LS Swap Discovery Total Cost? How Much and was it Worth It?
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- Today we tally up the parts cost on the LS swap Land Rover Discovery 2.
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Here is the Google Doc of the parts we used with part numbers: docs.google.co...
Swap Video Playlist: • Discovery LS Swap
The kit utilizes many of the factory Land Rover accessories and we assemble all of that onto the GM V8.
Previous Video going through the contents of the kit: • LS swap kit for our La...
Prepping the Engine with the Land Rover Front Drive: • LS swap Land Rover Dis...
This kit came from Alternative Conversion Engineering or ACE. Link below to them. This kit uses the factory Discovery transmission.
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It seems like a fairly complete kit compared to most I have seen for various other makes.
We appreciate the knowledge the lost cause ranch has for the land rover community, this is admirable and helpful for all the diy rover guys out there. We have plenty selfish haters out there that want to take this knowledge to the grave. This is what being a rover guy should be . Wave and help the fellow rover guy out.
That’s nice to hear. I like to help out if we can and hopefully it makes some stuff easier on others.
Thank you for doing this install series, it’s such a huge help for those installing these LS’s like myself. 🙏
I’m happy to hear when it helps some others out. Thanks for watching!
You said precisely what I came to the comments to say. I am so thankful for this exceptionally thorough view into the installation process. I will be buying an ACE kit soon as well. Subscribed!
Nice, it’s a really well made kit. 👍🏻
@@spenceradamsjr Appreciate that. We didn’t see a whole lot out there that detailed more of what was involved. Being it isn’t a straight up bolt in swap I just wanted to give people an idea of what it takes. By no means is it a step by step tutorial (no one has enough time to watch that). But it gives you the gist of it.
Very cool! I was looking into this swap about 5 years ago and everyone on Discovery forums was saying it was a terrible idea and would be a nightmare to execute. I ended up spending 20k on a diesel Q5 instead. I actually love the Audi, but now I'm kind of wishing I dug a little deeper and gave this a shot. I could have been towing my engine-swapped car to the track in an engine-swapped Disco for half the price!
I want to do it too, sadly they aren't selling the conversion kits anymore. Stopped making it like 4 years ago
Anyone that owns a discovery 2 will find the fact that the ABS still works as the most amazing part of this video.
Isn't that the truth! Haha.
Believe it or not it's an easy fix
yo, brother, i can't thank you enough! i've been looking for info on this. i've found bits of useful info & decent videos, BUT... ...this series is the most helpful/most comprehensive that i have come across! you've created a great balance between info & entertainment. honestly, i would probably watch your videos even if i didn't have a disco i am working on. kudos, my man! with a lot of work & any luck, you'll be receiving a video of my LS-swapped disco cruising before next winter hits! again, THANK YOU!!!
I made a trip from omaha to Tuttle creek for some trails this weekend. pretty much all highways I got 14.5 was really happy. I get around 12 in town usually. Have over 15k miles on my ace swap
Awesome to hear. Cool to see one with some miles and being used.
Thank you for doing the swap! I’ve got three Disco 2’s and I’ll be swapping at least one in the near future. Thanks again, great channel!
Fellow Discovery hoarder, love it! Thanks for watching.
We had a 2000 Disco, bought in 2011, a mechanical nightmare and sold it in 2016. I would swapped for an LS if I’d know about this info.
The vehicle was very comfortable for traveling
I agree with that, the updated power train just kind of makes these right.
I wanna stop and say thank you big time this video gave me all the information I needed to know to help me swap my 2004 discovery that I just recently got for free with the motor locked up thank you very much for the knowledge this helps alot🍻💯
Glad to hear! It’s not a step by step but at least gives you a good idea of what is involved. Take your time and have fun!
You the real MVP for that spreadsheet, my 4.6 is a dog even on 32s
I have a GM 6.2liter in my 97 (Disco 1). This was done by SWR automotive. Lots of trials and tribulation, and I think at times, folks were ready to throw in the towel. Rob Dassler did a great job!!!! One change....go full$$ and get a good radiator done, the one I purchased for the project leaked and twisted up like a pretzel. Also, I would highly recommend you don't use drive by wire....you could get stranded if there are any issues. Lingenfelter box to pull it all together, and a serious tune now have the truck running better. My problem now you ask....the GM pump, keeps blowing the seals out of the steering box...I've replaced the seals twice on one box, and put a rebuilt box in another time. Anyone hear about using a pressure regulator ?? I did hear about it somewhere.
When you compare it to the cost of a new Land Rover engine it worked out very well.
Yes, as long as you can do the labor yourself it comes in pretty reasonable.
I’m addicted to these videos. This is awesome!
Thanks for watching! It was a fun one to build.
This was a great series and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you for posting up so much detail. I've been looking for an adapter kit to mate an LS to a ZF4HP24 for seems like forever so really appreciate what you've achieved. I have a P38 Range Rover so just need the g/box adapter part of the kit. Hope ACE split kits... anyway, had to sub....
I’m not sure whether or not ACE will split it up but it is worth a shot. I also think they may have some p38 stuff in the works but I could be wrong. I also have a P38 that may get some sort of swap.
@@LostCauseRanch If you do swap your P38 I'll be watching with extra keen interest :) Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Nicely done. I've enjoyed watching the conversion.
Appreciate the kind words.
Thanks for this amount of detail. Really helps me make decisions.
I hope it helps some people see what is involved. It’s not exactly easy, but this gives somewhat of an idea what is needed, not necessarily complete step by step but good general sense.
Thanks for putting this together. Very good information
No problem. Thanks for following along.
Think back to when Land Rover was talking to GM/Buick etc…. If they decided or negotiated for the 350, all of these trucks would still be on the road and would be heralded as legends!
But no… “we’ll take the clacked out Buick motor, that should work well…. “
Haha, no kidding. I think it is a good lesson in not buying tooling for an engine that a leading manufacturer gave up on in favor of something else. Obvious seconds.
But either way I still love my Buick motored Rovers too, feels very fitting for some of them.
I have owned a Disco 2, LR3, RR Sport and currently own a 2016 LR4 HSE Fuji white. In my humble opinion I think the LR4 is the best all around Land Rover/Range Rover vehicle ever built. I have only 59,000 miles on it. I change the oil every 5,000 miles. It’s just a fabulous vehicle. Your opinion please.
That is such a good looking rig! Wish I could run that tire size on my LR3.
Yeah 35s is quite the stretch on a LR3, I’d like to try it someday.
Nice series I cant wait to start my swap, Ace is backordered at the moment...
I think that happens from time to time. They were back ordered when I order the kit last spring, but it wasn’t a terribly long wait.
5,766.76 self labor, 12k with shop labor
Love watching this swap. I’m thinking of swapping the engine in a 2014 Range Rover Autobiography with a LS Engine, what are your thoughts?
I like the 5.0 in those so I personally wouldn’t, plus on the later stuff the integration into the vehicle on the tech side would be pretty complex or you would end up losing a ton of the features that make the Range Rover what it is. But I would say it would be an intriguing thing if it were done.
Enjoyed this series. Im curious of your thoughts on Turner Engineering remans. Wouldn't that be the easiest way to approach a project like this?
If only you had been doing this 6 years ago when I replaced my engine with a rebuilt Tophatted one. The price of the engine plus the shop work came out to about the same. Granted, I got ripped off by the guy who did the work, A simple engine swap should not have cost me 4 grand and taken three months. Maybe in the future I will avail myself of your services, I wonder if the LS would mate with the 5 speed manual from the diesel for a truly fun disco!
Like over 50% of this swap list can be had for free. You buy a wrecked or blown transmission GMT800 Silverado, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, etc from marketplace for no more than $2,000. The year range is 2000-2006, the Silverado started in ‘99. Take the engine and everything you need out of it. Part the rest of the truck out and you’ll end up breaking even or making money. The early ones came with drive by cable throttles too so if you got one of those you wouldn’t even need to get the throttle body separately.
I agree you could save some money doing more leg work. I wanted an aluminum block so that is some additional cost and there is no aluminum block drive by cable out there. And depends on what your time is worth labor wise removing the engine and parting out the spare truck. But I agree that it is a good way to make this more affordable. Appreciate the response and I’m sure it will help some other people considering this but in the edge cost wise.
This looks amazing!
Thanks, it is quite different than stock.
Love the ACE kit, wish they had an option to adapt to the TC and use a GM transmission. The power plant improvement is great, but the appeal to modern car power delivery is largely attributed to the transmission.
Not to mention if you wanted a cam or anything to add more power to the LS it would probably grenade the LR trans pretty quick.
I have a classic that I am doing a 4.8 and the zf and while searching for my adapter I found marks, which had 4l80 adapter
@@Killian665 this is false. I have a cammed 5.3 with 10k miles on the 2001 HP22 - no issues thus far.
Marks 4x4 and RW engineering both make GM trans adapters to LT230 TC. I have a Range Rover classic with a 4.8 LS and a GM SM465 granny 4spd manual. I used advanced adapters tailshaft on the tranny that converts it to Jeep 23 spline. Then used Diesel Conversion specialist LT230 to Jeep 23 spline adapter. This keeps it a short combo. If you use the marks or RW adapter, the GM trans plus the adapter will make you have to move the TC. The way I did it keeps the engine and TC in the same location.
Thank you very much for doing this installation. Video of the LS engine swap to the Land Rover discovery two and I have learned a great deal and I wish you would contact me because I wish to do something similar. I am very surprised however that the mod that you’re suggesting doesn’t also cover the P 38 range rover Which would be a wonderful conversion as well.
That's a beauty....congrats
This is SOOOOO worth doing- I did my new 4.6 top-hat engine two years before ACE came out with this- I don't have slipped sleeve problems any more- but every other Land Rover problem is still present engine-wise. I spent $11k on that new engine- I'm doing this next. My 4.6 is still vastly under-powered for the rig it's in- get's TERRIBLE mileage too- is constantly hunting for gears on the slightest incline and basically sucks- but it still lives in the best looking SUV on the planet- so I'm giving it a heart upgrade soon! At just under $6k- it's worth every penny.
The incline is my biggest gripe with the 3.9/4.0/4.2/4.6. It pains me to come upon an incline at highway speed, it just never seems to do what it should.
I have always loved the Discovery but didn't like the power or reliability.now I have hope. Thank you!
That’s not bad! I think every D2 owner’s dream is just to be able to drive the car like a normal person, haha
Haha. That is the dream for sure.
It feels like driving a classic, part of the appeal to me in some ways.
Sweet! I will bring my Disco 2 up for you guys to swap mine.
GM hates the cold it will get a few more mpgs once the temps break 40*.
That was my thoughts as well. Used to losing mpgs this time of year.
Did you have the speedo/mileometer recalibrated? If not your fuel mileage is way off!
I did not recalibrate the speedometer, but I did calculate in the tire diameter difference into the equation.
I got a 2003 range Rover HSE and the engine is bad should I swap it for a LS3 ENGINE
The 2003 would be a little more challenging if you wanted to integrate it all into the factory Land Rover system being it is the later model BMW engined one.
$5766
Yep, that was the total for parts without some minor shop supplies and fluids. Did not factor any labor into that cost.
@@LostCauseRanch cheers , only commented for the people who wanted to know how much you spent doing the conversion
How can I get in touch with you guys
Can I ship my discovery to you to do a swap? Lol. I will be glad to pay the labor!
4.0 vs 4.2 vs 4.6 vs 5.0 which 2000s era v8 you going for?
I’m a 5.0 fan myself.
Love it.
11 mpg. Brutal.
Yes haha, the 35s on stick gearing definitely didn’t help. Along with my right foot with the new excitement of having more power.
@@LostCauseRanch I wonder if it’s possible to get 20 mpg with stock tires and no lift?
Thank you for the great detail in performing the LS swap!!!
Not sure if you made it to the end of the video yet. But there is some good news in there for you.
Can I put an LS into my Lr4 when necessary? Anybody done that conversion?
Love the swap. Makes me happy to someone give new life into an amazing vehicle such as the Disco 2. Kinda sad that Land Rover didn't bring in any diesel, I don't know of any. Any plans to do an LS swap for the LR3? The 4.4L V8 on the LR3 is anemic and yet it drinks gas like there's no tomorrow. lol
Also just found out you're located in Iowa! Cheers from Northwest IA!
Hello from the opposite side of the state! No plans as of yet to do anything on an LR3. For me it’s more economical to just step into an LR4 than to swap an LR3. The LR4 makes respectable power, but likes fuel just as much as the LR3 unfortunately. I wish we would have gotten the diesel D1s and D2s over here as well.
@@LostCauseRanch yeah. I kinda wish Ford didn't sell Land Rover and Jaguar so we can have awesome cars with decent reliability. Oh well, automakers aren't known for making logical/common sense decisions.
I see the “S” or Sport Mode light on in your instrument cluster. Does that still work after the LS swap? I wouldn’t think it would? Thanks
Sport mode still works. That was one of the things that drew me to the ACE kit.
@@LostCauseRanch thank you! That’s awesome!!
Excellent video! Very thorough. I need some guidance: I have a 2003 Range Rover HSE (original owner) with the BMW engine aluminum block 4.4 with aluminum head. The headgasket is failing and repair shops are quoting a 30-hour repair with no warranty. They are ALL declining the repair and advising me to just swap the engine to a refurbished with a warranty. (3-year 100k). If I decide to swap, will this LS option be a better way to go? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Man I wish I wasn't in California.... I'd love to do this swap on my D2
I think there is ways to get it done in California but I have no expertise in that by any means. I think you have to get a gm engine from the same year or newer and retain all the emissions equipment. But I’m not exactly sure.
You can. You only need a GEN 3 LS engine. So any 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0 from 97-06 will work. You just need a newer engine than your vehicle so if you had a 2003, just find an 04-06 engine.
Nop smog failing will bring you rig to a non cal operating vehicle so keep you tags for the plates
Does it burn 87 octane now or do you still need the expensive stuff?
It has the factory map in the pcm so it can run 87 without issue.
Awesome build!! Do you know of any folks using the ACE system that has had issues regarding transmission failure of limp mode issues? A reputable shop here in Houston claims the kit is junk… I’ve seen the ACE long term vehicle stats and have heard no negative responses.
I’d be curious to see what they thought was junk about the kit. It is a little cumbersome if you look at it vs. a factory installed engine. Also, by looking at some of the instruction pictures I think the kit has some more refined parts now vs. some earlier kits but I can’t comment on that as I’m not affiliated or anything with ACE. I could see being a little annoyed at the kit if you were trying to install it for a customer and you had to hit a certain dollar amount as the first go around took some time to sort through all that is going on.
The transmission failure would be interested gm to see how it happened, you could definitely overpower the Rover transmission with an LS so you do have to be somewhat smart with your driving. And if it was in limp mode there was something not happy.
@@LostCauseRanch thanks for the response. I personally haven’t heard of any failures… thanks so much!
Your callout is my biggest gripe with the ACE kit but it simply takes considerable adjustment and readjustment since the crank sensor’s position relative to the trigger wheel on the crank pulley is so sensitive. Incorrect adjustment with this leads to the limp issue and idle issues. Everything else about the kit is great and I’m hoping that future improvements will allow for use of GM accessories and maybe a more reliable way to position the crank sensor. #hatersgonnahate
@@levosinovsky8408 thanks for that!!
Hey, I own an LR4 3.0SC V6 petrol, year 2014. My LR4 went into the workshop for the temperature gauge fixing but ended up replacing the complete engine head. After all the exercise, it only drove another 60 km and the engine broke down.
The new LR4 engine is quite a deal to find and then it is expensive. Would you kindly recommend the best engine to be swapped and what all needs to be replaced in order to get her back on the road.
Plus, here in the Middle East, we do not have any reasonable mechanics therefore kindly recommend the best solution.
Nicely done.Looks good. I’m assuming it wil still have the ability to deliver the 3 Amigos reminding you that you are in a D2. I actually wish my RR Sport V8 was more based on what you have built with less complicated electronics and failure points. Be interesting to hear a bit about Ted your LR partner in crime. Obviously reasonably capable guy.
Yes, still can have the 3 amigos. We actually had to fix it on this one unrelated to the swap but after the swap was complete.
I am thinking about a swap on my 2006 hse
ill buy your V10 TDI and help fund more swaps that way.
Have you talked with ACE lately I would like one of there kit but I can't get a hold of them.
I haven’t personally talked to them in a bit. I know I’m the past he would go in streaks of being harder to contact. In the past he did the kits in runs and the ease of contact kind of went along with that. I’m guessing this is a side business for them but I’m not sure.
@@LostCauseRanch thanks for that how is yours running I caught your final CZcams yesterday on your build.
i have been trying to get in touch with them to buy the kit , but no reply . did u get to buy from them ?
@@cliffwalton5799
Hi with the swap does cruise control still works? Is there any functionality that you lost with this engine swap. I want to do the swap but wanted to understand if there are any drawbacks. Thank you
Not exactly plug and play is a complete understatement !!!!!!
Haha. It is a little intense in some sense.
It would have gone quite a bit quicker on our end if we didn’t film, but that probably tripled the time invested but hopefully it gives people a good sense of what the swap takes.
Thank you for updating. Can you do the same engine swap for P38 4.6.
Can you add parts list for the complete conversion without engine, to who interested can order like one conversion kit.
It’s on the ACE website
@@Killian665 thank you 💐👍website link please
can the 2004 Land Rover discovery be converted to Cumming Engine ? Looking to do a conversion
Hello, where can I buy the kit to do this ls swop ❤ thank you
From what it seems the manufacturer of this one isn’t producing any more of them right at the moment. Hopefully they decide to start with trip again some day.
Re-gear and you will gain the mpg.
Definitely would make a difference with the large upsize in tire.
Do you think a ls can fit into a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited
Excuse me I like Land Rover’s will it be OK if I take a picture with it
Begging you guys to figure out an LS or Cummins 4bt for the LR4!!!
I’ll start a go fund me!
I’m sure there are hundreds of LR4 owners who will happily chip in!
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Can you recommend a vendor for the LS engine purchase? I noticed you bought yours from EBay.
I just went for a low mileage one that looked clean and had some sort of guarantee. It was from a salvage yard. We’ve had decent luck over the years just going with a seller that has good feedback and quality/clean looking engines.
Go buy a wrecked or blown transmission GMT800 Tahoe or something off marketplace for $1,500. Take the engine and part the rest. Free LS. Probably make money honestly.
Would not a diesel make more sense turbo Cummins 🤷♂️ I have a 2004 TJ rubicon stock mint. Got big plans but rather find a discovery 2 and do a swap just can haul more people 😎
A diesel would be a good swap as well. We do have a little 4 cylinder diesel coming for one of the older Rovers. Hopefully that shows soon. A nice stock TJ Rubicon is a good piece to have these days.
Got a 88 RRC considering a LS swap wonder if the ZF4hp22 can handle the extra torque a LS brings and if it’d be worth getting the beefed up Ashcroft ZF
I imagine if you wanted you could probably hurt the 4hp22 with the extra power. We have a RRC that we have the LS swap stuff sitting here for it. We are doing the gm 4L80e transmission in that one though.
That transmission was used in BMWs 8 series cars and those pushed some numbers too. Weight is different tho
I have a cammed 5.3 with the HP22 with 10k miles under it's belt. No issues thus far.
@@xm3ntal620 what’s the specs
Is there is reason why you didn't use the 4.4 v8 from lr3 I have always like the disco 2 but never knew it cost so much to maintain I own a 07 land rover lr3 hse I bought off copart clen title just mechanical issues I got it running runs good but transmission problems not sure if I going to buy reman and install it or a shop I only wish my was a manual much easier to work on but not sure if I will tackle another build if I tried to find a disco 2 I already have too many suv builds
Is this a kit from alternative conversion engineering llc?
You kinda sound like Adam Carolla but not as nasaly. Nice build.
That’s funny. Now if only I could amass his car collection.
would this kit work on an 04 HSE?
Just to be clear, a Discovery HSE or are you speaking of a Range Rover HSE?
It will work on the 04 Discovery HSE.
Did you redo your seats ???? Looks baller !!!!!
Can you guys do mine lol!!! This is what I’ve been wanting to do with my disco for a while now and it’s time. I think one of the cylinder sleeves has slipped.
Could this swap work for a p38?
Physically yes, I think ACE may have something in the works on that but I’m not sure.
Would love to LS swap my L322
That’s on my bucket list someday too!
@@LostCauseRanch love everything except the 4.4l money pit under the hood.
Wasnt the 2004 the only year they didnt have the center diff lock
For the Discovery 2 2003 was the year without them. 99-02 had them but no linkage installed to operate them. 2004 had the cdl and the linkage installed from the factory.
1999-2001 (only 1/2 way through the 2001 year) had the diff lock in the transfer case, but no lever connecting it. The 2002-2003 did not have it at all. The 2004 brought it back with a shifter cable.
you guys have emissions testing there?
in atl ga and will have to get it tested. if you have any info on testing that would be helpful.
No emissions testing for us. This does have cats still so it’s good there. But the egr and secondary air and rear o2 sensors were tuned out so certain states it would not pass. But I believe you can set it up to keep all the emissions equipment.
@@LostCauseRanch Really all the original emissions system would still work?
I just passed emissions testing in Colorado!!!
@@patgleason2993 any chance I could ask you a few questions about that? I’m trying to get mine set up to pass in AZ and would like to talk to someone who has actually retained the emissions as the ACE directions don’t explicitly cover that.
@@patgleason2993I'm in Denver and am considering the LM4 swap in my 99 D2. Do you have any tips you've learned that aren't obvious to get it to pass here? Such as what they require for a swap to pass
does this price include labor or just parts
That is just the parts. I would almost imagine you would double that for all in coat with labor for most shops to do it.
Did he just ask why I would want a LS Swapped Land Rover to beat a hellcat?
Yes haha.
I have the opportunity to buy a 04 disco 2 with 100k on it in mint condition for only 5k. But I am not mechanically inclined and I am scared to death to buy it bc of the head gasket and liner issues they are notorious for. But dam I want it bad.
Will this work on a 98 ?
I think they have a different kit for the D1s. Last time I looked it was in testing but available, they recommend a 4.8 though to help the transmission since the early Disco isn’t as robust.
@@LostCauseRanch I see. The D1 have basically the same frame and body as the D2 except the D1 engines 3.9 and 4.0 where better than the junky 4.6 engines.. I would have thought it should have been the same. But I guess it's the bell housing part to the trans
i get the swap, but pulling out a 4.0-4.4L block to replace with the same technology for not alot to show in my opinion, doesn't add up. i love the LS/LX platforms for aftermarket parts. but i think the tdi swap is the better choice for this platform. or maybe a 6.7? i enjoy the video and topics, keep up the good work.
I want to buy a hat like the one you are wearing!?
If you do want one they are on www.thelostcauseranch.com
I see this and think P38 LS 👨🔧
I would love that as well.
Ngl, this video got boring fast. Esp with the lack of a mic in the later half of the vid.
I WANT to know the information.. YOUR presentation drives the viewer away.
Do u guys have a # to call ?
is this possible on a 1999 P38?
I believe it may be in the future with the ACE kit. I’m not sure how the integrations would work with the picky ebcm they have.
@@LostCauseRanch thank you for taking the time to reply
@@EHDustin No problem. I actually have a P38 that may get swapped over. But it will be more of an off-road buggy style deal if I do and I probably won’t be worried about integration to the factory electronics. Axles will probably be swapped as well. That’s a down the road project though.
how soon should you make this LS Swap? if after buying
a Discovery
Excuse me I like Land Rover’s will it be OK if I take a picture with it