I love following the Dark Aero Brothers videos. That plane is going to be a performer! All composite, very aerodynamic design, small, 200 hp. I definitely want to build one of these some day!
I fuxking love your videos you seem like such a genuine nice guy I remember when you accidentally got the wrong info about the evolution then deleted the video a day later then made an apology video to take accountability no one was mad and no one will ever be mad at someone who not only got a lot of people into flying but also actually helped them pass their private pilot license tests so thank you and we all love you
I guess that I just do not fully understand what the differences are between an Ultralight and a Light Sport, not to mention the performance limitations on the LSA planes imposed by the FAA. There used to be ceiling and top speed limits to the LSA class.
Well, the bristell is quite interesting. Not super powerful but it must be a lot lighter and smoother running than a piston. Now we just need that step to turbofan engine instead. That's a revolution.
The turboprop Bristell can't be certified as an LSA. The definition of light sport aircraft in FAR 1.1 only allows for a single reciprocating engine for the powerplant. This excludes everything else from jets and turboprops to Wankel rotary engines and even electric powerplants, though the FAA is looking to add electric motors to the LSA definition. The Bristell TurboProp, if it comes to the us as a production aircraft, will need to have a standard airworthiness certificate.
I'm following the DarkAero1, love watching their videos. I just wish people would make 2 seat aircraft with the ability to carry two adults comfortably side by side.. like a 48" wide cabin or something. We're not getting any slimmer
Aeroprakt A22LS Performance. 50" wide cabin, very easy entry and exit. Stall 35 Mph, Cruise 100-110 Mph, Empty Wt 680-740, Payload 600#. Order it with your choice of options. "STOL" but with good cruise and comfort. 100-400' takeoff roll search Aeroprakt USA- Do CZcams search aeroprakt a22 review this airplane has been around at least 10 years-very popular in Australia- originally called the Foxbat- see Foxbat Australia CZcams channel
I like your videos and I find them helpful too, the only thing I don't like is when you give speed in mph, while it should be given in knots; it's annoying to do the conversion all the time.
For a personal plane,,,,, the industry average in general aviation is 1.99 souls on board for flights. A two place is perfect! Speed, performance and economy.
We need more of your insight from these articles like these. Your articles are: Light Personal With insight on the history of each plane.... Question... is it possible to get an update on used versions Degree of ease of flying MPG There is SOOO much to learn. So Sincere Pardons for leaning in your bank of knowledge.... Again Many, Many Thanks
I love your channel because I love seeing all the newest airplanes coming down the pipe but, I hate “click bait”. You don’t need to do it. Your talent and content will get you plenty of views.
Good job on the descriptions. Must be a little skeptical on turbine “Light Sport” even in EAB category. There have been several tries for the light end of aviation spectrum, remember the RV-4 that had one about 15 years ago? It’s somewhere in the clouds looking for a place to land. . .
I've been watching your videos for a while it's very interesting and it's open my eyes to how inexpensive it is to own an airplane thank you so much for all your videos.
Wassa friend. Ima big fan of your video my name is Fabio from Brazil 🇧🇷. Make one with the best planes from my country avaliable in US costumers please. Thats a good list of opinions 👌 Best regards bud
Nice video Mike! Where are you located? I’m an A&P mechanic and specializes on airframe and structures. I have been doing this since I was 18yrs old and I’m 64 now. I was amazed by your video building the experimental plane. I want to do it for costumers.
Another well done video, Mike. Fantastic job on the research. You always manage to fit a lot of great information into your videos in a clear and concise way.
The Dark Aero is a self built experimental. Most people who buy the kits never finish them. In fact, they don't even get close. Experimental planes also have legal limitations, and good luck getting insurance on one. The Diamond is a certified production aircraft. You can do it all with the Diamond. It's certified for known icing when properly equipped, and you can charter it or run it commercially. That's on top of burning jet fuel while the Dark Aero and the Pipistrel use AvGas. The Pipistrel is on its way to certification, but is still a long ways off.
@@Maniac742 it’s easy to get insurance on an experimental, what shit are you spewing? And what right minded person would ever buy a single engine recip that costs more than a million. What fucking retards! If you commit to building an experimental it will get done.
I will go to my grave dreaming of aircraft like this. I’ve followed various developments in experimental aircraft over the last 50 years and right now is an amazing time to be alive. Go turbines!
The Panthera being experimental means you can use an automotive engine. A 1.9 TDI would burn 5 gph whereas it's gas counterpart burns 10 gph. If you fly internationally? It means your fuel costs will be significantly lower while giving you almost double the range.
Keep the content coming Mike, also would you try and locate a Commander-115TC , I use to be in contact with a sales person, but she moved to Florida and simply disappeared, your help will be appreciated! Call Sign (VIPER).
Some of us mere mortals might be lucky enough to gain access to one of these through local flying clubs. Owning any of them is out of the question for me, though.
I really just don’t understand why you and so many others overlook velocity in these sorts of lists. Why is that? Velocity aircraft outperform every aircraft in this list in every single way apart from landing speed (at least on paper and according to owners). 250ktas cruise single engine getting over 17mpg!!
Love your videos ! I have a question why have private planes been consuming 5-10 gallons of fuel an hour since 1940's . What is point the of buying a new airplane if new planes aren't any better for consuming fuel ?
Wait...the Panthera is going to give us over 200 kts. cruise with 4 people on 10 gph feeding an IO-540 260 hp? So about a 55% cruise at 2,200 RPM produces over 200 kts. (230 mph) of true airspeed at altitude, if what I am seeing in Lycoming's specific-fuel-flow data is correct? What should we see at full power / 75% in that case?
Panthera vs DA-50 ? No way the Sling-4 highwing will do 145 TAS with a 141hp engine. Not even the tailwheel version. Sling is great, but they basically lie about their cruisings speeds. I've done most training in a Sling-2. It does NOT cruise at their boasted 120 TAS. 105 TAS at best. Even the DA-40 with the more aerodynamic low-wing gets 145 TAS with a 168 or 180hp engine, and riverless body and wings. The high-wing Sling will cruise at like 120 TAS. Also, I don't get LSAs in the $300k+ category. If you've that kind of money, why can't you just get a PPL and get rid of A LOT of restrictions?
Now that Uber is a thing people should just have private planes for all their travel If you do the math on some of the stats he lists in the video these things are getting like 23 miles to the gallon but they go as the crow flies.. and three times faster than your car. So if you can get places in a third of the time with the equivalent gas miles your car gets..... I remember doing the math on some of the pipestral planes and they were getting like 35 to the gallon because of their more efficient glide. Although not as fast as these planes. But 35 mi to the gallon and as the crow flies and at least twice as fast as your car would get you there.. it's kind of getting to the point where we should just travel by air LOL
I would recommend that the fastest way to get flying would be to get light sport first. Once you get sport, the hours carry over for PPL. You can fly all over the country and knock out the remaining requirements for PPL. You take a flight to Florida, that's your long cross country for PPL. While others are still waiting for their instructors schedule, you will be out flying and enjoying aviation and still working toward the PPL.
The Panthera is a non starter...it is STILL not certified and as a retractable will not be able to compete against its main competition, the Cirrus SR22 (not the 22T which is faster and flys further). Slings are good products, but are kit planes. The DA50 RG is out now...it is a nice single engine plane but WAY too expensive at $1.15m for a plane that is set to compete against the Cirrus SR22T, burning Jet-A but has no chute and is a retractable also making it uninsurable. The Bristell TURBO, not TURBOPROP (dude you need to learn the terms...a turboprop is a TURBINE, JET-PROP plane). The 915is FADEC controlled, fuel-injected turbo Rotax engine in the Bristell is nice, and it can be found in a dozen other planes. Including the VANS S-21 for example.
Why are you saying as if RG is a drawback? The panthera is half the cost of the SR-22T and boasts a higher speed (while is likely exaggerated, but I fully expect 180 TAS cruise from the Panthera). The Panthera is basically a 4-seat DA-50 but, hopefully, for half the price. And the Bristell Turboprop is exactly that - a Turboprop, with a turbine as the powerplant. NOT a turbocharged piston engine. Thought it'd be obvious by the look of the engine without the cowlings ;-)
@@suzukirider9030 Do you own an aircraft? Do you pay aviation insurance on one? I bet not. Otherwise you would understand the point. Also, the current fully loaded price of an SR22T is $980k. The fully loaded Panthera (which is STILL not being produced under certification) is $680k. The Panthera has no de-icing btw...the SR22T does have it. The Panther has 55 gallon tank, the SR22T 92 gallons. The Panthera cruises at 194kts, the SR22T 200kts.
@@speedomars No, I'm a renter... Aviation insurance for RG goes way up? Well, a bummer... but that only reinforces my belief that lawyers are a main drawback of avaition, not having RG :-| The SR22T really cruises at 200 TAS? At what altitude?
The panthera 😲🤯
I love following the Dark Aero Brothers videos.
That plane is going to be a performer!
All composite, very aerodynamic design, small, 200 hp.
I definitely want to build one of these some day!
The DarkAero will be fast and in kit form will sell.
Pantera and DA50 ❤️
Funy fact: both companies are not more than 300 miles apart
That diamond DA 50 is mighty fine looking aircraft. The panthera interior is so sleek
That DA 50 tho!
They really put some paint on that thing, its got to be an option it looks so good.
Doesn’t fit in a standard T hangar, wings too wide. 700 grand airplane that has to sit outside, just dumb.
@@tropicthndr those who have one and can a ford one will surely have the money to have a bigger hangar
YES
My condition is unfortunate :
Champagne taste ... beer budget.
That DA 50 in blue and silver... looks amazing. Would be happy with any of these.
Dark Arrow is going to be amazing.
Love the color and look of the DA50.
I’d love the Honda elite but these get me excited about props
Dark aero looks futuristic.
I fuxking love your videos you seem like such a genuine nice guy I remember when you accidentally got the wrong info about the evolution then deleted the video a day later then made an apology video to take accountability no one was mad and no one will ever be mad at someone who not only got a lot of people into flying but also actually helped them pass their private pilot license tests so thank you and we all love you
Also who disliked this man don’t deserve one dislike
Dark Arrow 1 a beautiful looker.
Hermosuras !!!! Gracias por compartir !!!
I guess that I just do not fully understand what the differences are between an Ultralight and a Light Sport, not to mention the performance limitations on the LSA planes imposed by the FAA. There used to be ceiling and top speed limits to the LSA class.
I like the Diamond most, then the turbopropeller.
and hear i am happy that luscombe is starting to build model 8 again as a lsa.
Well, the bristell is quite interesting. Not super powerful but it must be a lot lighter and smoother running than a piston. Now we just need that step to turbofan engine instead. That's a revolution.
The turboprop Bristell can't be certified as an LSA. The definition of light sport aircraft in FAR 1.1 only allows for a single reciprocating engine for the powerplant. This excludes everything else from jets and turboprops to Wankel rotary engines and even electric powerplants, though the FAA is looking to add electric motors to the LSA definition. The Bristell TurboProp, if it comes to the us as a production aircraft, will need to have a standard airworthiness certificate.
I'm following the DarkAero1, love watching their videos. I just wish people would make 2 seat aircraft with the ability to carry two adults comfortably side by side.. like a 48" wide cabin or something. We're not getting any slimmer
Bristell 51”
Aeroprakt A22LS Performance. 50" wide cabin, very easy entry and exit. Stall 35 Mph, Cruise 100-110 Mph, Empty Wt 680-740, Payload 600#. Order it with your choice of options. "STOL" but with good cruise and comfort. 100-400' takeoff roll search Aeroprakt USA- Do CZcams search aeroprakt a22 review
this airplane has been around at least 10 years-very popular in Australia- originally called the Foxbat- see Foxbat Australia CZcams channel
Awesomr video! I'm drooling over the diamond, but the price on all these is keeping me in my old TR182. It's almost as fast, but not as sexy.
I'll buy, built & fly the Dark Aero 1.
I like your videos and I find them helpful too, the only thing I don't like is when you give speed in mph, while it should be given in knots; it's annoying to do the conversion all the time.
For a personal plane,,,,, the industry average in general aviation is 1.99 souls on board for flights. A two place is perfect! Speed, performance and economy.
The Dark Aero 1 looks amazing.
We need more of your insight from these articles like these. Your articles are:
Light
Personal
With insight on the history of each plane....
Question... is it possible to get an update on used versions
Degree of ease of flying
MPG
There is SOOO much to learn. So Sincere Pardons for leaning in your bank of knowledge....
Again Many, Many Thanks
Rotax is testing their 231HP 918IS😳
I love your channel because I love seeing all the newest airplanes coming down the pipe but, I hate “click bait”. You don’t need to do it. Your talent and content will get you plenty of views.
if you could....you should get in contact with Bearhawk, and do a flight review with the model 5!
Wow the cost of new aircraft is really out of reach of the average person... Its too bad as they have such great features and performance.
i doubt the people that buy these are your regular everyday pilots, but yeah its a shame.
Like the new pace of the video. The content is very good as usual.
Mojogrip to a million!
Good job on the descriptions. Must be a little skeptical on turbine “Light Sport” even in EAB category. There have been several tries for the light end of aviation spectrum, remember the RV-4 that had one about 15 years ago? It’s somewhere in the clouds looking for a place to land. . .
(VL3 Evolution) missed out on this one? Would have put that one in here instead of the DA50 which doesn’t even fit in a standard T hangar.
If you can afford it, you won’t have a standard t hanger.
Mike, another great video! I love your Sling also and wish I could afford one
love your videos Mike! ;-)
I've been watching your videos for a while it's very interesting and it's open my eyes to how inexpensive it is to own an airplane thank you so much for all your videos.
I would not call it inexpensive perse, more like attainable than what most people would think.
Fun stuff Mike! Thx.
love these videos... thank you a bunch
Wassa friend. Ima big fan of your video my name is Fabio from Brazil 🇧🇷. Make one with the best planes from my country avaliable in US costumers please. Thats a good list of opinions 👌 Best regards bud
Hello Mike,
Can you pls make more videos about Bristell?
The high wing...
Thanj you
Dark aero is the one and only plane I want.
What is the plane in the preview photo? Looks like a variation of the quickie
It's a Click Bait 5000. Much superior to the 4000 model.
The Bristel TP is a interesting Plane
These updates are greatly appreciated. I think the highly-anticipated 2-place Sonex Subsonex Jet is also coming soon, with a very good price.
Nice video Mike! Where are you located? I’m an A&P mechanic and specializes on airframe and structures. I have been doing this since I was 18yrs old and I’m 64 now. I was amazed by your video building the experimental plane. I want to do it for costumers.
@MojoGrip
Hi Mike !
Check the Black Wing,
From Sweden.
I'm an aviation noob.
I just want stable and safe.
Thinking about the Sling High Wing until I can afford a used Diamond.
Another well done video, Mike. Fantastic job on the research. You always manage to fit a lot of great information into your videos in a clear and concise way.
Make more of these
Отлично! Спасибо за список и видео представление летательных аппаратов:)...
Problem with all of these is they are not affordable at all
Good job Mike. I feel badly for Diamond and for Pipistrel, those prices are a positively projected fail. The Dark Aero is the real bang for the buck!
The Dark Aero is a self built experimental. Most people who buy the kits never finish them. In fact, they don't even get close. Experimental planes also have legal limitations, and good luck getting insurance on one. The Diamond is a certified production aircraft. You can do it all with the Diamond. It's certified for known icing when properly equipped, and you can charter it or run it commercially. That's on top of burning jet fuel while the Dark Aero and the Pipistrel use AvGas. The Pipistrel is on its way to certification, but is still a long ways off.
@@Maniac742 it’s easy to get insurance on an experimental, what shit are you spewing? And what right minded person would ever buy a single engine recip that costs more than a million. What fucking retards! If you commit to building an experimental it will get done.
Great video content Mike. I would like to see some Dick Rutan designed airplanes.
I'm new to flying and what is really the difference between an experimental aircraft and a regular aircraft.
Hello! Mike were you able to fly the velocity? If so, what are your thoughts? It seems to be an interesting aircraft.
Think a turboprop automatically disqualifies LSA regardless of numbers
thanks for following the new planes, Mike. GOD Bless
I will go to my grave dreaming of aircraft like this. I’ve followed various developments in experimental aircraft over the last 50 years and right now is an amazing time to be alive. Go turbines!
What is that plane in the thumbnail?
The Panthera being experimental means you can use an automotive engine. A 1.9 TDI would burn 5 gph whereas it's gas counterpart burns 10 gph. If you fly internationally? It means your fuel costs will be significantly lower while giving you almost double the range.
Adding the turboprop will increase the price by a truck load , not a bit more.
Very Nice planes
You're insane if you think a turboprop Bristell will qualify as an LSA
Fantastic video, amazing planes.
Great presentation. Off to sun and fun FLA! C u there
Could you make a video about the Beechcraft Duke?
ON WHICH SITES DO YOU BUY YOUR AIRCRAFT
Turboprop are likely reliable than piston.
Keep the content coming Mike, also would you try and locate a Commander-115TC , I use to be in contact with a sales person, but she moved to Florida and simply disappeared, your help will be appreciated! Call Sign (VIPER).
Dunno who your target audience is, but I'm definitely not able to buy one this year!
Ditto!
:-)
Some of us mere mortals might be lucky enough to gain access to one of these through local flying clubs. Owning any of them is out of the question for me, though.
Dark aero 01 and 1800 miles rang for $200,000... are you sure?🤔
PANTHERA!!!!!
I really just don’t understand why you and so many others overlook velocity in these sorts of lists. Why is that? Velocity aircraft outperform every aircraft in this list in every single way apart from landing speed (at least on paper and according to owners). 250ktas cruise single engine getting over 17mpg!!
What plane is featured on your video thumbnail?
What is that airplane in your thumbnail? Is that a biplane?
Thanks Mike
Love your videos ! I have a question why have private planes been consuming 5-10 gallons of fuel an hour since 1940's . What is point the of buying a new airplane if new planes aren't any better for consuming fuel ?
I wonder if power has been increasing even if the engines are smaller compared to something from the 1940s.
What’s the plane in the thumbnail then ?
Wait...the Panthera is going to give us over 200 kts. cruise with 4 people on 10 gph feeding an IO-540 260 hp? So about a 55% cruise at 2,200 RPM produces over 200 kts. (230 mph) of true airspeed at altitude, if what I am seeing in Lycoming's specific-fuel-flow data is correct? What should we see at full power / 75% in that case?
Probably 200 TAS at 75%. I don't see it doing 200 TAS at 55%. Not with the IO-540
Thanks Mike.
Good video
I clicked to see the staggerwing biplane in the thumbnail. Clickbait=thumbs down.
Why in the title is buy vs expect in the video?
You can buy an experimental aircraft fully built that is not a light sport..?
Any hints about gliders& motor gliders !?!
Pipistrel's other aircraft are basically motor gliders. I'd expect the Panthera to have like 15:1 glide, too
Panthera vs DA-50 ?
No way the Sling-4 highwing will do 145 TAS with a 141hp engine. Not even the tailwheel version.
Sling is great, but they basically lie about their cruisings speeds. I've done most training in a Sling-2. It does NOT cruise at their boasted 120 TAS. 105 TAS at best.
Even the DA-40 with the more aerodynamic low-wing gets 145 TAS with a 168 or 180hp engine, and riverless body and wings.
The high-wing Sling will cruise at like 120 TAS.
Also, I don't get LSAs in the $300k+ category. If you've that kind of money, why can't you just get a PPL and get rid of A LOT of restrictions?
Now that Uber is a thing people should just have private planes for all their travel
If you do the math on some of the stats he lists in the video these things are getting like 23 miles to the gallon but they go as the crow flies.. and three times faster than your car.
So if you can get places in a third of the time with the equivalent gas miles your car gets.....
I remember doing the math on some of the pipestral planes and they were getting like 35 to the gallon because of their more efficient glide. Although not as fast as these planes.
But 35 mi to the gallon and as the crow flies and at least twice as fast as your car would get you there.. it's kind of getting to the point where we should just travel by air LOL
What’s the thumbnail airplane, just a mash up?
What is the plane on the thumbnail? Or is that just art?
It's a "Swiss Excellence Risen"
Very Nice!
Nice 👍🏻
Flight Design f2 / f4
$650k for the Panthera?
Absolutely Preposterous!!
Hm? Why? Sounds about right. Similar price range for a new DA-40
yes more like this video.
Dope!
I think the best way to get PPL is to buy small airplane . what do you think the best choice with less than 80,000 USD ?
I would recommend that the fastest way to get flying would be to get light sport first. Once you get sport, the hours carry over for PPL. You can fly all over the country and knock out the remaining requirements for PPL. You take a flight to Florida, that's your long cross country for PPL. While others are still waiting for their instructors schedule, you will be out flying and enjoying aviation and still working toward the PPL.
I can only buy a paper airplane, have no money :)
Dark aero 1
unfortunately so expensive :(
The Panthera is a non starter...it is STILL not certified and as a retractable will not be able to compete against its main competition, the Cirrus SR22 (not the 22T which is faster and flys further). Slings are good products, but are kit planes. The DA50 RG is out now...it is a nice single engine plane but WAY too expensive at $1.15m for a plane that is set to compete against the Cirrus SR22T, burning Jet-A but has no chute and is a retractable also making it uninsurable. The Bristell TURBO, not TURBOPROP (dude you need to learn the terms...a turboprop is a TURBINE, JET-PROP plane). The 915is FADEC controlled, fuel-injected turbo Rotax engine in the Bristell is nice, and it can be found in a dozen other planes. Including the VANS S-21 for example.
Why are you saying as if RG is a drawback? The panthera is half the cost of the SR-22T and boasts a higher speed (while is likely exaggerated, but I fully expect 180 TAS cruise from the Panthera).
The Panthera is basically a 4-seat DA-50 but, hopefully, for half the price.
And the Bristell Turboprop is exactly that - a Turboprop, with a turbine as the powerplant. NOT a turbocharged piston engine. Thought it'd be obvious by the look of the engine without the cowlings ;-)
@@suzukirider9030 Do you own an aircraft? Do you pay aviation insurance on one? I bet not. Otherwise you would understand the point. Also, the current fully loaded price of an SR22T is $980k. The fully loaded Panthera (which is STILL not being produced under certification) is $680k. The Panthera has no de-icing btw...the SR22T does have it. The Panther has 55 gallon tank, the SR22T 92 gallons. The Panthera cruises at 194kts, the SR22T 200kts.
@@speedomars No, I'm a renter... Aviation insurance for RG goes way up? Well, a bummer... but that only reinforces my belief that lawyers are a main drawback of avaition, not having RG :-|
The SR22T really cruises at 200 TAS? At what altitude?