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Magus,as a protoss player, is learning the Terran language. And the first expression to know is 'zerg tech op'
Honestly this is fairly advanced Terran player speech, since there's a word between "[race]" and "op". Even fluent Terran conversations often don't get that articulate.
@@alexanderkozhevnikov9087
Yes, if they are between terran players of the protoss race, it's always about how to leave their own mother's incel basement.
Still cracking up about the observers trying to escape from the game at any cost...
I heard in my head… exit stage left. Then it was toast.
I think what happened here is that Magus used ChatGPT. But instead of copy/pasting the AI output he accidentally pasted his own Input into the complaint form.
That's a wild theory xD
I never realized how powerful observers could be in groups of 3 or 4
It lets maybe one of them to survive sitting atop a spore before the rest of the army kills the spore. Very OP strategy.
Just imagine, if a lurker burrows, and then burrows again, Magus will still see it.
Imagine if they get a sight boost if more observors are together
That was the best worded, most poetic, and truly most heart-clenching complaint form I've ever seen you read on the channel.
Zerg tech op... that says it all 🤣
It was so deep and meaningful. Tears flowed from my eyes. Angels wailed. Civilisations rose and fell. Heroes fought and villains died.
Truly an epic of the modern age.
The feeling of Downfall of many of our axtion truly shows how *_Imba_* this world is
Many submissions contain a wildly inaccurate story, but I did not expect the events of this 3-word form to not even happen in the game at all. 😂
Well, at least there was a zerg.
@@nathangamble125 There was also tech. That makes it 66% correct!
I genuinely wonder if magus somehow thought that the lurkers were the only reason why he lost.
Like, he's so unaware that he thought he was even with his opponent, but when he saw 3 lurkers in the final fight, he assumed that they were the only reason why his army lost.
@@godhand2018 Damn, that takes me back to when I got those 3 question quizzes in English class.
I hated those.
@@CatacombD judging by how frequently that happens in salt mines and IODIS i don’t doubt it.
Honestly at his level not hitting your own units with the disrupter is pretty nice
Magus had like 50/50 connections I think? Seems pretty alright to me. Combined with not (or at least rarely) hitting himself, this is some high level gameplay
@@Alex-pq2fv compared to the rest of the humans, gold leaguers are experts at starcraft. thats true
Thats actually what Harstem said about the last Protoss submittion who also failed to kill any of his own units; at least it wasnt better to never have activated the spell at all.
Edit- I am paraphrasing.
@@Alex-pq2fvwith the last one maybe, but like the first 3 hit pretty much nothing and that against an enemy that isn't even dodging in any way, he pretty much shot them through the entire army without hitting
truly one of the iiodis forms of all time
it imba or do i suck
@@Willdroyd do iiiiiodis next
If not THE iodis form of all time
@ Is it internally impossibly imbalanced or do i suck
Or: Is it indefensable, imbalanced and idiotic or do i suck
Undeniably so.
Halfway through Harstem's reading of the balance complaint form I was like: Get to the point already!
With that essay of a form you'd think he was a terran player in disguise.
Pro-tip from an English learner: 'g' is usually silent in the 'gn' combination. Examples: gnome=[noʊm], sign = [saɪn], Gnarl = [nɑrl]
Harstem really missed a chance to deep dive into an in depth analysis of the report form.
Let's take the time to really analyze what Magus was saying. Firstly, he starts with the word "zerg." He was very much correct, as there was zerg on this map. Complaint form is so far 100% accurate. Next, Magus adds in the word "tech." Now, harstem did cover that the extent of tech used by the zerg was from a spawning pool, so perhaps Magus instead was using the word "tech" as a short version of "techniques." In this case, he might be referring to the spine rush technique that was employed against him in this wonderful replay. So "tech" could be argued to be 50% accurate. Finally, Magus concludes with the word "op." Im pretty sure an easy AI would have done a better job responding to the rush than our friend Magus did. The immortal "micro" was negative micro, and he just kindof sat on a ton of minerals not doing anything. Then he builds a ton of observers for no real reason and loses a bunch of them in amazing fashion. Any "technique" would be OP if you just observe it doing its thing without fighting back against it. "op" gets a 0% accuracy rating. Now we just multiply the accuracy rates together, 100% x 50% x 0% and get a result of 0% accuracy. In conclusion, it isn't IMBA, Magus just sucks.
(100+50+0)÷3=50. So 50% accurate
@@lewisheasman yet
Still suck
Maybe we have to find another meaning for "OP"?
I mean can we be sure he has the same understanding of the word?
@@lewisheasman He said he multiplied them, not calculated the mean. Which makes it an even more genius comment.
Isn't zerg op tho? And if zerg is op, then isn't zerg's tech op aswell?
Editor is on the ball.
Also.
Zerg tech op.
I was so exited that this was actually gonna be an imba game cos of the title
Same :).i tought "this is it, we are gonna see something that Harstem deems imba"
Yeah, also thought that
Me three.... I also feel so ashamed right now that after thousands of games I'm a 2.8k MMR plat2 toss on the European server 😅🙃🤦I really don't understand how can I have the same MMR as Magus, being an 130-150 APM lategame toss, active on the map, constantly scouting, building my first pylon in PvT at 10 sec, my first gate at 30 sec, or at 35 sec in PvP and 39 sec in PvZ, having solid build-orders, I do suck a little at micro, so I do appreciate the Disruptor hits... but still...
@@mihairo83 lol true, i didnt notice his mmr, 2800 is crazy. Im a a ~3200mmr dia 3 on Eu. And i really think my games are way way better, they make sense (at least in broad strokes, the details may vary:):)). This was surreal, no idea how he reached his mmr.
@@firestarter000001sky toss if not caught early is frustrating to fight
It is really important for all of the observers to be in the same spot. I find that it really brings clarity to the fog of war.
I hear if we stack observers perfectly, their vision range stacks too.
Based on the title, I thought he was going to end the series, and I had a mini panic attack.
i thought it’d be a meme video where he just reads a complaint forum for twenty minutes
Imagine if the opponent made mutas instead of lurkers
"Protoss And Terran Pro Players Hate Him! Zerg Player Destroys Competition With This One Weird Trick!"
The rest of the article: zerg tech op
I'm just having a hard time believing that Magnus looked at his own replay, and said "yep, I could not have done anything better".
you think he looked at the replay?
zerg tech OP is just like omelette du fromage, you can use it on every situations
Ah. Dexter's Lab. Also a man of culture.
😂 I was laughing so hard throughout the whole video. The obverserver party was the best
"Eat that Noam Chomsky" was one of the funniest throw-away lines hahaha
You know what? I was complaining that the imbalance complaint forms were getting too long, I guess I was asking for this. Good work Magus, I approve.
It's not like Magus can complain that Gnarl was an amazing opponent. Keep in mind that Gnarl swapped into a macro focus after the contain and then DIDN'T MAX OUT UNTIL ~14:30. For point of reference, in ViBElol's B2GM series that focuses on defensive macro, players are expected to max out at 11 minutes IN BRONZE, in plat the expectation is 8:45.
If you want to argue that he was delayed by his proxy hatch, he was finished with it around ~5 minutes and already had queens and 2 hatch, so was poised for his economy to explode, so he should be able to do it by 11-12 minutes as a plat player.
This imba complain is beautiful. I can feel every words coming from inside me
Guess the spines really carried the Zerg's tech. Truly OP
This is why I say we need to know the location of the players for the "Noobs in disguise" series.
I can't believe Magus doesn't realize how much Gnarl hurt himself by overcommitting to the spine rush/contain. He's still ahead until ~7:22 and if he just kept calm he probably could have kept his advantage while breaking out of the contain.
I think 2 oracles would have just broken the Zerg's non-existent economy. But instead he wanted to throw away immortals to spines and zerglings after he had enough to prevent the spines from moving up the ramp.
Oracles feel like too much of a gamble, though. If you move out with them and the zerg has a spore or two you're basically super dead because you didn't spend your resources on breaking the contain
@@Deto128 Gnarl already built 8 spines, 5 spores, 1 hatch and 2 queens to build a contain. So that's 14 drones and 2,475 minerals, so if you can get them to sacrifice even _more_ drones and minerals for defense then they're going to have a dead economy.
Look at 5:48, Magus has almost double the worker count and if they force 2 spores and kill 0 drones, then Magus still killed 12.5% of the economy. But at plat they're definitely going to kill more than 0 drones even if they had spores and no micro on the oracles.
But even if he chose to focus on _just_ breaking the siege, he had a lot of options and by the time he did his opponent would have finally caught up to his economy, but he would have the tech advantage so he would have broke even imo.
@@xitaris5981 if I was Magus I would hv just built 30 speed zealots and fuck him up
He didn't really have vision to determine that 2 oracles would be enough. And the zerg demonstrated the presence of spores already. Double oracle is a pretty big gamble for someone that's blind.
@@HellecticMojo presence of spores along with proxy Hatch, along with a gazillion spines means he cant possibly have money for more than just 1 spore at home, and maybe not even that, judging by the extreme focus on the contain.
Also, not making oracles because he has no vision to determine whether to build them or not, is not going to give you vision either....
Gotta take some risks eventually. (plus, if its true he didnt have much at home, then the SOLE PRESENCE of the oracles will force him to build EVEN MORE spores.. and consequentially still hurt his economy even further)
Again, he was not blind. 1+1. You cant possibly have 10 spines and 3 spores at min 4 and at the same time have much going at your main base. Just not mathematically possible. You can get information from "logical deductions" as much as with plain vision.
Stupid Zerg and their damn...
*shuffles deck, pulls card*
...tech
Hey harstem, fun fact -gn is closer in prononciation -ni than it is to k. It resembles k in the cotext that k is also followed by n
Are we... Witnessing history?
Edit: nope 🤣
Welll it IS history... really stoopid history 😂
Clickbait! >:-O
@@tilmanvogel2387 i were hoping to see another marines complaint, that was the one imbalance complaint harmstem has deemed imba
@@rudzielecgucio8307 Wow, I missed that! Was it last year, you think?
Master Editor. Thank you for that comprehensive explanation on why the initial Protoss "Wall" was not a wall. I for one saw the efforts you made for your explanation and appreciate it!
Rubicks cube prison analogy was too good lmaoo
4:45 game-time is the critical juncture for Magus, nat is forfeit, but that just should mean that it's time for a one-base all-in - full-wall, build a twilight for charge, get a prism from the finishing robo and get to six gates. Then just fly out and overwhelm. Gnarl takes the 3rd at 8:16 game-time, which means Magus had roughly 3mins 30s to execute, an easy win.
We got cleverly clickbaited
Hamster was baited too
Haha wow. So I had this playing out-of-view and mostly tuned out while I worked - I look over at the 11:00 minute mark and discover the protoss is still trapped in their main by spine crawlers.
Immediately decided I'm going to go back and watch the whole thing from the beginning with full attention.
As protoss you should use the minerals for either more economy (nexus/probe), more zealots (warp gate/pylons), or more defense (cannon/batteries). It is the basic thing also called "mineral dump".
I think building cannon/battery defense and warping zealot/stalkers on the other side of the map (by getting prism and 4 warp gates) is the best defense against this mass spine push. Should hard counter his build easily. Once you have the zerg bases destroyed, spread your zealots to every base so that he can't expand anywhere while making colossi with range or tempest to clean the blockade.
Imagine if you could just build 3 air units from a starport called void rays and instantly winning the game by killing the base of your opponent, rather than building 3 immortals... super hard.
Zerg tech op.
Found the silver player
There were spores and queens that could transfuse
@@pablovirus No there were not. Check 13:36. Base is still completely free to take.
That random "zerg tech op" around 15:15 cracked me up XD
Noam Chomsky isn't much into phonetics/phonology i think, so no worries there. Also, I'm certain he'd appreciate your syntax!
Yes Hamster it would be a silent 'g' in Gnarl. Also I would've been mad to watch an IODIS that was obviously nothing to do with imba - but this was pretty hilarious lol
@Editor: Do not expect too much from a dutch, they are mostly under everyone elses' (sea)level and as we all know, he IS the cheesiest man alive, so it is reasonable to assume that by how much cheese he played, his brain has adapted and become cheese itself. Excellent for making SC2 YT content, but otherwise barely a functioning member of civilized society.
Ja moin!
16:30 was perfect, thank you editor
I think you missed the whole point: that ability of zerg to build spines, spores and lings with just a spawning pool is OP. Why protoss needs gate and forge, terran needs barracks and engi bay but zerg has everything with just a spawning pool? Yes he lost to spines but *this* is an OP tech and we can clearly see that it is.
Definitely imba. zerg tech op
I guess the Spawning Pool is OP, in that it gives Lings, Queens, static defense and access to lair.
Meanwhile Toss has to build Gate, Core and Force for core units + static d.
Just a guess though.
spawning pool / gateway. Core/lair. Forge/evo chamber. ?WTF? zerg tech is actually longer. It's more buildings to get to broods than carriers, and carriers are better so protoss gets more advanced in less buildings than zerg can get with all buildings.
That joke with Rubik's cube was delicious, thank you.
nice,. a zerg cannon rush using leap frog tactics,. have not seen that since SC1. I guess he was scared of lurkers to make so many observers.
He was showcasing the imba of moving static defences of zerg you mentioned in another episode
Magus trolled successfully Harstem, and anyone who watched the replay (myself included). Otherwise the only way you play like this and get 2700 MMR is you get lucky with a few placement matches. Gnarl seems somewhat competent since he did a few transfuses, expanded everywhere and kept minerals low.
2700 mmr is extremely low, it's hard to be placed lower than that. Which is exactly why Harstem called it the bottom of the barrel.
@@henningbreede6428 maybe for you and progamers in general. SC2 is very challenging for the average/casual gamer. For you to make that comment is very short-sighted.
The way this terran played, it looks like he should be in mid to high bronze, maybe silver 3.
If he is actually a platinum player, he was sand bagging for the troll attempt.
see even you agree that this is genuinely a WTF moment in your "is it imba or do i suck" series..... like holy hell mayn
Agadmater: And it is as of 1 minute 25 seconds that we have a completely new build.
As a low level player, breaking any kind of early contain - spine or bunker rush - feels very difficult. I would have liked to see an explanation of what a correct response would have looked like.
Ok so first off he had a complete freewin on his hands since he opened with a forge. He could have built cannons behind his wall (so that spines can't hit it until the creep goes further) and then build batteries behind. Since the zerg made spores, too few lings and executed the rush too slowly it would have given him a secure 2base setup where he only needs to rebuild the gateway and cybercore. It would have been even clearer if he hadn't opened so poorly and managed to lose 5 probes to a pool first, if you micro that correctly and chrono out an adept you're supposed to not lose any. From the point on that he has2 bases and a 20 worker advantage he can basically just do whatever and kill his opponent because he just has twice as many units.
Even after failing so completely and losing his natural. Just making a prism and flying it across the map, then harassing with adepts in the prism would have done enough damage to come back into the game. The zerg didn't have the queens at home to be able to defend a prism, nor the ling count to be able to deal with it. If he then clears the spines at the same time it would be much better. Or even just at the very minimum have a prism to not lose multiple immortals to the lings+spines while trying to clear the contain. He could have taken his natural several minutes earlier with 0 losses and then done counter damage with an immortal drop immediately.
The obs "yes! My chance to finally leave Aiur and contribute to the Protoss cause! Warping in now Executor Magus!"
Ten seconds after appearing: "Oh hellllllllll nah! Someone, WARP ME BACK HOME!"
The fact that Harstem knows about linguistics and Noam Chomsky makes me happy.
These observers are looking for a spore to fly into... killed me haha
Unfair, gas is his major limit or, the minerals cost for rapid expansion once you escape 11:13
Blue was probably thinking red was going to attack into his main imminently
otherwise he could diverted resourves into a prism and just wrap in zealots in his opponent base
Zerg tech op
This is PLAT!
Observers be like: To the mesosphere! Finally we can die :)
The spore was a 1000IQ counter to the observer
this was like an episode from the office, i'll say scott tot's, as it was very fun to watch, but painful, cringy freakin painful hahaha
The bottom? Oh Harstem, there are 3 entire leagues of pain below this!
Are we sure this wasn't sent by some rogue A.I.? Or maybe ChatGPT is becoming a giant troll...
Zerg tech op!
Meanwhile on the video series where you guess the MMR:
"Clearly this is a 3500 player. His Disruptor hits were kind of good."
This was a funny video, but frankly your reference to Duolingo was that part that made me really laugh out loud.
It's the observer massing that did it for me
Magnus played like it was a campaign mission
"Okay, he sees the creep. Does he respond?"
I assure you: he does not consciously see that creep.
There are some players who play greedy, or have a strict plan and play well once they hit their stride - but do not handle any early deviation. They just don't know how to react to it. My first game where I was PF rushed I handled even worse. Still, not a reason to send a a replay.
I think he meant that zerg is op because they can make defensive structures off just a spawning pool (the "i cant build cannons off gateway so why can he do it with spawnpool logic"). His restricted vocabulary likely prevented him from elaborating this properly.
Hey harstem, i have an (old) game of me and my dad getting absolutely smoked by some smurfs only building marines. Do you also accept 2v2 imba forms? Would love it!
Send it in. I doubt that he will pick it as he is very focused on the 1v1 aspect of the game, but maybe I can use it for smth different :p
My Protoss MMR is 2700, i.e. exactly the same as Magus', but my APM is half of his. It must be because I make fewer different types of units, especially not 10 observers. I don't know how I would've handled a spine crawler rush though. Maybe I would've sunk some minerals into cannons to guard my immortals on the ramp.
The Captain has searched far and wide to find the lowest common denominator. Little did he know, he would also discover what negative game knowledge looks like. We are all of us at least 200MMR lower against zerg thanks to this replay.
also taking the corner base, allows not only a probe retrieval but can teleport your army from the mobile zerg army, baicslly makign it worthless... since zerg static d cannot move withotu creep bascially so evne then if you lose your main... so the easiest way for him to win woudl be to get those immortals and stalkers immediately in his opponents base as quick as possible...
Clearly the spawning pool is OP, it allows for the production of Queens, lings, spines, spores and lair. No other tech structure provides so much for so little. Only 200 minerals for all that, sign me up!
"Eat that Noam Chomsky"
Lmfao
Magus is like a Pokémon who can only say it's name. Or a Groot, who can only say a single 3 word phrase. Zerg tech op.
i can explain why harstem said that the disruptor control was "okay" ... he managed the herculean feat of not blowing himself up XD
This is how a lot of my ladder games look haha. I’m 2500 and play toss. Zerg is swarms swarm, it’s scary scary
"This is a completely unique build as the chess players would call it" LOL that was a great joke
11:38 mass corruptor is pretty good at destroying nexus. Especially if it is defended by disruptors and immortals. I'm not saying thats a good counter. I'm just saying its not that bad.
I think Magus here was simply trying to find a way to create an observer archon.
Instead of mocking Magus, saying that he plays garbage and saying that he sucks, I'll be more sympathetic. I've seen a lot of people of this mmr and I know that openings at this level from protoss players are very random and gate-forge often isnt reaction to anything, it just is inefficient thing, that gives an illusion of safety, they often dont scout. He kinda looks like a new player to me who maybe knows how to play macro, but at this given level, whatever possible early aggression is enough to make people crumble and this is normal thing. 2.7k protosses are very prone to the 12 pool with mediocre execution, trust me, I did this to them multiple times.
So what I mean is that, if you're having trouble defending against cheese you will look inevitably worse, than usually, Magus maybe could've played it a lot better than we've seen, if there was no cheese.
Also Harstem, good job on roasting every plat3 player, which is 2.7-2.8k. This league is literally the middle.
It's a league many people reach within two weeks of playing the game, if they are serious. If they are viewers of Harstem one should judge them as being invested at least somewhat into the game instead of just dabbling around. You can look at other IODIS submissions or mmr guessing formats or anything with viewers and see that this is about as low mmr as it goes for replays many people have seen for a long time.
No doubt toss got to that mmr with half-assed cheeses, got bored and tried a macro game, and found that his vocabulary of "probe pylon forge cannon" wouldn't cut it. So he learned three more words.
Honestly back in the day when i just started i tought you could spawn in any one of the corners lmao
Back in the day there were some maps where that was the case. You wouldnt always spawn at maximal distance.
IIRC
@@ManDuderGuy you recall correctly
@@RabbitAlgebra Passed my dementia check, hell yeah brother.
In English would probably be silent like "narl". In Polish we just read in like "gun" but shorten the u if that helps. XD
"Veni, vidi, mortuus sum" - Observer, probably.
This really reminds me of one of my own games when I played SC2 10 years ago
At times the Protoss had 200 APM while doing nothing.
That obs did not desire to live in such an infested world. It chose death.
Given that Magus had a 10 observer build order, my theory is that, like me, Magus is just an observer of the game, and not an actual SC2 player.
the moment we all have been waiting for finally we get a truly imba occurrence.
Thumbnail had me
he is absolutly right!
I don't know squat about Starcraft but I really like your casts. I'll always be an AoE2 guy but this game is pretty sick albeit confusing at times.
i agree that zerg is the most imba race in the game. the better the player the stronger zerg is, even serral cant even use the full power of them.
But how can you complain abt this game if the reason you survived to 20 mins was because zerg no eco for 5 mins straight 💀💀
"zerg tech op" is like one of those lines from the Hebrew bible that rabbis argue about for hundreds of years
does a spine attack count as a worker rush?
The unspoken spine crawler micro