The Secret Taylor Swift Album That Never Existed... or did it?
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Following the release of Taylor Swift's album Folklore, a hidden word an the album cover caused Swifties, Taylor Swift fans, to theorise on what "Woodvale" was. This is the story of Woodvale - the "secret" Taylor Swift album that never was... or was it?
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Timestamps
0:00 Taylor Swift and Her Easter Eggs
1:12 The 8 Folklore Variants
2:46 The Hidden Word
5:16 “Woodvale” Speculation
7:06 Evermore and it’s Clues
10:00 The Trilogy Theory
15:34 When Was Woodvale Going to be Released?
16:41 Taylor Reveals the Truth
17:42 The Woodvale Truthers
18:51 Swiftie Clownery
19:43 The Tortured Poets Department: The Anthology
21:49 Does Woodvale Exist?
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Joe, please upload these onto CZcams at some point, I'm too broke from all the Taylor vinyls I've bought 😃
OMG NEW JOE VID ITS HAPPENING THE 👑 IS BACK
Just found you,&I am already on a tear of watching your videos!!! You are so clever,& I'm a Swiftie & fascinated with fandoms,too! Your channel is so UNIQUE&thank u for all ur hatd work❤🎉😊
Can you make another videofor the even bigger delulu theory: KARMA
Hi joeeee, I was wondering if maybe u can do the history of the lost song (now found ) everyone knows that song? Ik u won’t see or maybe but I think u would like it cuz of the drama and the outcome💀
woodvale: died in 2020
ttpd anthology: born on 2024
WELCOME BACK WOODVALE
not kidding i made a playlist with TTPD tracks and called it woodvale and im kinda obsessed
REAL WHEN I HEARD THE ALBATROSS I JUST KNEW WE’RE BACK IN THE WOODS
Please don’t insult woodvale like this 😭
@@asmrtpop2676 they said the anthology, not the flop standard🤭
@@asmrtpop2676 why do ppl think ttpd is a flop
maybe woodvale is the friends we made along the way
yeah
hide and seek the word "woodvale" was hidden and we seeked it.
we need a follow up video explaining how karma went from lost album to cat purring in my lap
karma never existed, just another fan theory. Rep is too close to the message of a so called Karma album that it literally makes no sense
@@societycrumbles the whole karma theory was clownery from the start. She literally said around 2016 that she was taking a break from releasing music in an interview, there was never "karma"
@@tombaker1643I think the most that one could argue is that Karma might've been the name of the album but later got changed to reputation. I think it's possible that she might've started out with an angrier, more bitter album, but then it didn't make much sense anymore to name it karma when she kept writing love songs... to think she had an entire, nearly finished, album that was shelved is absolutely delusional in my eyes
@@societycrumblesSome of y’all are ridiculousssssss like delulu land levels
@@societycrumbles you cant argue with stupid i guess
Woodvale: "I was suppose to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me" literal forgotten sister😭
they forgot to remove woodvale from the albam
hide and seek the word "woodvale" was hidden and we seeked it.
woodvale is the middle sister... thats why she was forgotten lol we just didn't notice
@@Ivy-13-literally, she's not dumb!😭 it HAS to mean something
13 days ago
the reaches trying to piece together clues for a third album are hilarious, just shows how easy it is to create theories and find "proof" on random things
The HAIM sisters being turned into easter eggs by swifties took me out 😭
I didn’t even start the video yet but I know it’s coming lol
You should see the mcr fandom, theyre clinging onto every straw they can get... :D
@@voxtur__7the letters in your comment add up to 843
Add 8, 4 and 3 and you get 17. Minus the gin and tonics I’ve had today (5 doubles) and you get 13.
Taylor’s lucky number ❤ coincidence? I think not x
Nah. Even all these years later, I still believe the clues like the 3 cardigans were as obvious as the Lover sign. And I still believe the third sister was an intended album that morphed into Midnights. High Infidelity was written in early 2021 and references the day the album would’ve been announced.
as a swiftie, i take comfort in knowing that i will never be delusional over a boy the way i am delusional for taylor swift theories
same (im lesbian)
Girl this is only marginally better
@@thanatoast marginally
not same (im gay)
@dazzlingburritoes5693 Marginally (adv.) To only a limited extent; slightly. This is 3rd grade vocab.
I would’ve just assumed that woodvale was gonna be the name for evermore but she changed it to make Evermore a title track and rhyme with folklore
Cus we are not hinged
actually, it's the opposite, woodvale was the original name for folklore in production, but she changed it
@@yutavergilThey were saying what they would have assumed. Not what actually happened.
Wood vale is name of the street of Joe Alwyns family home
WHAT???@@epicspacedorito4916
the way this video feels like im listening to a secret under crime scene mystery or something and it’s just a taylor’s theory IM CRYINGGHG
thats how all joe regrets videos feel😭😭
hHAHA ik like im on the edge of my seat here
Same it feels like a crime scene
The intense music playing whenever the theories got outrageous killed me
REAL IT’S SO OMINOUS
i think it was just to test out spacing (woodvale and folklore have the same number of letters) without leaking the album name if the pics got out. def weird it was on official merch tho
lmao finished the vid- guess i was right
This mistake happened again with Slvt featuring the 1975
yea i think so too
i always knew the swifties are often wild in their theories and are often clowns, but the majority of the theories are literally borderline delusions😭
Swifties doing weird numerology like that one video of the “Monster Energy = Satan” lady
@@GafafsgLMAOOO FR
Well some of the delusional theories had become true before then so swifties were extra delusional with their thories
When they speculated that the new album is a double album, i thought "no way, she's dedicated but not THAT dedicated! She'll probably release an MV at 2AM or something" lo and behold....
Some are 100% delusional, always expecting more out of taylor BUT sometimes we are correct...
the anthology is definitely woodvale in the sense that its the 3rd installment of the folklore triology. she never called it woodvale though lol
I disagree, in my opinion, the similarities are solely due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology songs than to the standard edition tracks.
@@bendowson3124Aaron can make banger songs like WCS but Taylor chose to go into FolkMore-like production which is the best thing she did
She didn't plan it, she did more folkmore songs for the fans who missed that sound and complained about Midnights.
Honestly its Taylor's fault swifties are this delusional. I mean she literally put clues and riddles everywherdle. Even as a non swiftie "Woodvale" is pretty believable ngl
I firmly believe Woodvale was just a mistake as she said. The similarities between the anthology tracks and Folklore/Evermore are mainly just due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology tracks than to the standard edition tracks.
I think these theories are fun up to the point where they start having real-world consequences. The Woodvale theory seems mostly harmless, I think. Can't say the same for some of the others (*cough* the Gay Taylor theory *cough*).
Also Swifties believing it despite TS telling them straight up that Woodvale wasn't real is the type of obsession that truly begins to be scary.
Bestie, I'm worried about the Gaylor Swifties because the subreddit is still up and running
What's the theory??? That despite her having exclusively male exes She's a lesbian???
The woodvale theory is about her art, the gay theory is about her personal life.
The woodvale theory is just dumb fun while the Gaylor theory is sorta disrespectful to Taylor as well as actual LGBTQ+ artists
Oh wait the dark blue was for midnights lol
I always thought woodvale was just a placeholder for folklore. It's similar to the Karma theories, it was probably repurposed into Reputation. But, TTPD anthology feels like the 3rd folklore-evermore album.
i think there was a 3rd album for the folklore trilogy but things turned rocky w joe and so we got midnights instead which is a one foot out the door album and ttpd is a moving on and rebound then new love with trav album
Midnights was released because she needed new “pop” songs to drive the eras tour
I'm a slowie but you make literally everything interesting...and I think that's beautiful.
21:38 to add to this theory that the surprise songs are bsides from evermore/folklore a lost sister or the “woodvale”, she uploaded a video of her kitten Benji say he has two sisters, and this was during the clowning scene of the whole 2 thing. I think it’s not woodvale but it is also a sister to them
Benjamin literally has two sisters (Meredith and Olivia)
WE HAVE BEEN FEED ❤️
LITERALLY WAS BINGING YOUR VIDEOS PERFECT TIMING KING
Babe wake up, Joe Regrets just posted a new video!
Read that as Joe Rogan and was so confused, then I was like “.. who Tf is Joe Regrets” and had to check the CZcamsr name lol.
@@LordDomielOfElysium HELP??
Thank you babe
@@mysteryshoes4192 💀
After Midnights’ release, we’ve gotten to know its process and Midnights was initially leaning into the same sound as folklore/evermore, but as she kept working on it, she felt like she needed to come back to pop and ended up doing Midnights the way it is. Maybe that was woodvale? Or The Anthology?
everything being an easter egg sounds exhausting to me honestly, i don’t know how people dedicate entire accounts to it. your videos are like going into another world and it’s the only way i can navigate them lol
The editing on this video was really well done. I can tell you put A LOT of extra effort into it that wasn’t necessary but most definitely increased the quality and wachability.
Ok so true!
you should do a video absout all the taylor swift albums that never existed! (timeless, karma, roses, kaleidoscope)
I've heard of Karma, but what's timeless, roses, and kaleidoscope?
@@Mysterium-zy6ri in 2016 people thought that taylor was going to release an album called timeless, it’s a really long story and there was a website and a fake tracklist leak and stuff 😭
people thought 1989 would be called roses and then taylor kept wearing roses just to troll the clowns
taylor said she hid the title of “lover” in the me! music video, every one and their mom guessed “lover” but taylor said “no one has guessed the title yet 🥰” so people thought it was kaleidoscope because of the visuals in the MV
@@purple_rose959they also thought it was gonna be called "Home"
We need the Karma album video ASAP now
Folklore is my fav album. The anthology half is SOOOO folklore. The prophecy so folklore. Cassandra, is legit mad woman 2. I could see it honestly.
i think you should have talked about how cardigan MV ended with a melody that was then the start to willow MV, which ended with another melody that could have been the start to a woodvale MV. you can’t blame us, the woodvale clowning just made sense at the time.
$20 for 3 scrunchies is crazy
taycapitalist at her finest
I literally watch 6 of your videos and this pops up. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️😍😍😍
i really like the editing on these videos 👍
Aaron desner said They recorded 60 Songs during folklore era?!?!
60! people that aren't released!
I keep these longings locked
In lowercase, inside a vault
yessss i’ve been missing your videos so much lately!!! pls put more out 🥹
You really did your research! This is an amazing video. Especially going into the merch. I remember when there were three different color scrunchies being sold during that time and we all thought it was woodvale!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO DO THISSSS THANK YOU
This was VERY well done! Thank You 🌞
PLEASEEEE DO MOREEE YOURE MY FAV HISTORIAN
This is why i love being a swiftie the delulu clown ing is so fun sometimes 🤣
omg love ur videos hope to see this again but for the karma album that was suppose to happen when she bleached her hair ❤😭
THIS A DREAM COME TRUE, I LUV YOUR VIDEOS, KING! 💅😍
When you mentioned TTPD I thought you were going to talk about the line “I keep these longings locked in lowercase inside a vault” from Guilty as Sin? as that single phrase feels like fuel to the whole theory that a 3rd album may really exist, since all the names are lowercased and it might still be in the vault as other songs of hers.
This is my theory too!!
you really have the most random but interesting themes covered on your channel!! and i also like your voice its pleasing to listen to. i hope this do not come of as too weird
YAYY NEW UPLOAD
You are literally one of the best creators on this platform, you put so much effort and good humour into each one of your videos wich makes them so entertaining, you MUST be more appreciated.
amazing video as per usual
love ur videosss
new yearly post from joe!!
He’s actually been posting a crazy amount in the past year! Plus one extra video if you count his second channel
@@Ash_W04 it's a joke.. wbk hunny it's bc he used too rarely post around 2020 smth ijbol
@@lwvrrboyy I know it was a joke; I was just commenting how wild it is that he’s been uploading so much. Also I’m not chronically online enough to decipher your full comment
@@Ash_W04 ok well glad 4 u.. u throw around chronically online loosely when it takes a few scrolls to find that out
@@Ash_W04y'all will call anything "chronically online"
omg i was waiting for a new joe regrets video 😂😂😂lets go
I am a Swiftie and what always makes me crack up is that Taylor has not once… Not ever… done a super intricate, complicated, set of clues or hints.
Literally, every single one of them has been like… when she released the song me! She hadn’t yet said what her album was going to be called and in one scene there’s a big billboard in the background that says lover (the name of the album). Or it’ll be an Easter egg like…. “Oh my God look there’s a song on her album called “sparkly rose dress”, and look, here’s a picture of her from three weeks before the album came out, where she’s wearing a dress with sparkly roses on it!” Or like when her new album (new att) had a song called Snow on the beach… she had posted a photo of herself on a snowy beach a few weeks before. My point is, they’re not typically clues. They’re more like Easter eggs and fun little things to notice after the fact.
The most complex ones will literally be like… Say she’s releasing a surprise music video and not telling the fans … We realize *after the fact* that she posted every day for 5 days before with star emojis mixed within the caption… and each day she put one less emoji… And it was a countdown…
As far as things you could possibly pick up on AHEAD of time, it would be something no more complex than that (emoji countdown lol).
For the most part, they’re always things that you could not possibly figure out until after the fact. Easter eggs, not a riddle to be solved.
The other kind of clue she does for the fans is where she’ll put hints within lyrics like, say there’s an older song that it’s really clear who it’s about (like “style” or “dear John” hahaha)… Then she writes another song that’s a lot more private like say it talks about the person’s addiction problems or that she was seeing them while they had a girlfriend… Or something more private like that that she wouldn’t want to put them on blast with publicly… with something like that, she’ll throw in a lyric or something from that other obviously-about-him song, so that we- the fans- all know, for sure, that the more private personal song is about that same person… As like a wink to the fans to let just us know.
But it won’t be obvious enough that news can report on it… so it’s just for the fans (and again, after the fact).
She has never once ever done a super complex clue like “ Oh, there was a sparrow in the background of the music video, and the sparrow is the state bird of (this isn’t true lol) Washington and as we all know her music producer from her second album lives in Washington, and his last name is “Pinkerton”, as we can see, she’s wearing pink lipstick in the scene with the sparrow… so she’s trying to tell us that she’s working with him. It’s never ONCE been something complex like that. It’s always something like the things I said, that would seem normal in the present, but then, with hindsight makes you go “oh, that’s clever!” or like I said, it’ll be like a little wink to the fans that only the fans will pick up on… But it’s never like an elaborate riddle with an escape room style set of clues lol.
Like, even if you go back to the very first time she did this, on her very first albums where she gave up little clues about who the songs were about… when she was a teenager… All she did was in the Lyric book, put certain letters in bold, and then, if you wrote down all the bold letters, it would spell out a sentence like (whatever, I’m making this up>) “dancing at the Grammys” and let’s say she had been seen dancing at the Grammy’s to some musician that she had been rumored to be dating… So , that would make the fans go “Oh shit, this is definitely about him!” But the average person wouldn’t pick up on it and the news wouldn’t consider it like concrete enough to report on… It’s not meant to be like a crazed riddle lol it’s just supposed to be like fun little extra info for ppl who are big enough fans to care to figure it out. Just a fan thing with the fans.
I don’t understand how they started thinking it was these elaborate things like this.
It never has been.
Not ever.
Not even once lol.
damn
True. They’re not like a puzzle or something they’ll never figure out (unless it’s specified to be that way). It’s just a matter of time because they become obvious when stuff comes out
i aint reading allat
exactly! swifties just love to overthink stuff
the peace sign before TTPD was just it's a two album drop. they're honestly very straight forward. but people have fun with their maths
Thank you so much for this.
Yes! Can you do the other fan theory for seashore? I dont see people talking enough about it...
OUR KING HAS POSTED AND IM LATE
THANK YOU FOR POSTING JOE!! what was your fave met look today xx
Demi Moore! :)
yay joe regrets uploaded! 😜
im crying i wish it was another i love folklore and evermore and folklores my favourite i really wish
the algorithm recomended me this video 13 days later.
I LOVE YOUU💕💕!!
BUT LIKE TAYLOR HAD A BIG OPPORTUNITY THO
The amount of reaching and delusional that us Swifties did is so embarrassing
as someone who has never followed TS so i don't know what any of these things you're talking about are, these stories are so entertaining. i was hoping for a cracked code at the end lol
I literally knew straight away from listening to TTPD Anthology that it sounded like folklore/evermore. I definitely do believe that The Anthology is a re-packaged version of "woodvale" and the reason why she probably released it under "The Anthology" was most likely because she didn't want to post 2 new albums at once.
ITS JOE REGRETSSSSS YESSSSS
“Do you really wanna know where I was April 29th?”
Laughing at us, knowing there would be no album the next day
Joe’s videos always make me extremely unsettled but i am obsessed with the accent and the lore so i return
20:26 that dramatic background vibration is so funny lol
This theory still isn’t as big as the karma ts theory
the energy for Karma never died down
we need a part 2, but about karma
You should do a video about the lost song Dance For Hours a Day or just lost songs and the fandom of trying to find them in general
GUYS MIDNIGHTS WAS DARK BLUE, IF THE COLOR THEORY IS TRUE THEN MIDNIGHTS IS WOODVALE 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
From though like they are over thinking it
This is so fun
Ok I prob don’t think I did it but maybe..so the 3rd letter in folklore is L the third letter in evermore is E the 3rd letter in wood vale is O that means Leo…Leo is a sign from July to august… August is a song in folklore.. folklore was released on July 24..seven days away from august ….seven and august are in folklore…so what does this mean?
7:19 I just woke up and was listening to ttpd and thinking about the “clues” ever since the announcement and how she wore little tiny braids in her hair… and I just wait up and thought woodvale!
this was quick
YASSSS 1 SEC!!!!
I need a video from you about all the crazy swiftie theories lol, ESPECIALLY the five holes in the fence
I just love how I am slowly becoming a swiftie in the year of 2024 where TTPD is released, 15 extra songs of the anthology which is my age this year, and 31 songs in total which is the day I was born, when its swapped around its 13, and the fact i was born in the month where taylor fell in love with travis and the month Im born in the month harry otter was born in (another fandom, sorry) and the fact im still clowning over ttpd and rep tv😍
Anyways jokes aside I NOTICED SOMETHING FROM THE WILLOW WHERE TAYLOR WAS WEARING THE BLUE DRESS RIGHT? EVEN THO ITS NOT THAT RELEVANT BUT IN THE FORTNIGHT MV TAYLOR WAS WEARING A SIMILAR BLACK VERSION OF THE DRESS. Yes I know its not blue but maybe because of the colour filter it made it black in a way idk. SO MAYBE AND MOST LIKELY TTPD IS THE HIDDEN WOODVALE 2.0 AND SINCE TTPD HAS 2 ALBUMS.
And something not as important, looking from the video, there was the post where taylor said that instead of turning back from the folklorian forest, they decided to wander "further in" which was how the new eras tour setlist went along with the transition 🤍 Maybe it was just me who noticed it recently but from the transition taylor was doing folklore then there was a storm sound effect which transitions into the evermore set!
Please do a lookback on Dramageddon 2019... I really want to hear your take on it. Or Dixon Dallas, the country singer🤣
You should do the Karma album with the theories about a blood moon and the 1989 tv glitches
With TTPD I feel like she did go back to her port era with folklore. Examples like the Peter call out and the song I hate it here being very similar to the lakes.
idk why but this scared the shit outta me
Not me making a cameo on a JR video 🤭🤭🤭
How did I miss this? I agree with every single freaking theory in this video! Now that the torture poets department is out and those 15 other songs I believe that half of the album is Woodvale.
I was there, I remember it all too well 😭😭😭
THESE GAVE ME GOOSEBUMPS! I really feel like the Anthology album is supposed to be the Woodvale album. The 15 tracks sound off compared to the original 16 of the Tortured Poets Department. These past few days, I tried listening to the Anthology without having to listen to the first 16 tracks from TPD and I thought to myself, this additional set of songs are great and could be a good on rotation with the Folklore and Evermore albums. SO as a member of the department, I declare WOODVALE, REVEALED through the ANTHOLOGY artifacts!
can you make a video about the “celebs that copy” tumblrs mainly the celebsthatcopybrandy one bc that was a TIME
Please do a video about Karma her other lost album
this still boggles my mind
I mean honestly, I hated TTPD but liked Anthology, and I LOVE Folklore/Evermore. It makes a lot of sense. I just wish she really had called it Woodvale, that's such a vibe
Idk if anyone saw this but on the woodvale merch thing where taylor was teasing everyone, it said it was 31% on like an online thing for 31 hours. Well anyways with the anthology added to ttpd ir makes it 31 songs. Either taylor swift was planning the whole time or im delusional like every other swiftie lol
I love how you say "Tayleh" so british 🥰
To me, i think it was the name for evermore because those are very similar names that are close in themes, and styles. Since “woodvale” would fit the album cover quite perfectly, and it would be a very fitting name. Cardigan and Willow are connected music videos, and it would only make sense that the “Hide and seek” cover that has “woodvale” word on it was folklore and evermore into one name. So is this a hint to them sharing an era on the eras tour? I would say so as folklore gives me the vibes of the a village/vale, and evermore is clearly a forest. I think it is the hidden name of the sister albums, or a hint to a new album in the next 2 years.
I made it out of woodvale. Going to echoville right now!!
joe pls make a vid on lovelypeaches
i feel like it wouldve been the third, but taylor needed more pop songs for eras tour, hence midnights, and she needed to rerelease, and then she started making ttpd. so no woodvale.
AINT NO WAY YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS
I think in a magazine that speaks about Taylor's albums it says that Woodvale was the album code name before it was announced.