Master Chen Zhonghua "Buddha's Warrior" Application
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2020
- Master Chen Zhonghua demonstrates fighting applications for the first move of the Yilu form of Practical Method Chen Style Taijiquan. "Buddha's Warrior Attendant Pounds the Mortar."
explanation (of possible if, if , if); not application. If it all depends upon the first redirection, without a clockwise rotating right foot back to possibly entice persistence in the punch rather than the more likely following punch; then the rest is a moot point. It's for grappling at best.
Of course, in MMA the second move in the sequence, which if properly performed breaks the elbow, is illegal.
But this isn't MMA
where is the pounding? Why start from a defeated position where you are already hit to the heart?
Because you have to entice your opponent to do something and you counter it. This is practicing the counter
Never ever work
Care to explain why?
Catching a punch directed to your chest, absolute BS. The others are more or less effective but there are not part of this particular form, The last one with elbow and knee at the same time again absolute BS. The uppercut and knee at the same time more plausible. After uppercut there is a backfist and stomp but they should be used independently according to the situation and body mechanics, to force it to happen exactly like in the form is absolute BS (did I say it enough times?)
Have you ever practiced with a PM TC practitioner or teacher? You should feel it. I have, it's impressive. I used to train in it, and am starting back up, btw. Go seek out a teacher or class and see.
Oh, and for the record, if I happened to use this opening move on your incoming punch, I wouldn't bother to grab/catch the punch, I'd just redirect and break the elbow, as he shows in the beginning... game over. TC is nasty. But then again, so is XIng Yi, etc.
With all due respect, that's not practical.
What is your definition of practical???? The concepts taught here is the basis of so much techniques we now know in “modern” martial arts. Learning the original concepts make your present practice strong. Without understanding these original concepts, your techniques will always be superficial. Take any high level “practical” martial artists and they will respect what is being taught here. So, pay more respect than what you think is owed.
@@johnpark6184 Here it's clearly trained without pressure testing or actual intent. The starting distance and reception of the punch seems impractical, and the sequence too complex to be performed in many steps without an opponent utterly messing it up.
That said, I fully believe it can work. It's just that it's not going to be made to work with these guys, trained in this way, waiting for the opponent to take the initiative. The first move is turning a striking game into a grappling game, and should work even better with an active movement to do it to your opponent (if they hang out in a longer guard) rather than waiting for an opponent to do it to you. The second move is a low defense move - chances are that punch is going to land, but in return you grapple their arm (and as you can see from that leg kick you can do some nasty things to them in return).
Actually wait what the hell that last variant second move seems to be exactly a particular move from Qi Jiguang's 32 fist forms. Nice. Actually improved my understanding of it.
Third one is seen in most grappling arts, it's just sorta clear that the guy teaching doesn't really know how to grapple/doesn't have experience making it work against resisting opponents... but it can almost certainly be done. From the subtle things and from the 'you go here', it's pretty clear that the teacher never practiced making these moves work in real life, but... I am pretty sure they will if trained with intent.
Edit: Have them start in a good boxer's stance, with arms up ready to guard themselves. Then imagine transitioning from that to the given form, with explosive footwork and active intent. In some cases, instead of relying on your opponent to punch the air to your side, the guy leans or takes a step to the side whilst (much more importantly) actively parrying the opponents arm to the side violently into a temporary grapple to give him the chance to perform the next move. Just like that, we're closer to clear practicality.
@@DarkwarriorJthey have to start out simple and controlled. I'm sure as a seasoned martial artist you understand that
This guy doesn't have any actual Tai chi ability, at all. He's using hard style, not soft Taiji principle, looks more like xingyi application of jin rather than taiji. A lot of the applications he's teaching are not the ones taught in his own lineage. He's made them up or simplified or he's used his own interpretations; it looks a bit krav maga influenced. It's clear he can't do many of the actual applications in the form, since those applications are done using Taiji principle, which he hasn't grasped. Essentially a hard style martial artist who has borrowed Tai chi moves for his own purposes. Every other practitioner in the Hong lineage that you can find online is a better representative of Tai chi.
@@user-zr1dr7nz8e Chen style is pretty hard, seek out videos. Soft at first, but then gets progressively harder. That's why it's effective - IE practical. Go try out a class or teacher, my teacher studies w/ this teacher and I found it very difficult and hard on my body to practice. And the power I could feel was pretty amazing. Post a video for us to compare against...