Can a flanged mace break hardened armor?
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- I tested a mace in an unchoreographed knight fight. The rules were simple like always. All stabbing weapons were blunt and we fight with full force and only stop if someone is knocked out or surrenders to a theoretical death.
I would like to present my experience from this duel to you in this video and show a real weapon test to historical accurate hardened steel armor and no cheap armor tests!
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wait is this real metal ?
You probably get this question a considerable amount, but where do you get armor from? As a United States citizen I am very interested in this subject.
@@angryeliteultragree6329 I forge my armor myself.
@@dequitem damn. I have to say that it is extremely well made.
@@dequitem Bruder in Christus, du kannst doch nicht einfach einen solchen Flex droppen. Aber im Ernst, sieht sehr gut aus und scheint ja auch super zu funktionieren. Cheers.
I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took a mace to the knee, kept adventuring for another five years, met my wife and finally settled on a farm.
😅😅😅 Best comment so far!
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I command your strength, sir. Kept adventuring for 5 years after a mace to the knee is no small feat
Blacksmith:" Don't let an arrow or a mace in your knee stop you from adventuring!! Premium grade steel knee guard on sale! A must for any adventurer!"
This show why pietro monte recommanded an ~ 90 cm "mace" with a head like a pollaxe, hand protection, and a grip long enough to allow two handed use (mostly used on horseback IIRC).
He recommanded targeting the head and the hands.
The only two techniques he describes are: "hold his weapon with your left hand and hit him hard" and "use your weapon with two hands and overpower the enemy".
Beautyfull techniques by Pietro Monte 😅
in other words:
"Let's mug 'em
Yeah, this is what Matt meant when he said maces are kind of simplistic. You could analyse it more and get into fancier techniques, but overall it's about hitting them like you're trying to murder a hippopotamus.
@@vanivanov9571 Or a horse.
Dequitem is single-handedly carrying the sword community beyond the realms of theory and skill into the realms of realistic rehearsal, and it's really unbelievable how much useful information we can get out of this... So thank you very much Dequitem. I wish I was rich to pay you for the effort, but for now make no mistake; your value on CZcams for people who love fighting, historical fighting, everything armors, and weapons, cannot be praised enough. Thank you.
Also thank you to your friend/comrade/sparring partner for all the sparring he does, as it is a very important part of all the testing and such.
Cheers from Spain! 🗡️🙏
I couldn't agree more
This is so unexpected that such weapond doesn't deal much damage to the armor at all. thank you for sharing!
remember, against chainmail it will basically circumvent the chain, meaning its only dampened by the gambeson underneath, that and on horseback are where maces are effective
if i had to say most of the damage it'll do to plate is beneath the armor, like causing a concussion, unless there is some weaker articulating plate to crush like a fingered gauntlet, but luckily these guys wear some big mitten ones, ends up being pretty safe all around
It seems fairly obvious given any experience with combat sports. The issue with many weapon vs armor tests is that they don't account for the fact that a human isn't a rooted rigid target. So because a person will lean or move with the momentum of a blow the force transferred is drastically reduced.
Alot of our conceptions of how armor works has been influenced by media and videogames too
Like people believe longbows will punch through hardened steel plate.
Ripped some armour parts tho
there is nothing cooler to watch videos of my brother who randomly fights like a knight.
4:28 bro just straight up steals his opponent's dagger lmao
This is such a cool channel
Thanks!
My day is made better whenever I see you have a new video. Thank you for the great content! You are inspiring this buhurt fighter to get into Harnischfechten!
I am happy to hear that you also do both sports. Stay save and blodgeon some other fencers in my name
This seems safe
It's meant to give concussion.
A vomiting knight is easier to catch.
That mace is however very effective against mail.
Awesom job. Putting your body to the hazard in the name of research
Thanks. I really appreciate the kind words from someone like you!
Loving these videos testing out different weapons and armor
Great content as usual Ser Dequitem
Your videos are so awesome! Love watching these :)
Thank you! This was a very interesting test and a surprising (to me) result
Great video brother as always👍👍👍
Ah the weapon of a cleric. If we don't convince you to follow our lord. Our trusty mace will.
DND brainrot spotted!
@@Estuways What is the bigger brainrot? Referencing an age old RPG and fantasy trope or calling such a reference brainrot?
@@Baalur A wise question. But how old DND is doesn't make its pervasive stereotypes any less annoying.
@@Estuwaysyou call D&D brainrot and yet your channel is filled with TTRPG playlists… curious.
@@snappa_tv It's not like I despise DnD, basically, it's just that it has caused people to strongly associate concepts with each other that really have nothing to do with one another, such as maces and clecics.
Huh, I never really considered the idea of using a mace in mounted combat, but you make a some really good arguments for its use as such. I always learn something new, or get a different perspective on a topic from these weapon analysis videos. Great job once again.
Another outstanding video 👍...When the leather strap tore from the rivet it answered a question i was going to say...in that straps and rivets are more vunerable than the armour itself and could, if damaged impact mobility etc...But good job you make your armour well 😁
Only discovered your channel not that long ago but man your vids are incredible, this channel is a hidden gem
Thanks!
Thanks for the research
yeah, against hardened steel it's gonna do nothing, you need spring or carbon steel to simulate medieval plate realistically, hardened is too strong...
A new Dequitem video, my week is complete and its only Thursday. (Also we need some 'Dequitem' merch).
mayby in future!😅
@@dequitem I want a 'This isn't LARPing, this is Dequitem' t/shirt.
Those armours are really fascinating
More of this please!!
hell yeah new Dequitem drop
Loved this video man, well done
Thank you. I love your videos too. We have to collaborate one day!
@@dequitemthat would be an absolute blast!
@@dashrendar5320 please contact me on my email (lennarddewitz@yahoo.de)
Found the video. Pretty good test. I do worry the armour is not fixed in place, however, so you'll get far less damage. You also ought to try sharpening those flanges, so they really bite in. Not safe for sparring, of course, but if you want to make a hideous dent, it'll help a lot.
Have to keep in mind that a one handed weapon against the best armour like trying to stop a tank with a hand-grenade--you can, but it's tricky. Same with daggers and swords--maile is not easy to pierce. Like Matt said in his response, maces are good against intermediate armour, as it's obvious to everyone that warhammers and picks are more dedicated anti-armour weapons.
The flanges are sharpened. It's not safe for sparring. The armor isn't equal to the better armor. It's mor mid quality armor. Only water hardened.
It really makes sense that a one handed weapon wouldn't be the best choice to fight armor. But the question is, what about being hit with the blunt side of a poleaxe? Has to be even more unpleasant, no?
another thing that I don't know about. During such periods, plate armor was something from the elite. But how common was chainmail? or any other kind of armor, that wasn't as expensive. Because a mace would definitely make sense against such.
I'm just wondering if the purpose of weapons was based on which enemy they would find the most.
Plate armor was realy common in the 15th and 16th century, nearly every men in arms and every citizen of a town owned his own breastplate. It wasnt that expensive. Of course not every citizen own a full body armor but a breastplate, helmet and a spear.
I will make tests to the luzernhammer and poleaxe. soon.
@@dequitem Looking foward to it. Thanks for all the attention to the community!
@@dequitem I don't doubt it, honestly, that breastplates were relatively cheap given that they're one of the simpler components to make (compared to finely articulating lames, especially). Was it around the later parts of the 15th or so that having a breastplate became relatively common?
Chainmail is also quite expensive, it is incredibly labor intensive to make. Don't quote me on this, but I think in many cases chainmail would be more expensive than getting a couple of the most important pieces of plate.
@@TheLadderman I wouldn't be surprised at all if you were exactly right seeing how much work goes into mail. I just hadn't really thought about the relative inexpense of a simple breastplate, to be honest
underrated channel
Good job 👍
epic.
Soon to be legend ⚔️
Reminds me of the failures of baton and club in unarmored defense. 4:08
good, thank you
I love those spaulders of yours. Are they based off of any particular example?
Not particularly... More likely inspired by some spaulders.
Another great video. Thanks for sharing.
Will you be at the Way of Honour Buhurt competition in August?
I am sorry. I will not. At the moment I am only interested in duels with thrusts, so no Buhurt at the moment. But some teammates will be there in the Buhurt team Decima, you will maybe recognize Niklas Wehrmann or Karsten from Decima in some of my videos.
@@dequitem Yes. I will be there captaining The Northern Wolves this year so hopefully will get chance to catch up with them
"Bash 'em, lads!"
Hey Dequitem, I really enjoy your videos they are visualy very interresting and informativ. Wich steel did you use for the mace and Armor?
C60 or C75.
Great video! I know you say it's intuitive but I think you should use it more as if you are going for a knockout punch i.e plant your feet, torque from the legs and hips and strike through the target rather than using more upper body and arms hitting at the target. (This is all conjecture as I've never used a mace just going off boxing experience and not meaning any offence!).
Never used it vs mail or plate but i have a replica of a 16th century italian mace and i broke with every swing a rip on a pork carcass. I love my mace x)
Your armor is OP...
Are there any maces with spikes or dagger-like blades on the other end (grip end)? Though it might take away some of the striking mass on the mace end, I could see closing and using it to stab gaps in the armor could have worked.
Seems dangerous for the wearer himself while hitting.
About safety in general, have you had any injuries from being hit in training or fights?
Yes some broken bones.
I’ve always been fascinated by this type of dueling/warfare. I realize movies don’t constitute the most legitimate source for understanding how they really fought back then.
WHAT REALLY INTERESTS ME;
-What characteristics shaped and effectuated the most formidable and successful fighters???? Characteristics similar to what comprises a modern day professional athlete??
-What constituted the look of an authentic fight? Was it a dance of skill??? A bull rush of brutal strength??? Or more like a brawl, that ended up more a wrestling match?
-Did skill or strength dictate, or a combination of both?? What other traits made the best the best???
Thanks for any info. A video dedicated specifically these concepts would be absolutely enthralling.
The QUESTION BEING, Have we ever really seen what a truly authentic fight resembled from the Mid-evil times/Dark Ages????
I think I will make a full video to this topic one day.
I wounder who would get the better advantage from helmet design, that gave better all round vision. So you no what your enemy is trying to do.
I thought the mace head would be bigger like fist size. Also thought they are at least 2KG and function like a pick with multiple edges. Guess it's used for chain mail?
Or heads only!
I wish each strike was followed by a close up still of each strike in succession. Also, an overhead mapview of each place of battle would be great as well
Awesome video... more please!
Sadly I can't make close ups with my camera the focus didn't work there is a big crack.
I always thought a mace would be a good side weapon for heavy cavalry as their height would give them access to the head, but I never realized how short maces were.
Maces were used by cataphracts.
Awesome video! What about a similar video but for the Bec de corbin or a pollaxe?
Already planned!
@@dequitem Looking forward!!!!
very interesting video, and well done. congrats of gaining 98.4k subscribers, your channel is growing fast. videos like this make me love history more, God bless you, Jesus loves you.
Thank you and God will be with you.
I've watched this video like 9 times
I hope it is still interesting after 9 times watching it.
@@dequitem it is. You're getting up there at the top with Skallagrim on your educational content
Just wondering about the exhaustion factor when fighting in full plate. How long do you think a fit and well trained knight or man at arms could maintain an assault for, before having to retreat to recover?
Depends. In a duel 3 to 5 minutes sind a battle hours!
What's something that you'd want to try, but can't for safety reasons?
Fight a knight with a fork and no armor, like a real peasant.
Try that with a 36 inch 8 lb head sledge hammer. I would find a longer handle if they exist Just test it on a shield where someone holds the shield and for the rest test on armor that is on a stand where you test downward shoulder upper shots near the helmet and one with maybe an old helmet on a stand.
You can block with a sledge hammer since most of the mass is in the head. You just move the handle around.
Also see if you can knock a shield out of someones hands if a swing of the hammer goes over the top and you immediatly try to graple the shield off with the hammer. Also try hitting someones hand through the shield and build up until they feel the shield is at the limit.
They dd sometimes use sledge-like mallets against knights--the same they hammered tent-pegs with.
There is kinda a diffrence between a single hand wood or rubber mallet and an 8 pound hammer head at 36 inches. Its not much of a question if a small mallet will hit hard enough to ignore armor. You kinda lose the whole point of being blunt if its going to also be light.
the principale difference is taht attached on your boduly this piece of metal can't flip and deflect.part of the energy recieved
Someone else noticed the ruin of Burg Regenstein in the background? 😄
Just wondering where you do your fighting, I always think the locations look great.
Somewhere in the woods.
Assassin! Your planning to assassinate dequitem🤣👉
@@lingling5278 I have no armour and watching Dequitem's armour just tank blow after blow from poleaxes has really proven to me how little chance you stand in a fight against armour if you have none.
@@EvidensInsania that's what an assassin would say 🤣👉
Also, it seems like a mace is a very good, less-then-lethal weapon against unarmored people? For example being the medieval version of the local police would be interested in maces I think? Cheap, easy to use, and wont instantly kill anyone that its used against.
One problem. Theses flanged maces will instantly kill all unarmored people and most police man don't fight knights to arrest them.
Yeah, flanged maces would be absolutely brutal against unarmored opponents. For a truly non-lethal weapon just a simple wooden club would be used I imagine.
Are you from Saxony? It looks like the type of forrest we have on our hills in North Bohemia... you know, Děčín region, Czech Schweiss next to Sachsische Schweiss....
It's from Harz in Saxony-Anhalt.
Aqua sent me here!
Can you do a video on the different types of helmet? I'm interested in your opinion and I wanna know what has the best visibility
I already made a video about the best helmet.
Oh cool, I'll watch it today!
I permanently have one question about the sizes of weapon reproductions. People were smaller in the middle ages than we are today. Shouldn't those reproductions be bigger and heavier as we grew up?
Thank you for the excellent video and for sharing your experiences!
I think the same with longswords. They should be accordi g to our body size, but not all historical people where smaller, so we should use the bigger historical examples, but If you make a weapon test on historical shaped armor with a historical thickness it should be the same size, because we don't want to use thicker armor too.
It would be really cool to give you horse riding lessons. Im curious what you could learn if you'd practice on horseback.
I can ride a horse and I had a horse some years ago, but I would never call me an expert there and I don't want to risk the health of a horse by experiment with them in non-choreographed stuff!
You said you made your own weapon, did you make your own armor as well? If so how did you learn to make such incredible armor and if not where could one purchase similar armor?
I forged then by myself and had to pern from finis he'd examples of other smith's and historical examples.
Have you thought of simulating skirmishes or bigger battles ? I assume that wrestling on the ground will be less usefull if someone can strike your back while you try to stab with your dagger.
I know there are 5v5 Battles but it seems more like MMA in Armor 😅
We tested a 3 vs 3 and it was already to dangerous to fight in that style without rules to a theoretical death.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the most common material still iron or even low grade steel even in the 15th to 16th century? Couldn't that have had an effect on the effectiveness of maces compared to modern steel?
Of course that would effect the test. But the steel quality of knight armor in the 15th and 16th century was very high and some armors were even bulletproof to historical firearms.
The steel quality you talk about is a problem in early and high medival armors, but there maces were much smaller!
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Is staff mace weapon a good idea? bludgeoning DMG+longer range.
Not realy! Than it's better to take a Mordaxt/poleaxe.
Mace is for joints and head not shoulderpads or gauntlets. there is literally nothing we have to pierce or dmg proper armor until gunpowder. but if a cav hits you with mace on gallop to head you be sure to instant brain smush. Also why jennissaries learned how to wrestle and slap is coz of european armor usage in warfare. i work on steelworks i did try many steels with heavy machinery on amazing forces couldnt even properly damage it at that point i realized fully clad armored soldiers are tanks of the era and there is no way to kill them properly. thats also why gunpower changed whole concept of using armor not just coz of range advance downs sides were so much more then using close quarter weapons but armor was ineffective on certain parts yes you can deflect arquebus bullet with proper thick breastplate but your limbs and head are no humanly way to be thick to deflect it. if you ask me in my head ofc most battles looks like wrestling in the mud and zerging down enemy with pointy sticks or daggers thats also why its amazingly brutal. in a way this conculusion explains how roman soldiers won or stand days in a circle without budging against poor opponents even scale type armors they wear hold so good against weapon of the era they literally can stand in formations it looks like armor is godlike against anyweapon man can wield until gunpowder. then all man become equal as samuel colt says.
Great comment! But maces can work against helmets and gauntlets, but don't work on joints. There are sources for it, especially for finger gauntlets. In the rest I absolutely agree. A helmet or armprotection will never be ready for a bullet.
@@dequitem Thank you for reply how it doesnt work on joints? yes fingers can be broken i see what you mean now.
I would love to see some 2v1s or 3v1s having poorly equipped individuals versus a full plate knight to compare various weapons vs weaker armor
not sure if it would be safe to do though
Mayby with some hidden protection, but than it has no real meaning for a conclusion.
@@dequitem With the same "honor rules" as with stabbing into gaps it *might* work, you could put modern padding underneath (like what is used for sparring) to dampen the blows rather than a fully rigid structure
still, its your time and your health
I have not read any mentions of using a mace during a battle or a small skirmish or I have seen some really few depictions of late medieval art depicting maces in battle, (if anyone knows various depictions feel free to recommend me), but I personally believe for such a weapon to still exist during these specific eras (mid 14th century - the entirety of the 15th and beyond ), it must have been used by people both in battle and sometimes, possibly in duels and not just on horseback.
I believe (this is just my opinion, as I, again, say have not read any real life historical mentions of maces during battle), that they were used to knock armoured people off be it knights, men at arms or average civilians and peasants who could afford some plate armor , if they could knock them off at least and then either killing them with daggers or taking them for ransom, just as you said.
It least that's my opinion for observing how the mace works and worked in mostly armored people.
There are some battle paintings with maces from the 16th century but not many from the 15th century. From the 15th century there is only one duel painting in my mind and I don't even know the name.
I'd imagine maces would be most effective against people wearing chainmail, gambeson, or other flexible armors. The most important factor for absorbing blunt force is dispersion, something that plate does extraordinarily well. Chainmail does very little to disperse energy and acts more as a way to stop cuts and stabs. And while gambeson is great at absorbing impacts, it likely isn't enough to stop bones from breaking when someone is hit by a mace.
There are quite a few depictions and accounts.
One of the most interesting occurred on the 12th of June 1487, between Antonio Maria Sanseverino and Giovanni di Sonnenberg. Where the short version is they met for challenge between the two armies, Sanseverino managed to land a lance blow on Sonnenberg but lost control of his horse and ended up on foot, after receiving several blow from a sword from a still mounted Sonnenberg, Sanseverino managed to grab the cross and pull the sword away from Sonnenberg who then produced a mace from his saddle. Almost immediately Sanseverino protested how it was unfair Sonnenberg still had his horse and was using a mace. They ended up rearguing to terms where they continued on foot and Sonnenberg was not allowed to use his mace. Which says something about the mace, but unfortunately says almost nothing as well.
Would the test maybe be more accurate if the armor piece is actually attached to a dummy or something that is more firmly in place? The fact that the stand does not have a lot of mass and can even fall over, and that the armor is able to bounce and flop around on that stand, means that a great deal more energy and damage potential from the mace is dissipated. Does that sound about right?
It's also a metal stand with much less flexibility than a real leg and the black padding isn't that much, so if you watch frame by frame the strikes hits the armor into the ground and most of the time the bouncing starts after the mace slides to the sides when it already gave nearly all it's power to the target, not optimal but there was no other results, when I tested it at home on a big tree first.
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may i ask where your armor is from its beautiful id like to buy a set eventually
Made by myself, but I don't sell.
@@dequitem oh really its beautiful i love how slim fitting it is, are you self taught?
what titanium alloy do you use for your armor Sir.?
Mostly OT4
Do you think a mace might be more effective against armour that was hardened in less consistent historical methods? Modern forging is almost close to perfect compared to in the middle ages.
No, because my armor is water hardened and this is already inconsistent.
Super interesting, where does the idea that mace is good against armor comes from if it is not true (at least in context of plate armour)? It is anti armour weapon in pretty much every video game, I myself am guilty of presenting it like this.
The problem is. There is no anti armor weapon. So the mace is okay against armored man, because there no perfect options 😅
@@dequitem So if I go for realism as a modder / video game designer with a mace, it should be resonably efective against light (gambeson) and medium armor (mail) but against brigandine (or better) it should be good only against head or in mounted combat, probably with some knock down effect?
@@philozoraptor6808 If you are incorporating durability mechanics, the mace could be better than blades at lasting longer, but not providing any specific benefit beyond that.
@@philozoraptor6808 And a hit on the head from a mace, armoured or not, is at least going to leave a concussion and stun the enemy, making them easy pickings.
i wonder about, in a duel, being able to strike the back of the knee. there is no armour behind the knee, so how difficult is it to hook a swing to land behind the knee, to a resisting armoured opponent, to damage the knee and possibly immobilize with a single or just a couple blows
With the leaf on the knee plates it's nearly impossible.
With the shape and length of the mace, I guess it would be very difficult to hit the back of the knee, unless you lean forwards a lot, exposing your back. I assume the lower-body target would rather be the side of the knee.
Some would say fist is an ineffective weapon too, and it's mostly true. Most men don't know how to throw a punch, even when one do, human hand is too fragile to last in almost any combative scenario. But then we got certain people who can end a fight within seconds with punches when certain conditons met, but it's not because their hand are different from other human, they're just flesh and bone, it's the body mechanic they're used to, and the timing, angles and such. This experiment is useful to show the limitations of a tool. But remember it's not just about the weapon, but also the person using the weapon. Iow, we need more sample before we can make conclusion of mace's effectiveness against armor.
I can strike hard, but mayby there are people that are build different and strike much harder 😅
*bonk*
would a morningstar be much different than a flanged mace, the morningstar appears to have better spikes for piercing
Yes but lesser force to a strike and to dangerous as a secondary weapon on your belt and that's what a mace is for.
what kind of armor are you using while talking to the camera?
Mixed gothic and milanese.
@@dequitemthank you!
A mace hit might not outright destroy armor, but it's gotta hurt a lot.
So if maces aren't powerful enough to be good at armored fighting and aren't long enough to be good at unarmored fighting, what are they for?
Like I talked about in the video. Fighting from a horseback!
from what i seen in buhurt only the two handed axes/poleaxe are able too that
test in the next video :D
Hello, can you test a godendag please?
One day for sure. There is a big list!
so.. given the maces of the 12-1300s had smaller shafts and even lighter heads..
in the early ages of plate.. what do you forsee those even ligfhter maces doing.. yknow, when the head is like 300g of bronze.. even if its mostly mail with some plate..
There I have the feeling that's more against unarmored to capture them. But I am not sure!
How does it feel to get hit with one-handed swords, one-handed blunts, two-handed swords and polearms when in full armor?
Uncomfortable!
@@dequitem Which weapon has felt the worst to be hit with?
@@dootless3819 twohanded axe / shorter poleaxe.
@@dequitem Why would a shorter poleaxe hurt more than a long one?
Huh. Well, so full plate does make you a medieval tank after all. A question arises, how do you even kill a knight in a pitched battle, where you're supposed to fight in ranks and thus cannot go for the grapple+dagger where it hurts combo?
Not that easy!
pole weapons, with an ax head
How would it feel to take a crossbow shot in such armor?
Not that fine. If I am over 50 meters away and it hit my plates I am sure that I will survive it, but closer I am not sure if it will injure me or an unlucky shot in my visor holes will penetrat the perforated visor.
@@dequitemThanks for the reply! I've seen information that late medieval full plate armor would most likely withstand even a matchlock shot, or at least slow the ball down enough to make the hit non-lethal (obviously a crossbow bolt is slower and therefore less powerful), and that they used multiple layers of steel of different densities for this exact purpose in mind. Not sure how true it is, but seems to make sense, otherwise guns would've taken over the battlefield way quicker than they did
yo you need someone to be in the armor and test it on him that will be amazing (btw im down to become a test dummy )
Damn bro your amazing I really hope dequitem will see this comment 🤣👍
I saw it, but I am not sure if it is a good idea. There is always stuff that can happen, even stuff that is not normal and a 1 out of 10.000 times thing. I don't wanna injure someone I don't know. If a friend say that to me, maybe I would do the test.
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Before i finish the video... Yes, but terms & conditions applied.
I am happy that my opinion matters to you!
Pretty handy for mob control I would think. If you aren't armoured then who would pick an argument against a fully armoured knight with one?
😅 I wouldn't argue against someone with a sword too.
@@dequitem Trouble with swords is they tend to put holes in people, which often leads to death. Knights needed the peasants alive and working, as who else were going to pay the taxes that kept them employed?
A lot of society violence is for control of the masses, not just killing them. Compliance rather than dead, even if that is just for the ransom/revenue.
Plenty of cultures had raiding where the aim was have a good bash, even break a few bones, but not to get too many dead, their side or yours. Mainly done with neighbours, rather than foreigners, where the latter could be knocked off.
Anyhow, love these vids.
@@muskett4108 The mace has often been a symbol of power, similar to a sceptre. Maybe it's for the reasons you just described?
@@Blokewood3 Quite possibly. Certainly able to keep people in line. I really think it is a bomb proof weapon in the times when swords broke and got bent. Why damage an expensive sword on a peasant, especially when the sword was worth more than one? Plenty of peasants, and much harder to get a good sword. A knight was an all arms war machine. Very expensive too. A mace just part of their armoury. But they all need people to pay taxes to afford them.
What about the Ottoman mace?
It's even smaller.
The mace doing not that much makes more sense to me when I realize the armor is made of the same metal and is hardened similarly.
That's how armor was made historicaly, so what do we expect 😅
Why not use the big Flanged Mace that can be wielded with 2 hands???? Those seem more effective. More weight, more damage.
But than a poleaxe would be better.
These maces seem like administrative weapons for baliffs. They didnt want to kill criminals without trial.
Maybe they used it against weakly armoured opponents, peasantry or such, I don't know 😅