Can Sorcery, Lorcana, or Flesh and Blood Take Down Magic the Gathering?!
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Let's talk about indie tcg's and if and how they can take down Magic the Gathering. Can Sorcery, Flesh and Blood, or Lorcana get the job done, or will MTG continue to be king of all trading card games?
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In this economy isn't one set per year more affordable if you are a collector? It allows you to collect other games out there. As a player, it builds up the excitement of the next set and it allows more people to get on board and try the game. MTG is like IBM, It does not have to die just evolves on its own and accepts the fact that there will always be something fresh and innovative to compete with. In this day and age, these games need to worry about being available, affordable, and fun. “Do what you do so well that they will want to see it again and bring their friends.” - Walt Disney. Great video, thanks!
The last thing i want out of a card game is it to be good for colectors.
i couldn't care less. Sure, go ahead. I'm just not interested. I expect the card game to be good to play.
Shocking, i know.
having a stale meta or insanely expensive and rare cards just kills the game.
Magic does it because it slowly milked the playerbase for almost 3 decades.
IMO Collectors need things to chase and keep them interested. I am not sure if 1 set per year gets that done from a collectable or gameplay standpoint but I am excited to follow along!
@SkyllerSY it has always been my position that TCGs live their best lives when they please everyone from players to collectors. These communities are a vast spectrum of individuals and the more people who can find a passion for engaging with your game and group, the better. Because of this belief I find catering to players AND collectors in balance to be best
It doesn't build excitement. Out of sight, out of mind is a popular saying you may not know.
hot take: unless these other card games bring a fun and casual yet potentially deep and competitive format like commander, MTG will continue to stay on top. Even after MTGs traditional 60 card formats die out (and its starting to), commander will keep the card game as a whole alive.
These games need to appeal to stores. If I was a stores the profit margins and treatment from magic looks horrible.
It's going to be a good episode on the podcast when your subscriber count overtakes Louie's.
LMAO I doubt that episode will ever happen but I appreciate your support
@@HometownTcg I'm calling it early. 100% it will happen. Will be such a funny episode with you two.
'Take down'? Naw, it don't really work like that.
Is FaB more fun and easier to get into as a new player? 100%
Meta-Zoo maybe tho...
If all tcgs go digital I think pokemon has the edge over magic. The pokemon love is much more fun than arena.
Arena would have to change for sure
If it's another year after they release beta before another set comes out, then sorcery will die out. People will forget about it if they are not engaging with it regularly. Currently it's all hype and that will die down soon and so will the game.
That is my worry - it is going to be interesting to watch and see how it turns out!
They've already delayed Alpha and now Beta by a month. The company has no communication with the community. Only the diehard fans who follow the game like puppies are ignoring the red flags.
Rise and fall of another empire🙌
I wouldn't mind seeing one of these tcg's purchase the I.p for 80s boardgame "candy land" as an fun flavored set.
Candyland would be a sweet crossover but as far as rise and fall of an empire I think we will be waiting a long time for the fall
H*LL NO ! 😜
Have a great weekend.
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What is the podcast name the sorcery person will be on?
May the Zoo be With You - you can find it @KitchenTableTCG
I think Lorcana is going to bother more Pokémon than any other other TCG. They are too similar.
I've heard a ton of rumors lately about Lorcana and Flesh and Blood both having what it takes to take down Magic the Gathering. Personally, I love the game and I don't want to see it go however; After seeing what Lorcana and Flesh and Blood have to offer and the recent decline of Magic the Gathering; I'm starting to consider backup options.
The force is getting strong in you.
Have you heard or seen any buzz around Grand Archive? It’s been really popular at my lgs.
I have heard good things but haven't gotten involved myself
@@HometownTcg it’s kinda reminds me of if mtg and fab had a baby. As weird as that sounds. You love gameplay would love for you to try it and give your feedback.
I would love to see MTG go it really needs to. I live in Portland, OR and it is literally a mono game city and that is MTG. Good luck if you want to play anything else especially if it is new. I tried FOW, a much better game than magic in my opinion, and I would have to drive 2 hours to play. It really sucks. Unfortunately I think Hasbro showed that taking a steaming Hawt Karl on both their biggest IPs does absolutely fuck all of nothing. I mean just because I will never give that company another dime doesn't really seem to matter.
You gonna get that copy of Windows 98 graded?
I’m seriously considering it 😜
I discovered this channel through Flesh and Blood. What got Hometown to change over to MTG exclusive content? Genuinely curious
I disliked how LSS treated pillar members of the community and felt like I was being pushed "out of the club" as it were. I also was realizing that for FaB to see the growth that I wanted before everything fell apart, LSS would need to pay more attention to the casual community and find ways that people could casually engage with the game. The gameplay, the box, and the event structure actively fight against the casual enthusiast imo and I couldn't keep "yelling into the void" so to speak.
You couple that with my daughter being born and my time becoming more scarce I had to spend it where I had passion that I felt could be reciprocated with potential.
That being said if you are a FaB fan I not only support you but want nothing but good things for the vast majority of the community. As a small creator I still wanted to talk about FaB but didn't want to get destroyed by the algorithm - you can find any thoughts I have on FaB (and other indie tcg's) @TradingCardGeeks
@@HometownTcg I greatly appreciate you sharing this insight with me. I enjoy the FAB TCG, but I’ve been getting into Commander in MTG, and find it to be a fun deviation from standard. I like dabbling in different card games, and I’m really appreciating the slower pace that MTG offers. I’m still checking out what’s out there. I like your content!
Also, congratulations on your daughter! I wish you and your family the best!
I appreciate your positivity with this one - I know things like this can be rough.
Commander is fun and I’m glad you’re enjoying the content - let me know how your adventure into the various formats goes from time to time
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I personally think there’s one serious factor that you left out.
What do you think that is?
@@HometownTcg It is apparent that other card games are not evaluated on the same level as Magic. Recently, I engaged in a lengthy discussion at my card shop regarding this matter. Unlike other card games, if they were to make the same mistakes that Magic has made repeatedly, they would likely go out of print and become obsolete. The longevity of Magic's success, spanning 30 years, can be attributed to the devoted fan base who believe it to be unparalleled and unbeatable. As the saying goes, "if you say something loud enough and long enough, eventually it becomes true," and this holds true for Magic's unwavering prominence in the card game industry.
I think magic succeeds in todays day and age for far more reasons than just “it’s been here for 30 years” - this is why you see indie tcgs like FaB repeatedly reaching into the mtg playbook and taking thing for their game.
@@HometownTcg I understand your perspective, and I agree with you. The point I was trying to emphasize is that new card games like Flesh and Blood are not given the same level of unwavering loyalty and forgiveness that Magic enjoys from its devoted fan base. If any new card game were to make the same mistakes that Magic has repetitively made in the last year, those games would likely cease to exist. The reason Magic endures is due to its dedicated followers who, regardless of the circumstances, continue to support and purchase its products. These ardent fans, in my opinion, can be seen as fanatics, but not necessarily in a positive way. While I still appreciate and enjoy playing Magic, I no longer support their practices by purchasing their products in the same manner as before
@@themagicoffleshbloodI agree with your points. Being first to market, if I remember correctly, is one of if not the most important thing in selling a product! Mechanically, there have been quite a few card games made over the last 30 years that are far better than magic. But, it's extremely difficult to get people to buy in when they're already invested in what came first.
Anyone else surprised by the lack of Grand Archive in the thumbnail?
If there's any game I can say most disenfranchised MTG players might enjoy, it would be GA.
I already talk too much - I couldn't talk about EVERY tcg!
I hope you are enjoying GA
Lorecana -
Isn't competing with Magic the Gathering, or Pokemon, etc.
Disneyania is its own marketshare and the fandom involved don't really participate in the Card World.
Lorecana won't be a competitive card game.
Lorecana won't be a collectible for the fact they're cards.
Lorecana will be popular and collectible as added memorabilia for the individuals that enjoy the characters and IP attached to Disney.
(This will also include Star Wars* (unless George Lucas buys it back) Marvel, and potentially a Kingdom Hearts. )
I see it being sold well within Disney Land and World resorts, even getting autographs from Jasmine on your 1/1 Jasmine alt red outfit card.
1/1 Slave Leia art since that toy and imagery was discontinued etc
Flesh and Blood -
PvE - see Raid decks from World of Warcraft tcg (Lich King one for sure)
lots of fun and potential
Maybe combine some elements of Pathfinder Adventure Card Game.
Magic: the Gathering
Could die, and card games will still exist.
Pokemon isn't going anywhere. Ever.
Pokemon is the modern day escapism of the idea a 10 year old could free travel a social economic utopia.
I'll leave space as to why I fully believe this but I would have to educate others here on a perspective about Yu-Gi-Oh! and what it truly means to the Card Community.
Yu-Gi-Oh! from its very origin was a celebration of persons enjoying and playing games. Boardgames, dice games, video games, and of course Card Games.
Yu-Gi-Oh! has done it all and with mild success in its different avenues.
Like... This "new" Sorcery game, is literally Dungeon Dice Monsters with Magic the Gathering cards as the summon pieces. (not a facetious statement either, like it literally is Dungeon Dice Monsters aside from the mechanics to summon. But building a path and gameboard to the opponent to hit is identical.
A lot like Duelist of Roses the YuGiOh game too.
Interesting note.
Yu-Gi-Oh! has an anime. And before that a Manga. So its media was already successful before the Card game.
It is The fact the anime is centered around playing the cards you're going to be able to own and play with, is what made Yu-Gi-Oh! stand out and rise up to join and become The Big 3.
It is cosplay, make believe, education and fun all in one available package.
Adult Yu-Gi-Oh! fans right now would pay HUGE money to play on a real Live VR Duel field. 100% Like at a Vegas event.
The fact "the heart of the cards" meme has transcended to other games, let alone Culture as a whole, speaks to how much more vastly influencing Yu-Gi-Oh has been vs. Magic the Gathering on the minds of the masses.
I see elements of Yu-Gi-Oh! in Flesh and Blood.
I feel it is an official part of the Core 4.
FaB won't be Vanguard or Force of Will, or Duel Masters/Kaijudo, etc.
It already is blowing up in EU and Brazil and Japan.
It and Yu-Gi-Oh eventually will become the top 2
They're actually played and engaging metas. Of course the bans and tier 0 decks will always cause toxicity but what card game doesn't?
Well formulated opinion ! 🤓
Have a great weekend! 🤘🦁🤘
Don't see KH making it any time soon.
Squeenix has their FF TCG
FaB💪
When I get comments that just say "FaB" I have NO idea how to handle them or what they mean LMAO
Paper MTG will persist in any digital future short of a nuclear apocalypse. Imagine that Hasbro and WOTC go bankrupt tomorrow but won't sell the IP to anyone ever. MTG communities, panels, youtubers, etc. would find ways to create/distribute new cards and continue to give people a good excuse to gather in person. After all, these are the same people that created the most popular format for the most popular CCG. Oh yeah and everyone thinks collectable digital assets are now a scam (NFTs)
It would be interesting to find out - that is why as long as there are TCG's imo there will be an MTG. The concern is one day when people move on from owning physical collectables. That likely will not happen in our lifetimes!
my vote will be on one piece tcg
I don't know as much about it as I should but I have heard good things!
Ah yes, mtg is king :')
Doesn't look like its falling any time soon
Lorcana will probably affect Pokemon more. It would be great if all new games gradually remove mtg from 1st place. Everyone can still play mtg for decades without needing any new product releases. With regards to the market, new games are much better than mtg, but in order to have a future in paper tcgs, mtg HAS to be gradually eliminated from the market of new products. Tcgs and other paper games in the digital era will vanish if mtg keeps dominating the market. So mtg doesnt really carry the tcgs into the digital era, it will actually be the doom of tcgs.
So Cal “Sorcery TCG,”.
San Diego stores (2) “Brute Force Games,” & “Kingslayer OC,”
LA Stores …. “Kingskayer(2)”, “Board Game Paridise,” “Top Deck Keep,” “Shuffle & Cut Games,” & “A Hidden Fortress.”
One Collector Spent $15K taking everything in store?
One Week Beta Release Stores Are at 1/4 Boosters for $150. 39 pack boosters
sound like you been out of Flesh and blood for a while. Rainbow foil L are very common. All the RF L in Fab 2.0 are under 40 except crown of Provedince and thats around 50 for non foil. the 1 card that very pricey would be tunic. Marvel are not needed to play the game.
Just visited the BH Chicago to say hi to MinMax and friends in the game - Plenty of expensive tunics/scabskins/masks/storm striders and more going around.
The game does not cater to the casual enthusiast in box opening or in play imo.
MTG commander tables are full of casuals AND tryhards that pretend to be casual. Everyone is a carebear, then the game move fowards and you feel like your playing five nights at freddy's. :P
The 40 year old enfranchised magic Dads aren’t playing a new game.
This is likely true. Speaking from experience XD
Heh, Me and 3 other 40 year old dad magic players are picking up Lorcana. We have been playing Magic since '94. But we are not dropping Magic just taking a break. Lorcana will be like the 8th or 9th tcg break from Magic throughout the years.
This is great feedback! I didn’t think it would happen and it clearly is - thank you for sharing and let me know what you think of lorcana!
I feel like Sorcery and FAB are taking over MTG. Just not in terms of marketshare. But in every other aspect.
It's a bit like Madden in video games. It'll keep selling and treating its fans badly. But there are many other games, that are better and more fun in many ways.
I see what you are saying and appreciate your feedback - we agree to disagree on this one
@@HometownTcg It's not easy to respect other people's opinions. So I appreciate that. And I agree with what you said elsewhere that FAB isn't treating casual play well. I would add, they also made the higher rarities much too rare for people to collect unless they live without financials really being a concern. They definitely dropped the ball there, and I hope they will fix it at some point.
Sorcery has been great at casual play though. So far. It's also huge on flavor which I love!
I'm also very excited about the upcoming Drakerion TCG, because of its very snappy fun gameplay in which, like in FaB, you can sort of 'steer' your deck through turn by turn play.
And Star Wars unlimited, though I'm a little wary of FFG support. And the game hasn't got flavor text (yet?) which I would miss a lot. It doesn't seem super complex, so I think I'd prefer it over Lorcana if I want to play a 'lighter' game.
I just gave you a lot more opinions to disagree with, haha. It's just how I feel personally.
Magic isn't going anywhere even though Hasbro is running Wizards to the ground.
With Sorcery only having one set a year, that meta is going to get stale quick.
I think its going t be interesting for sure. I am excited to follow along
I think because it’s not as heavily focused on the competitive/tournament scene people will be more likely to play fun decks instead of chasing the meta constantly.
@@Geek2pointoh Fair point! I hadn't thought of that.
Seeing deck limitations within sorcery I don't think solving the meta will be as easy as it sounds. Magic you get to have playsets of the the strongest cards. Sorcery you can't in theory do that. Could be wrong but I'd be happy just knowing I won't have to deal with fomo like with mtg
Nope. As awful as WOTC & Hasbro are, MTG is the best game ever.
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Best, in what way? Mechanically? Flavor? Marketing? Organized play? Something else?
@@danacoleman4007 Gameplay. Easy to learn, fun, strategic, fresh dynamics throughout endless deck techs.
One Piece TCG.* There I fixed it for you.
I don't know as much about it as the others but I have heard good things!