That is why I recently got the TM9K TAC instead of this. Smaller and compact in your hands. The turbo doesn't really matter to me because even in 2000 lumens high mode, still impressive light output. Also, the battery life was great.
@@Studat yeah but when the time goes by, Nitecore will be releasing another high powered flashlight and my goal here is upgrading the lumen power from time to time. The burst mode of the TM9K TAC doesn't bother me because personally the heat that builds up in this tiny light is real. And that's keeping you out from overusing the turbo/burst mode. The p20ix is nice but I already had the T4K which has also 4000 lumen mode. Battery on the p20ix is removable, but what we should see here is the LIFESPAN of the led's. When the led's are dead, replacing the battery won't help anymore. That is why Nitecore designed their high powered flashlights to have built-in battery because they already counted the lifespan on the led together with the battery inside.
@@jonathanhempshire8303 The LEDs will outlast the battery 100% and having the ability to replace a battery during the night is a must. Once the battery is depleted on the tac it's done until you recharge it. I have a similar problem with my Olight Marauder 2 but at least that has 3 21700s built in so I can get though a night of use no worries. Plus the 14,000 lumens on the Olight lasts much longer the 7 seconds. Nitecore do make amazing torches but I keep away from the high output ones as they seem to be a gimmick. The MH25s, P20ix and P30i are my go to Nitecores.
@@Studat yeah I know that the marauder is great but it's much more expensive than the TM9K TAC and is heavier and bigger. Not really friendly when you carry a bunch of flashlights. Note that not all turbo mode (14,000) will NOT last for hours, it will stepdown quickly for at least 45 seconds. The marauder only has a bigger battery than the TM9K TAC but it's just physics. Once the heat kicks in, and you always use the burst mode, it will definitely kill your led's and it will deplete faster than the expected lifespan.
@@jonathanhempshire8303 is don't think it's that much mud experience and I find it holds turbo for well over a minute which is extremely useful as opposed to 6 or 7 seconds. Plus the levels below are still crazy bright and they hold those levels for a long time. With Nitecore I always look at the high mode as in most occasions the turbo will be a very very short burnt. I see the Tac as a 2000 lumen light.
Thanks, you just gave me the desire to buy it! But for everyone the non replacable battery is a big minus bla, bla bla... For me, an ordinary user who sometimes does camping is just perfect ! Let me be clear : I know nothing about so-called "professional" use or the 1860/21700 something, I just notice that it lights enough and that's enough for me as Ms Nobody. I'll use it to replace my old one with batteries (boring to charge them especially since I don't use it everyday and in France, in Paris, we don't have power cut) and I want that especially because it has a USB charging, so for taking my (French) wine from the cave, go to camping this torchlight will simply be perfect.
Here's the thing with these lights, the turbo mode is for use cases where you need an intense beam of light for a very short amount of time, such as signaling for Search and Rescue. The turbo mode should be renamed "Burst" mode. These companies use the mode to sell lights but anyone who collects these knows its the second to the highest number that really matters. I have multiple Imalent lights and it's the same story with those. Imalent makes a better light for the money that lasts longer, is brighter, has better throw distances, spill, and is cheaper. They make a 100,000 lumen light that's INSANE. REMEMBER, THESE LIGHTS ARE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE FIREARMS. They can permanently blind a person and the Turbo Mode is actually suggested for Self-Defense. You could really blind a would be attacker on a night time walk or even an animal looking to harm you. I one time got hit in the eyes for about 1 second with 5,000 lumens and I'm SUPER CAREFUL, and I had to go in a dark room and close my eyes for about an hour or two before the retina burn went away. I actually got VERY LUCKY and as dumb as the situation was that led to this, it made me realize that these lights truly should be treated like guns and kept out of sight from CHILDREN. That incident really scared me and I thought I had permanently damaged my eyes. BE VERY CAREFUL HANDLING THESE PEOPLE.
I always say that most lights have a burst mode, and should be advertised as whatever lumens high mode has. Do this would be a 3100 lumen flashlight with a burst of 20,000 lumens. Also I reviewed the Imalent MS18. It lasts longer because of the built in fan and is very large. But at the same time somewhat small for just how bright it is.
@@ChrispyThings Yup. Much better to advertise it like that. I hate the term “Turbo” for these lights. Burst is most accurate. The MS18 is insane but it’s a bragging rights light, I can’t think of many S&R scenarios where it would be needed over the DX80 (which I have). The Nitecore stuff to me is just way overpriced for what you get. However, to me, the best safety wins for these lights. The Imalent lights have some interesting circuit designs for both maintaining power longer and for automatically stepping down the lumens based on temp. They are also investing in keep your hands cool with their designs.
No, they won't blind you, especially when they use multiple LEDs in an OP reflector rather than a single LED in a SMO reflector. The real lights to fear are the single LED SMO reflector lights with high candela.
First of all GREAT VIDEO, very informative and answers all my questions. I own the Nitcore TM28 Tiny Monster and it has removable rechargeable batteries. The main button is own the side of the body within thumb’s distance so it was always accessible. I didn’t need to cycle through many levels to get the full effect and didn’t need to press a mode button. Yesterday, while being aware at the back of my mind about the built in battery someday coming to the end of its life on the Nitecore TM20K (as all batteries do), I STILL purchased it. HOWEVER the placement of the power button on the TAIL of the flashlight made it super inconvenient for me to use the flashlight. I was forced to hold the flashlight DOWNWARDS (head pointing at the floor) just so I could press the power button on the tail. What if there was an intruder in the house (my primary reason for buying the flashlight) or other safety concerns (I come home late from work (my other reason for buying the TM20K - self defense). The TM28 Tiny Monster serves me better because of the power button placement. I could point the TM28 Tiny Monster straight at the would be assailant, as my extends in front of me. holding this position my thumb remains pressed on the power button. As mentioned above, with the TM20K I CANNOT point the flashlight at the assailant while simultaneously pressing the power button UNLESS I hold the flashlight with my knuckles facing upwards and my thumb on the power button at the BACK of the flashlight. It’s very inconvenient to point the flashlight at the assailant this way because you cannot extend your arm forward. It’s a beautiful flashlight that someday could make a great paperweight but I’m returning it
@@bc_usaYour phone isn’t your flashlight…that’s not the same thing, not even on the SLIGHTEST!! 😂🤣😂😆. You don’t buy cell phones to last for the entirety of your life…you buy a flashlight and you want it to last for your entire life, so you just change the batteries… your comment made absolutely no sense
Beam patterns looks amazing but at high only 3100 lumens was expecting more since i am using concept 2 that goes on full 6000lumens and stays there for a bit without holding any button which i find strange with tm20k like high mode it let go in turbo mode and sits there for few secs then go back into high gear...my impression is the design dont allow such high lumens in this body style😮
I enjoy your reviews and just subscribed to your channel. If I may provide some constructive feedback on one particular item for flashlight specific reviews, is to provide us with some type of beam tint/color in kelvin and CRI. I believe this is useful for enthusiasts that want increased contrast/Depth perception and color rendition. Thank you very much.
Ouch Just the fact the batteries are not replacable (they are 21700 cells..... WHY THE FK?!) and the unintuitive UI are enough reason to avoid this light at all cost. I have to admit... its floodlight setting is awesome, im really jealous as M43 owner which is already a monster of flooder, but im not really impressed by the throw and the price (i paid less than 150$ 2nd hand for the M43 XP-L version) Thank god im happy enough with my Noctigon Meteor M43 if i ever need a lot of power, also the 4x 18650 give me a huge capacity and so runtime. And its easy controllable via 3 different styles of UI so its customizable enough for any person.
I don’t necessarily like to demo strobe lights. I know people with epilepsy and know what a strobe light can do to them. I have no idea who’s watching my videos if they have that issue or not.
Seems dishonest: advertising high lumens without qualifying that with the runtime, just to have that high lumen number on the front of the box. Sure, some people might have a use for it but it seems like a race to see who can put the largest battery capacity in their flashlight then run down the batteries the quickest. I'll take simplicity, high capacity, a balanced beam pattern, and good run times. Thanks for the great review!
я поступил проще купил 2 фонарика . найткор 20 к и феникс тк 35 ue 2 / они похоже один работает на 3100 люмен другой на 3500. в высоких режимах . таким образом у меня 2 мира . современность и мощность и практичность
your tweaking bro, this flashlight i have tm20k is a beast no complaints like you. NITECORE takes a dump on all flashlight brands including batteries chargers and power stations i have the NPS600 maaaaaaan this is a tank.
I wouldn't waste my money Definitely not buying this light. I would rather buy the IMALENT DX80 32000 LUMENS $100 CHEAPER AND NEARLY Twice as bright !!! Very hit and miss with nitecore! Thank you for the review Even this light was not worth buying !!
So it's really a 3000 lmao torch overclocked to run at 20.000 for 7 seconds. Not what I'd call a 20.000 lm torch. I hate it when they advertise stuff like this.
Companies throw araound the word "tactical" too much without having the faintest idea what that means. And funny enough it's obvious they never consulted SWAT or Navy Seals...active duty. Ask them what they'd want in tHEIR "tactical light". Ask someone like a SwAt officer or even a team for their professional/practical opinions. this light is n epic FAIL. UI is lumsy. All ulatra-high lumen lights are for "search and rescue" so there's nothing "tactical" about them nor should there be. tactical -light----one handed use. with a very aggressive bezel. Best "tractical torch" IMHO is the FENIX TK16....everything about it's deign from the body to the UI says TACTICAL. Though I've always thought Turbo mode should always be 2-full presses. (thining from a EDC user perspective).
Even though I agree with you about the term tactical, this is made for the general public. Not necessarily for the military. And the TK16 V2 is still the tac light to beat in my opinion.
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I had difficulty to switch the Nitecore on for the 1st time so thanks for your video I managed to start using it!!
That is why I recently got the TM9K TAC instead of this. Smaller and compact in your hands. The turbo doesn't really matter to me because even in 2000 lumens high mode, still impressive light output. Also, the battery life was great.
I went for the p20ix as it's 4000 lumens and lasts a lot longer plus the battery is removable.
@@Studat yeah but when the time goes by, Nitecore will be releasing another high powered flashlight and my goal here is upgrading the lumen power from time to time. The burst mode of the TM9K TAC doesn't bother me because personally the heat that builds up in this tiny light is real. And that's keeping you out from overusing the turbo/burst mode. The p20ix is nice but I already had the T4K which has also 4000 lumen mode. Battery on the p20ix is removable, but what we should see here is the LIFESPAN of the led's. When the led's are dead, replacing the battery won't help anymore. That is why Nitecore designed their high powered flashlights to have built-in battery because they already counted the lifespan on the led together with the battery inside.
@@jonathanhempshire8303 The LEDs will outlast the battery 100% and having the ability to replace a battery during the night is a must. Once the battery is depleted on the tac it's done until you recharge it. I have a similar problem with my Olight Marauder 2 but at least that has 3 21700s built in so I can get though a night of use no worries. Plus the 14,000 lumens on the Olight lasts much longer the 7 seconds.
Nitecore do make amazing torches but I keep away from the high output ones as they seem to be a gimmick. The MH25s, P20ix and P30i are my go to Nitecores.
@@Studat yeah I know that the marauder is great but it's much more expensive than the TM9K TAC and is heavier and bigger. Not really friendly when you carry a bunch of flashlights. Note that not all turbo mode (14,000) will NOT last for hours, it will stepdown quickly for at least 45 seconds. The marauder only has a bigger battery than the TM9K TAC but it's just physics. Once the heat kicks in, and you always use the burst mode, it will definitely kill your led's and it will deplete faster than the expected lifespan.
@@jonathanhempshire8303 is don't think it's that much mud experience and I find it holds turbo for well over a minute which is extremely useful as opposed to 6 or 7 seconds. Plus the levels below are still crazy bright and they hold those levels for a long time.
With Nitecore I always look at the high mode as in most occasions the turbo will be a very very short burnt. I see the Tac as a 2000 lumen light.
Thanks, you just gave me the desire to buy it! But for everyone the non replacable battery is a big minus bla, bla bla... For me, an ordinary user who sometimes does camping is just perfect ! Let me be clear : I know nothing about so-called "professional" use or the 1860/21700 something, I just notice that it lights enough and that's enough for me as Ms Nobody. I'll use it to replace my old one with batteries (boring to charge them especially since I don't use it everyday and in France, in Paris, we don't have power cut) and I want that especially because it has a USB charging, so for taking my (French) wine from the cave, go to camping this torchlight will simply be perfect.
Here's the thing with these lights, the turbo mode is for use cases where you need an intense beam of light for a very short amount of time, such as signaling for Search and Rescue. The turbo mode should be renamed "Burst" mode. These companies use the mode to sell lights but anyone who collects these knows its the second to the highest number that really matters. I have multiple Imalent lights and it's the same story with those.
Imalent makes a better light for the money that lasts longer, is brighter, has better throw distances, spill, and is cheaper. They make a 100,000 lumen light that's INSANE.
REMEMBER, THESE LIGHTS ARE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE FIREARMS. They can permanently blind a person and the Turbo Mode is actually suggested for Self-Defense. You could really blind a would be attacker on a night time walk or even an animal looking to harm you.
I one time got hit in the eyes for about 1 second with 5,000 lumens and I'm SUPER CAREFUL, and I had to go in a dark room and close my eyes for about an hour or two before the retina burn went away. I actually got VERY LUCKY and as dumb as the situation was that led to this, it made me realize that these lights truly should be treated like guns and kept out of sight from CHILDREN.
That incident really scared me and I thought I had permanently damaged my eyes. BE VERY CAREFUL HANDLING THESE PEOPLE.
I always say that most lights have a burst mode, and should be advertised as whatever lumens high mode has.
Do this would be a 3100 lumen flashlight with a burst of 20,000 lumens.
Also I reviewed the Imalent MS18. It lasts longer because of the built in fan and is very large. But at the same time somewhat small for just how bright it is.
@@ChrispyThings
Yup. Much better to advertise it like that. I hate the term “Turbo” for these lights. Burst is most accurate. The MS18 is insane but it’s a bragging rights light, I can’t think of many S&R scenarios where it would be needed over the DX80 (which I have).
The Nitecore stuff to me is just way overpriced for what you get. However, to me, the best safety wins for these lights. The Imalent lights have some interesting circuit designs for both maintaining power longer and for automatically stepping down the lumens based on temp. They are also investing in keep your hands cool with their designs.
No, they won't blind you, especially when they use multiple LEDs in an OP reflector rather than a single LED in a SMO reflector. The real lights to fear are the single LED SMO reflector lights with high candela.
@@SodiumSyndicate love this comment
Gee, it's almost as if every single flashlight maker is at the mercy of Cree, since not one of these makers has their own private chip foundry!
First of all GREAT VIDEO, very informative and answers all my questions. I own the Nitcore TM28 Tiny Monster and it has removable rechargeable batteries. The main button is own the side of the body within thumb’s distance so it was always accessible. I didn’t need to cycle through many levels to get the full effect and didn’t need to press a mode button. Yesterday, while being aware at the back of my mind about the built in battery someday coming to the end of its life on the Nitecore TM20K (as all batteries do), I STILL purchased it. HOWEVER the placement of the power button on the TAIL of the flashlight made it super inconvenient for me to use the flashlight. I was forced to hold the flashlight DOWNWARDS (head pointing at the floor) just so I could press the power button on the tail. What if there was an intruder in the house (my primary reason for buying the flashlight) or other safety concerns (I come home late from work (my other reason for buying the TM20K - self defense). The TM28 Tiny Monster serves me better because of the power button placement. I could point the TM28 Tiny Monster straight at the would be assailant, as my extends in front of me. holding this position my thumb remains pressed on the power button. As mentioned above, with the TM20K I CANNOT point the flashlight at the assailant while simultaneously pressing the power button UNLESS I hold the flashlight with my knuckles facing upwards and my thumb on the power button at the BACK of the flashlight. It’s very inconvenient to point the flashlight at the assailant this way because you cannot extend your arm forward. It’s a beautiful flashlight that someday could make a great paperweight but I’m returning it
Just have more the one flashlight...geesh!!!
I love this flashlight and I love your review and I hate the price😭it looks beautiful but I can't handle the price😭hoping one day I can buy it
Thank you for this review my torch arrived today your video was a big help the instruction were OK but it was better watching your review ...thank you
The birds thought the sun rose lol
I will never buy a flashlight with a non removable battery! Bottom line, end of story!
And only runs on top mode for 6 seconds pile of shit battrys are dirt cheap so 2 lock them in is just a way of them smashing it
i think you probably can remove it but you have to take the damn thing apart. probably just uses one or two 21700s
You buy phones with no removable batteries. 😮
@@bc_usaYour phone isn’t your flashlight…that’s not the same thing, not even on the SLIGHTEST!! 😂🤣😂😆.
You don’t buy cell phones to last for the entirety of your life…you buy a flashlight and you want it to last for your entire life, so you just change the batteries… your comment made absolutely no sense
haha .. i like this comments... may be I will think about flashlight with non removable battery.
"Deep carry" is little more than marketing.
Has a very nice beam
Can you do a teardown? I think yoy can replace the battery by removing those screws on the turbo button and mode switch?
доступ к батарейкам лежит через бензель. он откручивается и у вас есть доступ ко всем потрохам
@@aleksandrtitkov896 Do you have a video I can follow in replacing the battery?
@@ellison438 нет. но я думаю скоро появится
Great job, brother! I'm looking for something like that.
Beam patterns looks amazing but at high only 3100 lumens was expecting more since i am using concept 2 that goes on full 6000lumens and stays there for a bit without holding any button which i find strange with tm20k like high mode it let go in turbo mode and sits there for few secs then go back into high gear...my impression is the design dont allow such high lumens in this body style😮
Name of the lab that verified the outrageous lumen claim?
Ich werde mir diese Taschenlampe kaufen
Yeah that battery thing is also my concern... Any suggestion bout any other torch that allow user to change the batery whenever needed?
Great test, the short turbo burst and high heat are a deal breaker for me
Thx for the great review!!
I'm from the Philippines
Great job!
Great review! Thanks!!!!
I enjoy your reviews and just subscribed to your channel. If I may provide some constructive feedback on one particular item for flashlight specific reviews, is to provide us with some type of beam tint/color in kelvin and CRI. I believe this is useful for enthusiasts that want increased contrast/Depth perception and color rendition.
Thank you very much.
Yeah I usually mention color temp in my flashlight videos. I thought I did in this one, at the end? I don’t know. But thanks for the advice and sub 👍🏻
im still not a USB-C connection fan. Prefer just pulling out the batteries and putting them in a chager. USB-C connections go bad after a while
Do not use the USB, pull out the batteries & charge them. Use the USB only in an emergency or as a backup when your external charger is unavailable.
@Sodium Syndicate why. Also you think the same on battery's with usbc on the battery? Like the nl2150
IN SHORT EXPENSIVE DISPOSABLE FLASHLIGHT BECAUSE BATTERY DON'T LAST FOREVER IT HAS LIFE LIMIT
I went to the company website, but it does not say if these flashlights are Made in China
Ouch
Just the fact the batteries are not replacable (they are 21700 cells..... WHY THE FK?!) and the unintuitive UI are enough reason to avoid this light at all cost.
I have to admit... its floodlight setting is awesome, im really jealous as M43 owner which is already a monster of flooder, but im not really impressed by the throw and the price (i paid less than 150$ 2nd hand for the M43 XP-L version)
Thank god im happy enough with my Noctigon Meteor M43 if i ever need a lot of power, also the 4x 18650 give me a huge capacity and so runtime. And its easy controllable via 3 different styles of UI so its customizable enough for any person.
It would of been good if you demonstrated 20,000 lumen strobe
I don’t necessarily like to demo strobe lights. I know people with epilepsy and know what a strobe light can do to them. I have no idea who’s watching my videos if they have that issue or not.
@@ChrispyThings there’s lots of videos that do strobe function in flashlights before they do they put up a strobe warning.
But ok fair point
@@davidr3039 👍🏻
Seems dishonest: advertising high lumens without qualifying that with the runtime, just to have that high lumen number on the front of the box. Sure, some people might have a use for it but it seems like a race to see who can put the largest battery capacity in their flashlight then run down the batteries the quickest. I'll take simplicity, high capacity, a balanced beam pattern, and good run times. Thanks for the great review!
Unfortunately this is how all flashlight companies advertise high lumen flashlight.
This is a 3100 lumen flashlight with a 20k lumen burst.
It is not compulsory that you have to use the high lumens mode only. Use the lower modes for run time.
The TM20K has 19 LEDs
The 8 means it’s submersible up to 6 feet 😵💫
Huh?
я поступил проще купил 2 фонарика . найткор 20 к и феникс тк 35 ue 2 / они похоже один работает на 3100 люмен другой на 3500. в высоких режимах . таким образом у меня 2 мира . современность и мощность и практичность
I have had this flashlight for two months and still cant figure out the buttons. I actually regret the purchase. 😢
your tweaking bro, this flashlight i have tm20k is a beast no complaints like you. NITECORE takes a dump on all flashlight brands including batteries chargers and power stations i have the NPS600 maaaaaaan this is a tank.
Nitecore fanboy much?
the best from good ol China lol
Non-removable batteries I’ll pass on this one I have that Fenix lr35r Great light
я думаю батарейки можно заменить в каком нибудь сервисе . как и у смартфонов
Hi sir,where can I buy Nitecore TM20K 20000 lumens,and what store?can you send me a link thanks!
Link in the description
Слушай, друг, ты можешь включить русские субтитры? Не все в мире понимают твой язык.
я думаю в сервисе можно поменять батарейки
👍🏽👍🏽
I wouldn't waste my money
Definitely not buying this light.
I would rather buy the IMALENT DX80 32000 LUMENS $100 CHEAPER AND NEARLY Twice as bright !!!
Very hit and miss with nitecore!
Thank you for the review
Even this light was not worth buying !!
Самое главное этого фоноря это то что он не скучный
Only $300 we couldn't find anything more expensive?
At that price one can get a 65000 Lumen Imalent MS12 Mini.
Go
Non replaceable batteries is a hard pass for me
It’s a huge negative
So it's really a 3000 lmao torch overclocked to run at 20.000 for 7 seconds. Not what I'd call a 20.000 lm torch.
I hate it when they advertise stuff like this.
Unfortunately they all do it these days
your picky 🤣
*you’re
And yes you’re correct
Companies throw araound the word "tactical" too much without having the faintest idea what that means. And funny enough it's obvious they never consulted SWAT or Navy Seals...active duty. Ask them what they'd want in tHEIR "tactical light". Ask someone like a SwAt officer or even a team for their professional/practical opinions.
this light is n epic FAIL. UI is lumsy. All ulatra-high lumen lights are for "search and rescue" so there's nothing "tactical" about them nor should there be.
tactical -light----one handed use. with a very aggressive bezel. Best "tractical torch" IMHO is the FENIX TK16....everything about it's deign from the body to the UI says TACTICAL. Though I've always thought Turbo mode should always be 2-full presses. (thining from a EDC user perspective).
Even though I agree with you about the term tactical, this is made for the general public. Not necessarily for the military.
And the TK16 V2 is still the tac light to beat in my opinion.
Poorly designed! Pass!
Not bright
?
Nitecore like other producers are getting greedy and building in obsolescence by having built in non replaceable batteries
A bunch of babies 😂😂😂 Waaahhhhh...it has a built in battery...waahhhhh!!!!