The Draftsmen discuss the idea behind formulas to good composition. Does it work?? Watch the full episode on composition techniques. • How to Learn Compositi...
I think my words aren't enough to express how precise and utterly important is the content of this video. And Marshall's words at the end are perfect. Many strategies work for composition, but they're not panaceas. Some people take them with scientific validity because of their appeal to mathematics, while in fact, they don't necessarily work because of that, but just because they help as a guideline.
Every branch on a tree splits off in the golden ratio. Since learning this vital information, each landscape I paint takes approx 15-17 years to complete
I definitely agree with this yes you can get good results of you did it perfectly, but you'd get great results if you explored a little. art isn't about perfection its a journey where you learn, struggle, and how to apply your creativity.
The level of understanding things that fall into into place. I looked at an Artist that inked Forrest and it was beyond what I could do. It was like all was in place but it was natural.
I think it's kindve like anatomy and proportions in art. If you know the rules, you do good work, if you know how to break the rules the right way, you do great work, but you have to really know the rules before you can really break them the right way. Some people have the intuition from experience about the rules without having to learn them straight up, but it's still good to know them.
You just gotta use them right. It's not about bluntly forcing composition into the spiral. It's about making something more pleasing with one of these patterns. Also, deviating from the pattern serves a function. You know if you place something out of a line, it will stand out. It will convey a message "this one is trying to escape". If you place a person outside this spiral, it would look like he's leaving or isn't a part of the company. So it's not about perfect composition but about the effect it makes. Focal thirds - presence, centering - annoying insolence or importance, bordering - leaving or shying out. Although it is a complex subject and I only expect the correct usage from top artists. Well, such as Proko, yes.
Call it nature, call it science. I love the golden spiral, and it can help with composition. Usually, if you like your composition and you hold a golden spiral at eye level it (the composition) will usually fit because the golden mean is appealing to the eye.
I used to be obsessed with implementing the Fibonacci sequence/golden ratio to anything I created and for no better reason other than for the sake of using it. I understand it's importance, but I'm slowly drifting away from it now.
kinda like flipping image after drawing for a while. it might help you gain a better perspective(very likely), but in the end it's up to personal preference.
Science wasn't "moving art forward", it was explaining why the golden ratio is so pleasing. I hate the hostility to science as if it's antithetical to art. This attitude is very off-putting.
Learn the rules, then learn how to break them. Once its organic part of your work you dont have to focus on following it anyway bc you know what will and wont work.
Jojo part 7 with the golden triangle makes more sense now
triangle?
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Hello i have been in a drawing slump for awhile will you dumb that down for me thank you
I think my words aren't enough to express how precise and utterly important is the content of this video. And Marshall's words at the end are perfect. Many strategies work for composition, but they're not panaceas. Some people take them with scientific validity because of their appeal to mathematics, while in fact, they don't necessarily work because of that, but just because they help as a guideline.
Every branch on a tree splits off in the golden ratio. Since learning this vital information, each landscape I paint takes approx 15-17 years to complete
I still re-listen to episodes of drafstmen ♥️ just pure gold
I'm glad they still have a place in your podcast feed :D
I definitely agree with this yes you can get good results of you did it perfectly, but you'd get great results if you explored a little. art isn't about perfection its a journey where you learn, struggle, and how to apply your creativity.
That's so true cause it doesn't need any sort of complex mechanics for such drawings but could be useful in complex image references
Well said Marshall, super informative
Best podcast! You're great guys👍
The level of understanding things that fall into into place. I looked at an Artist that inked Forrest and it was beyond what I could do. It was like all was in place but it was natural.
I think it's kindve like anatomy and proportions in art. If you know the rules, you do good work, if you know how to break the rules the right way, you do great work, but you have to really know the rules before you can really break them the right way. Some people have the intuition from experience about the rules without having to learn them straight up, but it's still good to know them.
You just gotta use them right. It's not about bluntly forcing composition into the spiral. It's about making something more pleasing with one of these patterns. Also, deviating from the pattern serves a function. You know if you place something out of a line, it will stand out. It will convey a message "this one is trying to escape". If you place a person outside this spiral, it would look like he's leaving or isn't a part of the company. So it's not about perfect composition but about the effect it makes. Focal thirds - presence, centering - annoying insolence or importance, bordering - leaving or shying out. Although it is a complex subject and I only expect the correct usage from top artists. Well, such as Proko, yes.
I agree with that 🎉
Call it nature, call it science. I love the golden spiral, and it can help with composition. Usually, if you like your composition and you hold a golden spiral at eye level it (the composition) will usually fit because the golden mean is appealing to the eye.
thank you, I think it's only me thinking about this 😅
When is the perspective course coming?
It's pretty dang far along in editing now. But we're sworn to secrecy for a launch date until it truly meets Marshall's standards. But soon!
I used to be obsessed with implementing the Fibonacci sequence/golden ratio to anything I created and for no better reason other than for the sake of using it. I understand it's importance, but I'm slowly drifting away from it now.
New Proko TV video 🤑
kinda like flipping image after drawing for a while. it might help you gain a better perspective(very likely), but in the end it's up to personal preference.
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This whole video was a jojo reference
We've subtly inserted MANY JoJo references in Proko videos. Enjoy the hunt finding them!
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Science wasn't "moving art forward", it was explaining why the golden ratio is so pleasing. I hate the hostility to science as if it's antithetical to art. This attitude is very off-putting.
its just like everything else in art. you learn the rules so you can break the rules
very helpful! 😂 i barely use any compy rules, when i do try I get confused.
I said i’ll go with what looks right
A completely valid way to do it!
Amen
yes and no
Also: maybe!
Optional: perhaps
optional 2 : mayhaps
Dynamic Symmetry is more for Architecture rather than Visiual Art or Illustrators.
Learn the rules, then learn how to break them. Once its organic part of your work you dont have to focus on following it anyway bc you know what will and wont work.
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Not always, but SOMETIMES, science should just stay out of art. It's art. It doesn't have to make sense.
Kinda don’t like how this dude talked lmao