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- The United States and China are looking to reset relations, as the U.S. Secretary of State prepares to visit Beijing this weekend. The trip comes months after the meeting was cancelled when a Chinese spy balloon was shot down over U.S. airspace. Author and world-renowned economist Keyu Jin was born in China and educated in the U.S. She joins Walter Isaacson to offer perspective on China's rise and its relationship with the West.
Originally aired on Jun 12, 2023
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I am a fan of Keyu Jin. She is a very intelligent and respectful person, who seeks the truth and stands for righteousness.
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She's fooled you. Her so-called opinions are really just disguised CCP talking points. Since when is democracy not suitable for China when it works perfectly well in Japan, Taiwan, and Mongolia ? People like Keyu Jin betray the millions of Chinese who yearn for an accountable and representative form of government by exploiting her privileged position as an educated pseudo intellectual. She is the epitome of a person who has sold her soul for either money or prestige or both. Whatever she is, she is an enemy of her own people. It's sickening to watch.
@@henryterranauta9100 These are slightly above standard questions. She replied politely and diplomatically. If it was me I would tell them to f*off. Anyway, Western people don't want to hear her and unless they go over to China and see if for their eyes, it's like talking to the wind.
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She is telling the truth that some people do not comprehend completely.
The truth of the matter is that China was willing to learn from the West, but the reverse was arrogantly rejected.
She's an agent of the CCP. She's part of the elite from China who can afford Western degrees and admissions to Ivy colleges.
nope
@@adamiskandar5107 nope
@@EnglishFuture-xg1gw Chinese leaders said that they learnt many objective lessons from the West and my own observation was that the US/West arrogantly rejected any lessons that can be learnt from China. Instead of just a 'nope' answer, couldn't you elaborate on why nope?
Prof. Keyu Jin, thank you for such a clear explanation of the cultural differences between China and the USA.
she is a pure liar
Cultural differences .. ? All Chinese aspire to freedom, happiness and wealth. These values are not specifically Chinese or American values and can only be achieved by having a semblance of democracy and definitely not a mercantilist, authoritarian dictatorship . This woman is neglecting to point out that the obstacle for Chinese people to attain these basic needs is the communist party because of their quest to remain in power at any cost. They are the problem. I have a hunch that her message is being tempered to suit her sponsor (CGTN most likely). Economics aside, you can not talk about China and refer to either it's geopolitical, social or domestic political situation without mentioning the crimes committed by the CCP against its own people. This is a shameful interview.
this is ccp propaganda. she's twisting everything.
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Unless students at Harvard want to work for the communist party in China I'd drop this professors class.
When listening to this lady, I am under the strong impression that I am listening to a light, watered-down version of the CCP's position. The interview was very good!
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“Watered down version of CCP position” - pretty accurate！This lady has been very active recently， working tirelessly essentially/virtually as a CCP mouthpiece。I left a LONG comment under her interview by Colman Hughes。
Her father is former Vice Minister of the Ministry of Finance of China - a very senior official of the Chinese gov （CCP senior official）： Wiki-【生于北京，父亲是前财政部副部长金立群。[1]中学就读于北京市人大附中。[2]14岁赴美求学，进入纽约哈瑞斯曼高中。】
@@jeffzhang3461🎉 yes. They should mention that. It's outrageous she is presented as a impartial fair voice.
@@jeffzhang3461so your saying she should know what she’s taking about then.
This lady is very smart. She is in a very difficult spot trying to explain both sides the advantages of working together when a lot of people on both sides do not want.
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something Miss Jin didn't mentioned was how bad US government spending money in the last two decades. How bad impact as the consequences because of the wrong sending.
The field is leveled regarding bad choices spending money. Otherwise we go against what she is trying to make. Do we really understand the other side ?
USA is not controlled by its government, but by its lobbyists. The same thing has been happening in Germany for at least 20 years. We also know which industrial sector does it.
I'm living in Germany.
It’s not that each doesn’t see the other’s prospective..it’s that one wants to “win” china just isn’t backing down because they have more power and the USA doesn’t like that.
totally agree. the only problem is USA want to keep in number one and China want live better.
This might be true however at this juncture I can’t separate Xi’s autocratic interests from China’s interests. The two may intersect but like most autocracies they are not necessarily one in the same.
@@BlackDoveNYC what is/are Xitler Winnie the Poo's autocratic interests, old kidd?? Care to share here?? How about United Satans of AmeriKKKa's hegemonic interests?? Hahaha.. hahaha.. hahaha..
Exactly 💯 just like two male bulls fighting for leadership of the herd😅
@@henrytan5707 in fact, China doesn't really want to become the leader of the herd, but the other one keeps pushing China to be subordinate, which is not acceptable to the Chinese!!
She is such an intelligent young Asian woman who is confident and brave to stand for the truth. 👏👍
I think this is a nice positivist approach that is going to make certain that trade relations between China and Africa will be guaranteed. Above all, Africans need skills, otherwise they like business. The West underdeveloped Africa on purpose hence why there is insecure men who turn to robbing
China wants to have a greater say in the global norms and order. The West characterizes this as "aggressive" because it's jealous and paranoid, and because it may undermine the West's global dominance ("rules-based international order").
But we need to remember that the West has been aggressive for decades, waging wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc., sanctioning countries that do not comply with US foreign policy, overthrowing foreign governments, even democratic ones! China does not do any of these things. China is not aggressive compared to the West.
China has just started.
Tell that to my brother-in-law whose fishing grounds were stolen. Tell that to the people of the Solomon Islands. Tell that to Tibet. Tell that to the Uighers.
You spout what-aboutisms that are patently false.
@@OakleyMoodie You're the one who's obviously talking nonsense
@@OakleyMoodie Nonsense. The Solomon Islands chose to cooperate with China. Tibet was part of China for centuries and the people there are happy. Western narratives of the Uighurs is propaganda bullshit.
You've been lied to and you've foolishly swallowed their lies.
@@OakleyMoodie Tell that to the Red Indian the N America native...tell that to the Iraq, Libya, Syria & Middle Eastern people, It work both way😂😂😂Who is righteous BS!!!?😉
If democracy is so good, why dont we apply it in geopolitical level. Why should a country like Indonesia have less say than the US in making the rules and norms.
Because the founding fathers of the US hated democracy. American/Western democracy is a big scam which they preached to the world in order to cause havoc to countries to better control the International System which they set up after WW2. Those countries who accepted and adapted accordingly are treated as allies and would benefit economically, while those that do not (the majority) are labelled authoritarian or even treated as an enemy.
Currently the US has a concentration of wealth that gives it excessive influence. But there has been a degradation of the electorate by right wing propaganda and their tax policy has incentivized moving wealth out of the country. Give it enough time and enough political power may dissipate to give others more say. Right now there is not much we can do about it.
@@daitauloable Are you seriously gonna wait for that 'give it enough time'? The US is a rapidly decaying empire.... crumbling infrastructure, the small top elites owning 60% of the country's wealth, the majority living paycheck to paycheck with hardly 500 dollars for contingency, gun violence in schools and on the streets, homeless living in tents and under the bridges ever growing, endemic racism, housing crisis....
Politicians on both sides are in the pockets of the same corporations, not least the Military Industrial Complex, which also control or in cahoots with the mainstream media, propagating warmongering, regime change and sanctions on other countries. It is certainly disconcerting for the US to go round preaching Democracy, Freedom and Human Rights when its own system of governance is a plutocracy. Do wake up and smell the coffee, if I indulge in some cliché here. As Ray Dalio the well known American billionaire investor wrote in his recent book, a new world order is coming as the old empire declines. The new century is in East. The Global South are rising.
@nmew6926. If the west so support democracy, then let other countries decide what form of government they want to have. they way it is, the west dictates (authoritarian) to other countries what form of government they should have. if they do not follow, they will be coup'd or color revolutioned.
US doesn't act democratically. It does preach it and use it against others
Keyu Jin is well articulated . She understands perspective from both sides. She needs more airtime and should be given a platform to share her knowledge.
She will not be given much space. Western media is not comfortable with balanced, logic-driven views.
Wow, Ms. Jin is one of the most clear speakers I have ever heard in my life. The way she fluidly connects a wide range of information is inspiring.
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"Different take on similar issues" - right, do you mean an autocracy as opposed to a democracy?
China remains an awful country to live in as a free citizen. The fact that this expert is unable to speak plainly and tell the truth tells us all we need to know.
I'm nervous for her. She should never go back to Shanghai. American journalists should not be encouraging her to talk. Haven't we been watching? One wrong word and you're arrested.
@Glenn Moonpatrol Her daddy is a big shot in the CCP. She has nothing to worry about.
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You guys are Hillbillies. Go travel and you might learn something. Cheers.
@@glennmoonpatrol8676 those are exactly the Western media driven myths and caricatures she is trying to dispel. You’re probably thinking of CNN or NYT reporters who are in China for the sole purpose of digging up the government’s dirty laundries.
“Democracy vs Autocracy” is a cute but nonsensical label. For example, Singapore is draconian in its autocratic governance but yet it is democratic. Vietnam is communist and autocratic but yet it is an US ally. Saudi Arabia has as best/worse human right records as any countries but yet gets its ass kissed by Anthony Blinken just last week.
She gives some great points. China for the last 50 years was focused on getting rich and feeding itself. Now that China has met these goals the country can focus on other things, like the environment. The environment is becoming more and more important. Also western ideas of success may not be what China wants, which I can 't blame them for that thought. America is very materialistic and has a a gun cultural.
Gun is to kill people. Therefore we should change this mentality.
"The tolerance of state"..., other cultures, she's basically restating the CCP's ""Democracy" and "Communism with Chinese Characteristics". Pol Pot had a similar saying. "Xi Jinping thought" and no jobs. No, everything is not "going according to plan", as Putin would say.
But Putin is saying that everything is going according to plan, you liar!
Appreciate the quality questions asked and the space given to healthy dialogue around global relations. Good to remind everyone to consider different points of view. If we can get past fear and seek understanding, tension will ease. True for individuals as well as nations.
President XI JINPING seems to want to takeover the Semiconductors that the world RELY on from TAIWAN. That's his TARGET and PURPOSE. And to use those Semiconductors to develop his AI to DOMINATE everyone in everywhere. To his will. His way of giving out infrastructure loans to low economic countries that he knows that they cannot pay back then they Default on that loan then Xi confiscates that infrastructure (ports fir example) then turns it into a military port/naval station or Xi's "Silk Road" projects that he'll dominate ALL to his advantage.
Keyu Jin is trying to give a different perspective of China development and its challenges. However, most US and western thinkers are of the opinion Xi and Chinese leaders are headed down the wrong path and potentially fall off the cliff. If this is so, then the US and western thinkers should let China be and not block its progress down the supposed "Clift". The most probably reason for such western noises is that China is probably showing comparatively better successes in the last 40 years and is likely to surpass the West with its "different development model". Instead of facing the reality and learn /adopt changes themselves, it chose to derail China to stay ahead. What a loss opportunity as it would have been better to cooperate and work together to solve common human threats such as climate change and pandemic. Just accept we are different and there are many models for success. To each its own so long as humanity as a whole make progress would be a better ideal to strive for.
The reason of the western thinking is due to China/Xi's aggressive postures and action, its coercive economic pressure, brazen wolf diplomat standdown, aggressive military actions
It was never easy for Western intellectuals/leaders to admit their deficiencies. They prefer war to solve their deficiency problem instead of compromising through peaceful negotiations for the benefit of all parties and Mankind as a whole.
well said
She never criticizes CCP.
She is talking the CCP points.
Every overseas Chinese is an Agebt for the CCP because they use the family as leverage against the person.
@@adamiskandar5107 yet China never want to negotiate or cooperate let along compromise. Just look at what they do over the years with red lines and wolf diplomacy , foreign domestic police station/agents globally, ramming and harassing neighboring countries in South East Asian sea, countless examples,...
To think that Western style democracy should be practised by all countries are simple-minded. One suit does not fit all.
We have no democracy in the West, almost as in China.
Ken Yujin has one foot in China and the other in the US. She has some good economical observations but either lacks the ability to sense the oppression that is smothering the people or she chooses not to say anything relating to lack of freedom and the brutal nature of the CCP.
Excellent analysis. It was a message of equals, not of reality. Almost like Chinese citizens get to pick their President.
I think she has one foot in the UK and one foot in the USA. She is a hypocrite, and she is never going back to China.
as professor Noam Chomsky states there's only one party in America, that's the business party(corporate America incognito), there's 2 factions under the one party rule(dems & gop), basically somewhat of the same policies, if that's not authoritarianism "I don't know what is, only it's in disguise, these are not my thoughts but rather Mr. CHOMSKY 'S but I agree with him. Psst, private enterprises are not accountable to the people
@Crypto Renegade Chomsky is just a leftist professor drawing a steady salary; he was very appealing to gullible young people with his edging contrartian view.
This part others have said a lot. She give us a different view to see Chian,
Thank you for a great interview. It is interesting and informative.
8:06 "one of the values of US a sort moral compass is that Liberties Free Press democracy" lmoa
Free Julian Assange .....
...Chan Guangcheng memoir, publication in mandarin for all Chinese in China.😁
that's just an advertisement aka propaganda.
Keyu Jin, you enjoy freedom of speech just because you are in a free society.
She reminds me of "Squealer" from Orwell's "Animal Farm". She can make you think black is white.
Interesting that the problem of an excess of industrial jobs not matching the surplus of college graduates in China is the opposite of that in the US where there seems to be a surplus of jobs requiring college education and not enough graduates to fill them
First, I think US has an education inflation problem. Too many got college degrees and taking courses that should have been addressed in high school education. So most businesses look down on those with only HS diploma. Second, I believe most opportunities in Mainland China remain in areas that don't need college degrees. This is partly can be blamed on the Chinese Communist Party. Entrepreneurs don't want to touch 'sensitive' areas that could draw government's involvement. Banking sector is practically government run. Create any great tech or software bounds to raise government's security concern. Because of the government's prickly behaviors, the odds of seeing companies like Nvidia, ServiceNow, Palo Alto Network rising from Mainland is slim.
Which problem is the better one to have? Obviously the China ccp regime's mismatch is more of a Socio-economic dilema than a problem. That regime now have to reduce their people's expectations and manage the potential backlash in an autocracy..
Easier to promote higher expectations than to quash hope among those who feel cheated in that context. 18:32
@@Waverlyduli I guess the United Satans of AmeriKKKa's model is the "best" in the whole universe!! High inflation and interest rates!! Working 3-4 jobs but cannot pay your bills!! Great, isn't it?? Hahaha.. hahaha.. hahaha.. Keep printing money to finance all your military bases!! Great model!! Hahaha.. hahaha.. hahaha..
Tend to have that when you can print money without the fear of insane inflation
@@stvdmc2011 Yes, it is, until it isn't or doesn't anymore!!!
Keyu is wow - clever, beautiful and learned. Love her Chinese-ness and also her internaltional-ness.
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Idk what to make of this. How do we parse what is said given what is known about how the CCP treats their citizens who says things about China that are not allowed?
Finally one person who has a balanced view 👍.... some sadly want to continue to think in the usual narrow narrative
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The interviewer is asking great questions. Unfortunately I don’t feel confident that the professor’s replies are addressing the questions.
Should have asked about provocative & illegal South China Sea policy. Also Taiwan "reunification by force" policy. US is allied with Japan, Australia, NZ,Vietnam, S Korea, India, NATO, Philippines & many more because this South China Sea policy cannot be made the law of the seas.
Yeah. Agree. In fairness to her, she has family in Beijing who will be at risk if she deviates from the party line. I really don't know why they ask a CN economist to pontificate on US-CN relations when what is at stake here is international law and the rather cynical approach the CCP takes to international agreements it signs.
Also forgot to ask about organ harvesting, and China's youth developing a "lying flat" and "let it rot" attitude.
As much as I like Christiane , disappointed she just soft-pedalled this interview.
there's no allies of American. there's only puppy. if you don't agree. then why Germany said nothing about the blowing up of the gas pipeline. and Japan said nothing about their women were Raped by American solders in Japan.
@@alanssshh And right on cue, the troll has appeared, pretending to be an independent free thinker. +100pts to your social credit score.
I teach Chinese language with humor and cute pictures.
Learn Chinese to get firsthand information about China. Life is all about perspective. The sinking of the Titanic was a miracle to the lobsters in the ship's kitchen.
Chinese characters still retain their pictographic origins. Knowing what the characters look like originally can help understand the meanings and remember them vividly.
I’ve spent about 100,000 hours studying English humor and Western culture, and many years studying Chinese culture and jokes. My native language is Chinese.
So Apt. Jokes and Buffoonery, until you gain your upper foot and start showing different characteristics (aggressive, hostile, and dangerous)!!!
Great questions, superb answers!
Has Jin been paying attention to what is going on in China? ...industrial areas emptying out as companies flee to more favorable countries, tofu dreg construction falling apart, people's bank balances simply disappearing and they have no recourse, people forced to continue making payments on apartments that will never be built, agricultural police harassing and robbing farmers, the average age of farmers getting old to the point where they may not have the labor to feed the country in years ahead. China may have made some impressive looking progress in the past few decades, but they took a lot of shortcuts and allowed a lot of corruption to get there. Now the bill is coming due, and it will be huge. They have massive challenges ahead and they would be better off being humble and making friends than being belligerent and rattling sabers with the other major powers.
It's not strange to chinese people to find strange things in china , since we have 1.4billion people, 9600000 square killo-meter. ,31 provices, 56 ethic, four sesaons in one single day. 林子大了什么鸟都有： There is every single kind of bird in a very huge forest. In your view, china is going to collapse since we have cancers. However, china is a huge country with a continent, which can ignore the cancer and rescue himself in enough long time.
@@luoroger-qm9sw In my view China has some major challenges ahead and they would be wise to look at issues honestly and make friends who might help them in the future. Creating mistrust and making enemies that might turn a cold shoulder when they need help makes them weaker and will lead to unnecessary suffering. Many millions of Chinese people are suffering right now. There is no benefit for the Chinese people in the CCP pretending it isn't so. The party trying to save face could cause a humanitarian crisis in China on the scale similar to what happened under Mao. Do you want that for China?
@@daitauloable Reading systematic history of china will help you understand china better. In chinese view, from Mao to Xi, every single leader of china has their own job to do for the future. It's easy to know from your comment that you know little about china. We got 1.4 billion people here in china, its our own bussiness to sovle any problems by ourself. BTW, there are no any people can help us, when consdering the number of 1.4billion .
@@luoroger-qm9sw Please give some examples of how "reading a systemic history of China" will help solve the current and coming problems. China has 1.4 billion people to feed. If the economy declines how many do feel it is ok to let die so that China can remain isolated and unaccountable?
@@daitauloable We are not isolated, we just isolated by usa in its media. We are the world factory.
Player knows player. Was born in a communist country and I can recognize PR from a mile away. Not saying she was wrong about everything, or explicitly lying, but she was incredibly well prepared, very well trained at dodging and dancing, and was very clearly delivering party lines without giving offense rather then giving a genuine interview
@@#Peace The Chinese Communist Party does it's best to crush independent thinkers. She sure talks like a political hack.
This is one of their ‘better’ efforts, if I’m honest. Even I’m impressed. She is the total package, for their intended brand of soft-power.
I 100% agree. I found it almost comical how they don’t talk about how state owned media and the complete filtering of information on the internet impacts the view of the Chinese. Additionally, the outrageous human rights history.
She's trying to stay in the middle ground and not be a demagogue to please just one side of the isle. A typical trade of an academic. She has the tamperament we need in dialogue/negotiation tables to get things done the peaceful, intellectual way.
That's why she is a renowed professor and you are a nobody.
What a smart lady . Also the interviewer’s questions where thoughtful and measured .
Jin Keyu's father is president of AII Bank and is deeply invested and indebted to the CCP. Despite her current address (London) her words are the words of the CCP and anything she says needs to be heard through this filter. She cherry picks statistics that cast the CCP in a positive light while denying any negative statistics.
Content, not membership !
Very correct, total CCP propaganda
Can the US allow China to take the throne of global hegemony and dilute the importance of the USD? I think not. Even though China does not have an overt objective to achieve both, it will nevertheless traverse that pathway to attaining both albeit inadvertently. I thought Yujin was being diplomatic in her response to this question by Walter Isaacson. The US does want to suppress China and it is not a mistake and they have openly expressed that.
U$ has openly declared war on China or at least threatening war on China if she dares to defend her own territory called Taiwan.
U$ absurdities is at an all time high.
RMB @2.75% in the world monetary reserve 😂 is hardly a threat to the status of USD. The lack of understanding of modern monetary systems and economics amongst the reigning politburo members in CCP or the mudslinging thereof is the key. US wants a trade partner thta follows the established WTO guidelines not abusing the system and take advantage of developing countries status.
@@charlestsai3708 the dedollarisation objective is defensive and harbours no primary intention to supplant the USD but to seek protection from it. The US does not seek partnership but servitude from all up and coming powers that may threaten its hegemonic position.
@@wayangpok The US does not seek partnership with China 🇨🇳? So why does US government support China entered WTO 2 decades ago ? Self- victimization is hardly an excuse for the 2nd largest economy in the world. A nation with a history of forfeiting will be perceived and responded accordingly.
@@charlestsai3708 which is why most people think amarikans are psychotic bunch, as you said, China is no threat to U$A, yet, U$ is ALWAYS talking about China, always wanting China to adopt its system of g0vt.
Y0u would think watching China collapse is like a wet dreams for U$ politicians right?? So why bother interfering in China's affairs let them sink.
Afterall all amarikan "experts" predicted China will collapse anytime now, just like they predicted RF will collapse very sooooooooooon. So chill out, and drink some more kool aid bro, everything is dandy.
This is the first time hear the name, a professor, gotta admit it's easy to understand what she talks about. At least she is neutral and independen enough seeing huge problem between US-China, because born in China study in US. Even the wise won't make quick judgement on such difficult conflict of interest.
The biggest problem with authoritarian governments is that the longer they are in power the more out of touch they become with the realities of their country. This happens because the penalties for telling leadership information they don’t want to hear become continually more severe. This leads to the leaders feeling too confident in bad ideas and everyone running around trying to make it seem like the bad ideas are working. We saw this in a big way with Mao and we are seeing it again with Ji. The current trend in China is to become more authoritarian and rigid. The government has shown a massive disconnect from the needs of the Chinese people. The question is, how much worse will it get before there is a reckoning that will lead to some sort of change? Then once there is a change will it be for the better or worse?
There are problems with all governments. It is not necessarily an issue of freedom. The biggest issues involve the question of whether the government is responsive to and can solve social ills. There are plenty of factors involved in this, whether the people have freedom may or may not make things better or worse.
Plenty of failures of government take place in democratic societies as well. There are plenty of places in the US where you can vote and vote and vote and somehow the problems never get solved and life never gets better. And there are a few dictatorship where they decide to listen to the people and pull a lever and things get solved just like that.
I agree strongly with this. This is the problem with almost all of Africa, especially my country, South Africa, right now. I think you nailed it.
@@sieteocho
The reason I think you're wrong is because the illusion of freedom and individualism keeps people from coalescing together and starting a revolution. Example: France vs. U.S.
France will riot if their government goes too far.
In the US, they debate because what benefits one may be perceived as an assault to the other. No one spends much energy on the government.
I think you have said more simply and clearly some of what I think on this issue of government/economics/freedom. I think the U.S. especially and other countries could learn much from the Chinese model and the Cuban model. China gives us insight from an industrialized and technolized model and Cuba from an under-developed model. Jin mentioned the advantage of China being able to enact policies quickly because of the authority of the leadership. This is a significant advantage and works better for all when wisdom and compassion is applied to it. Cuban society shows how resourceful/resilient people can be and/or that we generally speaking, don't need as much as it seems we are told we need to enjoy life. I don't know if a people exist anywhere who are aware of what many have in the world, while they have much less, but have as great a vigor for living. This vigor is reflected in their music, which may be the most diverse of any society. I have watched many documentaries about Cuban music and the people on the streets seem so full of the vigor of life. To me it one of many things that refutes the notion that many African-Americans express that "our people sell drugs to survive". Some of us have been saying this since the early 80's it seems to me. Mere survival is generally not much of an issue anywhere in the world. To say this equates our situation with the emaciated Africans we baby boomers use to see on TV on treks to find water, food, and shelter/refuge from drought/famine or war. Are not human weaknesses, failings, and personality the major causes of crime and violence? If it were simply social/economic conditions wouldn't most “poor” people exhibit this behavior? My biggest problem with Liberals and the ‘Left’ in general, especially the "woke" among us, is that we limit our idealism to government. We as a social/political fraction ask little to nothing in terms of idealism from the people. Among Black activist, it seems, to be critical of anything we do that adds to our problems, is to blame the victim. From my perspective humanity is due reparations for our historic inhumanity to one another. A just/fair global economic order/system would be like reparations for all of us. Capitalism - certainly the predatory and exploitative form it has generally taken, is of the linage of monarchies, imperialism, colonialism, and slavery. This is the original globalism and the worst form of it. I don't know if we are heading into or already in a "New World Order", but I'm convinced we do need a new ordering of the world and that can only happen by us first reordering ourselves in a positive way.
As a Chinese living across cultures online, I strongly support your argument, basically due to your widely-assumed expertise that is indeed a mixture of ignorance and arrogance invented in the closed American box.
Thank you for these views, Mrs. Jin.
Thank you for the enlightenment
Thank you for this interview. The media's job should be interviews like this one, promoting understanding, on a daily basis.
Instead, editorial boards routinely chose finger pointing, chest bumping and escalating tensions.
If there is a war, media will bear a large responsibility.
If they talk nicely and do not create controversy, people will not watch and click, and they will eventually lose their jobs.
Talking to a Chinese spy is so fun!!😊
You know what is permanent? The communist party's need for totalitarian power and the fundamental problem that represents for a society and economy. The zero covid policy was a disaster and it showed how even in that totalitarian govt. the people can rise up and demand change. But Ji will learn from that and tighten his grip.
The zero covid policy went a little long, but it wasn't a failure.
Who is Ji?
@@tomchen513 The pig.
@@billzander2875 I believe the virus ran wild after they ended the policy. So they imposed harsh quarantine with many negative outcomes for health and economy, then the people rise up and force regime to end harsh policy and virus runs thru the population. How is that not a failure? If they developed an effective vax maybe quarantine would’ve worked, but they didn’t, so it was def a failure
@@tomchen513 why don't you ask who "Xiden" is first? 😁😁
Recently a young Chinese stand up comedian was punished by ccp for telling a single joke about the Chinese military. I wonder how much this guest considered carefully her every word?
Trust me, she has considered every word. and every word is chosen to fit the agenda She’s been slotted into by the hilariously-hair-dyed-old-men in central Beijing
can i say usa military a joke like he did？
Fascinating. Enlightening. Her message is true; it needs getting out there. ❤
political model of liberalization in south korea, japan, taiwan was a success over previous dictatorships of those countries. this counters her accusation that liberalization is a failure.
A good government makes the conditions of the people better and better, not just better and better for the party, for the billionaires or for world dominance. Practical? What does practical mean? Making life better for all is a model for a good social contract for governments an their people. If China wants to be practical, it should facilitate a committee at the UN where leaders can discuss practical ways to feed more people, help more unemployed people eat, and give their kids a top notch education. It should make learning a very high priority and enlist professors to engage students in research project, statistics, and practical experiences doing medicine if they are interested in extending lives and in healing the sick. Feed everyone; facilitate safe shelter for everyone; educate everyone; heal the sick; give everyone preventive medical care; help the old to feel safe and offer care to them as needed. The needs are great. It's not that things are impossible. It's more that those with all the power, money and influence do not want to do what is best for everyone.
What are you prattling about! China is pragmatic... that's what Keyu meant. It means China is geared towards raising the living standards of its people, and its common prosperity engulf all, with just a very small percentage at the top echelon and ditto at the very bottom... the middle are the majority capturing all the wealth, spread out so there is common prosperity.
@@iwanagohome326 True. My chinese friend is only 30 year old and semi- retired.😆
Absolutely agree with ms. Jin. Cultural differences open the opportunity to erroneously interpret before knowing. But CCP's obsession with control results in a China with Communist characteristics......capitalism is a threat to any external control (corporations in America influence not only law but how Americans live).......no dissent however benign can be tolerated (it smacks of lawlessness - see Hong Kong)......bureaucrats run the day to day show (see how government workers in America reduce their productivity to the lowest level since productivity is never a measure).....bureaucrats run accosted enterprises of which they know nothing about let alone the expectation of innovation...on and on.
She does have family root with very high up Chinese officials.
So what?
@@iwanagohome326 So she has strong reasons to support the party line, even if it is bs.
But China has been a "rising nation" for decades. What is the benchmark to have arrived?
Only about 2 decades. Benchmark could be the GDP.
Things people should know about Keyu Jin:
-She is not 'world renowned', but she is an associate professor at London School of Economics, so of some repute.
-She is the daughter of Jin Liqun, former Vice Minister of Finance of the PRC, a man who has life-long career in the Chinese state. Currently the chairman of the Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, a relatively new bank set up by the PRC.
Her thesis can best be summed up with a Snoop Dogg quote: "Lodi Dodi, we likes The Party, we don't cause trouble, we don't bother nobody". But people would be best advised to pay attention to what China does, not what it says.
I wish you would take your own advice. You can ignore what China says since the original message is issued in Mandarin which I assume you could not read nor understand. Now pay attention to what China does!
@@adamiskandar5107 "which I assume you could not read nor understand". Why would you make such an assumption?
@@pjacobsen1000 Because you didn't use a Chinese name. If my assumption was wrong, I apologize.
@@adamiskandar5107 No need to apologize, but generally it's better to attack people's arguments than to attack their person/character.
Mind you, China has a right to follow its own path, as Ms. Jin points out, but I also have the right to critique that path. And you have the right to speak in favor of it.
@@pjacobsen1000 Did I attack your character? The reason I gave on the assumption I made, was it unreasonable?
A good and balanced assessment of the situation.
Well said.
There's no misunderstanding whatsoever ; the top dog wants to remain to be the top dog, and the hungry under dogs who have been hungry for years, now want to have a share. The top dog feels threatened.
Walter is a great interviewer! She said CCP is the ship in the sea of chinese people. That is totally not true. Can ships control the ocean? No. It’s actually the reverse. CCP is the ocean and it can drawn people who are the ships. She seems to give too much credit and understands CCP way too much. China tried to export its ideology abroad, but unsuccessfully therefore the impact is minimal. How can she not see that?! I don’t find her to be credible.
Thank you Professor . I am enjoying your book very much. Dr. Henry Kissinger said in an interview with Economist magazine in May that Donald Trump is responsible for the change between China and the United States because he wanted to look "tough". I resent what Trump has done and what Biden is doing. When I think about my 10 years plus of living in China, I think of a market economy and a people who very resourceful and creative about economic situations and accumulating wealth. But I found Chinese people not sure about democracy! But making money: Yes!
She does a wonderful job of giving the Chinese perspective on some things but equivocates on several issues. Communication isn’t happening because the Chinese won’t pick up the phone. Their exploits in the South China Sea are not just “interpreted” as aggressive; they directly violate international rules that the Chinese themselves signed. There need to be standards for behavior that aren’t just explained away by cultural differences.
Good points.
China won’t pick up the phone from President Joe because what the US administration says one thing but does another. Can’t understand why US which is surrounded by 900 miles of water and on the other side of the world is doing in the Indo Pacific region. Taiwan is three hours away from the Fujian province of Mainland China and yet the US seventh fleet is stationed around the strait of Taiwan . Why ? And US is not a member of theUNCLOS but interferes with affairs in that region ? Why?
China is not letting some pirate neighbor countries keeping any stolen property. China never signed their territory and sovereignty. Some low life neighbors of China attempting to use American muscle to steal from China but failed miserably.
Not true. The Chinese are ignoring the US side because they have made it very clear - talk is meaningless unless the US create the right conditions for dialogue.
@@slly4276 ny point is simple: they need to talk to avoid avoidable human error. That’s all. Refusing to talk as a kind of punishment for perceived wrongdoing is short sighted. The USA and the Soviet Union kept communication open during the Cold War, no matter how much they distrusted each other. It’s just good sense.
This was good. The gentleman had great questions and the lady had great answers. I wish they could have a part two. Taiwan and war. It’s the elephant in the room. War appears imminent everyday. Help us understand why. Core reasons!
China wants peaceful unification with Taiwan which is also in line with Taiwan's Constitution, but the current administration in Taiwan is pro independence. For a long time, both sides are fine with the status quo as China isn't in a hurry as they want to fortify their economy first and hope to win the hearts of their compatriots on the island with many economic incentives.
As part of the U.S.'s grand strategies to counter and contain China's rise, the U.S. seeks the opportunity to play the Taiwan card by exploiting the separatist movement and emboldening the separatists.
I don't need to go into details, you know the U.S. is renowned for instigating color revolutions and bringing down any government that does not follow the big brother.
But the U.S. is facing a formidable power, one that it hasn't seen before. The U.S. can no longer use the strategy it once used on smaller nations.
🇨🇳🇨🇳Harvard does miracles 🇨🇳🇨🇳Great answers to standard questions 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 8:22
Prof Jin should start speaking more on the international 'circuit'.
As an ethnic Chinese not born in China nor educated in the US, I clearly understand where Jin is coming from. Let's say.... genetically and culturally, Chinese tend to be pragmatic and not very rarely ideologically driven. USA tends to to be have messiah tendency whereas China is 'mind my own business and stick to business'.
Agree with you.
Every Chinese, ethnic Chinese, is an agent of the CCP and especially the elite like her who can afford Ivy League colleges.
We know that CCP uses the families back in China as leverage to get these people to do whatever they want to be done.
China has a border dispute with every neighbor and even those countries that are not neighbors like Japan. China built the South Sea Islands not USA. It is like the wolf calling the sheep wrong.
Whose "business" is Taiwan? Or Tibet, or the Uyghurs, or the citizens of Hong Cong? Should way ignore that?
@@live_free_or_perish pay a visit David. I just visited China for one month. Check out with your own eyes. Same folks told you all these about China, also lie to the world about Iraq war. Just think about it.
David, I can not change your perception which is like a religion. No one can.
Just go pay a visit and study history, US history or China history.
Use your brain Dude. How could a such evil government was able to double its GDP last 10 years ? Ask yourself this question. China GDP was $8 trillion 10 years ago, last year was $17 trillions. It is ok for you to see China as enemy, go to study your enemy with your own eyes. It worth the trip.
I am not even China citizen. I am able to do my own homework with the data from western, so can you. You can find almost any information about China from western data base. Be educated with data, not propergander.
good work
1:08 "A thief believes everybody steals."
Fan of Keyu here, from Singapore
I wish this guy lives in china to see the real situation over there... Those diverse opinions she talking about are being thrown to jail.
Good job👍👍
I'm a big fan of this lady, beautiful, intelligent, and above all, courageous, probably more than almost all overseas Chinese.
Americans and the west needs to understand this point: The Chinese people as a race did not originate naturally. The Han Chinese is an amalgamation of various tribes formed through the long history of war. The Han Chinese as a race was nearly wiped out at a point in time. With exception of a very small minority , war is hardly on the minds of the Chinese people. Even today China is a very diverse country with many other tribes such as the Dai, Bai etc. There are also still more than 100 million living in poverty, so China needs the economic growth. A billion mouths to feed is no joke. When one is hungry and struggling to survive, you think there is time to think about freedom & the right to vote?
If you do not know Chinese history enough, pls just stick to giving your opinions, ok?
@@adamiskandar5107 So why don't you educate me , a Southern Han Chinese who speaks a millennial old dialect in the lengthy history of my ancestral homeland?
@@doodlemecrzy8075 I was just using a bit of logic. If as you said the Han Chinese as a race was nearly wiped out, how was it possible that the Han Chinese forms the biggest population group in the world?
@@adamiskandar5107 You can read up on the War of the 8 Princes during the Western Jin Dynasty, followed by the Invasion of the Barbarians. My ancient ancestors ran from the wars to seek refuge in the wilder South. There are many migrations in ancient China that happened over 3000+ years there was a lot of hanky panky with both northern nomads & southern tribes , the Chinese today are so mixed that we are genetically different from the "original" people who lived by the Yellow River plains.
Solution is, leave people alone and they can grow their own crops and feed their families without government authorities breathing down their necks.
Its not the fault of the west that modern China is wallowing in poverty because its government has no solutions to the problem nor is the west interested in tackling Chinese specific problems.
The west has its own problems and it sure doesnt need China to find solutions for western specific problems, leave that to the west.
And
Economic growth does not mean prosperity for everyone, just the well highly educated and talented people, especially in China.
I have seen thriving Chinese villages that have livestock, agriculture and properly self build houses with some modern conveniences, they dont need anyone to tell them how to live.
Give that same freedom to the poor and they will build farms and agricultural crops to feed their families and problem solved.
This inst just a economic issue, it is simply to allow these people to do it themselves without any government interference.
Ms. Jin is an apologist for the CCP under the guise of "renowned economist". Anyone familiar with CGTN (CCP's English propaganda news outlet) can easily see that she is merely pushing the same talking points of CGTN embellished by professional jargons and smart-ass rhetoric.
Jin is the quintessential privileged offspring of the CCP power families. Her father is a super-rich inner player inside the CCP financing circle. She was sent to a top NY private Ivy prep school at age 14, then 10 years at Harvard, and the rest of her life at LSE in London.
Ms. Amanpour should have first disclosed Jin's family background for the audience to understand why she earnestly advocates for the CCP which she and her family draw wealth from.
There is a need for both Europe and the rest of those aligned with the west to position itself as an effective alternative to what China is pitching to the developing world, such as a bank and/or funder of country infrastructure development. As well, it MUST fully wean itself from any funding from China in any way, in terms of core financing.
Their development model (because of clear strings attached to their society) for countries is at complete odds with much of what matters to the core of human dignity, where protection of 'free-will' decision making and individual autotomy is a core value around which other aspirations are organized.
Great questions and answers. Sadly, this interview will not be seen or be compelling for the average Americans and western audience. Most will continue to see others being different from them as threats. Hopefully, China and the global south continue to move forward together and not let the US and its allies break them apart. The West is having some successes in doing so with certain developing countries.
There is a wide range of global issues that China & USA could/should work together on, but the ultimate sticking point is the future of Taiwan. Lobbing missiles into the Taiwan Strait does not reassure anyone that reunification would be peaceful and mutually beneficial. Chinese nationalists seem to prefer "eat the flesh and drink the blood" outcome.
well said by that wisdom Chinese lady.
What the survey showed is the Western brand of democracy is not preferred by Chinese from China on the balance of all other issues like security, safety and quality of life. West has over rated it's virtue
It is rather odd, that on the one hand U$ administration clearly hated the chinese and CPC, but on the other, they can't stop talking about China everywhere they go, you'd think they'd be happy to see China collapse right.
Why are they so keen for China to adopt their system of government is beyond me.
Not buying what she is trying to sell!
We all live in the same world which means regardless of what our biases and beliefs are in the end we have to share the same rock for ever.
@@petero9584 Really not feeling it for you either, Sorry! Maybe Japan has there beliefs as well.
She is a hypocrite. She lives in the west and loves it. But her rich daddy is a big ass at CCP.
@@stephenwise734 Japan has to bow and scrape to the Master, being the poodle lapdog that it is, after being defeated in the last war
@@iwanagohome326 They are and has always been formidable in everything they do. Your Loss
Definitely going to read professor Jin's book China Playbook.
The managers at the top of the governments need to be flexible and to gradually adopt universal values.
She is the 1st economist with assets from her brain & her beauty: This period of re-globalization will have good results. We just don't know which path will get us there. Path 1 get there by war. Path 2 get there through peace. Path 3 get there via new re-globalization system, where winners can change rapidly. Hope to hear from Jin again.
There is a Difference between " Shoot First and Talk After " and " Eat First and Talk After ".
What? Harvard PHD? Oh dear …
And a WEF associate. Corrupt
If us installed two radars in Taiwan, why can not China install radars in Cuba¿
What a bunch of BS! An interview about economics and the first thing he asks is about some non-existence Chinese base in Cuba! The US military has already said they are not aware of any such surveillance activity, but this guy wants to believe WSJ!
Our 750 military bases abroad in 80 countries have surveillance capabilities as well.
Another excuse for Blinken not to go to China. He knows he's not welcome when you come with a bad attitude.
smart lady!!
When you give up freedom for security you end up with neither.
America gave up freedom with the passage of the patriot act.
Old school CIA Coups in Iran (1953) Guatemala (1954) Congo (1960) Dominican Republic (1961) S Vietnam (1963) Brazil (1964) Chile (1973)
Daitaulo Sijisom
I am sure people in China do have freedom not like what you have led to believe.
@@allowedme You read my name and still assumed I knew nothing about China personally. Interesting.
You are probably a Chinese.
You probably know China.
But you don't have the Chinese wisdom.
You are a sell-out.
Stay where you are, and enjoy the western 'freedom', lol.
This lady can kick rocks
Just find out who is her daddy.
Notice that the interviewer did not talk of freedom of religion among western freedoms. Also interesting to have an almost to have an almost 20 minute interview and the words Communist Party only first feature after 16 minutes, though she did slip up and say, "the Party never changes'! Then all smiles that the CCP must 'answer to the vast majority of the people', though we know they never ask those people anything because it is a dictatorship. How much can the Chinese, even the technologically savvy young, know about the the world when there is no internet freedom, rather the world's most sophisticated and restrictive censorship? Notice the careful language, 'some preferences on the top imposed on the general public', tell that to the Tibetans, Uyghurs, Inner Mongolians, but, of course, the interviewer did not raise any issues to disturb the young lady's narrative.
Bingo. Shame on Armanpour. This interview casts suspicions that the Armanpour show is a paid to play platform. 👎
Idk why, i feel like this lady is snooty. Towards the people of the U.S. and towards the people of China. She call everyone "they" so its hard to tell who she's putting down and she keeps saying the opposite of the thing she just said. But i could be confusing who she is intending to say is lower than her and who NEEDS to understand what about who. Maybe its me.
Yup. It's you. So just stop confusing yourself
Don't think misunderstanding is the right word to use in this relationship
Professor Jin makes a knowledgeable and articulate case for the PRC as a successful economic model relative to its past history. However, her contention that young PRC citizens look around and don’t see a superior political model elsewhere in the world better than their own, is simply false. She has made this point during several recent interviews and each and every moderator has failed to follow-up by asking why they don’t look across the strait and see a vibrant democracy that is ethnically Chinese and has achieved far greater success in virtually every metric : Taiwan! Whether one is talking about personal income, personal and political freedom, quality of life, etc…Taiwan surpasses the PRC in every regard….follow-up questions should be asked when insufficient answers are given…..
Methinks she sounds like every Chinese BOT you see commenting online on similar topics! She had an agenda to deliver and her handlers must be so very proud!
Read that -- I'm not buying what propaganda she is selling... and you should not, either
I bet Lisa has good health coverage no worries for her 😊 I love socialism and watching from afar to see it taken to a new technical level. Cruel capitalism has not changed much in hundreds of years.
This is how deceptive the propaganda from CCP can be when delivered in perfect American accent
"Giant Germany" won´t happen without local governing. Germany´s strength is it´s middle-class-diversity-industry and services and China a about as far away from that approach as from Jupiter.
She is an intelligent and strong-mind person.
this whole social credit system and other systems to control and manipulate the Chinese populace makes people in the west super nervous, but to say well they prefer security and thus accepts this control...
The social score credit is completely BS. I have been to China no one cares and no one uses it. Its a stupid Western narrative like all the other stupid narratives the West pushes.
RIGHTLY SAID
"EVERYBODY SPIES ON EVERYBODY"
She is very smart and I appreciate the way she can see both sides of these issues, but I wish she were not so vague and generalized. I would like to hear more specific examples of her ideas and points
reset that’s why china sent armored vehicles to russia Blinken ok with it?
This lady is so smart and pretty.
When Jin points out that the Chinese government can react quickly to a given situation what we need to ask is will it act to protect the interest of the people or will it act to protect itself against the people who are losing their jobs and their life savings to corruption and bad decisions of the government. I wonder how much Jin has bought into the information bubble within China and how much of the dire issues China faces she is aware of.
Excellent question.🤔
I imagine she’s far more aware than you are, considering it’s her specialty.
Just look up who is Jin's daddy.
He is a super privileged member of the inner circle of CCP.
As a chinese, we take the goverment as father of a family ,which are different from the west value. As a chinese, we give the rights to our father to protect our safe from the criminals and invasion, to manage the country for prosperouse, etc. Chinese goverment solved a lot of reality problems in the past decades years. But not just promise the virture things like freedom and democracy without enough material base. As a normal people comparing to Jin, we know the situation here in china better than you, who can only blame us on the moral High Ground like a angel.
@@luoroger-qm9sw The virtue of freedom means that the people can criticize the actions/inactions of the government. This allows attention to be called to things cause harm or bring discord to the people. The virtue of democracy is that the people have some measure of authority over the government. The people can hold their leaders accountable. You can think of your leaders as parents but a leader who causes harm and discord among the people should be replaced. So maybe the metaphor is not so useful because you cannot replace your parents.
Keyu Jin - 👍
The USA just needs to economically decouple from the PRC, and the situation will improve greatly.
I think this lady is logical. Wars would not happen if human kinds are only logical.