Breen Imperium Lore | Star Trek Discovery S5E07 Review
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Star Trek Discovery season 5, episode 7, Erigah review and lore breakdown on the Breen. We get to see a lot of them this episode, learning about their factions, some recent history and the reason for the frosty refrigeration suits they favour. Let's break down this episode and take a look!
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While I understand some peoples reluctance to know more about Breen culture as the mystery can be a fun aspect that allows for speculation and an underlying creepiness to their existence it is nice to get a new well structured enemy threat that isnt just 'the Klingons... again' or 'the Dominion... again' or 'the Borg... again' but also isnt just 'faceless undeveloped enemy number 456'
@@DocFunkensteinAnd yet, still vastly more entertaining than people like you whining and moaning about a show you profess to hate, but ostensibly still watch. Pathetic.
@@DocFunkenstein 1)The universe is imense, so having something like the Spore Drive is interesting, once it opens the possibility of intergalactic travel; 2) there is absolutely nothing wrong about Spock having an adopted sister, once TOS never told us more about Spock's life and family, opening space for more details about it; 3) What is wrong with the Discovery being the more advanced ship of Starfleet (back in the 22xx)? Did you stopped to think that the Spore Drive counts in that "most advanced ship of Starfleet"?
And all that BS about the burn being caused by a crying baby was really infuriating! I think that it's about time to Star Trek to finally come to an end.
@@DocFunkenstein Moronic? Why? And once again... it was not you the one saying this show sucks? Why you are defending it now? Star Trek is boring. It's outdated, overexhausted, waste time using useless technobabble instead of, you know, some serious science... Ths stupid show gave everything it could. It's about time to it to end. We don't need more Star Trek trash.
And please, stop liking you own comments, ok? That is ridiculous.
Funny how the computer is ALWAYS done running a scan or checking on something _exactly_ when two people are done discussing something...
Computer finished the scan almost immediatly, but the AI understands that humans like to talk so it waits for them to be at a good stopping point the interjects the findings. =)
@@Duskrequim Does it have an "finger tapping" animation it displays when it wants to say something?
@@Duskrequimruns on the same subroutine the doors do
@@Soguweand the doors always malfunction
The Breen also invaded Brekka in the 2380s, in Lower Decks.
lower decks will not be considered cannon
@@realplonk it isn't? Where does it say that?
@realplonk Many fans considered Lower Decks to be _More_ canon than Discovery, so this is just sad.
@@realplonk it is 100% cannon. Just stop.
@@realplonk Nobody cares what you think, fool!
But the real important question: Is Harry Kim still an ensign in the 32nd century?
Great video, Ric. Enjoying all your episode reviews as always.
Remember in DS9 when everyone regarded Major Kira as an ass-hole toward Cardassians simply to be an asshole? Yeah, I don't either. Rayner had his entire family murdered and his homeworld devastated by the Breen in a (presumably) similar, if not identical, fashion. But oh no, Rayner's the bad guy for still being a wee bit pissed about that. 🤣
She was a woman. Woman can more. Right?
Is there any good man in this series?
Remember when we had good episodes like duet to explore that trauma and prejudice.
🖐️ Yeah, literally every early episode with Gul Dukat, where Kira goes off on him (rightly so) and Sisko has to pull her aside and say, "We gotta be diplomatic here."
And Rayner is not the "bad guy." His insight into the Breen is what allows Fed HQ to stay not-blown-up, and Burnham thanks him for it.
Could the “took over a city…” be referring to the breen incursion from lower decks where the Texas class ships came in to rescue the Cerritos?
I thought this, but as far as we know, Brekka was not a Federation world
I quite like the new Breen outfits this season.
Same
I still don't understand what makes the Progenitor's technology to create life so desirable. Did they forget thay they've had the Genesis Device since the 22nd century? The Genesis Device can give life to an entire planet. Heck, it can make an entire planet out of a nebula. And the Genesis effect can resurrect the dead like it did with Spock.
Also, plenty of races already have super advanced genetic engineering. The Dominion can genetically engineer Jem'Hadars who don't need to eat, drink, or sleep and get everything from Ketracel White. They can clone Vortas and transfer their memories into clones. And they could do that hundreds of years before this season of Discovery.
You would think that the Federation would have been able to develop that kind of technology on their own over hundreds of years.
My theory is the tech is actually some kind of massive dispersal method in addition to DNA and life altering stuff. After all the Progenitors seeded the humanoid form on millions of worlds all across the galaxy. Personally I'm thinking the Mycelial Network.
@@DocFunkenstein That's a big problem with the writing. They treat science and technology like it's magic. Technology can be lost like it's some kind of magical artifact. Like how it makes no sense that they couldn't develop the spore drive even after hundreds of years. Every ship in the Federation should have a spore driver after the Burn. All the problems they had with the spore drive technology in the 22nd century should be ironed out after 800 years.
@@CertifiablyIngame The Progenitors could have been around for millions or even billions of years. They could have just traveled to different planets by ship to seed life. Or they could have made self replicating robot ships, von Neumann probes, to seed life. It wouldn't have necessarily required technology more advanced than what the Federation could build by themselves. In the 31st century, Starfleet ships can easily cross the galaxy even without the spore drive. Before the Burn, the Federation would have had the resources to seed a galaxy with life.
@@KingOfMadCowsClarke's Third Law. _Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic._ _Discovery_ is 1200 years on from our present. If their science *didn't* seem as magical to us as GPS satellites, video calling and large language models would seem to an 8th-12th century scholar, like, say, Maimonides, I'd call BS.
@@KingOfMadCowsthey hammered out all the reasons why they couldn’t perfect the spore drive. For one, they would need to rely on a sentient creature or person that can communicate with the spores and navigate the mycelium network. There are established laws against this. Having a Tardigrade is animal cruelty. Genetic enhancements like what Staments did to himself is against their augmentation laws. What season 1 showed us, was that people get away with a lot during wartime, which is how Staments’s own enhancements were swept under the rug. A Kwejian could access the network but they nipped that in the bud by destroying the planet and making them an endangered species in the following season. Again, I don’t think they’re going to want to rely on one or two people of an endangered race. Hence the navigation problems Staments mentioned in the first episode of season 5, there is still no way to use the spore drive humanly by Federation standards.
Well, STO will have a new promo ship to sell.
Another Jumungous starship.
@@thelaconist8801
Yeah, that Dread is massive. Makes me wonder what happened to Starfleet's Universe class, or ships of that size. Also, why is their starbase so small?
okay so we're all going to agree The Burn storyline didn't happen. The Breen totally built a borg cube crusher after all their non-black-hole drives blew up in the Burn. I also think the third and last Indiana Jones Movie before the fridge was the best. There are four lights.
"New Breen lore drop!"
Me: Are they wolves?
"No."
Me: NVM I'm good.
This may not be the right place to ask, but does anyone know the URL to the video that talks about damage in Star Trek and "ROCKS! ROCKS! ROCKS!!". I've been looking everywhere and I can't find it 😭
I prefer the novelisation concept of the Breen as a culture instead of a specific species.
Caught this quick. Love your content 👍
They're going to bring him back to live with space magic. Watch.
@@DocFunkenstein no 💩🤣
The funny thing is that there are already lots of ways to cheat death in Star Trek. They could download someone's mind into an android or a clone. The Genesis Device can bring people back. The Borg can resurrect recently killed drones with nanites, so they can preserve someone in stasis or the transporter until they get the nanites.
Did I miss Cmdr Nhan breathing apparatus? Also what’s happened to the original bridge crew of Discovery?
The last time we saw her, she had a fancy new 31st century version that smaller and possibly an implant? Can't recall exactly but it was briefly mentioned.
@@geleto2 thanks I must have missed the mention. How about the crew of Discovery they’ve been MIA all but first 2 episodes. I figure at the end, Rayner takes command and this becomes his crew but still missing the OG’s
@@DocFunkenstein It was a bit silly that they had so many Lt. Cmdrs on Discovery's bridge. Rhys (Tactical) is still there and appears to be second officer and Linus has been there since S2. Detmer and Owosekun were supposed to be part of the crew but it was mentioned they were given a mission to take the ISS Enterprise back to Federation HQ. I don't think we will see them the rest of the season.
My only complaint about the Breen reveal is the two faces and gel-like bodies. It simply doesn't work for macro-organisms or with the risks in their natural environment during their evolution.
@@DocFunkenstein Star Trek writers in general have been pretty weak in various sciences, but evolution is where they really need to work on it.
Wasn’t Zora a Library of knowledge?
@@DocFunkenstein so why they are searching for another library?
@@DocFunkensteinThe book was also written in the 24th century, during Discovery's time jump.
Honestly, kinda bothered me that they'd ask Reno, "Hey, have you heard of a book whose author's mother hadn't even been born yet while you were a book smuggler," but I actually find that to be fairly in-character-I know that once a friend or family learns about one of my hobbies I suddenly get questions about stuff that's only tangentially related.
Honestly a lot of people are shitting on the breen face reveal, which is fair, but I think it makes sense, I would guess that their form is why the founders thought they were pretty cool
wait a mintue how does discovery know about the Breen when the Federation made first contact with them in 2373 and I know the Discovery is set now in the 32nd century
Why it feells that the Breen Imperium is a satire to the Imperium of Man? Or im just Crazy?
Would be neat if we learned that the Breen once used to be non-humanoid in the past. But with the humanoid body plan being the dominant one across the galaxy, they adapted their somewhat malleable forms over time, to fit in and more easily interact with tech from other species. The Breen in the 2360s may have even still been "less humanoid" than the ones we see here, slowly getting more and more used to it over the centuries.
I loved it. Breen lore is fun. I hope the next episode cameos with someone’s great descendant as holder of the sacred chalice of Rix and heir to the holy rings of Betazed.
Wut
for real though, wtf 😭
There comes a time in Star Trek lore, to me, where you just need to go back and develop known races more instead of creating new ones all the time. Enterprise expanded greatly upon Andorians and SNW is developing the Gorn. DS9 notably focused on Bajorans, Trill, Cardassians and Ferengi who were all introduced in TNG but we really didn't know much about their cultures. The Breen were only mentioned in TNG and then finally appeared on DS9, where they were still generic bad guys. I don't have any problem with Discovery now detailing the Breen; it's exploring the richness of what is already in the lore. This episode gave us some great political storytelling and showed how wonderful T'Rina is as a character.
I should have talked more on T'Rina's role here.
So why did they have such long noses on their helmets in the 24th century.
Because it looked cool and distinct enough to stand out from other background aliens while also being really cheap in terms of costume/makeup - it's meant to invoke the image of something like an arctic wolf, since it was decided that they live somewhere cold. The Breen in TNG/DS9 were never meant to stand out or have superduper hidden lore, they were a pragmatic choice to bring in a "new" alien race without breaking the budget.
@@DocFunkenstein Yeah, yeah... we know that the "writers" in ST: Discovery are dumb. There is no need to repeat that in each and every comment, fool!
@@DocFunkenstein Wait, what??? Kid, I just said that, at least from the point of view of Star Trek's writer staff, using the Spore Drive makes sense, once traveling to another galaxies would take centuries, maybe even millennia under conventional warp.
And Star Trek is outdated and exhausted as a TV show. It's the same BS time and again. The same old social criticism, the same old school sci-fi crap in each and every damn episode. It's about time to Star Trek to end once and for all.
@@DocFunkenstein Nobody was talking about that. The question raised and answered was about costume design.
@@DocFunkenstein Christ, get a fucking hobby, dude. Or watch a show that you actually _like_ instead. You're just wasting everyone's time here, including your own.
>The origin of the Borg, which is something I don’t want answered.
I could not possibly disagree more. I want the events of the “Star Trek: Destiny” trilogy to be made alpha canon.
Hi. In your Movie, about 4 nacelles, Galaxy class has two nacelles, each with one line from the reactor. Does that mean, reactor charges the line with plasma, with more electricity, for example 500.000 ampers to achieve Warp by inducing electromagnetic field strong enough.
czcams.com/video/7XGxvIfT0K8/video.htmlsi=VyntJOUsztUHZ_EW
It would mean 4 nacelles mean 2 reactors and 4 lines right?
I had a bad feeling this video was about Neil Breen....
He was the 1st breen emperor they wear the suits so they can try and emulate the chilling nature of he’s films
His movies are better than Discovery
Wait, it took you to the orange to guess The Badlands- they said plasma storms, I said Badlands; the "eternity" thing sealed it
Also, is Moll pregnant? After all, SHE wasn't the bloodline, and a marriage that is considered taboo (at best) isn't gonna mean much- and she can't believe the Tech is gonna help her alive more than a second after she finds it...
Wait... did they SHOW a breen withought a suit??
Multiple times now, yes.
What’s going to happen the ISS Enterprise? Just a thought!
Not sure we'll see it again this series. I think it might be used as a plot element for the Section 31 film however.
@@CertifiablyIngamethat’s what I was thinking.
@@CertifiablyIngame yeah I’m thinking either Section 31 or a Strange New Worlds mirror universe arc.
I know it’s unlikely, but I still am really hoping we get to see Prime Universe Lorca again too if we go back to the mirror universe in SNW. It would be cool to see how Jason Isaacs plays him in a peacetime setting and not being evil.
The extraneous fluff has been the best part of this show!
I thought it was about Neil Breen..
Oh well
The Breen, Borg, Q speices, Changeling history are things I never wish to know more about. The fact they have such a great mystery is what adds to their greatness.
Who cares if we learn more about Trek's lamer Mandalorians?
On a podcast a writer described them as being like deep sea creatures so im guessing the species evolved in polar waters?
I thought the final clue was hidden in the Nexus when Book was first having the vision. Also I think Moll and Lock are really stupid, they havent done a smart thing the whole season and Lock killed himself being a moron
Moll and L'ahk have been established from the start as being in _way_ over their heads. They're garden-variety couriers, not the Tip of the Moonlit Blade.
The fact that they're acting like this says more about how little respect the name _Starfleet_ commands in the 32nd century, which, given all we've seen in S03, is 💯 valid!
@@GSBarlev Being in way over ur head duznt mean someone has to act stupid which will only make the situation worse. Also even if Starfleet isnt as powerful as they used to be, they can hide Moll and L'ahk fron the Breen which is way better idea than them hoping they can trade tech for freedom
@@jakethornton4856 I don't think we disagree. But I also very much see how Moll and L'ahk would have difficulty putting any amount of trust in the Federation, especially given their backstories.
I think it a good think at they are showing us what the breen look like and does anyone know what happened to the Klingon Empire by the of the 32 century
I’m not watching discovery, but I have no problem with Breen lore being expanded. It’s time we get some answers. It’s the Breen not Batman.
@@DocFunkenstein thanks for the warning.
I’m catching up now and I quite like the Breen lore this season. I wouldn’t call the season a slam dunk or anything, but I’m enjoying the episodes and characters.
Do the Breen even have the blood for a blood bounty?
Primarch? What happened to Thot?
Modern etymology of that word, mostly.
imperium, Primarch is this a 40k reference or is this a coincidence.?
lol leave it to disco to ignore the held stance's of what came before XD
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Maybe Star Trek will come back on air some day and we can get some actual information on the Breen....if they exist in star trek at all....They were never mentioned in either season.
Sorry but I'm done, this channel has become nothing but Kutzman Trek. If you like it fine, but I think it's garbage and will never recognize any of it as legitimate.
This may be a popular opinion but anything Discovery will never be cannon in my heart.
HAHAHAHA they don't look like Boushh anymore LAME.
Not sure that anything from STD should ever be labeled as "new lore" Klingorks
IMO aside from all its canon-breaking, it has had some really cool ideas in its run
It’s like giving high school juniors assignments to write Star Trek scripts
No
discovery meh....
K but bringing ppl back from the dead? NO ST zombies please.
Yeah, I really didn't care for Spock's obsession with _braaains_ in _Voyage Home._
you should create new channel for discovey/post discovery lore, lots of people don't care
Its K-Line Beta Content
This is the latest american junk film as of May 2024. The season 5 up to ep.9 has no point at all. It is not only the worst season ever, and also the worst star trek film ever. I get borded that they just keep expressing emotional feeling and the story line is terrible without doing sci-fi stuff. Glad that this crappy series will be eventually ended soon.
They didn't gloss over the last episode because it was unimportant. It was _very_ important for the overarching themes of the entire season.
They glossed over it because the things that happened in it aren't directly important to the plot of the episode, aka the Breen situation. Because, you know, the Breen didn't feature in the last episode. That's how recaps work
I hate what Discovery did to the Breen.
I love how incompetent fake starfleet is
I still cannot fathom why you're even reviewing STD like it's real Star Trek.
Because Star Trek: DSC is real Star Trek. It’s canon. It’s official. It will always be so until or unless future installments change that.
Spock never had a brother until the 5th movie. He never had a sister until battle of the binary stars/The Vulcan Hello.
I agree 🤷
It's cannon. It's also a bunch of slapped together nonsense.
5 years and this is what they have to show for it.
@@Bored_Barbarian His brother wasn't the federations version of of Gavrilo Princip
Just because a small minority moans and cries very loudly doesn't make it not canon
Otherwise _EVERY_ show after TOS wouldn't be canon
Discovery sucks again! They ruined The Breen.
Just waiting for them to save face and finally say that Discovery is an alternate timeline. 🤣
SF Debris joke fan theory about the Breen and the Paklid being the races from that Enterprise episode where Phlox causes a genocide is better then this.
I don't see what's so bad about any of that they've added to far
Did you even watch the video?
Somebody needs to rescue Star Trek from these useless lunatics who have the franchise now. They're killing it.
I mean. Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have been pretty great, and Picard S3 was great. Plus Discovery is just a few episodes from ending… I’d say they’re getting back on the right track at least.
Discovery ruins another aspect of Trek
How the hell is STD still a thing, such a bad show.
Shows gay.
So, you’re saying it reminds you of your dad?
It is _very_ gay. Which is awesome, considering that _Star Trek_ has always been on the forefront of inclusion and representation, but even the '90s shows couldn't more than hint at homosexuality.
Hell yeah it is, so is Deep Space 9 and Strange New Worlds.