LTT screwdriver review: YouTuber beats Snap-On?
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- LTT just released a new ratcheting screwdriver, and it costs $69.99. Is it merch or is it a quality tool that can match other pro tools in its price class?
I bought screwdrivers from PB Swiss, Snap-On, Wera, and more to see which ratcheting screwdriver is the best!
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Screwdrivers tested in this video (along with price + shipping, some links are affiliate links):
- PB Swiss 8510R-100 ($153.50): amzn.to/3U0ae3R
- Snap-On SSDMR4B ($95.31): shop.snapon.com/product/Stand...
- LTT Screwdriver ($81): www.lttstore.com/products/scr... (backordered)
- Wera Kraftform Kompakt 27 ($47.92): amzn.to/3RnCPhH
- Williams WRS-1 ($36.47): amzn.to/3cOtosH
- Doyle (Harbor Freight) 11-in-1 ($16.37): www.harborfreight.com/11-in-1...
- Amazon Basics 12-in-1 ($15.38): amzn.to/3esqv18
- Amartisan 18-in-1 ($10.99): amzn.to/3D2PMJf
- Stanley 6-in-1 ($9.99, non-ratcheting): amzn.to/3RleqJn
- Gamers Nexus Tear-Down Toolkit ($83.98, autographed, non-ratcheting): store.gamersnexus.net/product... (actual price much lower if you don't get the autographed version...)
Videos referenced in this video:
- LTT Screwdriver Video - How it was made: • Why our Screwdriver to...
- It's finally here!! - LTT Store Screwdriver livestream: • It's finally here!! - ...
- Project Farm's Ratcheting Screwdriver Review: • Is Linus Tech Tips Scr...
- Snap-On Tool Truck Experience: • Snap-On Tool Truck Exp...
Here's a link to the 3D printed slop test bit I built: www.thingiverse.com/thing:550...
Contents:
00:00 - Linus talks a big game
01:24 - The Contenders
05:08 - It's just merch, right?
05:57 - LTT Screwdriver overview
07:20 - Magnets in the Gauss
09:01 - Blade
10:31 - All ratchet, no clank
12:13 - Ratchet ASMR
13:14 - Little bits
14:48 - Bit changes
16:55 - Grip, flip, and slip
18:15 - PC Building
20:13 - Touch wood
23:46 - Voiding the warranty
27:02 - ...with a bowling ball!
28:26 - More than just a tool - Věda a technologie
Only about 1/4 of the way through, but thanks in advance for taking the time to test us out!
I love your presentation style and u can see a lot of time and care was put into making this a shockingly digestible 30 minutes video :D - LS
There it is.
Huge shout-out to Nick, who helped get the drivers sent out amidst a pretty crazy-sounding week at the LMG HQ!
Wow Jeff you're fast!
That crazy to think me and Linus were watching the same video at the same time
Just finished it! Linus, good job👍
Sadly, there's no real point for fans from the EU to buy it or anything from the LTT store because shipping costs are way too high.
Hi Jeff, "Very Impressive" review!! Looking forward to more of your upcoming reviews!
Haha I can NOT not read this comment in your voice.
Honestly I was relieved when I saw your review and had mostly similar results, I love how you explain your setups and I'm sure you could see how some of the parts of this video were inspired by your channel!
The legend himself. Been watching you for years keep up the great work!
If Project Farm thinks a review is good, you know something went terribly wrong.
quotation marks is genuine emphasis right?
@@Gergus it’s his “catchphrase”
Love the video, I will say the "bit switch speed" was a bit unfair because you know with the PB Swiss there will be a 10-30 minute penalty where you're walking around looking for the bit storage brick that you "left somewhere you wouldn't forget it"
True
mine are in my pockets, so more like 60 minutes
@@b1battledroid476 truest response of all time.
'I just had it right f'ing here' truer words never spoken.
Remember, switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading.
Oil on metal parts actually helps act as a rust preventative as someone who works more on the manufacturing side of metal production. We have customers that literally require us to oil their stuff before we send it back to them for example. I'd rather have oiled bits than rusty bits when it comes down to it.
they could've just used a material that doesn't rust lol
y'know... like the rest
@@jonathanlarsen4177 even stainless steel is susceptible to rust. Using oil literally prevents it from rusting regardless. The metal they used is quite a good tool steel and using oil is actually smart. Sure say they could've gone with a high speed or something zwear assuming it wouldn't rust cost still goes up and it doesn't mean it's suited for a use like driver bits. Shockingly not all metals are suited for all jobs. Oiling them also means they could sit on shelves for months without any concern. Just knock off the "lol just do better" keyboard warrior bs. I have customers that want all their tool steels oiled and there's a reason for it. Its steel. It's susceptible to rusting.
@@Blue-cq2hl If anything, specialty stainless steels (hardenable, martensitic types, designed as tool/knife steels or HSS) that are really good for tools will be a bit less corrosion resistant than such that are optimized for corrosion resistance above anything else (eg the austenitic 304 type used for pots and pans). And sometimes non-stainless specialty steels will be the best choice for tools (or the best choice for an affordable but high performance tool) - for example, some of the best electronics cutter brands use non-stainless carbon tool steel for good reasons. You could probably make them equally good if you went for some of the really high end stainless and semi-stainless (HAP/YXR series, Crucible CPM-S series, probably also alloys like VG10 knife steel) - it will add cost, not just for the steel but also because any post-heat-treatment finishing needed will wear out the factory tools much more/need more or more expensive abrasives/....
Glad someone mentioned it.
Like yeah you can add a finish to the tool. But it is metal on metal eventually that finish will wear and rust will begin.
But by oiling the bits they stay rust free.
Im sure it was a cost compromise especially with the extra bits that can be ordered.
But it shows a level of attention to detail and understanding of the product that they did oil the parts.
For example if these dont seel/ ship fast for any reason the bits are protected from rust while on shelves in stores warehouses or while being shipped overseas by boat(if that happens) so when the customer receives them they will be a bit oily but also rust free.
There are also specific considerations when it's a tool used for electronics, oily residue is a no-go
The oil on the driver bits may actually be a feature. Prevents any oxidation or corrosion while the kit sits in a warehouse waiting for someone to buy it.
True, true.
Engineers will often apply a fine film of a oil to their tools throughout the life time of the tool for this exact reason.
And though I don't think it's launched yet, much of the conversation around development was future ability to pick between a few load-outs of bits. Given that plan I think leaving them separate from the driver itself allows purchase of multiple SKU's without the issue of multiple assembly tracks. Also cheaper than paying someone to insert bits in drivers (probably by a lot).
@@JeffGeerling it's a very common industry practice.
@@fezik8870 there final assembly is done in canada so it certainly is.
I like that the ltt driver is the one that got dropped the most. They really should have had it drop rated lol
There is no knurling or texture on the handle, it looks slippery.
It even get the infamous "dropped by Linus" during manufacturing itself!!!😅
I like that the LTT screw driver being dropped had that LTT quality you come to expect from one of Linus's videos. :P
If it survived Linus testing the screwdriver, it's already drop rated past what any normal human will subject it to.
It's also thematically appropriate given Linus himself = P
The biggest complaint I have as a mechanic with "Grippy" handle or rubberized handles is that once you start getting greases and oils on them, they start falling apart and/or getting really nasty sticky feeling to them. This is something that is not considered "Warrantable" by the tool companies I have dealt with.
The hard handles wipe off and are good for life.
Like every Microsoft mouse with simple skin oils. Ugh. The Wera stuff holds up super well, IMO.
Talon grip tape and everyone is happy :)
Not a fan of rubberized handles for that reason. They dissolve. Meanwhile, 30 year old craftsman and snap on handles are just fine. And I’m not even a snap on fan, but I’ve seen the good qualities they have.
The hangup for me on the Williams would be the "just toss em in there" nature of the bit storage. Probably just a personal pet peeve but it drives me bonkers hearing bits rattling around inside while I'm working.
Same here.
I often find myself working on a ladder so that would also be an issue for me. Also that the screw-on cap is loose and could fall to the ground.
Not to mention the pain of sifting through them to find what you want..
@@brettwalkom948 Especially when you have put five or six more in there.
A removable cap and loose bits is a constant source of anxiety whenever I’ve used the workshop’s Snap-on while working on electronics OR automobiles. Sorry Snap-on and clones, but that’s a hard no.
Should someone ever told me that I'll spend 30 minutes watching screwdriver review, I'd tell him to think again. Yet, here we are...
And ditto as well. We all in this together bro
This is the second 30 minute screwdriver review I've watched in 2 days. What's wrong with me?
Just wait until CZcams starts recommending Project Farm to you next week.
Robert, let's be honest, today in 2022 we are in position to watch Everything, no matter of personal interest :)
I watched 2 minutes. He is full of bullshavik and fanboy followings. Unless you are building numerous systems a day you need an ELECTRICAL screw gun.
I laughed so hard at "is itt better than our sponsor?" hahaha The LTT segue is legendary, Great video man. Hope you're doing good with your health, always keep you in my thoughts and prayers I now what it's like to live with a chronic illness, I was born with a rare kidney/liver disease and have had 3 transplants in my life and live with pain every day. CZcams is my way to keep my head in a good place. 🙂
I like the review, one thing to point out is that the rubber handles drivers tend to hold onto dirt and debris over time. Sweat and greases can cause them to break down quicker.
I like to call that 'patina' :D
Though the smell can be too much at times.
Sweat, greases, dishwashers, non-polar solvents, sunlight, age... Just Say No to rubberized and soft-touch plastics.
Why you should wipe down your tools after use.
recently got a force driver that uses bits (no storage) with a rubberized handle , it fits so well in my hand that for 4$ I will gladly change it out to the same one when the rubber wars out and gets sticky.
@@Vegemeister1 No. Soft grips are nice. Get used to the real world.
Thank you SO much for testing the proper Snappy driver. Also, thanks for giving prices “shipped”.
I never get screwed by Jeff Geerling vids.
Man, I wanted to make that joke!
*slow clap*
@@slendi9623 Hit the bell icon and be early every time!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Exactly, this is why people should subscribe and hit the bell icon to make sure good jokes aren't claimed!
Thats cool. Whats your credentials? Every video I see he is phsyically screwing in.
Was glad to see PB Swiss and Wera represented in the comparison, nice review!
Except they are screwdrivers and none should ever cost $69.
@@rogerroger10-47 yes they should especially if you are a mechanic and you pay for top quality. That being I have Vessel, Wera, Wiha, PB Swiss and I've gotten all at lower prices than on the tool truck.
A rotating end is an overlooked feature... The ltt allows you to apply downward force at the end with palm and than spin with second hand without the end creating friction against your palm. It's the ultimate to prevent the driver from camming out and preventing damage to cheap fastener heads
It depends on one's technique.
Personally, if it needs that force to push it into the screw, I'll also be applying some additional torque through my palm to the screwdriver.
However, if one is spinning the shaft with one's fingers, having the end free to rotate means one hand can hold the screwdriver in a stable position and square to the fastener while spinning it with the other hand.
The precision screwdriver that came in my electronics repair kit has this and also a hole in the handle to insert the separate extension shaft and get some crazy torque out of it.
It's metal-on-metal and no bearing, so it squeaks like a mofo, though.
@@gordowg1wg145 This. I have an off-brand cheap screwdriver with a rotating end and it really conserves my energy due to me having to raise my arms above my head very often. It's so much better than using a driver with none and having to twist my arm in an already tiring position.
The rotating end is a make or break feature for me, maybe not quite the same application but I do a lot of industrial electrical work and using a terminating screwdriver without the rotating end would just be madness. Carpal tunnel waiting to happen.
@@tomdragon3881That's kind of what I was thinking you could get away with just getting one double-sided Phillips of two sizes in something like a Klein screwdriver and that would pretty much cover anything you run into in a PC side from the big thumb screws that some of them use on the back. It's thin it's narrow so there's more RPM per input and it's all fingers. At these prices I would get a super light duty electric screwdriver and a precision screwdriver with a button on the back. Then again I bought one for work and one of the young kids managed to pull off the button and lose it so it became very unpleasant to use.
Love that you took the time to run through these. I actually wouldn't have minded if you went further with a prying test for each. I think some materials may be "harder" or less susceptible to scratching, but may also be more brittle.
It seems to me like the internal storage of the LTT and Amazon basics drivers are a good convenience feature and saves time in comparison to having bits stored seperately or loose in the handle. It is a shame the Amazon basics had such a poor ratchet and weak magnet, otherwise I could see that being quite a nice format for PC building.
Yeah, that product could probably be made to be a close match to the Williams if they produced it a little nicer, and bumped the price to $30 or so.
If only LTT made their screwdriver 10mm longer so it could accommodate 12 regular size bits instead of just 6.
The king d1ck (made in the uk, short for richard) stores 6 standard bits plus an extension. Has a great ratchet too. Costs 25 quid shipped
I feel the same about the amazon one, its already a compelling option as it is. Honestly I could see myself picking up an amazonbasics for general use, until I've saved up enough to comfortably drop $80 on the LTT driver as a gift to myself.
@@ianlehman8342 from what people said about the Amazon one during the live stream as a couple people had it is that it feels pretty decent out of the box however performance over time significantly degrades like the bit holder doesn't come out and the Ratchet progressively feels worse
The expansion card screws on my case can only be reached by feeding the driver through a set of holes above them (WHY???) so I was looking for a review with the shaft dimensions specifically. Thanks! But sadly even the LTT driver won't fit, they're only 8mm wide.
Shucks! There's always that odd screw. That's why I still have a couple sets of thin-shaft drivers like the Gamers Nexus ones. There's always some case designer who doesn't understand clearance issues :P
@@JeffGeerling Hoping to see someone test long bits. There are bit with long thin shafts.
I wonder if the covering set of holes is a plastic part that is removable, because I have a case for a few years and just recently found out I could just remove the plastic bracket to make screwing so much easier.
@@trunghung03 No it's metal and fixed :( such a dumb design. But I love the rest of the case. It's a full-height ATX HTPC style which is hard to find these days.
In instances like that, a standard #2 Phillips screwdriver without interchangeable bits is the best tool.
So far I watch 3 video and no one has disclaiming the quality of the LTT driver. Honestly I’m impressed with the care they took putting it together. They could have coasted on the brand recognition but they chose to actually create a quality product. My hat goes to LTT for caring
Yeah I'm saving my pennies for one ;) if the handle breaks in my hand like my Wera did I'll cuss Linus like anything, but him n his team seem to have thought the design through pretty well...?
Have you watched a video with a genuine review, or just these adverts on youtube?
Ooh Me-Oww! They sure look good to me - I bet as soon as I put a favourable review up, I'll just be an "ad" ;) - from all I've read these things are class. Not cheap, but .. Class
@@petegaslondon I doubt you will be an ad, but I guess that depends on how many followers you have. I am sure there are worse screwdrivers that you could buy, there are also better ones that cost less but aren't marketed to fanboys.
@@-opus. Similar to others.
One thing about the Snap-on in these comparisons that nobody ever mentions: The shaft is a separate piece from the driver, and you can trade out the shaft for the length of screwdriver you want. Need a stubby screwdriver? Put in a short shaft. Need extra reach for some reason, get a longer one!
Aircraft structures mechanic here & I've always liked that about my Snap-On ratcheting screwdriver! Sometimes I need a super-long reach.
Not all snap on have those. Mine are all fixed shaft like the one he tested. I have 6, different lengths, fixed shaft. The thing I don’t understand is the focus on bit storage. I don’t keep any bits in the handle. I have a case that has all my bits. It works for tool control and is faster than opening up the handle to find a different bit.
The problem with these type of screwdrivers on a IT environment (PC specifically), is that there isn't long screws in the first place, maybe with the exception of water cooling radiators. And if you are dealing with a humongous number of screws, it would be best to simply invest in a powered one with adjustable torque setting.
I don't disagree; though if you also do a lot of rackmount and networking stuff (homelab united!), there are sometimes higher torque and/or longer screws involved.
I've never felt comfortable with powered screwdrivers with electronics. Never felt like I had enough of a feeling of control
@@azblurbit gotta get the finger control. Well I use my drill as a driver for a lot of things that I probably shouldn't when I'm feeling lazy 😅
@@azblurbit You can get one tailored for electronics, with torque values adequate for the job. There are bigger ones you would use for PCs and smaller ones for laptops.
You just can't beat a "normal" screw driver. I used cordless drillers as a screwdriver at work for 90% of the time but sometimes you need fine control or those long screwdrivers in a hard to reach place.
Great video Jeff. Thank you for the useful no BS video. I've been waiting and hoping for this one. Hope you're doing well.
Thank you for covering how well you were able to grip the driver handles. No other review I've seen covered that yet it's a very important part of the driver.
Fantastic test, Jeff!!!
I also found that Chinese screwdrivers sometimes are worth the small expense than professional and expensive ones!
I have a box with fixed screwdrivers purchased almost 8 years ago in a food discount market (German Europe-wide chain Lidl) selling garage tools for cheap sometimes. They surprise me every day: last long, don’t wear much also with heavy work, and magnetic tips lasted until today!!!
They have some lidl in the us too! Love it.
Ps, we say it the German way (leedle) not the British way (liddle)
Much like the screwdriver itself, i've been waiting for this review!
Thanks @Jeff!
I did not expect this to be so in depth and well tested :D Great Job
Great job for someone who never uses screwdrivers and is a fanboy!
I typically never respond to these discussions, however, for some reason feel compelled here. Excellent review overall, I must say - thank you!
As far as the ratcheting screwdrivers, I have been utilizing WERA for years. WERA makes various "grades" of ratcheting drivers, some even with adjustable torque control (miniature torque wrenches - both adjustable and factory preset for a specific purpose such as mass production of a specific part requiring a specific torque setting). I find all their tools to be top-notch and would have absolutely no hesitation in recommending them to anyone. For those concerned about cam-out of the screws, please utilize the "Laser Etched Anti-Cam-Out Bits" WERA offers. They are extremely grippy and will never cam-out. At least not in my extensive experience. WERA Bits are heat treated for hardness, typically with Rockwell Hardness Scale numbers of about 55 to 60, slightly less then the PB Swiss.
As for PB Swiss - they are fantastic. Absolutely top notch. I use these for jobs in which extreme precision is required. The bits are harder then the WERA bits, typically testing to a Rockwell Hardness Scale of 58 to 65. All are heat treated for hardness. I personally find the comfort grip handle design of the WERA System to be more comfortable for MY hand (size 7 glove, smallish hand for guys. Average male hand is a size 8). Nevertheless, personal preferences on the comfort of the handle aside (subjective), objectively, the PB Swiss will cope with a little more torque over WERA and the bits are harder. You get what you pay for.
In addition to WERA and PB Swiss, I have tried and own Snap-On, WIHA, Klein, Craftsman ("old Craftsman" from the 90's and earlier is TOTALLY different then "new Craftsman" that you purchase today with the older stuff so much better then the newer stuff, Dewalt, Stanley, and others. That being said, I personally own the complete line of WERA Tools, entire system, as well as PB Swiss. I have yet to have one break or need repair. I also own the complete Knipex System for pliers and other assorted tools. Hand-held power tools I go with Festool and Dewalt depending on the tool.
In conclusion, as a Master Machinist / Tool & Die Maker involved in precision work as well as heavy machining work in the aviation and motorsports industries specializing in making low volume production runs of parts that no one else can figure out how to machine, I would have NO PROBLEM recommending WERA and PB Swiss to anyone. Knipex for Wrenches and electrical wire cutters, pipe wrenches, etc.... You can't go wrong.
As for the review, as I said, overall, excellent. One aspect overlooked, however, is the bits! The same bit should have been used in ALL comparisons. This would have taken that variable out of the equation as the bits are significantly different. How can one compare of PB Swiss bit heat treated to a hardness of Rockwell 60 or WERA Laser Etched Anti-Cam-Out Bit in INOX Stainless Steel heat treated to a hardness of Rockwell 55 with a cheap Harbor Freight bit that has never been heat treated and is likely a Rockwell 20 at best, or, bits made from remelted scrap from the production of other products as opposed to centrifugally forged material specifically made for the creation of the hex stock for the bits? BIG DIFFERENCE!
*Note - All Rockwell Hardness Numbers quoted were obtained by MY OWN TESTING utilizing a Rockwell Hardness Tester which is verified to be in spec (yearly) and kept in a climate controlled measurements room for standardization of parts prior to the company who ordered the parts completing the sale. In other words, if specified tolerances are not met, hardness not met, etc..., they will not take the parts and I have lots of scrap on my hands, so, that CAN NOT happen. All information shared is MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
Thank you
Jonathan
Wera - I was very fond of mine (non ratchet, bits in handle) til I tried to lever something open with the flat bit and the whole screwdriver broke in my hand.. I kinda want another but they aint super-cheap, so I'm now hesitant, and wanna try the LTT
PB Swiss nice, very nice but even the LTT's way more than I'd usually pay for a screwdriver, so.. Nahhh sorry
Knipex are lovely but my last cheap cutters have great hardness, and I'd be less paranoid about breaking them cutting the 'wrong' kind of wire (or cutting something that turns out to be harder than expected) as they're not cheap either - maybe get one as my 'nice' cutters?
Trouble is Wera DO have some VERY sexy little tools - should I try again ;) ?
Yes do it they are absolutely worth it
As a Manager for a tire shop, getting a tools from the truck is essential for me and the guys there. I have the snap on screwdriver and i use it mostly for building pcs and some car stuff. Great review on the tools! Def look forward for more content!
Doesn’t the snap on have a removable shaft?
Getting tools from a truck hasn't been essential for any self respecting mechanic in at least 15 yrars
Nice review, it touched more on kind of use cases that users are actually about to do, even though the destructive testing is fun as well.
For example, the static top that could be used to apply more force is a very nice thing that I never thought even looking for.
It's the little details, and it takes more time using a driver before you realize the little quirks that are either brilliant or obnoxious. I may do a follow up after a month or two.
@@JeffGeerling Please do! And stay well! 😎✌🏼
Having a top that screws off can be frustrating when applying force on it. The lid screws off or screws on too hard etc. So that was a good test.
@@JeffGeerling just a idea: make a DIY/custom windows tablet PC with a SBC(khadas/rockpi/odroid or LattePanda or snapdragon 845). You can use a body/case of a cheap handheldconsole as body/case or product a case by a 3D Printer and use razer kishi or razer kishi-like gamepad.
As a Dutch person, I really love the KNVB shirt... Outside of The Netherlands, you don't see these that often 🙂
Good video!
Yeah, I'd expect an F1 shirt because of its growing popularity. KNVB is a surprise, indeed.
@@BrazenNL Family comes from NL a couple generations ago, we still wear our orange shirts every World Cup, and are torn the few times the US ever plays NL :)
@@JeffGeerling Ah, that explains the last name. I was wondering about that.
@@JeffGeerling That's really cool that you still do the Dutch football (soccer) tradition with your family.
@@JeffGeerling I recognized the name. My best friend from childhood shares your surname. I wanted to ask about it, but now I have my answer. 😄
I can vouch for the Snap On being durable. I've had an orange handle SSDMR4B since 1996. It was part of a set that also included a small 1/4" ratchet and extension (both since lost). The orange has faded to almost yellow. The handle and blade are a bit too chunky for some PC assembly or repair work, especially with SFF or USFF cases, but if I can use it, I generally do.
Used my snap on since the 90s. I replaced it with the Gearwrench kit. Multitude of extensions ect
@@TheLexiconDevils Well it's back when the brand was good. Last 10 years they suck.
BUT DID IT ASSEMBLE COMPUTERS?!?!!?!!?!!
@@rogerroger10-47 Oh yes. Most recently a server rebuild, maybe 18 months ago.
Finished the repayments on it yet?
For years Stanley was my go to, then I discovered Wera. The grip is designed to be held diagonally across it. You naturally get a mix of downward force and cross torque with the butt nestling into the palm of your hand.
Wera is Amazon basic tier
I've had a Snap-On SSDMR4 like the 4B you tested, for nearly 30 years. I've used it as my main screwdriver that entire time - on hundreds of computers and household tasks - and it still works and looks like new despite my abuse. It may not have as many bits as the others, but the ones it does have always worked fine for my tasks. I can't recommend it enough.
That was Linuss daily driver for years and the reason it took 3 years to make somthing he likes better for it work😁
30+ years here too, love this driver.
This was a great review, Jeff - nice work!
I always think I should buy a ratcheting screwdriver for PC building then run into some clearance issues - and then realise why I prefer to use regular screwdrivers!
Also, does that KNVB shirt have your name on it?
Indeed it does, and the number I used through my time playing soccer and volleyball!
The best orange shirt in the world!
@@JeffGeerling Do you have Dutch heritage?
@@gartennelke yes
@@JeffGeerling Mooie video makker!
I like that you included Doyle in this test but they are really made for the auto/ industrial type applications, that’s why it’s so beefy. Trying to take rusty screws out you need to be able to really bear down on one. I have one and I don’t like it for electronics or even doing electrical work in the house because of the weight, but when I use it on the car it’s the best thing in the world.
That’s why tool reviews should be done by people who understand tool application
@@RsFrag3d however, as a fellow mechanic, I appreciate that he included it as I do want a ratcheting screwdriver for both automotive and home use and wanted to know how it stacks up before I purchase one. Heft itself doesn't bother me, if I want a lighter screwdriver I'll carry one of my Snap-On screwdrivers, but for something to be able to grab quickly and use.
He also failed to mention one of the biggest draws about the Doyle: it has 3 different (very common) nut drivers built in. There are also lots of other things too.. The ratchet selector he complains about is actually pretty handy.. You can easily switch it with your thumb.
I have several of those doyles (cause they are super cheap) and I use them for all kinds of shit.. Working on cars, general house work, construction, etc. I've dropped them off of a roof (more than once) and ran over them with a 1 ton trailer. Hell, I've used them to start nails or hammer out cotter pins. All 3 that I have still work with no real problems.
Sure, they get dirty (it's a fuckin tool...), and you aren't gonna thread a needle with them or anything. You also don't feel like you are gonna break it when you use it.. Thing is built like a Lincoln. If you are looking for an awesome, multipurpose, dirt cheap screwdriver, don't let this video dissuade you.
As far as the bits coming with oil on them, that is a good thing as it prevents rust. Would you rather have oily bits out of the box or rusty bits? Something to think about
I can't believe I just sat through a 30 minute video on screwdrivers. And then bought one. Based on Jeff's review. Glad (and hope) you're feeling better. Thanks as always for sharing - enjoy your videos.
I bought 60 screwdrivers from Harbor Freight instead. Now I can throw them in the trash after every use.
I've had that SnapOn driver for almost fourty years. Still works as it should. The LTT driver is on my wishlist though...
Only Jeff could make me watch (in full) -- or care about -- a screwdriver review. Well done! Will have to look out for future reviews...
I think the Gamer's Nexus bit-change is highly variable! Can be anywhere from "grab it" (1s) to "dang it, it must be somewhere below the saw in the toolbox" (5 minutes). Same with the other loose bits of course :D
I think the demonstration in the video here shows average 'bit change' time for the GN set pretty well. The "5 minutes because it's under the saw in the tool box' could just as easily be 30 minutes to run to the store to buy new bits on any of the other drivers if you drop the one you need and it vanishes. I've lost plenty of them rolling off a tail gate and in to grass or gravel, so over all I'd say the set of non-bit drivers is actually better for finding lost or dropped 'bits'.
GN excels in the lost bit on floor test.
@@ttww1590 Fair! :D
Or... Wait who did I borrow this out to??
I have always been a Craftsman tool or Proto tool person over the years. Have just started purchasing Klein Tools recently and love them. The Klein 32303 & 32308 screwdriver set from Home Depot is a great product and a very good value at around $25 US for the set of two. Really like the adjustable screwdriver shaft length & large selection of bits in the handle.
Adjustable shaft length sounds like a useful feature!
If you need the hex for extra torque, you need an impact driver. The bit won't climb out of the screw's head. They are also needed to remover screws from cast aluminum if it was installed with thread locker or is corroded.
who cares about hex when theres torx which rules supreme
@@hillppari When you don't get to choose? The assembly is old and/or American. Also hex is generically cheap.
@@hillppari Heh, I think he means the hex shaft or a hex part on the driver shaft, for more leverage. And yeah, the Wera was the only one that was camming out, so giving it more torque probably wouldn't make a huge difference either way.
Not always, some products use hex for fine metric screws. M3, etc.
@@hillppari
Bicycles (almost) exclusively use metric hex fasteners.
I watched the project farm video and yours too, thank you for taking the time to find some different ways of looking at the same material.
Great Production Jeff, as ALWAYS!
Another aspect which I think is important is the rotating end, I often get horrible blister in the palm as occasionally I have to put a lot of torque into it and forget I get blisters, and then.. I get a blister which I feel just as I finished :)
I really enjoyed the bit change on the Gamers Nexus. I do like a flippy style screwdriver, though I'm frustrated when I think a bit is "small flip to change size" and it's actually "small flip to change Phillips to straight" (or vice versa)...
I don't usually watch your channel, but the LTT screwdriver review brought me in. Thanks for showing how it stacks up.
This was a fantastic teardown and told me more than I ever wanted to know about screwdrivers.
I think the Williams is so close to being a wonderful product but the lack of a bit organizer is a deal breaker. If I'm up on a ladder fiddling with my ceiling fan or a light fixture, the last thing I want to do it pour out all my bits and try to funnel them back in. For the price, the Williams is a great value but for the practicality, I can't say that I agree that it would be a good buy. I'd rather go a step up to the Wera.
Yeah they should consider making a variant of their product. Or maybe just 3D print your own little bit carousel that fits in there? Also screw down caps are a bad idea, it should be a bayonet cap if anything.
23:10 One thing to note: I'm pretty sure the shaft is extensible/collapsible on Amartisan. I think the experience would have been much better if you collapsed the shaft, since it would have been much more stable.
When I heard about this review I wasn’t expecting it to be so comprehensive great video
Not Jeff's usual content but certainly his usual quality Just fantastic. Thanks!
Glad to see the Williams recommended! I put in a bunch of research on ratcheting screwdrivers early this year and ended up with the Williams myself. Would have got a Megapro, but the model I wanted was out of stock everywhere. It's really a superb value, especially when you consider that SnapOn feels comfortable charging almost $100 for their rebranded version.
Fun fact: You can disassemble the Williams, remove a retaining ring on the blade, and put in SnapOn's interchangeable blades for their soft handle model. It holds well enough that it won't fall out and requires a minor amount of force to remove. I'd assume you can fit the retaining ring back on for a more permanent fit if desired. They're about 30 a piece which defeats the value aspect, but allows for some flexibility in blade length and fixes the lack of knurling
The blade? Are you talking about the actual shaft being interchangeable?
@@uli3119 Yes! Dunno why I used blade in the moment but that's what I mean.
I'd love to see a quality ratchet driver with special bots that are just like the metal part of a regular screw driver but with the hex part at the end, and the hex nut embedded in the ratchet driver's shaft. So you get the combined advantages of both the thin blade of a regular screw driver plus the ratchet mechanism and interchangeability of bits.
I have the Wera Kraftform 816 RA. It's a ratchet handle with the bit holder right above it. Then I put in 3" long bits. Got it for $25 a couple years ago, before the price jump. I do sometimes wish it extended out like some of wera's other models or had a bit holder in the handle like these.
As always I love your content and the way you educate. This for sure helped me want a ltt driver haha
This was awesome, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!!
Lets appreciate Orange Shirt Jeff for a moment!
I didn't know Jeff was a Netherlands Football fan 🇳🇱 👍😃
@@DerekGreen123 Or a Verstappen fan
When removing screws, sometimes you need extra grunt / elbow grease / torque. That's why I prefer handles with a HOLE at the top.
Sure they're good for hanging on toolbars- but when you stick a second screwdriver through that hole the resulting T shape can be just what you need.
I recently learned why my Snap-on screwdrivers have that little hex shape molded into the shaft: it's to attach a wrench when you really need the extra torque but aren't committed enough to use gelignite.
@@j_taylor Many screwdrivers have either a full hex shank or a small length of hex at the end of the handle so that you can put a small wrench on the end and torque it. But if you do need lots of torque you're better off just using an impact driver. Something like Jeff's 2x3 test may be interesting as an experiment and useful as a test for comparing how they feel under a more extreme (for the tool) use case, but realistically it would take less time and effort to just get my impact and use it for a similar circumstance.
Very helpful video. A lot of "what it's like to use" criteria that fives you the real world feel. I love PF and watched their video too. Well done.
Awesome review, really well thought through in terms of the practicality of the tests. That said, it was hard to watch the scratch part. I know it happens over time but it still hurt my soul. :D
I tend not to like the big “easy to use” selector because I’ll have the screwdriver in a tight area and something rubbing up against it switches it. I think Linus even reversed his switch from the industry standard that helps prevent that, so when you put it in a tight spot it will switch to the opposite direction of the working turn.
Although I prefer a very high quality 5in1. I can just loosen my grip to get a ratcheting effect. It’s not like a wrench vs a ratcheting wrench which are basically two different tools.
Right. Like it or not, there's a reason for the reversed switch on pretty much anything that ratchets.
if something is interfering with the selector enough for it to switch when you turn the driver, why does it matter which way it goes? even with a reversed selector won't it still switch when you try to reverse and prevent the ratchet from working anyways?
@@TwinStar229 I think the idea is that if you're turning the driver and the selector catches, for most drivers it will continue turning. But with the LTT driver, it will free spin.
@@SixOThree you're absolutely correct, and I think anyone wanting to use it professionally should definitely consider that.
my thinking is that this driver really isnt a good pick for an industrial setting (automotive, electrician, etc.) despite their enthusiasm. In a more "everyday" use case of home/hobby electronics, random home maintenance, those scenarios are much less likely and having a bit extender on hand would still be a better solution than grinding the selector against whatever caught it.
I have personally ordered one, so I guess I will find out the hard way eventually :p
For wear and tear, I'd like to have seen them all thrown into a cement mixer along some stones and left there running for 12h so we could get a decent finish wearing and to get some debris on the mechanism to check how well they fare.
I was actually trying to get that to happen-it was going to be the segment that was me scratching the drivers with an HF screwdriver-but my health issues prevented that shoot from happening :(
That would most likely destroy all of the rachet mechanisms. You're not even supposed to use the butt of the driver to hammer something into place because the shock from using it as a bumper can damage the rachet.
@@JeffGeerling Well aware, I have been following your condition. Hope you get better soon! Really like your rPi content!
@@unfortunatelyrob2635 but it would be fun nonetheless!
@@unfortunatelyrob2635 They actually make a screwdriver that is purpose built to be used like that for stuck screws. You hit it with a hammer and the internal mechanism uses the blow to turn the bit.
I can't believe I actually watched this video till the end... and I liked it. You made me like tools 😂. I'm subscribing to learn more. I'm hooked now.
I admire the commitment to subtitling when you add "assorted bit change noises" in there.
I can get the PB Swiss for 57 euros here (just the handle, no bits), so that would honestly be my go-to pick.
Sounds like a Swiss flexing :P
@@helloukw Nope! I'm Dutch lol. PB Swiss is just very expensive outside of Europe. And the LTT screwdriver is $100+ here after shipping and import duties.
I have a Snap On that was given to me as a gift over 30 years ago. Been used for everything from pc building to construction. Looks a little dirty, but still works great. I also have a DeWalt, which you didn’t test. It’s major flaw is that it is a fair bit longer, and thus more awkward in many situations.
I worked as a mechanic for 15 years in several shops. Every mechanic I have ever worked with owned that Snap On ratcheting screwdriver and I still own mine. The warranty is second to none and is the best screwdriver hands down I have ever used.
You have the Good Version of the Snap On Ratcheting Screwdriver. I had two, One was the Ratcheting Screwdriver and the other a Ratcheting 1/4" Drive. They look the same except for the tip. Each was 35 Years Old. The 1/4" Drive finally broke after 35 years and Snap On replaced it with a new one. What a piece of garbage. It weighs less than half as much, the ratchet is nowhere near as smooth and after a week it came apart while using it. I have put it back together three times now. The gear assembly keeps popping apart. My 35 year old Ratcheting Screwdriver is still going strong. Unfortunately they do not make rebuild kits for the old ones so you are forced into the new model.
I've learned a new technique from this video: rotating the shaft when you start screwing in (because it's easier and more stable, I guess). I'm not even sure I have a fitting ratcheting screwdriver for this technique, but it's good to know.
Awesome job man.
Kept my attention the hole time.
Subbed..
I like that you’re using the Zoom H6 for recording audio! It’s an amazingly versatile device, used to have one. Otherwise, I really appreciate the great and in-depth review. Definitely hoping to get the LTT screwdriver at some point :)
It's extremely handy, and can take almost any kind of input level I throw at it.
I've had one of those Snap-on drivers for 22 years. It is literally the best tool purchase I ever made. It didn't cost almost $100 back then - only $50, which is still TOO expensive for a flippin screwdriver. But After carrying it in my back pocket for years, it has earned a special place in my heart. One of the most aggravating things I've noticed about cheaper ratcheting screwdrivers is the selector mechanism. Most of the cheap ones twist in the opposite direction that you're about to screw. That's REALLY annoying after you've gotten used to one that does it "the right way" - meaning you twist the selector clock-wise to screw something clock-wise not ratchet clock-wise. Also, another "feature" I've noticed with cheap ratchets is that the selector gets turned by accident when you have to hunker down and drive something requiring some torque. (I'm looking at you Hart/Walmart brand ratchet driver!) There's another area that I haven't seen any reviewer mention - maybe because they haven't had their driver very long. But after some time, the ratchet mechanism will get dirty and will need cleaned and re-lubed. With the Snap-on (and I assume the Williams, because it looks like a clone), you can easily disassemble the driver and ratchet mechanism, clean it, and reassemble it to make it feel brand new. The last thing I don't see reviewers mention is the quality of the bits - not necessarily strength - you can only supply so much torque with your hand - but the bits ability to grip the fastener head and NOT cam out. Snap-on bits have always performed excellently for me in this regard - to the point of when I lose a bit, I buy a Snap-on replacement. They're honestly that much better at not camming out - specifically the philips head bits - and are worth the extra money not to strip out fastener heads. The Achilles heel of the Snap-on driver is the way it handles bit storage. Compared to more modern designs, Snap-on is severely lacking. The tail cap of the driver interferes with the bit storage when you have several bits in there, and it's just not organized or efficient. If I could change that, I would give the Snap-on a perfect score.
To be fair, $50 in 2000 is $86 in 2022, so not too far off.
This sounds like you're a Snap-On dealer...
@@Clay3613 LOL, I know, right?!? But honestly, they make good tools. They're just too darn expensive. That's why I only have one Snapon tool.
Nice video, Jeff. I am really glad I watched this.
I find it easier to change the screwdriver instead of changing a bit from the storage under the handle, especially when you have a lot of work and have to alternate between different screwdriver heads. I can also do without a ratchet in screwdrivers. The chances of me misplacing and loosing one screwdriver (with all its bits inside) is significantly higher than misplacing a set of screwdrivers that come in it's own bag. But then i guess that's just me. 🙂
Fantastic review! Thanks!!
Huh, I've never seen someone grip a screwdriver like that when screwing in a screw... it looks super carpel-tunnel inducing.
me neither, not sure if hes mad or im missing out on an easy way to do things.
Loving the Dutch football shirt!! Great vid, as always!!!
Really glad to see you feeling better Jeff!
What a small world. I bought your
ansible book the other day and then randomly searched YT for a review of the screwdriver and you came up. A dude of many talents :)
I'm quite pleased you have both bought the book and commented on the video, and I hope they both are extremely helpful!
Would have been interesting to see the mega pro driver in this line-up seeing as the LTT driver licensed as lot of this design.
I also came to the same conclusion that the WIlliams or the MegaPro Automotive edition are probably best for most people as they cover most of the features of the LTT screwdriver at around half the cost ($40). Personally I ended up getting something around $20 because I know I won't use the screwdriver super often, but it's still something useful to have around for the few situations when I need it.
6-in-1 flippy kind is my go-to driver. Cheap enough to keep in every room and tool bag. 5/16" nut driver is key for any hvac and white goods repair
I love the asmr and the "reloading" test
tells you heaps about usability aswell as feel and comfort
a tool that sounds nice will be nice to use
even if its not the very best
a tool you are happy every time you get to use it is a good tool in my book
next time get a hardness tester for the wear and tear testing
"deeper grooves at level 6" abd all the jerry riggers will fall in love with you
Just watched the "Project Farm" review! Nice to have a broad perspective!!!😁👍🏻
PF's videos are always stellar. This video draws some inspiration from his style, but I figured I'd give a little more from the IT/user experience perspective (PF is all about that data).
@@JeffGeerling Yep. PF's was rapid fire data!!! I like the "Red Shirt Jeff" angle!!! Absolute Worth the Watch!!!😁
I recently switched from Wera to PB Swiss screwdrivers and I absolutely love the quality of them! As for ratcheting screwdrivers: I actually don't know a single professional who uses them. Be it on construction sites or in IT/computer repair. Even non-ratcheting screwdrivers with bits are somewhat rare and at best used for some oddball security screws.
Thanks for very Handy review.
Thanks for the review! It was good to see a thorough overview from a different perspective. Personally, I am not a fan of "small bits"... I find them very annoying to handle.
i think the wera drivers just feels so good in the hand and the price is decent. also with a solid screw driver like the gamers nexus one its easy to magnetize it with a magnet if you need more strength and sometimes you just cant beat the simplicity and compactness of a regular driver, im glad you included them in the video
Definitely! I love having multiple straight shaft drivers, because they always win when there's a clearance issue. Not as useful for high torque, but if you're pulling that hard on a PC build or in a rack, then you might be doing something wrong :D
I like my wera drivers, but have you ever tried the felo? Handle wise I think they're the best I tried so far. They are a joy to use
@@JeffGeerling I prefer regular screwdrivers too. It's a rare occasion when the screws are all the same and so it's quite normal for me to use 6 screwdrivers at any one time. I think it would be a pain in the ass to keep switching bits. Although i do see the use case for bit screwdrivers for obscure bit sizes and styles, and to have one in the car or similar.
I really like the hex shaft. You can put a wrench on it when you're driving deck screws etc.
Just want to say here, I appreciate you and every other creator who puts in the time and effort (or money), to get proper closed captions on your videos.
It makes watching and following along way easier, and im sure it's even more helpful to people who have impaired hearing.
And it makes make watching at 2x speed (which I do) less like a lesser experience.
Its not something you always notice, but you always miss them when they're gone.
P.s.
TODO: *Transcribe spoken words from **18:30** to **20:13*
lul
Edit: not really complaining but there also seems to be some more script in the "touch wood" section, like you didn't say those things out loud but they are in the closed captions.
Every channel over 100,000 subscribers should have CC. It's not just an important accessibility feature that's been kind of neglected in the internet era, but it's also really useful and not hard to implement especially for those producing scripted content.
Absolutely agree that CC are very nice to have. I appreciate it as well!
About your edit: Starting at the touch wood section till the end of the video, all the CC are about 5minutes ahead of the video itself.
@@nero3700 ah, I realized that a bit late, I was editing while watching the video lol
True. There's definitely issues with the CC in the wood screwing section, it almost looks like captions for later in the video
Thank you, and also sorry about the issue... we had some captioning issues with this one :(
Should be fixed now. Also, I care deeply about accessibility and wish I could do more. Honestly captions are the least we can do, it is not super expensive to take the time and do it. I have someone who helps me with them, but usually we have a day or so to work on them. Today's video was uploaded right before I went to bed las night lol.
This is a awesome review, thank you
so excited for mine to arrive!
The LTT seems solid if you're willing to drop $80(plus $7 for me since I need torx bits for my knives) but the Williams is a nice middle option. For $15 I think the Amazon Basics isn't too bad. Sure it has a bit more slop but the materials seemed nice, nice storage for bits (plus they're standard size so I can fit 12 of tho bits I have vs 6 in LTT) and at 6th or 10th the price I think you get 80%-90% of the performance.
LTT is a rip off, for that amount you can get a set that can do more.
You could buy enough of those Doyles to last a lifetime :P
I purchased a cheap 10$ kit from amazon about 5 years ago, it has ~20-30 steel bits and okayish handle, still in good condition to this date.
@@AnonYmous-qi9rb sorry for my bad english, I'm not from an english speaking nation.
You fixed it! I’m fixing my previous message by deleting it!
Great video thanks. I was really hoping to see the Makita ratchet screwdriver included in your testing. It seems like a solid choice and great value at £15.
I got an iFixit tool kit when they were first available and I find they do the job for working on electronic gear. My favorite for household mainenance is the Dewalt 31 pc Ratcheting T Handle Hex Key Set. The T handle works well with my athritic hands. I added some torx bits that are missing in the kit. I'd include a link, but CZcams would probably delete the conmment if I did. One annoying thing about many bits is how they become "rounded" with use.
Very nice video! Had the same feel as Project Farm's video along with some interesting extra tests.
I bought an LTT driver to keep in my backpack for the odd computer job every couple weeks and for maintenance on some of my remote control cars, many of which have very long and annoying screws where a rachet comes in handy. Plus it supports a company that I've watched grow for the past 9 years - its a win win. That being said, I'll definitely buy a Williams if I want a 2nd rachetting screwdriver specifically to beat on.
I'm not watching a half hour video about screwdrivers! oh sh*t I just did.
This is such a great video with a very thorough review.
Nicely done, and yes my feel about the LTT store screw driver is equal. thank you for the video, i'm going to give the williams a try
I have to say, performance aside I really like the design of the Amazon basics screwdriver. Amazon is evil but I like the idea of having a more accessible line of basic consumer goods that give people who aren’t experts or who don’t have a large budget an option to get what I would consider pretty necessary items.
We know that LTT worked with megapro, so there you said that technology is certainly legitimate. Did Amazon? Did they bother to pay for the patent that they're infringing on? I doubt it.
@@edwardallenthree What are you talking about? It's a ratcheting screwdriver, there are dozens of them on the market. The AmazonBasics is clearly a different design than the MegaPro. MegaPro is not the only manufacturer of ratcheting screwdrivers.
@@porterfielddynamics they have the patent on the bitholder mechanism.
Amazon doesn't really make anything
@@edwardallenthree what makes you think that Amazon didn't pay for licensing - if they really used a patented mechanism?
I guess it's just your hate for Amazon. Correct?
Nice video and props for LTT. The pb swiss PB 6510.R.100 is a lot closer in price and function to the rest of the screwdrivers it has internal storage for 10 bits and in Europe you can get it for around 60 euro. Seems to be a lot better version to compare.
I actually couldn't find the same PBSwiss model as in the video anywhere online here in Germany.
@@MPD90 Yeah I know and I only could find the 6510 sold online here in Germany.
It's a shame that driver in Australia is AU$239 or it might be appealing. It's the same price as the Snap-on and almost $100 more than the LTT driver.
Well done Jeff, a very useful and well made video.
13:02 LOL, that "lol sorry" and "you too" on those two screwdrivers is gold 🤣👌❤️