Jocelyn Gould Talks Jazz Guitar Playing & Tone [Plus Benedetto & Two-Rock Tonal Bliss!]
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- We get schooled in the art of true dedication to music, tone and jaw-dropping guitar playing
Welcome to the show! It is our great pleasure to welcome Juno-award-winner, music professor, stellar guitar player, captivating singer and all-round awesome human, Jocelyn Gould to That Pedal Show.
Jocelyn was in Europe doing some live dates, during which she dropped in to see us. What followed was a masterclass in learning and dedication to the instrument, a whole heap of inspiring advice and, of course, some utterly wonderful playing and singing.
Huge thanks to Jocelyn for taking the time, and also to our good friend Michael Watts for helping glue it all together.
Enjoy the show!
Jocelyn on the web - www.jocelyngould.com/
Gear in this episode…
• Benedetto 16-B www.benedettoguitars.com/prod...
• Two-Rock Joey Landreth Signature www.two-rock.com/amps/joey-la...
Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing and hello!
2:58 Late starter on guitar?
6:00 Turning a 180 into jazz guitar
7:25 Understanding melody and harmony
8:50 How to move on from blues changes
12:30 Don’t need theory to play?
16:13 Everything affects tone
17:40 Jocelyn’s Benedetto 16-B
20:25 Jocelyn plays ‘Jingles’ by Wes Montgomery
23:00 Jazz tone?
28:50 Angle of your pick
33:35 Jocelyn plays for us
36:20 Strings?
38:45 Good places to start learning jazz
40:38 More on II-V-I
44:40 Where to start?!
47:40 What to listen to
50:15 A mic on the guitar too?
52:57 I Haven’t Managed To Forget You, by Jocelyn Gould
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Thank you Mick and Dan for such a fun afternoon ☺️ Meeting you two was such a highlight, a memorable day 🎸 Thank you to everyone for all the wonderful comments on this video, too! 💜 A few comments have asked what pick I’m using - I forgot to go down my pick rabbit hole!. This is a 1mm Dunlop Primetone.
Thank you Jocelyn! We’ll echo everyone’s comments here and say that it was a truly enlightening day for us. See you next time - the TPS door is always open! X
Mind blown, guitar skills on another planet and then……..that voice 😮
Amazing talent and personality. Was great to watch you perform. I have been down a 10 year rabbit hole with picks myself. Thanks again.
I just haven't managed to forget that no matter how incomprehensible what I'm hearing, there's a tear drop rolling down my left cheek 🎵
Wow. Jocelyn. I am blown away and will now seek to listen whenever I can. Also. I didn’t think I’d see these 2 look as happy and emotional and star struck as they did with Noel Gallagher. However you achieved it. It was special for them and us and thank you for sharing your talent !!!
My initial reaction when hearing this caliber of playing is, "I'm a terrible guitar player..." but eventually that shifts to, "It's incredible that there are people that can do *this* with the same instrument I enjoy playing." Goodness. Thank you for introducing me to Jocelyn!
Very well said Tyler. I feel exactly the same way, it’s almost liberating in fact.
Couldn’t have said it better
The key is just being the best you that you can be. Even if you think you suck. Find the thing that’s you and do that thing better than anybody. People want to compare Hendrix and Page which is stupid because Hendrix is the best Hendrix and Page is the best Page and that’s why they succeed. Jack White is the best Jack White. Nobody can be Jack White the way he does.
Amen..I have same sentiment...Thanks for introducing her to us that are unfamiliar
same! We're all on the journey together.
Jocelyn is my professor at Humber College she rips so hard on guitar and a super lovely person
Me? Envy you? No… not at all 🙈
Thats so cool!!!
Ha! I was looking for another humber cat… now we will sit here in CZcams anonymity mwuahahaha…
That was mesmerizing! You don't actually realize that you're in a trance until she stops playing. What a gentle soul and an incredible artist. One of the best TPS episodes ever.
So, the whole episode I’m thinking she has a great jazz tone without being muddy, her note choice is super interesting while always incredibly musical… and then she sings the last song, and it all comes together.The hybrid electric/acoustic recorded tone, the beautiful and always interesting harmony and melody choices, and HER VOICE!!! Beautiful, alluring, vintage and modern at the same time. This is all the best parts of jazz (in my uneducated opinion). What an absolute treat!
not only is her playing epic , but jocelyn's voice is glorious - thank you lads !
I saw Jocelyn at the Vancouver jazz fest recently- she is so humble that she didn’t even mention one of her albums won a Juno ( Canadian Grammy)- I wish this great talent all the best.
Great to see Jocelyn! We were TA's together at Michigan State from 2017-19 studying under Randy Napoleon! The Michigan community is cheering Jocelyn on as she becomes a world star. Wonderful!
I'm sorry I didn't photograph this talented young lady when I was "on the scene" in the jazz community in metro Detroit/Michigan/Midwest and Canada.
Fortunately, I was able to photograph several faculty, alumni, etc. from Michigan State, Michigan, Wayne State, Oakland U, Cliff Bell's, etc.
Those were the days...
Chao.
Retired Vietnam era veteran, ex Detroiter, expatriate, jazz photographer, etc. currently living in México and Colombia.
Can't thank Dan, Mick, and the crew, and especially Jocelyn, enough. What a hugely inspirational episode.
Is that you Chiam ?
We got a wonderful insight into some of the work that goes into these episodes on the recent Experience Day. The filming and recording are so beautifully done, and the interviewing is so enthusiastic and sympathetic. This is what happens when good people get together with good people!!
Thank you Jamie! Hope all is good with you mate!
Man, I would pay about 200 bucks, maybe more, to go to an event like this in the states. Preferably the Philadelphia area. Pretty sure anyone can come to the country now, whether or not you succumbed to governmental health advice, if that’s what was holding you guys back.
Masterclass in the tonal relationship between fingers, pick angle and strings and the instrument itself. How an acoustic instrument is held, encouraging the wood to resonate. How a semi acoustic has more than just the pickup sound. The back to basics of focusing on the delicacy of slowly picking a simple scale and the subtle nuance of each note. This was “tone is in the fingers” magnified to the max. (No pedals either - name change to That Tonal Show?)
And thats not even talking about the theory, which for me was way over my pay grade (I love jazz but still yet to find my bridge into fully getting a handle of practical theory application), but boy what a master musician Jocelyn is. And then then to top it off with that vocal performance at the end. What a show you had for us Dan & Mick! Many thanks.
Well said, Jaimie. Very well said.
I second the motion for Philadelphia, you have many fans here I'm sure. Please give us a visit!
I smiled the whole time … she is a ray of sunshine. Gorgeous playing with passion and joy. And she can sing?! Oh, my. Fantastic episode and please keep pulling in broader influences.
Always great to see a little Jazz representation!
Jocelyn, I just wanted to comment about how HONEST you were in responding to the Pedal Dudes. I've taught for 11 years and played guitar for 20... no where at the level you play. But I can say, that self-honesty is one of the MOST important traits of a great teacher. Keep on the keeping on, Professor Gould!!!
Yay! More jazz please! Jocelyn is brilliant. You guys should try to get Molly Miller if she ever comes across to the UK - another brilliant improvising musician and teacher, and with a unique sound that blends elements of rock.
Darn That Dream, which she played around halfway, is a favourite of mine - especially Sonny Rollins version, but the final performance of My Old Flame gave me goosebumps - she has such a rich texture to her voice that lent the song the fragility it needs.
Obviously Julian Lage and John Scofield would be the big names, but there are also plenty of brilliant young guitarists in the more contemporary London jazz scene that would be really interesting - Rob Luft would be very cool, for example - his latest album has been very well received. There’s so much great jazz happening in London right now it would be a shame not try to get one of those local players.
Great suggestion! Martin Taylor would also be an interesting feat
I second the Molly Miller suggestion. She is terrific.
I should have led with how great this show was. Fabulous and educational.
Julian Lage was my bridge
A few others to throw into the ring: Jonathan Kreisberg, Gilad Hekselman, Lage Lund, Mike Moreno & Oz Noy for a funkier side of jazz (more blues based fusion). All are AMAZING players
This woman somehow makes everything wonderful. Humble, talented, happy, quirky, serious, all wrapped up in a a bundle of musical joy…… I love this person 🥰🥰
Dan & Mick; A wonderful episode! TPS is a comprehensive musical venue that is not pigeon-holed into just pedals, because pedals are a part of the over-all musical experience.
Tone was still the name of the game with this episode. Jocelyn brought the tone, her tone for all of us to learn and enjoy from.
Best Regards,
James
Just wonderful to see Dan so moved by Jocelyn's sublime playing (and tone!) I was nearly in tears myself just seeing him! The embodiment of the power of music right there.
Thank you so much for inviting Jocelyn - it was such an ear opening show. Without pedals. But with much fun and joy. I never heard someone play a C Major scale so intense and loved every tone. Thanks a lot! Cheers!
The Pedal Show has hit a home run with this interview. Wonderful to see a guitarist with such immense talent and enthusiasm. It was great to see both interviewers directly feel the music and become immersed in her playing. Much respect to this channel for such an eye opening interview.
Thank you guys! The laughter alone was worth the time spent watching. I would be telling her jokes all day. Such genuine heartfelt laughter I have not heard in a while...then she plays and sings her ass off.
Grant Green and Kenny Burrell are my two favorite guitarists. My youngest child is named Wes. Glad to see you guys helping to expand the universe for rock guitarists who think SRV and Hendrix are the greatest guitar players ever.
My 16 year old daughter just walked in the room, caught about 1 second of Jocelyn playing and said, "That's going to make Dan cry."
In a world of such terrifying diversity leading to so much hater and anger it's wonderful to remember that we are capable of such beauty. Thanks Dan and Mick
Better say.. thanks Jocelyn!
Best episode yet. There are lots of people who can sing & play folk, blues, rock & pop guitar at the same time. It's a rarity in jazz for good reason. I love that she mentioned T-Bone Walker right off the bat. His tone is so open & woody. And he always seemed to have one foot in the jazz genre. Jocelyn's Benedetto with the wood bridge and tailpiece captures the same timbre and feel in the hands of an artist. Thanks Mick & Dan & Jocelyn (and Wes).
This is why we all love the guitar. That you can go from this to Rabea via Joey and Johnny and Noel. No other instrument can delight in so many ways.
THIS! Thank you. :0)
Jocelyn’s laugh is infectious! What a wonderful guitarist.
Did not expect that voice! What a lovely introduction you guys have given us to a wonderful performer
Absolutely. Superb.
What a joy when Jocelyn began singing ❤
A classic episode where, as well as finding a new musician to enjoy, I learned new ideas to explore and deepened my appreciation of the guitar.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Watching Jocelyn play opened my eyes to something I haven't paid attention to before: how important it is to listening to your playing yourself. She is so connected to the music, it is a joy to listen to.
Thank you so much for introducing me to Jocelyn. Absolutely phenomenal and what an inspiration to a female blues guitarist trying to dabble in jazz. She gave me so many tips. Again, I can't thank you enough.
Tellement talentueuse j’aime cette artiste depuis que je l’ai découverte je ne me lasse pas de l’écouter c’est un plaisir de l’entendre jouer son humilité et son sourire reflète Jocelin’s . Merci ❤
Way to represent the Peg! Your playing is amazing and yours such a great ambassador for Canada and Winnipeg and the great music community we have here.
What a great episode, Jocelyn is an amazing musician and a lovely person - thank you TPS for the introduction. And not a pedal in sight either! 😅
Is this the first TPS episode with no drive pedal?
Wonderful episode, Dan and Mick, thanks for bringing Jocelyn to the show!
Thank you Dan, Mick and Jocelyn for sharing your love of music with us. A beautiful episode. Gratefully - John
One of the best guitar playing on TPS in my opinion. Thank you TPS for introduction another great artist I wouldn’t have found without this wonderful channel.
I’m not a massive jazz head, but I love Jocelyn’s joy in her playing and her craft. Such a pleasure to watch
Jocelyn is amazing. Thanks for introducing me to her. I am a big fan and it's only been a few hours!
Three people coming together speaking the same language through their love of music it’s lovely to watch you can see the questions queuing up in mick and dans mind and they can’t wait to ask.
Wow... wow. It takes a certain courage and trust in your audience for a show dedicated to mangling a guitar signal through so many transistors to focus on the two best pedals in the room - her hands, through as good an acoustic instrument as exists. The Two Rock tubes didn't hurt, but... Well done, boys. More please. Now, I'm off to consume more from Jocelyn.
Ha! Totally! We know it’s called That Pedal Show…. But it’s really That Guitar Tone & Playing Enthusiasm Show. Hahaha!
Stumbled over this due to the YT algorithm and super happy I did. I have never heard of Jocelyn Gould and now I am going to check her out. I love her tone and story. I too have been a blues lover and player for years and fell into listening to the same guys as my ears developed. Also self taught but never really put in the time to learn to play jazz well enough as it was too complex. I tried once taking lessons from a guy who could play it but really did not know what to do with me....he felt I played well and he was used to real beginners. He taught me about a few scales but mostly I paid him to jam and grabbed a little info here and there before he decided to move to France....Anyway, I love it but work and family life sucked up all my time and energy for years. Now as a recent retiree, I am trying to get back to playing guitar and learning jazz but trying to figure out how best to approach it. There are a few guys that play jazz here but dont teach. I can learn other styles like rock, blues, Hawaiian slack key but not jazz. I love all those styles but really want to learn jazz, Dango jazz and fingerstyle.
Love her story. I’m 72 came out of the blues thing in the 60s. Blues is jazz 101 and it’s a natural progression to jazz especially be bop. It explains her great style
What a show guys. After being awed by Jocelyn' sublime playing, being rewarded at the very end to hear her voice, was the icing on the cake.
What a talented and delightful guest. She smiled when she played, what a refreshing change. The lack of ego and the love for the instrument is wonderful. [Edit] I wrote the first bit before I heard her sing. Her voice is beautiful. Wowsers. Wowsers. Smokin’ I think they used to say way back when. It’s pure then does the “edge of break up (C)” thing.
Was already a huge Jocelyn Gould fan before this episode. Now that I know she has been studying jazz for less than a decade I am amazed and perhaps a little jealous. Congratulations to her for her inspiring playing and success. If you come to Seattle I hope to grab a lesson.
Absolutely stunned by Jocelyn. When she also started to sing on the same level I was about to lose my mind. Thank you very much for introducing this artist to me. Also a big compliment for the recording quality, those features are raising the bar on every level. Cheers mates.
Dang she’s very well spoken, charming, hell of a player AND hell of a singer, great stuff!
I've recently been lucky enough to befriend a classically trained musician and it's so game changing. The old adage of "true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing" is the best gift I've had since I heard the intro to Voodoo Chile or Brighton Rock as a bairn. This is so much additional food for thought.
I (apologetically Canadian) did not know Jocelyn was a Canadian. There is something about Winnipeg that produces so many amazing musicians! Thank you M&D and Jocelyn for a sonically wonderful as well as insightful and inspirational episode.
WOW! Jocelyn is amazing! It's like having Joe Pass and Ella all put into one person. This video made my day! Thank you Mick and Dan!
Yes, when I saw her holding the guitar, I immediately thought of Joe Pass!
That was awesome! Thanks so much to the three of you!
Wes is my guitar hero. I don’t try to play like him, but he’s by far my favorite. And the language of bebop is very beautiful; sometimes it’s good to slow it down and see how the melodic lines infer the underlying chord progressions. I just recently “discovered” Jocelyn. She’s a wonderful musician, and I could see very early on in this video that she’s also a great teacher. It’s so nice to see younger musicians carrying the torch and adding their own touches. Bravo!
Wow, what an epic show. A good reminder to slow down and really listen and hear how your tone changes with even the smallest adjustments to your technique--and with no pedals or effects. I can imagine that very few guitarists ever reach this level of control and detail in their playing.
Man I needed this, thank you, I cried with her singing/song, lovely. What the world needs now is more of this energy.
Best TPS episode in a while. She’s an incredible player, but moreso just an amazing communicator about music and how one can approach, ingest, learn, understand, and perform it.
Thank you both for exposing me to yet another fantastic artist! What an extraordinary talent. Great episode, all.
For me this is one of the best TPS episodes… Yes there are a lot of great episodes; I am moved by the way Dan and Mick showing genuine interest. I believe that is the reason this show is churning fantastic contents out in weekly basis. Many thanks!
That was a beautiful interview, great questions. Jocelyn is like Joe Pass, the granddaddy of Jazz solo guitar. Jocelyn's right hand anatomy seems perfect for flamenco which uses all fingers and particulary favours a very bent thumb. I love guitars, classical, flamenco, arch-tops and many electric styles too. But the arch-top has something about it. In the 70s, my father worked for ITT and got hold of a valve amp. He thought would help me. It looked like a military device, absolutely huge. First thing I discovered with it was feedback and how to get the Hendrix sound. However, I calmed down and started to use my Hofner 1958 President properly. Because of my love of archtops, before Covid, I bought another archtop. Looks quite beautiful, but is not a patch on the Hofner. The Hofner inspires me to play, to get all those tones. I found this interview fascinating in its detail. Thanks - and how I wish Jocelyn was playing in Scotland.
Thank you for bringing her music to us-thoroughly enjoyed-couldn’t help smiling being surprised as she started singing-beautiful.
Thanks for inviting Jocelyn! I'm a fan of the channel and it's always fun and informative to watch your videos, because you always think of great topics to discuss.
I couldn't stop smiling throughout the whole video. It was such a joy to watch Jocelyn talking about music and, of course, I burst into tears with her beautiful, soulful and inspiring performance of those wonderful songs.
Thanks again, Jocelyn and That Pedal Show!🥰
Its awesome to see Jocelyn growing and flying, it was yesterday that I met her here in Winnipeg, first close contact at music program at University of Manitoba under Larry's Roy improvisation class, got to saw her and actually asked her to play with me at Hermano's a South American place of great food, drink and of course latin music, anyways, she is playing and singing beautiful. Thank you for the great video.
I'm not a fan of jazz myself, but it is great to see someone who is very proficient at it. I can just sit back, watch admire and learn.😃
years ago (50) I discovered jazz in and odd way .. found a cassette tape of Wes Montgomery on the road unwound on my paper
my passion for blues .. then I discovered "the blues" and got lost in that pursuit .. listening to Miss Gould has really brought back as interest that I'd lost .. THANK YOU PEDAL MEN and J Gould .. WONDERFUL
This is the best episode I have ever seen of this show. More please!
This was my favorite episode of the pedal show! In addition to her great playing, I love Jocelyn's laughing spirit. Then at the end when she sang! She could have a great career as a singer even if she didn't play guitar.👍👍👍
Ms. Gould thank you so much for sharing some of your thoughts on playing the guitar. Your attention to detail and it's impact on tone and expression is both enlightening and inspiring. Thanks for the lesson pointers to those of us not fortunate enough to be able to pursue music as a career that could pay the bills. 🙂Love the Dunlop Primetone picks too, but normally use the Dunlop Ultex 1mm Jazz picks for their tone.
Brilliant episode. Been following Jocelyn since the pandemic/ 2020. Fantastic that she’s now getting this level of exposure in the guitar community, so well deserved.
Such a wonderful human, player, and singer. I've watched a thousand guitar videos (probably literally at this point) and never seen one quite like this. Jocelyn, amazing job - such humility coupled with incredible knowledge and playing. Dan and Mick, way to ask great questions and let her shine and do her thing. What a ray of sunshine that was.
Thank you Adam!
@@ThatPedalShow - aw! Thanks for the response! Love you guys! I have learned so much from you both.
This is my favorite TPS episode ever. Wow. The playing is superb. The singing, transcendent. Thank you.
I come away form most jazz guitar videos on youtube feeling mortified and demoralized. This video has me inspired. Great job, Jocelyn!
The future of jazz is very secure and in the hands of young masters such as Jocelyn. Great show, gents.
Bring in more jazz artists when possible.
There is so much I can relate to in this video. I went from blues to jazz too. Although my entry into jazz was Bossa Nova rather than Wes Montgomery. For me, the samba rhythm is what just hooked me. I also had a wonderful teacher who could cross over rock and jazz and who focused on musical theory. He had me focus on horn players, especially Wayne Shorter, to learn melody.
What a pleasant lesson😊 Addendum- dear lord that voice!
Just perfect! The interview, the playing and singing, the excitement on her face at being at Schwangrila. This is That Pedal Show Gold!!
What a beautiful episode - I literally discovered Jocelyn yesterday on Instagram and to have this pop up today is an absolute joy. Can't wait to dive into her music more!
Holy shit, that was amazing! Thank you for introducing me to this wonderful artist!
"It's a trick if you can do it once, it's a skill if you can't not do it"
Learnt this from a jazz drum teacher. It's helped a bunch.
Yup ! Power chords cured boredom. Also, finding teachers along with learning cowboy chords was a great start for me. Bluesy jazz lines I'm there.
Best interview in years. Jocelyn is a true artist and an incredible musicians. Thanks!
Wonderful change of pace for the show. Her enthusiasm is infectious.
It is so good to see music as a human expression, much further than production and gear! This was a show that made me to respect TPS even more! Congrats for the guest you brought for us!
Wow! You guys never cease to impress me with your ability to branch out and explore different things. Jocelyn is an incredible guitar geek and player and it was wonderful to hear her talk about her story and her playing is wonderful! I totally get the teary eyes, its that good!
So then she sang....and I was even more amazed and blown away. God has blessed this woman. Thank you Jocelyn for taking the leap from playing for yourself to play for all of us!!
how the flipping-heck does this have 80 dislikes? what's going on?
this is great. she's awesome. what am i missing?
***i have "return youtube dislike" extension on anyone wondering***
Wow that opening almost brought me to tears as well. Such lovely tone, timing, and dynamics!
What a delightful player and human being! Each guest you have on helps restore my faith in humanity. Lovely people, hosts included, bringing music and joy to us. Many thanks.
It's so nice to see the emotion behind these sessions.
Really enjoyed this episode, thanks for introducing me to Jocelyn. She has a wonderful feel, tone and laugh. Please bring more guitar players in this genre.
Thank you for highlighting Jocelyn and her amazing talents. I immediately searched for her on Instagram and will be a dedicated follower. I will also be listening to her work over the weekend. She is fantastic.
That performance at the end was beautiful! No wonder you guys get teary eyed doing this job - what a privilege 👌
Buried the lede that Jocelyn is an amazing singer! Wonderful show.
Just wow! Thank you so much for continually exposing us to amazing artists and just mesmorising playing....oh and what a voice!!
Wow. Emotional, compelling. Great stuff.
A few weeks back I made a statement about these types of videos and will admit, that I was wrong to do so. I loved this episode so much that I was just blown away. Thanks for doing this!!!
Thanks for bringing her forward. Jocelyn Gould is a lovely lady and a tremendous instrumentalist. Cheers
Love all the subtleties in her approach.
@That Pedal Show - Just now having the time to watch this episode. I wanted to be able to watch it in its entirety. OMG. Such a Wonderful time of reflection and inspiration. I've never heard of Lady Jocelyn, not being a Jazz fan. But, while watching and listening to this I've downloaded everything available on Apple music. Such a Beautiful musician Jocelyn is, she's like "The Girl Next Door" that can rip your head off with amazing melodic, and soul wrenching playing and her heavenly voice. I'm definitely a new Fan of Jocelyn. Thank you all (Mick & Dan, Jocelyn Gould, and all involved in this episode). ❤🙏🏻❤️
Thank you, Jocelyn. What you said about the V7 chord was helpful as a jumping off point for harmonic complexity.
Thanks a lot Jocelyn for your way of holding the guitar. I always struggled between the classical guitar position and the one where the guitar rests entirely on the right leg. After seeing you I tried your way and I am so comfortable with it, I won’t go back!! What a great feel. I only have my strap attached to the headstock (like Lonnie Johnson) because for the few times I stand up playing I would not have to press the guitar to counter it’s tendency to fall forward (the low e string tending to be further away from my body than the high e string, so i can’t see the fretboard any more). I am so much more comfortable playing now, Thanks.
I've grown to love this show and you folks for doing it. Thank you for all your hard work and effort.
Thank you kindly!