hey man Those people complaining about the suppressors are the same lame ducks that call the police because of the noise... The only reason I don't have one is cause of the price... If you could make your own or buy one without the penalty price.... That would be good for the folks that don't want to hear it!!!! Always a great job, With detailed info.... thanks Johnny's Reloading Bench!
Hey man. Just wanted to thank you for your beginners guide to reloading series. I've just now started and those videos are just what I needed. I still go back and reference them. Keep it up man. Appreciate it!!
I love the lady bug doing laps on the green bullet box while you are venting! 🤣 New to reloading and your channel. Thanks for the detailed testing. saving me a ton of doing the same exact thing.👍
I'm a wannabe, but I'm 86 now and just don't have the energy to do all the planning and testing that you do so well. While I like to think I'm an accuracy aficionado, I aim to improve my scores with my M1A and Mini 14 rather then some more accurate hardware that I just don't like as much. The work you're doing and have done makes my planning much easier. Thank you.
I'm sorry, but your rant at the beginning of the video is absolutely hysterical... I can relate to that rant for sure. Fortunately the new range I go to is filled with much more experienced shooters, but all the ranges in the more suburban areas where I live are filled with Tactical Toms.
Myself and 2 other friends use h335 in our ar's . We did ladder loads from 23 to 25 gr. with a 55 gr. fmj . All 3 guns shot inside an inch at 100 yds. All 3 liked 23 grns. As we increased the grns. the groups would open up .
I like your videos, I watched your entire beginners guide to reloading. Please keep making videos. I'm getting my first pistol soon, then maybe I will get into reloading. Keep up the good work man. Thank you for all your good info in your videos.
I always shoot from a clean cold barrel when working up hunting loads. 20 minutes between groups isn’t unusual. When I switch powders I also give the barrel a good cleaning. This is as close to a hunting situation as I can get, unless you wait 20 minutes between shots, which most people don’t have the patience for. This is tedious but my group’s tend to shrink.
At 11:53, first shot with 335 being off to the left...I have found very frequently that when switching from one powder to another, the first round will go wild...not always, but frequently enough that I fire a first shot off my test target. And maybe I'm jumping the gun before finishing the video and you may have mentioned that:)
I don't worry about velocity only about group size. Yours would group better if you got yours set up like mine. Also I had 3 misfires with the Federal Match primers out of 1,000. In over 30 years I have never had a misfire with CCI BR. primers.
Great Vid, Keep the .223/5.56 content coming. I own several PSA uppers and I think you may be just at the limit of there freedom stainless line of Barrels, I think 1.5 to 2 inches is what you can expect out of that line. Their premium barrels by FN seem to shoot a little better for me. I've had great luck with Faxon Gunner Barrels as well as ballistic advantage Hanson profile barrels, both shooting sub MOA if I do my part and with the right match load. And neither are to expensive when compared to high-end match barrels. Looking forward to the .223 deer hunts, and thanks for the vid.
ive got 2 with that same barrel on both and 60g siera varmiter over 26.8g varget will shoot under 3/4" outa both guns but neither of mine are freefloated thats the barrel they use on the dissipator's but the barrel is smaller in the receiver side of the block and bigger on the muzzle side .750 so they can mount fsb on the end and run a rifle lenth hand guard on a 16"gun if his gun wont shoot the load i mentioned under an inch it probably doesnt do well free floated is my guess
I LOVE the 65gr SGKs! My Proof barrel eats them up. I put them on 25.4gr H335 in lapua brass and get about 3k fps. I just picked up some starline brass, so I’ll need to rework it. I found between damaging the brass from hitting the ground/stepping on and just losing my 223 brass. Lapua isn’t a great choice for me. Starline for 1/4 the price hopefully works out.
My favorite hunting round is the Nosler solid base 64 grain. I load it hot over BLC-2 for highest velocity/accuracy. It hammers deer, they drop in there tracks. I agree about brass pickup I only pick it up if I ask first. Otherwise it’s super rude...
I have loaded the following with great success, LC13 brass, WSR primers, 26.3gr H335, 64gr Federal bonded sp Pull down bullets from rmr and equally interchange well with winchester 64 grain power point bonded bullets. 3021avg fps from 10 shots .78'' 5 shot group @100y with 16'' 1:8 Twist AR
I bet if you back off incrementally with TAC, you will find a sweet spot that you can settle into the middle of so wide temperature swings don't blow out your precision. I use it with 75 grain Hornady bthp's on a LNL AP press and have been happy with it. My Foxtrot Mike 223 Wylde nitride 1:8 16" upper places them into 0.8" or less and that is plenty for coyotes.
I've had to yell at a person picking up my brass before. He started picking up my brass while I was on the bench shooting, I couldn't believe the gall he had to assume that was okay behavior.
I wonder if you stabilized the rifle a little better if your groups would tighten up. Just by holding the rail to reduce the jump. Please let us know. I have gotten sun MOA with PSA standard uppers. That was a lot of jump with each shot IMO. Cheers - thanks for sharing
Those clowns that were picking up your brass and knocked the suppressor probably weren't even shooters. Sounds like the guy I've encountered several times that only takes brass for scrap.
whoa man those are some hot loads. I shoot 24.5gr of TAC with the 65gr Gameking or a 64gr npowerpoint for about 2920 fps in a 18.5" barrel. I was peircing primers at those pressure levels, maybe if I switched to the AR primers I could go hotter but I think these non-bonded hold together better at more moderate velocities.
With PSA I suggest that you try the Colt BCA and Colt H2 or H3 buffer. There is something different about Colt Buffers. Loose material specifically engineered by Colt reduces bolt bounce during action lock-up, somewhat like a dead-blow shot filled hammer. { Colt buffers sound somewhat like a baby rattle when shaken. }... You could re-crown the PSA muzzle. Since it is uncoated stainless steel you could you could shorten, re-thread, re-crown if deemed necessary or possibly beneficial. Also, copper fouling can give weird results. Sweets 7.62 or similar solvent does a good job of getting copper out and it can dissolve plastic grips, wood finishes or optic lenses. ??? Did you get any deer with the 65 grain 5.56 Sierra Game King load ???
I'm betting this guy just ends up building his own range in the future....... I can see into the future!!! Also if you ever look at this comment from a video from 6 years ago. Can you do the same type of video for the 69gn HPBT Sierra? I have about 1mil of them and I want to build a load for dear next year.
Yeah, that Ramshot data for TAC 5.56 is screaming hot. Some of those max loads can make your brass almost one time use. I'm surprised the lawyers let them put that data out
Lyman also has some hot data. They state 27.0 for H335 and 55gr bullets or 26.4 for 63gr. They list pressures and its right up at 60k psi. IMO if you have a 5.56 gun you might as well use the full potential of the cartridge. Like you said only downside is 1-2 reloads before primer pockets are cooked.
I have never had any luck getting MOA groups out of H335 I have tried it in a bench gun and AR with every bullet combination I could find and nothing under 1.5". I have much better luck out of the extruded powders. do not get the velocity but accuracy is outstanding.
Hi, Good video. I wish you would have looked at the brass on the flyer for the colt. I have the exact gun and I shoot H-335 25.2 grains with same Sierra Game King. 10 shot group is a little shy of 1 inch!! Thanks for video, well made!!
I shoot at the same range. I think I have encountered those two guys as well. Older guys. A couple buddies and I were shooting and they just pulled up and watched us a bit. I guess we weren't shooting anything that interested them so the went on their way. The brass vultures are pretty annoying.
This is my WOA 18" complete upper free floating varmint barrel fluted 1 in 7" twist attached to a Colt M-4 with a Geissele SSA-E trigger. Using reloaded Sierra 69 grain Match King bullets it shoots 3/8" five shot groups at 100 yards. I also have a Bushnell 4.5-18x40mm scope with Custom Turret label accurate out to 900 yards. The rings are 1" high QD aluminum. The group in the picture was with 65 grain Sierra Game kings which I use for deer..
My 16" PSA does't like the 62 grain Sierras, but shoots the 69 gr. with consistant 3/4" moa. I think its hard to compare two difference rifles. It has 1n8 twist. I'll bet you wont find much wrong with the PSA. Work on finding a load the PSA likes. It may not be the choice you use. Love your vids. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the info. That's several of you saying that your guns shoot better, so it might be just like you say...a matter of finding the right bullet.
I haven't tried the ELDs yet but the amax fragment at high velocities my 100yd target looks like it was shot by a 410. You might try an ELD or Ballistic Tip, I don't think I would use a HPBT although it might be fine. I really think the powder is the secret. Mine really loves the lite to medium loads of powder and lower speeds. Plenty fast to kill a Whitetail. Why not use your 6.5 .
Johnny your best group was with the Colt and 26.3 Gr's of TAC, Sierra's Data is from a 20 inch 1:7 twist AR OAL is 2.260. With H335 MAX load is 25.6 Gr's for 2950 FPS , with TAC MAX load is 25.5 Gr's for 2950 FPS. Using Federal Brass and Remington 7 1/2 primers. Your TAC load is over Sierra's MAX load.. You had bad flyer with 25.4 Gr's of H335 that could have been bad trigger control on your part, maybe a unstable rest or your OAL of your rounds. You had your seating die set for 2.250 some of your rounds measured 2.250, 2.252, 2.249. All of this variation in OAL WILL effect the way your loads group.
25.8 gr of Varget with the same bullet gives me about .75 to 1.5 inch groups through a 1:7 16" 4150 CMV Aero precision barrel, depending upon how worthless I am that day.
How far were you shooting I’ve tried both powders with Hornady bullet and got good results with both powders and my gun is a psa lower and a bear creek upper hope you guys got some dinner
I 'm sure the twist rate on the rifles is different.. It is hard to get a good load, bullet type/ grain for 1-7 twist ( which must PSA come with ) I pretty sure the Colt is 1-8 1-9 twist..more forgiving barrels...I prefer 1-8 for 62-65gr bullets.on MHO
Great vid going to be loading CFE223 based off your first vid and after cross referencing just to feel comfortable!! But i was wondering if you could help me ialso have AR-comp and RL-15 but can't find much data on loads for the 65 gr gameking, do you have info that could help find min and max on these powders and bullets?
I'm also working up a hunting load for my AR (which is what brought me to your video), so I enjoyed the information you shared. But I was curious about one thing. Why do you shoot out of a warm to hot barrel? In a hunting situation your first shot will always be from a cold barrel. When I'm working up a load for my hunting rifles I always shoot from a cold barrel.....letting it cool between shots. It takes a lot more range time, but I think you will get better results. I also load Sierra Gamekings exclusively, 243 and 30-06, and they perform great on deer, hogs, and paper. Thanks again for the info.
Super old comment. You probably know more than I do at this point. But for others that may have the same question; I shoot out of a warm barrel to get the tightest groups possible. Giving every shot as close to the same parameters as possible. Once I’ve found my load, I will then find the cold bore 0 Vs warm barrel 0. When hunting I will account for that POI offset.
We have those mutants up at our range too. Can't fix stupid. I'm going to have to try tac see how my AR likes it. I shoot a lot of hornady so we shall see.
The PSA may no like the weight or type of bullet or with the free float barrel the nut may be to tight or loose causing bad harmonics. I would lean toward bullet weight and type.
The psa was jumping each time you fired bet the barrel is loose in the reciver lap it and locktight it think 620 is the stuff to use per a video i saw said it would be min 1/4moa better if it doesn'tt new barrel time
just got the lee pro1000 up and running. got 2 stuck cases in my decapping die. well i had to go out and buy another and got another stuck case. what prep or anything do you do to keep from getting stuck cases? i lubed all the cases but didnt over lube them. im about to smash my press. im not kidding.
The Colt LE6920 has a chrome lined, 16 inch, 1:7 twist barrel. The PSA SHOULD be a Stainless, 16 inch, 1:7 twist barrel. (not 100% sure on the PSA though)
Hi there let first start by saying this is the 3rd video of yours I'm watching (mostly because of the length which I like you start and 7/8 of the way finish something others take 8 videos to complete) I am 14 and started reloading mainly for the hobby of doing so but Aldo for better accuracy I recently saved up and bought an AR-15 db-15 and started reloading this summer for another rifle can if its no trouble and if you don't already have make a video on 55 gr. sp. cannelure 223 rounds as this is what I reload I never have time to actually go outside and setup paper to record reliably what happens if you read this please don't allow it to be trouble thanks. wesjwa
Yes, I have used them. I've never experienced a slam fire with any primer, to be honest. CCI's are generally regarded as hard-cupped primers that are least susceptible to slam fires, though. You should be good.
Are you actually shooting a 5.56 or is it a .223? Its my understanding that the 5.56 has a longer throat/free bore and in general faster twist rate. .223s are 1:10 and 1:9 etc. generally speaking. So what is the info for these rifles your shooting. Thanks
Once again a great video look forward to more videos as mentioned is this load for the does I am guessing and .300 blk for the big 8 if he shows himself on the right day. Just wondering would you be comfortable shooting the big 8 with the .223 If not how are you going to bring the .223 and risk the 8 point showing and not being comfortable taking the shot
Where did you get your load data from ? I am new to reloading and I am loading the same powder and bullets. All my books have a lower powder charge then you are using.
I have a new rifle: Mossberg MVP LR bolt gun in 5.56 NATO with a 1/7-twist 20-inch barrel. I plan on deer hunting with it this fall. I want to use HEAVY bullets in the 68-78 grain ball park. What powder do you recommend, assuming I can find it? TTA
Some people are rediculous you bought the brass it's yours, if you left the range leaving your brass there it's a different story but frigging little weasels taking your shit while you're right there has to be the worst
God damn best video I´ve ever seen from you. US-gunranges sounds just like Sweden gunranges before deerseason ;-) Last 2 weeks before deeseason is total maniac-weeks at the range……… exactly like you describe it. lol
Idk if u will see this before I say fuck it and research it but I'll ask anyways so I got some Hornady vmax 60g for 223. I've been using a lee die for seating bullets but I ran out of depth before I hit the coal recommend in my load book. I ended up putting some alum foil in the die and it worked for the time being but I want to buy a die that doesn't require that. What die do u recommend that will work with shorter oal and vmax style bullets
Doug Davis whatever part of your finger breaks that trigger smoothly. I've found that finger rule doesn't always apply. Different sized hands and distance between trigger and back strap change things
I have watched a lot off your 223/5.56 videos. And this one made me think. Look how good the colt has grouped! All your other videos with your built AR rarely shot this good! Either you are not getting good barrels or they are not being put together right? I would love to see you do more testing with just the basic colt, something that was not put together by you or PSA. I love your reloading channel. You do a great job. But I think you should just use a basic ar15 colt, something right off the shelf like most people would own to do your testing. Once you start changing triggers, barrels, etc it really throws off the test, because now there could be other variables that could be throwing your groups off. Also your Chrono hanging off the end of your barrel could be affecting your groups too. Just a thought. please take all this with a grain of salt. Just some constructive criticism.
I have 2 powders w748 and w460 the 460 is a bulk powder said to be similar to tac but anyway their 556 powder the w748 wouldn’t cycle my ak! But I needed it too so 3 grains of pistol powder as a booster got it shooting perfectly. Duplex load!!! Don’t do it very dangerous! Ppl do it . I load a lot of 556 x39 x54 the x39 requires a faster powder my new w460 powder cycles the ak fine at 29 grains but it’s probably not perfect the w748 wouldn’t . U can definitely hear the difference when u add that booster. I’m just sharing my experience. The primers looked perfect. I didn’t velocity check the load. It’s be nice to have a universal powder ! But now a days your lucky to get any powder at all especially value priced. 556 is just much cheaper to shoot
A crappy day at the range still beats the average day at the office! 😂👍 Thanks for the info.
hey man Those people complaining about the suppressors are the same lame ducks that call the police because of the noise... The only reason I don't have one is cause of the price... If you could make your own or buy one without the penalty price.... That would be good for the folks that don't want to hear it!!!! Always a great job, With detailed info.... thanks Johnny's Reloading Bench!
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Hey man. Just wanted to thank you for your beginners guide to reloading series. I've just now started and those videos are just what I needed. I still go back and reference them. Keep it up man. Appreciate it!!
Thanks, man! I really appreciate the kind words. Glad they've been helpful for you.
I love the lady bug doing laps on the green bullet box while you are venting! 🤣 New to reloading and your channel. Thanks for the detailed testing. saving me a ton of doing the same exact thing.👍
I'm a wannabe, but I'm 86 now and just don't have the energy to do all the planning and testing that you do so well. While I like to think I'm an accuracy aficionado, I aim to improve my scores with my M1A and Mini 14 rather then some more accurate hardware that I just don't like as much. The work you're doing and have done makes my planning much easier. Thank you.
Johnny,
Great videos from a long time hand loader. Great job
I'm sorry, but your rant at the beginning of the video is absolutely hysterical... I can relate to that rant for sure. Fortunately the new range I go to is filled with much more experienced shooters, but all the ranges in the more suburban areas where I live are filled with Tactical Toms.
Thank god I found this. I loaded some 69gr and 55gr with h335 awhile ago and have been afraid to test them until I seen this
Myself and 2 other friends use h335 in our ar's . We did ladder loads from 23 to 25 gr. with a 55 gr. fmj . All 3 guns shot inside an inch at 100 yds. All 3 liked 23 grns. As we increased the grns. the groups would open up .
I like your videos, I watched your entire beginners guide to reloading. Please keep making videos. I'm getting my first pistol soon, then maybe I will get into reloading. Keep up the good work man. Thank you for all your good info in your videos.
Thanks, man! I am just getting started...lots more videos to come. I have no intentions of stopping anytime soon!
I'm a big fan of H335 for 62-69 grainers. Very clean burning powder.
I always shoot from a clean cold barrel when working up hunting loads. 20 minutes between groups isn’t unusual. When I switch powders I also give the barrel a good cleaning. This is as close to a hunting situation as I can get, unless you wait 20 minutes between shots, which most people don’t have the patience for. This is tedious but my group’s tend to shrink.
At 11:53, first shot with 335 being off to the left...I have found very frequently that when switching from one powder to another, the first round will go wild...not always, but frequently enough that I fire a first shot off my test target. And maybe I'm jumping the gun before finishing the video and you may have mentioned that:)
Crazy that colt shot that well. It appeared to have a non floating handguard. That’s a POI shifting machine.
I don't worry about velocity only about group size. Yours would group better if you got yours set up like mine. Also I had 3 misfires with the Federal Match primers out of 1,000. In over 30 years I have never had a misfire with CCI BR. primers.
Thanks Johnny, Now I know that someone has broken the 3000 fps barrier with 65 grain Sierra in a 5.56...and with a powder I have.... Wow !
Great Vid, Keep the .223/5.56 content coming. I own several PSA uppers and I think you may be just at the limit of there freedom stainless line of Barrels, I think 1.5 to 2 inches is what you can expect out of that line. Their premium barrels by FN seem to shoot a little better for me.
I've had great luck with Faxon Gunner Barrels as well as ballistic advantage Hanson profile barrels, both shooting sub MOA if I do my part and with the right match load. And neither are to expensive when compared to high-end match barrels.
Looking forward to the .223 deer hunts, and thanks for the vid.
ive got 2 with that same barrel on both and 60g siera varmiter over 26.8g varget will shoot under 3/4" outa both guns but neither of mine are freefloated thats the barrel they use on the dissipator's but the barrel is smaller in the receiver side of the block and bigger on the muzzle side .750 so they can mount fsb on the end and run a rifle lenth hand guard on a 16"gun if his gun wont shoot the load i mentioned under an inch it probably doesnt do well free floated is my guess
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Good info, thanks for sharing. I may try working something up with Varget and that 60g Sierra Varmiter.
The freedom barrels are the lower quality barrels from PSA. Their Cold Hammer Forged barrels made by FN are better.
I LOVE the 65gr SGKs! My Proof barrel eats them up. I put them on 25.4gr H335 in lapua brass and get about 3k fps. I just picked up some starline brass, so I’ll need to rework it. I found between damaging the brass from hitting the ground/stepping on and just losing my 223 brass. Lapua isn’t a great choice for me. Starline for 1/4 the price hopefully works out.
my 18" White Oaks Armament barrel likes 25.2 grains H335. 5." groups at 100 yds. Good vid, bro.
Same projectiles?
Dude I would have lost my shit on the brass thieves running down my suppressor. Freakin pull out my libertarian card with the quickness
My favorite hunting round is the Nosler solid base 64 grain. I load it hot over BLC-2 for highest velocity/accuracy. It hammers deer, they drop in there tracks. I agree about brass pickup I only pick it up if I ask first. Otherwise it’s super rude...
I have loaded the following with great success, LC13 brass, WSR primers, 26.3gr H335, 64gr Federal bonded sp Pull down bullets from rmr and equally interchange well with winchester 64 grain power point bonded bullets. 3021avg fps from 10 shots .78'' 5 shot group @100y with 16'' 1:8 Twist AR
I like the ladybug in the first five seconds on the green ammo box. Lol
Tac is my choice when loading. Thanks for testing
I had some brass vultures run over to where I was shooting when I went to check my target. Hope they enjoyed the berdan primed 8mm 😁
I bet if you back off incrementally with TAC, you will find a sweet spot that you can settle into the middle of so wide temperature swings don't blow out your precision. I use it with 75 grain Hornady bthp's on a LNL AP press and have been happy with it. My Foxtrot Mike 223 Wylde nitride 1:8 16" upper places them into 0.8" or less and that is plenty for coyotes.
I've had to yell at a person picking up my brass before. He started picking up my brass while I was on the bench shooting, I couldn't believe the gall he had to assume that was okay behavior.
I wonder if you stabilized the rifle a little better if your groups would tighten up. Just by holding the rail to reduce the jump. Please let us know. I have gotten sun MOA with PSA standard uppers.
That was a lot of jump with each shot IMO.
Cheers - thanks for sharing
Those clowns that were picking up your brass and knocked the suppressor probably weren't even shooters. Sounds like the guy I've encountered several times that only takes brass for scrap.
We have brass tweekers in my area, too. They are human vultures.
whoa man those are some hot loads. I shoot 24.5gr of TAC with the 65gr Gameking or a 64gr npowerpoint for about 2920 fps in a 18.5" barrel. I was peircing primers at those pressure levels, maybe if I switched to the AR primers I could go hotter but I think these non-bonded hold together better at more moderate velocities.
I load 24.6 of TAC
You should shoot the Savage MSR15 RECON. A very accurate rifle.
With PSA I suggest that you try the Colt BCA and Colt H2 or H3 buffer. There is something different about Colt Buffers. Loose material specifically engineered by Colt reduces bolt bounce during action lock-up, somewhat like a dead-blow shot filled hammer. { Colt buffers sound somewhat like a baby rattle when shaken. }... You could re-crown the PSA muzzle. Since it is uncoated stainless steel you could you could shorten, re-thread, re-crown if deemed necessary or possibly beneficial. Also, copper fouling can give weird results. Sweets 7.62 or similar solvent does a good job of getting copper out and it can dissolve plastic grips, wood finishes or optic lenses. ??? Did you get any deer with the 65 grain 5.56 Sierra Game King load ???
I'm betting this guy just ends up building his own range in the future....... I can see into the future!!!
Also if you ever look at this comment from a video from 6 years ago. Can you do the same type of video for the 69gn HPBT Sierra?
I have about 1mil of them and I want to build a load for dear next year.
Yeah, that Ramshot data for TAC 5.56 is screaming hot. Some of those max loads can make your brass almost one time use. I'm surprised the lawyers let them put that data out
Lyman also has some hot data. They state 27.0 for H335 and 55gr bullets or 26.4 for 63gr. They list pressures and its right up at 60k psi. IMO if you have a 5.56 gun you might as well use the full potential of the cartridge. Like you said only downside is 1-2 reloads before primer pockets are cooked.
I have never had any luck getting MOA groups out of H335 I have tried it in a bench gun and AR with every bullet combination I could find and nothing under 1.5". I have much better luck out of the extruded powders. do not get the velocity but accuracy is outstanding.
If I can find some, I want to load some 60 gr Nosler partitions.
On that second group flyer, beware the guys in white coats will get you if you dwell too long on the WHY.
Hi, Good video. I wish you would have looked at the brass on the flyer for the colt. I have the exact gun and I shoot H-335 25.2 grains with same Sierra Game King. 10 shot group is a little shy of 1 inch!! Thanks for video, well made!!
Amazing how your rifle started shooting good groups once you took the Magneto Speed off the barrel.
I shoot at the same range. I think I have encountered those two guys as well. Older guys. A couple buddies and I were shooting and they just pulled up and watched us a bit. I guess we weren't shooting anything that interested them so the went on their way. The brass vultures are pretty annoying.
looks like the psa one is a pencil neck barrel. frankly the groupings for it are rather impressive
That PSA is a pretty good shotgun Lol
Sierra is great in my hunting rifle
This is my WOA 18" complete upper free floating varmint barrel fluted 1 in 7" twist attached to a Colt M-4 with a Geissele SSA-E trigger. Using reloaded Sierra 69 grain Match King bullets it shoots 3/8" five shot groups at 100 yards. I also have a Bushnell 4.5-18x40mm scope with Custom Turret label accurate out to 900 yards. The rings are 1" high QD aluminum. The group in the picture was with 65 grain Sierra Game kings which I use for deer..
My 16" PSA does't like the 62 grain Sierras, but shoots the 69 gr. with consistant 3/4" moa. I think its hard to compare two difference rifles. It has 1n8 twist. I'll bet you wont find much wrong with the PSA. Work on finding a load the PSA likes. It may not be the choice you use. Love your vids. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the info. That's several of you saying that your guns shoot better, so it might be just like you say...a matter of finding the right bullet.
I haven't tried the ELDs yet but the amax fragment at high velocities my 100yd target looks like it was shot by a 410. You might try an ELD or Ballistic Tip, I don't think I would use a HPBT although it might be fine. I really think the powder is the secret. Mine really loves the lite to medium loads of powder and lower speeds. Plenty fast to kill a Whitetail. Why not use your 6.5 .
Harrison McCullough thanks for the info! I have a 16" 1:8 twist and I'd love to get sub moa. I'll try those
H335 should do it. If not go to H322. TAC has a long burn rate for more pressure.
TAC ROCKS with 55 FMJ's... I get sub MOA out of a 16" Sig M400
How did the deer hunt go? You may see comments on your videos from me , be assured I love them all.
Johnny your best group was with the Colt and 26.3 Gr's of TAC, Sierra's Data is from a 20 inch 1:7 twist AR OAL is 2.260. With H335 MAX load is 25.6 Gr's for 2950 FPS , with TAC MAX load is 25.5 Gr's for 2950 FPS. Using Federal Brass and Remington 7 1/2 primers. Your TAC load is over Sierra's MAX load.. You had bad flyer with 25.4 Gr's of H335 that could have been bad trigger control on your part, maybe a unstable rest or your OAL of your rounds. You had your seating die set for 2.250 some of your rounds measured 2.250, 2.252, 2.249. All of this variation in OAL WILL effect the way your loads group.
25.8 gr of Varget with the same bullet gives me about .75 to 1.5 inch groups through a 1:7 16" 4150 CMV Aero precision barrel, depending upon how worthless I am that day.
How far were you shooting I’ve tried both powders with Hornady bullet and got good results with both powders and my gun is a psa lower and a bear creek upper hope you guys got some dinner
I use 26 gr. of H335 with Hornady 55 gr. SP with outstanding accuracy. Colt 6920....
I 'm sure the twist rate on the rifles is different.. It is hard to get a good load, bullet type/ grain for 1-7 twist ( which must PSA come with ) I pretty sure the Colt is 1-8 1-9 twist..more forgiving barrels...I prefer 1-8 for 62-65gr bullets.on MHO
Lol see the kind of thinking of not wanting people to have suppressors is what happened here in Canada so you'd have the same experience as us
Great vid going to be loading CFE223 based off your first vid and after cross referencing just to feel comfortable!! But i was wondering if you could help me ialso have AR-comp and RL-15 but can't find much data on loads for the 65 gr gameking, do you have info that could help find min and max on these powders and bullets?
Bug crawling on the the ammo box at 00:15 :)
Stupid little ladybugs are everywhere this time of year!
Johnny's Reloading Bench you using a Redding taper crimp or is that a lee factory crimp die?
Wouldn't mind seeing how the white oak barrel shoots these loads.
Ooo and great video. I’d love to see an update video. Still using this load???
I'm also working up a hunting load for my AR (which is what brought me to your video), so I enjoyed the information you shared. But I was curious about one thing. Why do you shoot out of a warm to hot barrel? In a hunting situation your first shot will always be from a cold barrel. When I'm working up a load for my hunting rifles I always shoot from a cold barrel.....letting it cool between shots. It takes a lot more range time, but I think you will get better results. I also load Sierra Gamekings exclusively, 243 and 30-06, and they perform great on deer, hogs, and paper. Thanks again for the info.
Super old comment. You probably know more than I do at this point. But for others that may have the same question; I shoot out of a warm barrel to get the tightest groups possible. Giving every shot as close to the same parameters as possible. Once I’ve found my load, I will then find the cold bore 0 Vs warm barrel 0. When hunting I will account for that POI offset.
I noticed the same thing about CFE223, it's slow. I stopped buying it after 1lb.
I use 25.5 gr of 4895 for the same bullet. Works in the bolt gun and the keltec.
Really eye opening how much a slight powder difference affects accuracy..
We have those mutants up at our range too. Can't fix stupid. I'm going to have to try tac see how my AR likes it. I shoot a lot of hornady so we shall see.
The PSA may no like the weight or type of bullet or with the free float barrel the nut may be to tight or loose causing bad harmonics. I would lean toward bullet weight and type.
lets get the word out. we need to get him up to 10000 subs
The psa was jumping each time you fired bet the barrel is loose in the reciver lap it and locktight it think 620 is the stuff to use per a video i saw said it would be min 1/4moa better if it doesn'tt new barrel time
just got the lee pro1000 up and running. got 2 stuck cases in my decapping die. well i had to go out and buy another and got another stuck case. what prep or anything do you do to keep from getting stuck cases? i lubed all the cases but didnt over lube them. im about to smash my press. im not kidding.
in your opinion what is the closet commercially available round to match your 65 gr SGK load?
I may have missed it, but what is your barrel's rate of twist?
The Colt LE6920 has a chrome lined, 16 inch, 1:7 twist barrel. The PSA SHOULD be a Stainless, 16 inch, 1:7 twist barrel. (not 100% sure on the PSA though)
@@fryetactical Thnx!
Would you be interested in trying the Speer 70gr semi spire point??
Hi there let first start by saying this is the 3rd video of yours I'm watching (mostly because of the length which I like you start and 7/8 of the way finish something others take 8 videos to complete) I am 14 and started reloading mainly for the hobby of doing so but Aldo for better accuracy I recently saved up and bought an AR-15 db-15 and started reloading this summer for another rifle can if its no trouble and if you don't already have make a video on 55 gr. sp. cannelure 223 rounds as this is what I reload I never have time to actually go outside and setup paper to record reliably what happens if you read this please don't allow it to be trouble thanks. wesjwa
Thanks for watching! Sure, I can definitely do a video on the 55gr SP w/ cannelure. Do you have any specific powders you'd like me to test with?
Johnny's Reloading Bench I'm sorry for not responding sooner I didn't know you responded I use varget and cfe 223
Is that some type of lady bug walking the edge of the green container on the left side of the screen starting at :11 ?
Hello again, do you ever use small cci primers ? If so ever have any slam fires?
Yes, I have used them. I've never experienced a slam fire with any primer, to be honest. CCI's are generally regarded as hard-cupped primers that are least susceptible to slam fires, though. You should be good.
I pick up brass but I ask first
What are the twist rates? My money is the twist isn't right for that bullet and speed
good stuff.
What happened to the 65gr gameking & IMR4895 test??
Looks like you have a floating barrel with the SS.
Are you actually shooting a 5.56 or is it a .223? Its my understanding that the 5.56 has a longer throat/free bore and in general faster twist rate. .223s are 1:10 and 1:9 etc. generally speaking. So what is the info for these rifles your shooting. Thanks
Even a bad day at the range with jackasses beats a day in the office 🤷🏻♂️
Once again a great video look forward to more videos as mentioned is this load for the does I am guessing and .300 blk for the big 8 if he shows himself on the right day. Just wondering would you be comfortable shooting the big 8 with the .223 If not how are you going to bring the .223 and risk the 8 point showing and not being comfortable taking the shot
If the opportunity arises, I will definitely shoot the big 8 with .223! I think with the right shot placement it won't be an issue.
Johnny's Reloading Bench ya true don't know if anyone would pass up on the 8 point if they were confident in the shot placement keep it up
What’s the PSA barrel twist? Also it may be the barrel... I would lap it and see how it shoots.
did you try different bullet weight it looks like to me you are using a weight that the psa does not like
There's always that 1 person who pisses you off at the range mine is county so I can pick up my brass but that's all
Have you made a video testing the Hornady 53gr vmax?
Where did you get your load data from ? I am new to reloading and I am loading the same powder and bullets. All my books have a lower powder charge then you are using.
Anybody who thinks suppressors should be illegal probably think two shotgun blasts are good enough to get rid of home invaders. Just saying.
@1:43 who ever the guy was that said that shouldn't even be allowed to have a gun. Or be on that range.
I have a new rifle: Mossberg MVP LR bolt gun in 5.56 NATO with a 1/7-twist 20-inch barrel. I plan on deer hunting with it this fall. I want to use HEAVY bullets in the 68-78 grain ball park. What powder do you recommend, assuming I can find it? TTA
RL-15
Some people are rediculous you bought the brass it's yours, if you left the range leaving your brass there it's a different story but frigging little weasels taking your shit while you're right there has to be the worst
Looking for reload information on Hornady GMX bullets for Rem.223, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 308 Win.
God damn best video I´ve ever seen from you.
US-gunranges sounds just like Sweden gunranges before deerseason ;-)
Last 2 weeks before deeseason is total maniac-weeks at the range……… exactly like you describe it. lol
Idk if u will see this before I say fuck it and research it but I'll ask anyways so I got some Hornady vmax 60g for 223. I've been using a lee die for seating bullets but I ran out of depth before I hit the coal recommend in my load book. I ended up putting some alum foil in the die and it worked for the time being but I want to buy a die that doesn't require that. What die do u recommend that will work with shorter oal and vmax style bullets
I use varget for my powder I do have extreme temp changes the 65grain game king and berger 70 grain vld's work for me.
prop up a box next to ya and catch your brass
Out of all western powders highest velocity in 5.56NATO for Sierra gameking 65gr provided by Accurate 2520 powder.
Use the first appendage of the index finger, not the second.
Doug Davis whatever part of your finger breaks that trigger smoothly. I've found that finger rule doesn't always apply. Different sized hands and distance between trigger and back strap change things
I have watched a lot off your 223/5.56 videos. And this one made me think. Look how good the colt has grouped! All your other videos with your built AR rarely shot this good! Either you are not getting good barrels or they are not being put together right? I would love to see you do more testing with just the basic colt, something that was not put together by you or PSA. I love your reloading channel. You do a great job. But I think you should just use a basic ar15 colt, something right off the shelf like most people would own to do your testing. Once you start changing triggers, barrels, etc it really throws off the test, because now there could be other variables that could be throwing your groups off. Also your Chrono hanging off the end of your barrel could be affecting your groups too. Just a thought. please take all this with a grain of salt. Just some constructive criticism.
Sounds like you should start your own channel.
I have 2 powders w748 and w460 the 460 is a bulk powder said to be similar to tac but anyway their 556 powder the w748 wouldn’t cycle my ak! But I needed it too so 3 grains of pistol powder as a booster got it shooting perfectly. Duplex load!!! Don’t do it very dangerous! Ppl do it . I load a lot of 556 x39 x54 the x39 requires a faster powder my new w460 powder cycles the ak fine at 29 grains but it’s probably not perfect the w748 wouldn’t . U can definitely hear the difference when u add that booster. I’m just sharing my experience. The primers looked perfect. I didn’t velocity check the load. It’s be nice to have a universal powder ! But now a days your lucky to get any powder at all especially value priced. 556 is just much cheaper to shoot