intervals in cycling.
My Strava is the proof..
No one was doing structured training and cycling only I was.
For years they were making fun of me asking me. What are your base miles..
I never knew what to answer and felt embarrassed..
Years later pass by and people start doing my workouts and forget our arguments.
I was humiliated many times in circle of cyclists. Making fun of me saying that I only do 30 minute rides. 20 minute rides. 10 minute rides.
Yet these bozos couldn't take me in a race..
And we're blaming me for taking steroids.
Years later pass by and these bozos have forgotten an our arguments.
They make believe that I don't exist and that what we were arguing about never happened. That's how pathetic the cycling world is..
All I have to say is thank God for Strava. If it wasn't for this guy Vinny pushing me to start a Strava, I would never have the evidence.
When I was doing structure training in the 1990 No one knew what I was doing. They were all confused asking me. What are you doing?
I myself did not know what to say or how to explain my workouts because I myself did not know what I was doing. I was just trying to apply what I knew as an athlete coming off of track and other sports. I would push my fitness in other sports using intervals..
I am the first this is fact!
Everything that I've been saying about cycling racing and how they should be training. You guys are saying it now. I've been saying this since the early '90s.
I am the one who proved that shorter. More intense workouts is the way to go. I'm the one who was screaming on all the training platforms that my training is the future.
These "pro cyclists" videos get so tedious.
go train then
Didnt hot lap beauy
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