You can go to university to not be something | Jordan B Peterson
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- Universities can be a pleasure island and the price you pay for it, especially in the U.S. is debt. They can rob your future self while allowing you to pretend that you have an identity.
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"they rob your future self, while allowing you to pretend like you have an identity"
JP spitting bars too hard
ikr, I mean like I was blown away by the whole video, as a 15 y.o I'm not only learning new words from him, but also acquiring knowledge I didn't know would help me at least with my addiction and my life.
It’s awfully brave of JP to speak out against the very institution that employs him.
Tenure.
But that can only be done from the inside.
Yes, but he must have been tenured, to protect his speech haha
When Jordan rips on Universities and relates it to the reality of work, it's a good day. 👌🏼
The corporations have outsourced millions of jobs. That's why young people have it so bad. I got my start in a call center job that got outsourced. The factory jobs got outsourced. Programming is getting outsourced.
Jordan, stop it! You’re making too much sense!
That everyone should be a jackass to eachother?
@@pietjan2409 No its what homo sapiens identify as a joke
@@pietjan2409 a year later and you're still an idiot
@@Montenegrin1728 lmao
Wow OMG it’s genuinely the first time I hear a higher up academic talk about this. In my first year I was astonished because I realised most of us were just there to have a kind of ‘teenage fantasy away from home’ fulfilled and the actual degree was just a sidebar to that🤦♂️
College kids are too afraid to speak up, they're too busy on their phones or rolling their eyes waiting to get out of class. They can't write for shit either. Of course, they can cram and pass the test.
I wish I saw this before I went to university. I was immature and didn’t take responsibility for my position in education and life. I was too young mentally. I don’t remember being taught to think, I was just taught to repeat. So now I question whether I can do anything from scratch at all. I guess I need to teach myself how to think.
I hear you. In the same boat.
I’m going into university in about a few months, do you have any advice?
@@ViralVidz21 Difficult question. A reasonable answer would be to be curious. Do research on your own and be critical of what you are being taught. Learn like mad, but most importantly, do what you really love and are passionate about. That would be a good start
Latest Lyrics depends. What program (& major) are you entering?
its too late for you , but if you have children , its not too late for them
This pandemic really shows how lost the universities are and how meaningless their proposition on life is. Empty, stripping children from their families, (as if the public school system hasn't done that already), whispering sweet lies into the ears of the blind, and leading them astray with visions of themselves they will never reach. Truely a sad tale but one that has gone on for too long, colleges are in every sense pleasure island to the immature and undeveloped. A moth to a flame.
I really like "leading them astray with visions of themselves they will never reach".
@@angelmusicvideos it's really sad to see, a friend of mine was told his degree was worked worthless bc the name of the degree was different then what the job wanted. Even tho the degree had the exact same classes. He was told by the school "oh this will make you more competitive just take more classes" "oh employers will think highly of you for doing this degree instead" heartbreaking to hear hard work thrown down the drain like that over false hope.
@@matthewadams8040 well my heart goes out to people who looses massive amount of years of there life, wow yea it's so unfortunate and yea it will keep happening I feel until the human conscious learns to stop trying to manipulate each other by thinking 1 answer is the truth, that truth is all that there are but because that kind of information can apply it will soon enough be broken in half and stepped into little pieces and hopefully one day as a whole being to have enough courage so one day we will rise up to pick up the stupidity of our actions, to recollect it, eventually create a big enough pattern that even the most hopeless situations can be uplifted but life isn't that simple, everyone must first be tortured, ridiculed, all these other bad things that can happen to them but why must we keep repeating the same mistakes generation after generation but all this will end once all the broken pieces had been put back together but stronger than ever. P.S Trust is love, without it all is lost.
agreed Russian doctors are better than Western doctors because they let you do a self-induced colma to cure you Benzo addiction
@@matthewadams8040 To be honest with you, I think the whole system is a complete joke. Half of my lectures at uni were from people who were completely fucking useless and probably didn't know much more than me. Some lectures were good, but the content we were learning was so hit and miss in terms of how useful it was, and the idea that you should be limited to learning certain modules is a complete nonsense. We have books and online resources, so why the fuck do you need to pay 9 grand a year to go to uni and learn stuff you could learn yourself? I've taught myself better than my lecturers have. There truly is no point to university, it is just a crooked, moronic, corrupt, ridiculous set up that in my opinion should be removed completely.
Here’s some other reasons why this is so true. There’s a: parking fee, tuition fee, mandatory meal fee, mandatory recreational services fee, mandatory lab 🔬 fee, textbooks 📚 fee, mandatory dorm fee, mandatory computing softwares fee, mandatory homework portal fee, mandatory insurance fee which requires you to copay frequently, etc. 🟣⚫️🍀🌺🌸☘️⚫️🟣 They have started coming across as business models than education in my opinion.
i never knew it was that bad
And they are a business when it suits them and they're government when it suits them.
When I went to school my profs went on strike for 6 weeks. The university management caved to every demand at the 11th hour to spare the semester and simply passed on all the incurred expenses to myself and the other students. Was I able to get any portion of my tuition back considering that only half of the classes I had payed for were delivered? Of course not. Name for me if you will a single business that can expect to get away with not having to reimburse customers for services NOT rendered?
@Rangus what do you mean by "13 kills"??
The fee structure is more representative of the American fee system - there's fees for most things in America. Consider tips to be "fees".
You also have fees when you go to buy a car. You have your base price, you have a documentation fee, a delivery fee, a DMV fee, etc. Most of these are BS and you could negotiate to zero, but most people don't realize this.
There's also fees for buying tickets to places online - service fees. There's also an additional service for using food delivery services like Doordash or Grubhub. You pay $8 for your meal, another dollar as tax, $5 for shipping, another $5 for your service fee, and your $8 meal turns out to be greater than $20.
The "hidden" fees in America are so BS.
I love how he's still reppin cowboy boots. Once an Alberta boy, always an Alberta boy.
Dr P. rockin' them!
I do not regret going to university at all, but at the same time I romanticise my time there far too much, pleasure island is a good way to put it. The friends and experiences I had I wouldn't change for anything, but academically it hasn't been that influential in helping my career and I think we are encouraged to go to early, 18 is a young age to decide what you want to do for the rest of your life.
After my undergrad I went back to do a masters for a year and it was such a strange year for me because I was torn on wether to just spend the year partying it up and living care free, seeing as it was my last year in education, or to knuckle down and make the most of my time with my education. In the end I spent maybe 2 months living it up and the rest of the year on my coursework, with a sensible amount of 'pleasure island' antics.
It was only in my masters that I realised that universities are a business, and the excitement of student life is part of the advertising. When I finished my masters my tutor said 'thanks for the money mate' jokingly, but there was an element of truth to it. The masters like my undergrad degree hasn't really pushed me forward that much and I'm learning a lot more/better by myself. Still, even now though as I try to get into my chosen field I feel the urge to say fuck it and go study another masters degree, because the enticement of being a student and being in a sort of limbo where its okay to not have my shit together because 'im learning' and be around other people who share a similar mindset is very strong.
We are always told by people that university is the best time of your life, which equally creates a fair amount of pressure to 'do it right' and in hindsight it messes with me a bit because I think of what I should have done to really maximise my time there, socially and academically to fit this idea...but at the same time why the fuck would I want my life to peak at 18-21! The whole idea of uni really is a mess and its refreshing to see someone tackle the mainstream ideas surrounding it
I often wonder why I'm so disengaged from university. I came here for these exact things: to learn to write and speak. Fix myself. Yet I'm worse than I've ever been at these two, and I can't help but think it's largely my fault, but it's also true that there's nothing here to give me the push I need. It's become even more apparent with forced online classes. Is it right to want to go off on my own and do private study? 4 years in and I'm no closer to reaching the goals I set for myself than when I started. In fact, I would say I've lead myself astray in a way I never imagined I would, so I'm at a point where I can't focus on anything anymore and I wonder whether my niche goals are even worth pursuing. With focus I know it can be done, but I've lost all focus. And not because it's "pleasure island", far from it. In recent days I ask myself what it's like to have an opinion, what it's like to have a conversation, what it's like to work hard at what you believe in that you know you can become the best at.
What college are you in, if you don't mind me asking?
Dude, fair questions. Speaking through mr. Petersons language, I think you've reached too much into the unknown for yourself, so it's all seems chaos.
In my opinion, (yeah fellow youtuber) it would be good for you if you remind yourself is your goal nobel enough or would the pursue of it take you to the better place in the future. Do you like this picture your hopes and promises have drawn to you? If so, keep up the good work, will ya? 😁
(It was like I was writing to myself😄)
Man, it all depends on what you believe is your long term goals. You constantly sacrifice now, even in utter chaos, to create a better package of your self and your reality further down the line. When I think back on my time at uni I think that it taught me things I had no intentions of learning. And things I had intentions of learning it didn't teach at all. It provides you with an arsenal of weapons, not necessarily the weapons you wanted to attain, but nonetheless weapons which have been sharpened in some sense, to a greater degree than someone who hadn't had the same experience. This is all providing that you didn't use university as a 'pleasure island' as Mr Peterson describes it. Psychological pleasure, though, also can be mental in a way that destroys you and leads to depression - as Peterson says, sometimes indecision makes today easier and more bearable but it makes tomorrow a lot worse, and it compounds.
What are your goals? Set them in writing. Focus on them. I'm talking long term. Break the goals down - what major milestones do you need to achieve along the way to attain those goals (If you don't know them exactly - THAT's FINE! It's better to have a BAD PLAN and execute it, then mend it along the way than to have NO PLAN and sit still!!!). Break those small milestones into short term steps you need to take today - these range from things that need to be done, to lifestyle changes which may need to be implemented. Try meditation, try jiu jitsu, try reading books on psychological improvement and technical books on the thing you 'want to become best at' from experts that break down these processes.
It's all about setting your frame up right and focusing on the image ahead. Both those things are needed - the proper direction and the proper gauge of distance. Only then can you start mapping your way, and without those things you are lost. If you need any other help let me know, I'll help you out how I can my brother.
Well, your first mistake was thinking you needed a degree to learn how to write and speak. Those are things people do everyday, for free. So, the problem is actually you.
@@HelloThere-xs8ss speaking and writing in a way that'll make you a great debater and speaker...akin to the level of great(not even good) lawyers. Not trivial, informal speech.
Hi, Dr Jordan B Peterson. I am from Malaysia. Words cannot describe how you have impacted my life. I was once lost, resentful and feel that life is meaningless. I was diagnosed with depression and attempted suicide a few times. But your words have guided and encouraged me through the darkest moment of my life. I love how you always said to gaze through the abyss and you will see the light. Now I read your book, I started cleaning out my room and organising my life. It feels way better. I enrolled into the university at 25 years old and plan to get my degree. I will come back 4 years later if I make it. Thanks and God bless you.
Happy to hear you found your adventure. Stay strong, be brave and may your light shine and illuminate the darkness. Best wishes
As he says to University students rip
KatzenProductions
That's an easy and stupid way to generalise universities.
If all of them and all majors were that stupid, Peterson surely wouldn't have taught at one.
There's a case to make for universities.
I do believe there are subjects better than others, especially those which teach you how to think and formulate yourself compared to social, ethnic or transgender studies, the latter ones useless in the long run because they don't prepare you for any job and are filled with SJW ideology!
People are literally being educated to become puppets of a group of people hating the "unfair society", trying to destroy the foundation of our culture.
Useless as they are, all they do is cause trouble!
And that's not trouble that actually makes a positive change because the problems are not existent in the way that their brainwashed minds identify them.
I mean what the hell. You really believe women studies will make a positive difference for the future? "Equity 👍", yeah right...
Jordan's mind RIP due to benzo's
Lightnings it’s also often necessary for stem fields because of the cost of the equipment-you’re not gonna go buy a lab device for 100k to use it once for practice, and you’re not gonna order a hundred dangerous chemicals to use a drop of each.
Get well soon mann We Need you in this society
As someone who got a degree in the humanities, I have to admit that what Peterson says is frighteningly true. Universities need a massive transformation in the way they deliver education, specifically within the Arts and Humanities department.
Absolutely. I am going into International relations, hopefully that brings more of that perspective into learning, not the everyday 'specific skill' bullshit.
Wow, I was being really hard on myself for not graduating from sixth form and going to university, and feeling like a literal failure all these years. Thanks Jordan; Now I see that I am far from a failure, and that in fact I may have been saved from the beast.
Most of my friends who went straight into careers after sixth form are leagues above where my friends who went to uni are now. Not just financially but personally aswell.
@@legendgamer676 what careers did they enter?
Darth Maul I wasn’t particularly close to them so I can’t say. But most of them are in full time work and some drive Mercedes at the age of 21. I think it’s mostly salary based office/corporate jobs
You're still better off going to a university and studying a stem degree. Can get a job in any field after.
@@pennyhardaway7491 You think? Thanks. I'm currently looking at options for going back to school. What kind of STEM would you do?
BA fine artist graduate. Reason I went to uni was because it was an easy way out to move out of my parents home. Of course I didn't say that at interview. After graduating I worked in so many different sectors, can't list them all as there are so many jobs and stuff. I don't see my degree as a waste because it actually allowed me to awake and develop critical thinking about my life. I don't think I would have that awakening if I didn't pay the full price. Of course if I knew what I know now, I'd probably be awaken before going to university but since I was stupid, that was the only way for me to learn how stupid people can be.Thank you loans.
Those last few lines he says are exactly what I think every day. Too many people in my profession are all about making people feel better rather than driving competencey and empowering people to think and work for themselves.
Brutal honesty. I love it.
He's speaking so much truth that a single lav mic isn't able to handle it all.
Yeah I wish I hadn't gone to university and read loads of books and worked really hard. I should have sat on my arse, drinking Pepsi and watching CZcams. Then I'd be the ubermensch like all of you guys.
@@rhysperegrine5100 True, they don't teach jokes at uni.
@@lokinya Sometimes they mention King Lobster's double helix theory. That's pretty funny. Almost spat out my Pepsi (over my lav mic).
4:22 this man is tremendous!
'they should teach you to be a monster'
Never heard that before but I can see now how it make sense when you're in a job with certain responsibility. Especially when you're dealing with senior officer where they always talk over you just so that they can win the argument.
The whole ideal practice of 'everyone has to speak out in a discussion' becomes useless with these people.
That's right, you have to be a 'monster',
Where you exute deadly power/competence in any situation and discussion with your action and talk.
I agree with Jordan, think, speak, write, formulate arguments.
Can't wait to get new clips from lectures
Got my finals in a week, I needed this. Thank you Jordan!
its been 8 months i dropped out from uni and now i have more control over my life then i used to.
"You don't have to go to college. but instead Please tell me what you have felt and learned in the broad world, no matter what you do." - Jae chun Choi ( Ewha woman University chair of biologist professor)
The problem is that Universities don’t put enough attention and effort into teaching people how to actually excel in their chosen field of study. They give them the knowledge of the topic but absolutely ZERO practical methods of moving forward and standing out from the crowd. Not to mention that (depending on the individual) a large majority of students don’t have a long term career plan in the first place. That’s why so many post graduates are unemployed and depressed.
if universities taught these things, “standing out from the crowd” would be significantly harder
The thinks so well and fast I had to watch this video 5 times to understand it
Literally. Not even kidding
This man is making a huge impact in the world, people is waking up.
Peterson: It’s better than an endless round of Starbucks jobs.
Frappuccino just sitting on the desk: Am I a joke to you?
JP values stability and security over instability for various reasons. However, I would like to point out that some people will definitely do better with the part time jobs over a full time one.
can't like your comment because you have 69 likes :'(
@@simplyInvent Nice.
You are simply super Dr Jordan. Brilliant , courageous , bold and pragmatic. This realistic approach is really required in today's so-called modern world which unfortunately only encourages and celebrates mediocrity rather than excellence.
I’ve paid this price. Don’t make the same mistake I did. Pick a degree that will get you a good job and is very well rounded (STEM)
I really love these old clips, he used to smile....until the media stressed him out!
Amazing.
When he said ** 1:51 ** we all felt that
Can we please make this man go viral. Much needed right now especially in the US
True!
Luckily he already became viral a few years ago. I cant say how glad I am that this is the case and that I am able to listen to what he has to say
@@pasta248 It's life changing right. We just need more people to spread the truth
Too bad he's sick in some hospital now and can't speak against the madness we see these days.
@@hosamelsayed5723 he would probably be one of the only people to actually point out the problems and look at how they can be addressed, rather than playing the blame game
So True.
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They're everywhere
not even the worst fate. Note, starbucks to the left, starbucks to the right of him.
@@Abo-xz5bs The are probably in his school haha.
2:40
Think, speak, write.
Will make you deadly together.
4:06
Most of people are making people learn, not think.
Amazing
Dr. Peterson changed my life from negative to relatively positive within a year just by listening to his advice. His 2nd book is fantastic and I just started his first book which is also fantastic. Extremely helpful and eye opening. Just incredible.
I am wtching Piterson from Russia
From North Kawkaz!)
Damn he hurts feelings. No wonder many people don't like him.
What's wrong with being an addict, illuminate pls
@Psychonaut these are the standart after effects of every single smart people's life. I don't like many things about his way of thinking either but I can kind of imagine why he is struggling in his own life. If he keeps playing his role he may even end up with a suicide and you know what, which one of us really care at all after all the information we took about this life and reality?
@Psychonaut You're in the minority as to using your reason to hate him, unless you don't hate him for that reason. Most people who hate him hate him for speaking about the topics he speaks about.
@Psychonaut And if you heard about what he teaches and talks about first, before you learn of his personal life, and you had followed his advice and it had seemed to be working, would you all of a sudden ditch that psychologist for having personal problems? I think it's a bit folly, and it falls near the same kind of "ad hominem" attack when participating in civil discourse. Not the same, but you're judging what he says from his personal life. And for what it's worth, it seems like he handled it pretty well, including from the support from his audience.
Ad hominem at it's finest
God I love this man!!!
They don’t do a lot of teaching kids how to think, only what to think in most unis theses days. A lot of my friends from high school have shot to the left since starting uni.
So how have you questioned Jordan Peterson's ideas? What about his reliance on Jungian theory, for example? How have you critiqued that?
In large part he's probably correct at the University level unless you are getting a degree in Medicine, research , etc. But you can, in most of the United States, go to what is called a two year or community college for very little $$ or even free with grants and such. There you can learn a trade / craft, or the first two plus years of a four year degree, or just for the fun of learning. You can take as long as you like. I went back to college at 41 and stayed for over 10 years. Had a hell of a good time learning Geology, Anthropology, Ceramics, Sculpture. Also a smattering of Marine Biology, Botany, brushing up on Math and English skills. At 54 I moved to San Diego, county and started an Art Center for the 3D arts and crafts i.e. Ceramics (pottery and sculptural), Wood working, and Glass Blowing. We opened on a shoe string in 1997 and are going strong twenty three years later. WWW.nottinghamart.org So many go straight for a specific degree without having a good idea what is possible or what they really want. So spending a few years getting a broad sampling at an inexpensive community college is a great life value in many ways.
Literally me before i discovered this man. God bless him.
The thing you need to know before you go to Uni. is that when my dad went after WWII, only 3.5% of the population made it. He made it on scholarship, and graduated 20% ahead of his class (at the time a pass was 40%, so there was a lot more room to exceed at the top of the class, when a first was 65%). This allowed him to work every remaining hour of his life, at something he loved, until about 5 years ago, and he died last year. So when people talk about university as having been a guarantee of success they are talking about generations of people who came out of an institution that was far tougher to get into, and a lot of the people there, probably at least 50% (of the 3.5%) were dead serious people.
Today, 50% of the population go to Uni, they often had their tuition paid, until the numbers became so great that was totally affordable, and morphed into a tougher deal, but the US turned it into a racket. To get 1400% more people into Unis, you can imagine the useless shit they teach to crappy students to make that work. I makes sense to imagine that you need a different kind of education to push ahead in a knowledge economy, but the human capital just isn't there. We rob other countries to get it, which is another story.
Think: ✓
Write: ✓
Speak: pending...
He’s so spot on about how arts & humanities should really function. If taught correctly, you should be leaving most business grads in the dust when going up for jobs that require complex intellectual thought even if you don’t tick every box in relation to hard skills while they do. Plenty of 1:1 business grads who are spreadsheet magicians and have zero people skills nor can critically think.
university is not a preparation for the job market or economy but a place for science.
2:46 spot on
i swear i didn't expect the last pic, hilarious
I’ll change my whole life plan just to become a student in Jordans class.
This is hands down the best JP fan channel. Fuck the "Destroys" crap.
On the topic of the debt, I would add this piece that is missing from the hubbub:
Tuition isn’t the problem. It is the financing of 4-5 years of life beyond tuition and fees that is the problem. It is avoiding work and having somewhat lavish living quarters, food, etc. which is responsible for the bulk of cost.
The second aspect is in trying to use tuition at a generic level. In-state tuition is significantly lower than out of state tuition - for good reason. If you go to an instate college and don’t finance your room, board, and entertainment for 4-6 years you debt load is really low and can be nonexistent.
how are you verified
I have 3 college degrees, but they are in skills. Ceramics, metal design, welding, fiber art, graphic design, digital design, web design, digital art, etc… just in time to be needed taking care of my mum.
But with that last degree I ONLY did it because of a grant. Virtually nothing out of family budget.
Jordan Peterson is soooo blunt and unfiltered that everything out of his mouth is pure GOLD...
this guy doesn't know how to lighten topic or put filters and I LOVE IT!
I will do it again!
2:15 “The problem with the degrees is that everyone has one. Scarcity matters, obviously.”
Now that he has established this reality the question comes, how can we change it?
Hey man this squash tastes good and so will it when I expel it in the morning
The academic canon stops us handing out the cosinal algorithms people need to see in order to know what sciences are. It even gets removed when it is put on youtube. If they were common knowledge and everyone were in possesion of the canon, they would may be, realise how much of what is said is arbitrary and why the only academic substance the canon will give to anything Mr peterson says, it that they are ideas. This was made clear at my very first lecture on psychology at my induction.
Man has a Star Bucks cup on the table next to him. Lmao, I love Dr. P with a passion. This man has helped guide me through my teenage years.
To continue on with this conversation check out John Mulaney's bit on 'paying 120k on a language he already knows' in ' Comeback Kid' . Hilarious and depressing at the same time
I can tell you a Job that isn't bullshit like an office job and is underinvested in: Social Work. Yes, a good chunk of it is talking to people but it can still be for various reasons, and are surprisingly competitive compared to psychologists who can yes, come to your house but likely charge a premium for that and isn't readily available to all of them. Sometimes they can be heads of Group Homes and sometimes they work at Independent living centers.
The end 🤣
Damn odd cause I've been thinking of dropping out lol school sucks. Why am I paying to be stressed out and wasting my younger years on it? I don't feel like I'm going anywhere
Any comment on Waldorf /Steinar education?
I went to Australia as a student , to get a bachelor degree in network security . only 3 teacher that stand out in mind as ones that actually cared and tried to teach us anything. one of my teacher, who was teaching us to prepare for the Cisco Certification spend most of the classes telling about his travels, his experience in Dubai, showing us 3d camera photos, and telling us what to ware in interviews, and funny story from his time working as tech sport...
Another one of the teacher failed to solve his own exam.. and tried to hide it by pretending to be busy.. I only learned enough to pass the degree using internet resources I could have used in my home country without spending 70k or more to go to Australia.
and Australia keep bringing more international students post covid
what about a stem career? do they not come out dangerous if they only deal with critical thinking in numeracy i.e. less debate? ps I'm going into stem not bc I'm good at it but because i want to get good at and i like it.
I didnt want this to happen, but it did. I tried to make something else happen. Still trying.
Really can't believe he couldn't find someone to debate with at one of the best law schools in Canada: Queens U, he says. Not in Canada but someone please tell me this is a good Univ & Prof. JP was not exaggerating about the lack of critical debate. Students there couldn't debate a legislative bill that's about to become a law? How is this possible?? Is this for real?
When the uni lecturer drops bombs on the university but it's true
I know how to think, speak and write from university, but I have mental health issues, so that's why my performance is not optimal. I can't handle the manager when she yells at me, I'm prone to overthinking and I have trouble sleeping.
💜
I would have liked him to address jobs and work more broadly. It seems to me that we have too many people and not enough work to keep them employed in interesting jobs. When I started work there were no calculators, only slide rules, and mental arithmetic was the norm. That took a lot of effort, especially where a lot of calculations were required. Now we have computers doing it all in seconds. Factory production is more efficient because of automation. In my view this has resulted in a throw away society where to keep jobs we have to continually produce goods which will fail quickly and need replacing, or we are brainwashed into following fashionable trends. This is the real cause of environmental problems - mass consumption based on a throw away society.
He is throwing truth daggers at me and I don't even want to dodge lol
Does anyone have an insightful explanation to JP’s “pleasure island” statement?
If one were to pursue learning to think/speak/write and formulate arguments without going back to school (post-secondary success pending anyhow haha), how would one go about that effectively these days?
In another vid he said to read and write more to become more articulate and dangerous
He worked for a university while he knew this. He was part of the system he so despises.
The guys gotta eat 🤷♂️
Josh_sty 704 termites gotta eat
So? Somebody has to do it, regardless of the system.
He needs money dude
Don't stop
I may go to a small college that actually focusses on education, but I would never go to a party school.
Surely that should be Fantasy Island ?
There should be some alternative to a university. I have gained technical experience and knowledge working past 16years. Without a degree.Now I see I lack in economics and law. I would love to visit some classes where I could gain knowledge that I need for my business to grow. But I dont need a degree or mandatory useless classes.
Would on-line classes suit you?
@@arpadzigisfari5819 not realy, i dont stay motivated enough with online classes. And I miss the interactions with people. Something like a workgroup would be better for me.
People please ask Jordan to run for public office
"When I was a kid ( *roughly speaking* ) "
Has his condition improved? Has he recovered yet?
“I had been lived in the time of Jordan Peterson .”
Ok so then, what should i study/wich university should i go to to learn to think, speak and write?
If you actually want education as opposed to indoctrination then I would suggest leaning on your own would be far cheaper. More useful too 👍
Go for something in the stem field, so you're qualities are actually needed by companies. Do not choose a social study unless you're a really above average student that has ambition to go for a phd and make a career in research.
@@ayrton56612 What about economics? It is a social science.
How many jobs has he applied for without a degree?
I'm in my 40's and beginning a degree because I want a job that isn't soul destroying. I can't find a decent wage and contentment with GCSE's and an open unit in chemistry.
Jordan your not stupid
When I was a kid, roughly speaking.
Are these recent? Is he still teaching at University?
This clip is a few years old. Jordan Peterson has been having health issues (that's a whole different story), and I haven't seen any recent CZcams posts. I'm not sure if he's teaching now or not, but he is working on a new book, a follow up to "12 Rules for Life" which came out two years ago.
There are hundreds of Jordan Peterson clips online, however. Some of them are short excerpts like this one; some of them are an hour long or more because he put his lectures online.
2 years ago
The feeling of some what of certainty relaxes me and specially when others think im heading towards great path that i will be successfully. Thats why i want to go uni. But for myself i hardly survived college despite picking a easy course and smallest try to pass other subjects. Others are doing it. All of them.
pleasure island.... a uni-verse-city is small in comparison to the actual universe huh?!
You can be concerned about the social welfare of society and not be nice. If you did truly care you'd take the actions that would lead to the best net positive path, which doesn't have to mean being nice
I think that in the future universities will dissapear.
Today with a bunch of online courses you can learn anything faster and cheaper.
Especially now that coronavirus has caused people to realise this. You dont need to go to university to get a degree
@@pasta248 Thats my point. Im lerning to program online. It's hard but Im doing what Peterson says:"Aim to the highest goal posible"
@@gorilanator im fortunate enough to go to university in Germany, where you pay next to nothing to go to university. I even moved to Germany from the UK, because I wasnt prepared to pay 10k a year for something I could for the most part learn from home. Wish you the best with your programming 👍
I don't think so. You're right in that we can already learn anything faster and cheaper than at a university. There's the exception of things that require expensive equipment like electron microscopes, photolithography machines, or server rooms, but to my knowledge, undergraduates rarely use those anyway. You can learn anything you'd learn at Harvard from a state university, and you can learn the vast practical majority of that on your own.
However, Universities aren't a place to learn. At least, that's not what they're about anymore. University gives you three things: A community to exist in, a way to learn, and a way to prove yourself to potential employers. Even with that second bit becoming less and less useful, the other two are still essential. Without community, you'd have a really rough time navigating society. Without degrees, employers for more complex positions would have to design more tests for entry-level applicants to see how qualified they are for the job, which would probably evolve into a training program just to make certain that applicants actually had all of the skills that would be necessary for the job refined to the degree that they'd need.
You _can_ still learn at university, it's just not usually an efficient way to go about doing it.
@@dragon-xt4vw I cometely agree about the community... No idea how id survive uni without the people iv met there. And as a chemistry Student, I need the university to supply the Labs and Equipment as well.
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