Strobe is most effective for indirectly lighting a room with a hand held light. Makes it hard for bad guys to pin point where the light is if you are moving it all around in a sideways figure 8. It’s very effective, especially if you are moving.
@@coolman54061 ...YOU wouldn’t be moving like that... YOU would be moving in a straight line. The flash light is moving in a fig8 pattern while YOU are moving in a straight line.
@@agmsmith4079 ohhh. Bruh I was legit like this mans doing a whole square dance routine when someone breaks in his house😂that’s so trippy on the eyes tho I’d rather just be able to temporarily blind someone with a super bright light
@@coolman54061 ...people shoot at the light. If you try to blind someone 9 times out of 10 you become a bullet sponge. Flashing the room with indirect light let’s you see the whole room without giving the bad guy a nice shiny bright target to unload on. Try it next time you do force on force training in a shoot house. Tell them to turn all the lights off and do a run through the shoot house in darkness with only a flashlight. You’ll see what I’m talking about. If you are trying to just spotlight areas and you come across the bad guy... you will lose the gunfight instantly. If you are flashing the rooms and hallways indirectly you’ll see where he is and can shoot at him while you are moving in darkness and you won’t be giving him a big bright target on your chest to shoot at.
@@coolman54061 ... another nice trick that works like a charm is to use a spotlight decoy ambush. That also works great. Setup a flashlight pointing at an entryway... then crouch in the darkest corner in the room perpendicular to the doorway. Bad gun runs in and will immediately start shooting at the light thinking you must be behind it, holding on to it. You then shoot him from the side. I’ve actually done this in rooms with all the lights on and it still works. You need to use a brighter flashlight (like 1000 lumens). I did it in a simulated office active shooter scenario. One student in the Force on force class was acting as the shooter. I setup an ambush in a conference room, I put my super bright flashlight on the overhead projector in the middle of the conference table aimed right at the doorway, I hid off to the left wall between some chairs. Shooter kicked the door open and came into the room unloading on the flashlight. It was so bright that he said he couldn’t really see anything else in the room even though all the lights were on in the conference room. I hit him 10 times in about 2 or 3 seconds from where I was hiding off to the side. He had no idea where I was until the instructor turned off the flashlight and he was able to look around the room.
The military did study on strobe lights for non lethal force. Apparently aside from ruining other people’s night vision and giving you vision, a certain frequency can induce a physiological response. Supposedly they cause a stunning effect similar to a flash bang where you overwhelm their senses.
It's called flicker vertigo! In flight school they taught us to be careful when looking through the main front blades in bright conditions. The sunlight can strobe and it can be pretty disorienting
@@anti1training I don’t remember it’s a long time since I heard about it. But honestly a really bright light enough to “stun.” I use “stun” because it’s like a second, not super long but enough for you to get an advantage.
@@allstarwoo4 thank you for the information shared. One question, do you think there is in the market a strobe defence system as powerful as a welding light or a powerful light beam such as when power lines break or touch a foreign object that create this massive shinning of uv light? How damaging do you think it can be for the aggressor in short term for his eye sight or night vision, maybe it can create some permanent damage to his retina? Or I am wrong?
As a former DEA agent I’m at a crossroads…I completely understand and respect what you’re saying about the strobe, however from my experience out in the field, I’ve used the strobe many of times during raids, etc. and always loved it. There was a difference between the regular light and the strobe in not only the bodily reaction of the bad guy, but also their facial reaction…always dazed and disoriented…always! I even know a SWAT commander who always insisted on the strobes from all his men (depending on the situation of course). It was just different and really hard to explain. I guess to each his own as they say, but I personally enjoyed it during my tenure with the DEA and glad that was an option.
@@DamageLLC How many crooked DEA guys do you think are out there? Seems like a lot of money to be made in that area. I imagine the temptation is too much for some folks, especially on a gov't salary.
I would recommend shoving the bayonet into the barrel much like the rifles grenades of old. This allows you to bayonet your foes from far greater ranges and with much more speed and surprise.
Yeah I hate when companies put strobe mode on everything. I have about a total of 400 house entries in combat and never once found a situation where I wish I had a strobe. Yeah a strobe is a bit disorienting, but so is 1,000 plus lumens in your eyeballs.
I don’t have the experience you do, I’m a civilian, so I know my place, but would a blinking light of the same lumens not be more effective in your opinion again an unknowing target? Yes a bright ass flashlight shined in my face will make me immediately recoil and turn away from the person shining it, so I don’t see why a strobe wouldn’t be more advantageous.
@@X.L.B1, I’ve tested multiple lights under different conditions (from both sides of the light). Yes I’d say a strobe SLIGHTLY increases the effects of a given intensity of light. The problem is it’s a marginal improvement and as the light intensity increases the improvement decreases but the deficit that it imposes on the user increases. Also quite significant is that viewing someone under a strobe really makes it harder to quickly and accurately recognize their movements.
@Brandon Andrews Yeah, it can mess with your vision and sense of movement almost as much as the guy getting strobed... The only way I see it somewhat working is if a light went strobe for like 1 or 2 seconds then went directly to constant on. Even that though is trying to make it work. I still prefer constant on where I have full control over how long the light stays on. Alot of times you just want brief light until the threat is down and then lights off as soon as possible. If you ever been standing outside of a house being gone through by people with lights in the middle of the night, it can draw attention that something is going on in this house.
Strobe lights tho make your pupils dilate and contract continuously when your in the dark which can make the enemy disoriented, constant light is good but the pupils will always be dilated if you do keep flashing the light at their face. Take your phone and spam the flashlight button towards your face and try with constant light and compare the difference. Either way both are fine
Played paintball in a pretty dark building against someone with a strobe once and it was pretty disorienting. We ended up asking him not to use it. Tbf though I didn’t play against someone with a normal touch for comparison.
One counterargument I've heard with having the light separate from the gun is that there is the possibility of the noise you hear in your house is not a threat, like a family member or your dog. They say that the weapon-mounted light makes it more likely that you will point your gun at something that you don't want to destroy. Thoughts?
Well, that's why you train. Imagine that you hear a noise and you go to investigate, then you shine a light on an armed intruder. Now you'll have to either raise and point your weapon or unfold it first to face the threat, losing precious time and risking your life. Now picture the same situation but you point your gun mounted flashlight just to find your daughter who woke up to grab a snack. You'll put the gun down, and scold her, telling her to turn on the lights when she goes around the house at night. If you're so trigger happy that you're afraid of that situation, you shouldn't have a gun until you trained more. You only put your finger in the trigger once you've identified what you're aiming to and decided to shoot.
@@moteroargentino7944 This is interesting. You are the first person on the internet I've seen recommend it this way. I feel like every scenario would warrant a different reaction. I hope not every one of you grabs a gun for any bump in the night- that's almost guaranteed to have your teenager at the end of a barrel every week. I believe prudent people are more likely to escalate their threat mindset up and down a notch depending on what the sound was. If its 11 pm and you hear a bump in the kitchen, go check it out with a flashlight and gun. If its 2 am and you hear a door or window getting literally kicked in, go check that out with your WML. But to say that one or the other is useless? That's dealing in extremes and that's never wise...
A strobe feature is designed to produce disorientation without necessarily creating a blinding effect, it's a extra feature for self defense besides the blinding light and the use of the flashlight as a impact weapon...
I just think you missed the point with the ”giving your position away”-argument. It’s not a thing when it comes to home defence but when it comes to a military/militia setting: any kind of white light for only a second will let anybody in the vicinity know where you are regardless if it’s a deep forrest or a building. A practical example of a weapon light being a detriment was when my platoon was issued weapon-lights for perimeter patrols. The patrols walked around the installation shining at the bushes so that anyone who came up to that place knew exactly where the patrol was.
I do believe he referred to a home defense situation. In the field, what you said makes absolute sense. That's probably why flares and night vision are used, I presume. To see without giving away your position.
@@moteroargentino7944 yes, in my experience flares are for fighting and night vision is for non-combat stuff like guarding or recon. Most guns are hard to fire while wearing night vision and you get really poor depth perception. The are not all they are cracked up to be. But on the point of home defence, the generall argument for a light seems to be That otherwise you could shoot the wrong person. Most people do not have a super tactical weaponlight and yet the number of cases in the US where inocents get shot by legal gun owners inside their homes is statistically less common than people who has been hit buy lightning three times during their life.
For self defense, unless you are running around with NVG's in your house, you're likely as blind as the bad guy if you aren't using light. The advantage you have, is operating from a defensive position (so you can be stationary), and knowing the layout. Add in any back lighting that may silhouette them, and you can have a decent idea of where they are. You still need to identify the target before you are legally and morally justified in shooting it, and that's where tons of the stories of family members and friends getting shot on accident comes from. If you have them dead to rights, turning on a flashlight, weapon mounted or not, really isn't going to change much, except to positively identify a threat justifying the use of deadly force, or realizing that it's your teenage son sneaking back in the house after getting busy with the girl down the street. If you think he still needs to be shot, I guess that's your call at that point.
@@Codeeez I mean assuming you are in a dark place. I'm comparing tracking a moving strobing light to tracking something that you almost or completely cant see in darkness
@@Yurkevich22 on one side youre completely blinded, night vision destroyed, trying to stare past 1500 lumens, maybe popping off rounds in the general direction, but the light is moving. The other side has now illuminated the target, is moving off the x, and firing on an identified target. It's not even worth arguing over. If you think you have better chances on an even playing field, then do you boo boo
@@Codeeez it sounds like you are arguing from a military or LE point of view. Yeah, I agree then. I think the discussion here is more about a civilian defensive scenario though, where your opponent is not going to have night vision, etc.
Since you didn’t mention it in this video I feel like I should mention that if you have a weapon light you still need a handheld light because sometimes you shouldn’t point a gun at what you can’t identify
Yes, a small handheld flashlight is a must in your EDC; and no, you *should* point a gun at what you can't identify (possible threat) and then decide whether to shoot or not once you know what's in front of you.
Grilin18 Exactly that concept means nothing when you're using an AR platform rifle for a self defense situation. Ya my bad I meant to reply to the original poster, I went wtf?
@@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329 So you're walking your dog around the block you hear the noise on the other side of a car that doesn't sound good you're going to use your flashlight on the gun to identify what it is a good way to get shot or get arrested when it's just somebody getting out of their car
Guess what, you don't have to point your weapon at something/someone when using a weapon-mounted light. Lights have flood/spill, so you can just point the gun at the ground, turn the light on and it will still illuminate everything around without directly pointing the gun at that person/object.
Special forces in my country use strobe lights on tactical shields as well. Massive multiple sets of lights. I think it does the job FOR THEM if they are using it.
I watched your entire video, and you did nothing to convince me. The flashlight still gives away your position, and a perp can simply shoot at the flashlight, even if they cannot see any other thing. Second, if strobe is so stupid, why do special forces (Russian, for example) go an extra mile and put strobes on their assault shileds?
Exactly. I was kinda with him up untill he said that the strobe is worthless and a regular light was more disabilitating. I mean what a f****** tard. The strobe is extremely effective when it comes to disabling an enemy because your pupils aren't able to process that type of flux and causes a rapid and excessive amount of fluctuation which in turn makes extremely difficult to successfully carry out any kind of action other than covering your eyes. For instance if you ever go to the eye doctor they shine a bright ass light directly into your eyes for quite a long time doesn't really bother you but just imagine if that light was strobing you be begging for them to turn it off.
You don't have to turn it on if you worry about giving away your position. Also, it would be wise to immediately move after turning the light on and off.
Momentary mode to quickly identify then move when off. The Momentary on is as quick as your thumb pressing and releasing. On, identify ,shoot, off, move. No one in this world is quick enough to see light and shoot within a second unless someone is already expecting a gun light to turn on like when practicing at a range. Most will take minimum of 2 seconds to react if they are not disorient. If the light is 1000 plus lumens, it will temporarily disorient a person for 3 or more seconds which is enough for you to shoot
The advantage of a strobe light is you can show it off or annoy your friends with it. (If you take it off of the gun first obviously) For the average person, this perk will be used much more often than the actual functionality.
Okay, you could at least let me pretend to be Sam Fisher, and, uh, well, Big Boss never had a light as he crawled through the jungles. Ha! I got you this time!
Great vid as always. Carry a handheld light because it’s highly likely that you’ll want to investigate something with the assistance of a light prior to knowing it’s time to get the gun out. Not every noise or movement warrants drawing and using a weapon light. This isn’t an argument against having a light on your gun, but a reason to carry a handheld light in addition to a weapon light. Olight makes great stuff, so get both. I have a Valkyrie and a little S1R Baton that I EDC. PS: Great way to carry the baton is to keep it clipped on the brim of a ball cap. Easy mode! Cheers!
Whenever I think about him being a cop, I think about one that pulled me over. I had just switched from driving a car to a truck, so the feel was a little different and I guess I was speeding a bit. Get pulled over, explain that to the cop, and he goes "Well, there's this thing called a speedometer, they put them in trucks too." If that ain't some shit Mike would say...
That means nothing. I know lots of cops who can’t throw a punch. Cops are not as badass as he makes it seem. Military is a different. They sign up to kill and die.
"what is the CCW pistol light for?" If its 'target id' the question becomes - if you didn't know this person was a threat, how did you draw your weapon and use your CCW light to ID them? Now for a nightstand light its a different story
you don't have to point the gun and light directly at the threat. You can point it down, off to the side, at the wall, at the ceiling, at the sky etc - the light will still illuminate everything around even if it's not pointed directly at something. It's not a laser!
"I don't want to play _House of the Dead,_ I'm trying to do real work here." Yeah, but the kinds of guys who say dumb shit like that _do_ want -- and fully expect -- to be the hero in their own video game.
The strobe light may have been a key factor in the Adam Toledo shooting. @ 4:00 the presenter talks about wanting the most information from the constant light and not intermittent information from the strobe. Having a constant view, rather than an intermittent view, may have better allowed the officer to see the teen drop the gun the split second before the teen raised his hands. Perhaps this is an example of why strobe should not be used.
4:15 I love the fact that someone knows about this classic arcade rail shooter. I feel like HOTD is criminally underrated, I love you even more sir. No homo
Cannot think as to why you wouldnt want a flashlight on your gun but I would like to point out that strobe mode is good for putting flash points on your enemies retinas as the light flicks on and off the opponent will look away trying to shield there eyes and because there moving there head and trying to see the light ends up hitting different parts if the retina and when you run away they can't follow cause there half-blinded I have had to flash my 1500 lumens flash light in a few attackers eyes and they can't give chase cause they can't see very well
First of all there were no lights when l owned my first gun, my uncle bought me a shotgun, ready for this from a Hardware store. I am many moons old, l am going to get a Glock 20, 10mm pistol, l will put a light on it for the woods Upstate in case l get caught out too late, looks like you younger guys love these things.
My favorite parts sometimes are when you get so flustered and your mind melts . Then you start saying half thoughts back to back out of frustration from others stupidity.
Do strobe functions serve a purpose for tactical operations. It depends on certain situations and what type of environment your in. For instance anyone who's ever had a flash camera go off in a darkened room won't be able to see anything for a few moments. And everytime he blinks his eye's he'll see nothing but a bright flashes. And anyone who has experienced it can attest to it. And I'll admit it has a limited use and will only work on a single individual. It serves a purpose. As a retired federal law enforcement officer and a firearms intructor. It serves a limited purpose. And in a darkened environment the iris opens in darkness to absorb light in a attempt to see. And when a strob light or bright light is shined into a persons eyes it temporarily blinds them. So it does have a useful application under certain circumstances. And i understand that some find that a strobe function to be completely wortless. It gives the person a edge and a few seconds advantage. And it could be the difference in your survival. And the brighter the light the more effective it will be. My 450 lumens pocket light will give me a slight edge. And my 3200 lumens light is completely devastating. And my 500 lumens light works well also. And my 1000 lumens light will temporarily blind a person caught in front of it. And it has worked in darkened areas for me on several occasions as a federal law enforcement officer. And I relise it's a controversial subject. And a study might be needed to clear up the effectiveness of useing strobe functions on wespin mounted lights.
If its your only light and you want to light anything up you may have to point the gun at somebody. And for strobe as a LEO (what I am not) yes you may want to get some calm into the situation so strobe can be counterproductive. As an unarmed defender its the opposite.
Dude you have opened my eyes to some wild theories (Always love your videos)! But I actually have a few more things I'd like to bounce off you. I am a fan of WML on HD guns but not necessarily CCW because 1) If you truly have to draw your CCW in an emergency, you probably won't need a light to identify a threat. The threat is imminent and right in front of you. In fact, I've seen lots of people toss out phrases like "You aren't a cop going down alleys or clearing buildings- you are a civilian who's one job is to escape danger / defend life. If you need a light to identify your target then you have already "preemptively" drawn your CCW in a way that looks bad to you in court. They may bring up "questionable intentions" by showcasing you have a WML on a (usually) fully-pimped-out pistol, probably a tactical knife, OC spray, and some other "scary" items to non-gun people". 2) My personal issue with WMLs are that they ruin the 100% seal around the trigger guard: They usually leave a 3-5 mm gap on either side of the trigger! For the same reason that you wouldn't recommend a floppy Uncle Mike's holster, or a leather one, or a cloth holster, I would not recommend Kydex with an open WML trigger especially without a manual thumb safety on the gun. I understand the chances of getting a drawstring in there, under your clothing and under your pants is slim to none, but hey the opportunity exists now and that's not cool to me. 3) If you carry anything besides Glock the holster choices out there drop lightning fast. This is a small point that is moot if you just buy the most popular WMLs, which are popular for their success. Anyway I love the explanation you put out there on strobe light. I would probably not even remember to use that feature so I'm glad that you show which light is better.
I guess it’s personal preference then and it’s not a bad thing. But from what I know from a buddy who cleared hundreds of houses while deployed said that’s all him and his guys ran was strobe lights especially while moving and now I run strobe. It is annoying and I understand both arguments but I guess with training you can adjust to something new or unusual. Great video!
I strongly disagree. We have a real life example of someone who used one in a tactical situation : the New Zealand mosque massacre mass shooter. He used a strobe light on his AR to disorient his victims and even just watching the video it was disorienting to the viewer. It makes it hard to pinpoint the source of the light, makes it hard for a few seconds to understand why there is suddenly a powerful blinking light in your face, plus he is shooting at the same time. So this guy unfortunately used it to great effect. I tried it on me and after a few seconds of exposure to it I tried looking at my pistol sights and there was no way to get a sight picture at all, while with the regular mode I had no trouble seeing my sights. So in a close range firefight that would be another advantage. See in the comments below how an airsoft team had to ask an opponent to stop using strobe mode because it gave him a serious advantage. They had a hard time seeing straight.
strobe mode on torch is one of the most evil thing human ever created.... if anyone ever had it flash in your face in a dark environment you would agree too, its annoying af on both end XD
I have a Pelican 7600 flash light. Bought it in my first year of security work and let me tell you I've grown very attached. I pretty much take it everywhere with me clipped to the inside of my pocket, like your ones there Mike it's also a compact design with a thumb push button on the butt end and 900 luman blinding light. It's saved my ass and made my work so much more comfortable knowing its there all the time. The strobe has never come in useful for anything other than a joke or to use in a dance floor for fun. At first I thought the purchase was recklessly expensive, "more than $20 for a torch!?" I scoffed - naïve me. Yes, it was worth the $180 I paid for it. Now that I've had it and gotten so used to it it's now like an extension of myself, like it's part of my nervous system. I've never clubbed anyone with it, but I've torched plenty of people down, some from a rage with intent to physically attack me and the combination with clear voice command and the blinding light straight in their eyes is both very effective and oddly revealing, because in that moment you're shining 900 lumans of energy light into that persons eyes and they're coming at you, you're getting what feels like the clearest impression of that persons soul. They're scared, maybe hurt and afraid ..like little children which has some beautiful innocence to it. Could just be my way to cope, but this is what keeps me professional.
I recently read a comment where somone was attacked by an aggressive dog. At frist he tried turbo mode what did stoped him but he was still barking at him. When he put strobe on him he did get off.
Title is plain wrong. Recent Azov footage displayed on their channel shows strobe effectiveness in trenches. To te point where it is even unfair to the defender since they are blinded. Something comparable to M1897 in trench Warfare. Shoot and advance, using strobe when on top of them. Deadly AF.
While police, military, or security personnel will conceal carry by using a holster, pocket carry is quickly becoming a preferred mode of concealment, but the handgun has to be small. Adding a light, or even a combo light + laser, sounds like fun, but does it make sense trying to fit the whole shebang into a pocket along with the extra weight pulling down your pants? Eventually with all the added junk, you'll have to sew over the seams in your pockets to ensure the pockets can support all that weight. Iron sites have improved, but trying to sight in during an emergency event is nonsense. You may not be able to extend your arms to take aim, but you might have the time (after lots of practice) to press a button before moving your finger inside the trigger guard. With a belt holster (inside, outside, inside below belt), yeah, a light or light+laser makes a lot of sense. With pocket carry, the small light+laser units, especially those that have the laser exit through the light's bell and lens, could fit inside a pants pocket, but would you want to carry the extra weight all day every day? When picking a pocket pistol, weight is a criteria to consider of which one to pick. Height, width, length, and other physical dimensions are criteria, too. If you have a skinny pocket pistol, but the light bulges out the sides of the slide, imprinting would be horrible, and so would comfort. You carry in a belt holster. The considerations you have for attachments to your pistol are different from those that pocket carry. Concealed carry covers more than just holsters. You're "just don't turn it on" in rebuttal to the argument the light gives you away is funny. That's like the argument as to whether you get handguns with or without safeties. Doesn't matter. Don't limit that limit your choice. Some handgun models don't come safety-less. If you don't like to use a safety then don't. Leave it disengaged, and you'll have the live weapon you want. Just because the safety or light are there doesn't mean The Force is going to punish you for not using them. Many weapon lights like to pronounce that they output 100, 400, or 500 lumens. I can get that level of illumination with a palm-sized hand-held flashlight bought for $7, or less. You're not going to be an intruder's face to flash them with a weapon light. You'll be approaching down a hallway or across a room. I wouldn't rely on a weapon light to illuminate a room to find an intruder. Instead I have a $20 Energizer 1300 lumen tube flashlight next to my handgun to take with me. In the same room, I have a $60 1500 lumen Ryobi spotlight in case of a power outage. Turn those on, and the light is everywhere. I don't even have to point them in the direction I want to look. Both are really far more blinding than a weapon light. Point those in someone eye's, and they'll be occupying their hands to put over their face to block the light, which means they also won't be looking at you. If you're concerned about occupying both hands leaving none to open doors, put a lanyard on the lights. You'll still see the door handle with the light dangling from your wrist while it is on. Also, if an intruder is waiting in the dark to shoot you, a flashlight held high and out to the side has them shooting at the light instead of at you. No, I'm not reciting some ancient tactical manual. I'd rather have someone firing at the light, and even missing it, to avert some of the center mass shots of someone shooting at the light. I'm not looking to not get shot since most intruders are horrible marksmen. I'm looking to survive any shots by the intruder before I can figure out where and if to shoot. What good does a weapon light do held at crouched eye height when the perp is behind a sofa? A light up high can show the perp hiding behind the sofa. Oh, yeah, the weapon light should be at your eye height. Sorry, most gun owners don't get to practice in a live but controlled setting. You could be in a situation where your practiced firing position is just not feasible. A weapon light is for convenience rather than carrying a separate light. You have one with you when the gun is with you. As with the safety or light, you don't have to use them, especially for the weapon light when you have access to a far brighter light. If you're concerned about how much you have weighing down your belt, yeah, a weapon light is great. You can even use it when not using the weapon, like to see the key slot in your car door when in the dark. For home defense, I don't see a weapon light as anything more than a convenience. Other flashlights are far more effective at blinding an intruder, and I never waste time trying to cycle through the lighting options to find the strobe option. As you mention, I don't want the strobe disorienting me, too. The light isn't just hitting the intruder. It hits everyone. I'm not police, military, security, or other type of gun owner wears my weapon on a belt. Most times at home, my attire doesn't even include a belt. A green-dot laser makes more sense for home defense than a weapon light. Sure, add a light + laser but the light is so you don't have to go hunting for a separate light, but then why is the separate light away from your weapon? For pocket carry, I might still add a green-dot laser, but I'd have to ponder over adding the extra weight and space for a weapon light. My pockets are just normal size. For holster carry, yeah, add a weapon light, or just add a pouch for a separate light. For pocket carry, a weapon light might not make sense nor you have the room for one. They've gotten smaller, but not puny. I've never carried using a fanny/belly pack, shoulder pack, and not even ankle holster, so I can't comment on whether or not a weapon light would be feasible under those carry methods. I would think it would be okay considering those other methods have far more space for a weapon light than for pocket carry. For holster carry, load everything you can on the handgun. I don't if the old tactics classes teaching use of a separate light mentioned using it as a baton. Just because someone attacks doesn't mean your only recourse is to shoot them. If they are unarmed, do you really think you're going to hit them in a foot, or somehow just wing them, like in the movies? I'm not the type that kills because someone invaded my home, or steals my TV. Scare them out, then call the police. Or let them haul off the TV. Their life isn't worth the value of my TV. So, I might only want to bash them with a baton, and there are plenty of tactical or heavy-duty flashlights that can used as a baton. Do they no longer issue batons to police, because they were somehow deemed non-useful or hazardous to depend on for self-protection? I still see batons sold as police supplies, and flashlights sold as baton-worthy. Some home owners just use a baseball bat, so why not one that is also a light? Another stupidity with strobing with weapon lights is they strobe too fast. A slower strobe would be more blinding. Your eye react to the strobe, relax to the dark, re-react to the strobe, and repeat. If the person holding the strobing light moves, you don't get to see what they're doing between the strobes. You're not trying to induce epilepsy. You want to blind, and a fast strobe doesn't do that. I always thought strobing was a stupid idea simply because the strobe rate was too fast. After all, I can use a strobing light to walk down stairs, navigate a parking lot, or do the same actions as for a constant light, so I'm not blinded or disoriented. If you were to navigate stairs with a much slower rate, you'd worry more about missing a step.
personally had to use my strobe attatchment on a person and a dog who was sicced on me . strobe light actually caused them to pin themselves to nearest wall while i threatened to shoot if they moved further . just my personal experience we are all different
I was about to comment how I used my strobe to scare a dog off. Not arguing that they need the strobe feature just saying I sorta got use out of it one time, against a dog!
Tactical doctrine of high-lumen, weapon mounted strobe lights does not include the deployment of the light to “disorient” in the manner you describe. They were developed for Close Quarters Battle to allow the shooter to close on the target quickly, taking advantage of saccadic masking. Because of saccadic masking, the target cannot properly judge the distance between them and the shooter. In theory, this allows the shooter to close the gap or retrograde in a linear direction parallel to the orientation of the target. A good example of saccadic masking in a combat sports context is the video of Michael Jai White demonstrating the slow, linear punch to Kimbo Slice.
This biggest detractor of the weapon mounted light is people who misuse it. Searching an area with one, which people think you can do, is grounds for a felony. Like it or not you are pointing a loaded weapon at something and you are liable for who that gets on the other end if you do not have a good reason for it. It's best to have both a weapon mounted one and a pocket flashlight and to utilize each safely and correctly.
if you use a revolver you will be pretty hard pressed to find a weapon light for that. that is pretty much the only reason i see not to have a light on the gun. that and if you dont want to flag someone and just want to use a light, a pen light is pretty convenient. however its better to just have both.
You still need to carry a handheld light, even if you have the weapon mounted light. You can't go around pointing a gun at everything you need to identify.
Excuse I have; My MCK already has a light on it. Plus it would interfere with the use of my MCK if I wanted to use it. I'm not to sure about the gen 3 but I know the gen 1 and 2 MCK don't give an option.
In the state of Idaho, your hunting firearm is prohibited from having either a light or night vision. It's a way of deterring night hunting Wich is also illegal even for pest invasive species. So, you can have lights but not for hunting. Buy both a hunting arm, and personal defense arm.
I hate Olight as a product and company, but everthing you said here is 1000% spot on. The only people who say "don't put a light on your gun," don't know what they're doing.
Great point about strobes. I’m a former LEO and can confirm that serious people (“operators”) 😎 all carry lights on guns for a reason. The biggest Hangup for most civilians is finding good CWP holsters that fit
You’d be surprised how many people don’t understand how disorienting someone makes said person give you wrong information is actually a problem 😂. Stupidity is an epidemic 😂
I think if your light is bright enough, the person you confront might not know for sure you’re holding a gun on them if all they can see is the light. Is there any truth to this or can you definitely tell it’s a gun?
I kind of envisioned coming down my stairs with my light on so i could see what's in front of me with the bad guys on my main level seeing a flashlight comming down the stairs. Regardless, i won't ever be walking around in the dark like a ninja.
One test you didn't do is moving to one side with turbo and then with strobe. The reason I mention that is from others who experimented with this found that with strobe, the 'subject' seeing the light found it harder to detect side movement with strobe. So, if that is true, I'd rather use strobe since it is harder to detect my side movement. Also, modern lights also have a variable strobe, no rhythm. I would tend to think that makes it worse for the person looking at the light.
The only reason not to have a weapon light would be to allow the object to have better concealment. And there's also the certain factor of not messing with classics
This guy has obviously never been to a party or somewhere with good strobe lights, they literally make things and movements look like slow motion, do to the rapid flash and how your brain/eyes process things that you see
The strobe light is great when your attacker has photo-sensitive epilepsy lol
Just let me know if my elderly mom attacks you then... I'll come get her right away...🤣
they dont even need weapons if afghanistan anymore. They just fly a heli with a big strobe light over the bad guys camp
Strobe force-enduces epilepsy in people with no prior symptoms
this legitimately made me laugh
You are lucky if that is the case.
Shoots burglar in the foot
Burglar: huh who's there? Huh must've been the wind
Sounds like Skyrim lol
3:25 "Do you know what else is really disorienting?" *Me: Imagining getting shot multiple times*
Strobe is most effective for indirectly lighting a room with a hand held light. Makes it hard for bad guys to pin point where the light is if you are moving it all around in a sideways figure 8. It’s very effective, especially if you are moving.
Why would you be moving like that in a room tho😂
@@coolman54061 ...YOU wouldn’t be moving like that... YOU would be moving in a straight line. The flash light is moving in a fig8 pattern while YOU are moving in a straight line.
@@agmsmith4079 ohhh. Bruh I was legit like this mans doing a whole square dance routine when someone breaks in his house😂that’s so trippy on the eyes tho I’d rather just be able to temporarily blind someone with a super bright light
@@coolman54061 ...people shoot at the light. If you try to blind someone 9 times out of 10 you become a bullet sponge. Flashing the room with indirect light let’s you see the whole room without giving the bad guy a nice shiny bright target to unload on. Try it next time you do force on force training in a shoot house. Tell them to turn all the lights off and do a run through the shoot house in darkness with only a flashlight. You’ll see what I’m talking about. If you are trying to just spotlight areas and you come across the bad guy... you will lose the gunfight instantly. If you are flashing the rooms and hallways indirectly you’ll see where he is and can shoot at him while you are moving in darkness and you won’t be giving him a big bright target on your chest to shoot at.
@@coolman54061 ... another nice trick that works like a charm is to use a spotlight decoy ambush. That also works great. Setup a flashlight pointing at an entryway... then crouch in the darkest corner in the room perpendicular to the doorway. Bad gun runs in and will immediately start shooting at the light thinking you must be behind it, holding on to it. You then shoot him from the side. I’ve actually done this in rooms with all the lights on and it still works. You need to use a brighter flashlight (like 1000 lumens). I did it in a simulated office active shooter scenario. One student in the Force on force class was acting as the shooter. I setup an ambush in a conference room, I put my super bright flashlight on the overhead projector in the middle of the conference table aimed right at the doorway, I hid off to the left wall between some chairs. Shooter kicked the door open and came into the room unloading on the flashlight. It was so bright that he said he couldn’t really see anything else in the room even though all the lights were on in the conference room. I hit him 10 times in about 2 or 3 seconds from where I was hiding off to the side. He had no idea where I was until the instructor turned off the flashlight and he was able to look around the room.
The military did study on strobe lights for non lethal force. Apparently aside from ruining other people’s night vision and giving you vision, a certain frequency can induce a physiological response. Supposedly they cause a stunning effect similar to a flash bang where you overwhelm their senses.
It's called flicker vertigo! In flight school they taught us to be careful when looking through the main front blades in bright conditions. The sunlight can strobe and it can be pretty disorienting
What speed is it
@@anti1training I don’t remember it’s a long time since I heard about it. But honestly a really bright light enough to “stun.” I use “stun” because it’s like a second, not super long but enough for you to get an advantage.
@@allstarwoo4 Thanks for the info!
@@allstarwoo4 thank you for the information shared. One question, do you think there is in the market a strobe defence system as powerful as a welding light or a powerful light beam such as when power lines break or touch a foreign object that create this massive shinning of uv light? How damaging do you think it can be for the aggressor in short term for his eye sight or night vision, maybe it can create some permanent damage to his retina? Or I am wrong?
They actually work great when you use them with a tactical glow stick mount and a semi-automatic PEZ molly dispenser.
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Does the glow stick have a strobe setting tho
LIES
"When you're Rainbow Sixin through your house" LOLOLOL
Very relatable
As a former DEA agent I’m at a crossroads…I completely understand and respect what you’re saying about the strobe, however from my experience out in the field, I’ve used the strobe many of times during raids, etc. and always loved it. There was a difference between the regular light and the strobe in not only the bodily reaction of the bad guy, but also their facial reaction…always dazed and disoriented…always! I even know a SWAT commander who always insisted on the strobes from all his men (depending on the situation of course). It was just different and really hard to explain. I guess to each his own as they say, but I personally enjoyed it during my tenure with the DEA and glad that was an option.
Please don't confiscate my drugs
@@bonktonk74 Ha ha. “Former” was the key word 😝 Don’t worry brotha…you’re all good!
@@DamageLLC How many crooked DEA guys do you think are out there? Seems like a lot of money to be made in that area. I imagine the temptation is too much for some folks, especially on a gov't salary.
@@mr.frandy7692 Sorry this is an adult conversation. Go play outside little man.
@@DamageLLC Haha, oh you were one of em. That makes sense why you're so defensive. Give me a fuckin break.
I'd use my strobe to disorient them, then I'd just GO TO THE BODY !!
Well if there's a light on the frame rail where do I mount my pistol bayonet?
Just stick the bayonet on the underslung grenade launcher of your pistol!
I would recommend shoving the bayonet into the barrel much like the rifles grenades of old. This allows you to bayonet your foes from far greater ranges and with much more speed and surprise.
@@54capnmerica83 well if they'd just make bayonet rounds I'd be able to shoot 17 bayonets in a row without reloading!
Yeah I hate when companies put strobe mode on everything. I have about a total of 400 house entries in combat and never once found a situation where I wish I had a strobe. Yeah a strobe is a bit disorienting, but so is 1,000 plus lumens in your eyeballs.
I don’t have the experience you do, I’m a civilian, so I know my place, but would a blinking light of the same lumens not be more effective in your opinion again an unknowing target? Yes a bright ass flashlight shined in my face will make me immediately recoil and turn away from the person shining it, so I don’t see why a strobe wouldn’t be more advantageous.
@@X.L.B1, I’ve tested multiple lights under different conditions (from both sides of the light). Yes I’d say a strobe SLIGHTLY increases the effects of a given intensity of light. The problem is it’s a marginal improvement and as the light intensity increases the improvement decreases but the deficit that it imposes on the user increases. Also quite significant is that viewing someone under a strobe really makes it harder to quickly and accurately recognize their movements.
This changed my whole outlook on strobe. Makes so much sense. @50 Stitches Steel the man.
@Brandon Andrews Yeah, it can mess with your vision and sense of movement almost as much as the guy getting strobed... The only way I see it somewhat working is if a light went strobe for like 1 or 2 seconds then went directly to constant on. Even that though is trying to make it work. I still prefer constant on where I have full control over how long the light stays on. Alot of times you just want brief light until the threat is down and then lights off as soon as possible. If you ever been standing outside of a house being gone through by people with lights in the middle of the night, it can draw attention that something is going on in this house.
@@tonyd9799 make me thinking how about produce a torch could be regular and strobe at the sametime with dual or more leds..
Strobe lights tho make your pupils dilate and contract continuously when your in the dark which can make the enemy disoriented, constant light is good but the pupils will always be dilated if you do keep flashing the light at their face. Take your phone and spam the flashlight button towards your face and try with constant light and compare the difference. Either way both are fine
The strobe flickers faster than your pupils can adjust.
Theoretically, but your brain can compensate for the constant pattern.
Like Gestalt features
Take your phone, spam the flashlight pattern, and see if you can still punch your phone
Not only do I have a light on my gun, I want a light on my light so I can light up the light while I light with my light 🔦
Have you had someone run at you with a strobe light? Your depth persecution goes out the window
"Must be the wind"
well someone's played skyrim 😂
I felt splinter cell on that😂
Most funniest scene of this video 🤣
Played paintball in a pretty dark building against someone with a strobe once and it was pretty disorienting. We ended up asking him not to use it. Tbf though I didn’t play against someone with a normal touch for comparison.
Using that strobe while playing the game is cheating.
@@MrMJmusicLover I mean is it? It gives them the advantage
Exactly. This guy does not know what he's talking about.
One counterargument I've heard with having the light separate from the gun is that there is the possibility of the noise you hear in your house is not a threat, like a family member or your dog. They say that the weapon-mounted light makes it more likely that you will point your gun at something that you don't want to destroy. Thoughts?
Was thinking about this... then I realized I could just carry a dedicated light as well.
Well, that's why you train.
Imagine that you hear a noise and you go to investigate, then you shine a light on an armed intruder. Now you'll have to either raise and point your weapon or unfold it first to face the threat, losing precious time and risking your life.
Now picture the same situation but you point your gun mounted flashlight just to find your daughter who woke up to grab a snack. You'll put the gun down, and scold her, telling her to turn on the lights when she goes around the house at night.
If you're so trigger happy that you're afraid of that situation, you shouldn't have a gun until you trained more. You only put your finger in the trigger once you've identified what you're aiming to and decided to shoot.
@@paperrain09 But If you have a second light for that anyhow you dont need one on your gun.
That's why you illuminate the room by pointing it at the ceiling
@@moteroargentino7944 This is interesting. You are the first person on the internet I've seen recommend it this way. I feel like every scenario would warrant a different reaction. I hope not every one of you grabs a gun for any bump in the night- that's almost guaranteed to have your teenager at the end of a barrel every week. I believe prudent people are more likely to escalate their threat mindset up and down a notch depending on what the sound was. If its 11 pm and you hear a bump in the kitchen, go check it out with a flashlight and gun. If its 2 am and you hear a door or window getting literally kicked in, go check that out with your WML. But to say that one or the other is useless? That's dealing in extremes and that's never wise...
A strobe feature is designed to produce disorientation without necessarily creating a blinding effect, it's a extra feature for self defense besides the blinding light and the use of the flashlight as a impact weapon...
I just think you missed the point with the ”giving your position away”-argument. It’s not a thing when it comes to home defence but when it comes to a military/militia setting: any kind of white light for only a second will let anybody in the vicinity know where you are regardless if it’s a deep forrest or a building.
A practical example of a weapon light being a detriment was when my platoon was issued weapon-lights for perimeter patrols. The patrols walked around the installation shining at the bushes so that anyone who came up to that place knew exactly where the patrol was.
I do believe he referred to a home defense situation. In the field, what you said makes absolute sense. That's probably why flares and night vision are used, I presume. To see without giving away your position.
@@moteroargentino7944 yes, in my experience flares are for fighting and night vision is for non-combat stuff like guarding or recon.
Most guns are hard to fire while wearing night vision and you get really poor depth perception. The are not all they are cracked up to be.
But on the point of home defence, the generall argument for a light seems to be That otherwise you could shoot the wrong person. Most people do not have a super tactical weaponlight and yet the number of cases in the US where inocents get shot by legal gun owners inside their homes is statistically less common than people who has been hit buy lightning three times during their life.
For self defense, unless you are running around with NVG's in your house, you're likely as blind as the bad guy if you aren't using light. The advantage you have, is operating from a defensive position (so you can be stationary), and knowing the layout. Add in any back lighting that may silhouette them, and you can have a decent idea of where they are. You still need to identify the target before you are legally and morally justified in shooting it, and that's where tons of the stories of family members and friends getting shot on accident comes from. If you have them dead to rights, turning on a flashlight, weapon mounted or not, really isn't going to change much, except to positively identify a threat justifying the use of deadly force, or realizing that it's your teenage son sneaking back in the house after getting busy with the girl down the street. If you think he still needs to be shot, I guess that's your call at that point.
Sorry son you knew the rules when you broke em "blam blam blam"
If you're moving laterally with the strobe activated, it would be incredibly hard to pace or lead you
You know what would make it even harder to pace or lead you? Not turning your light at all. You have the power to not turn the light on.
@@Yurkevich22 uh... disagree
@@Codeeez I mean assuming you are in a dark place. I'm comparing tracking a moving strobing light to tracking something that you almost or completely cant see in darkness
@@Yurkevich22 on one side youre completely blinded, night vision destroyed, trying to stare past 1500 lumens, maybe popping off rounds in the general direction, but the light is moving. The other side has now illuminated the target, is moving off the x, and firing on an identified target. It's not even worth arguing over. If you think you have better chances on an even playing field, then do you boo boo
@@Codeeez it sounds like you are arguing from a military or LE point of view. Yeah, I agree then. I think the discussion here is more about a civilian defensive scenario though, where your opponent is not going to have night vision, etc.
What do you mean the strobe doesnt work? Its essential! How else can I look cool when moving in the dark?
Since you didn’t mention it in this video I feel like I should mention that if you have a weapon light you still need a handheld light because sometimes you shouldn’t point a gun at what you can’t identify
Yes, a small handheld flashlight is a must in your EDC; and no, you *should* point a gun at what you can't identify (possible threat) and then decide whether to shoot or not once you know what's in front of you.
Grilin18 Exactly that concept means nothing when you're using an AR platform rifle for a self defense situation. Ya my bad I meant to reply to the original poster, I went wtf?
@@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329 So you're walking your dog around the block you hear the noise on the other side of a car that doesn't sound good you're going to use your flashlight on the gun to identify what it is a good way to get shot or get arrested when it's just somebody getting out of their car
@@wildwoody20 Ya I agree with you I meant to reply to the original comment from Grilin18.
Guess what, you don't have to point your weapon at something/someone when using a weapon-mounted light. Lights have flood/spill, so you can just point the gun at the ground, turn the light on and it will still illuminate everything around without directly pointing the gun at that person/object.
Special forces in my country use strobe lights on tactical shields as well. Massive multiple sets of lights. I think it does the job FOR THEM if they are using it.
Strobe is great for temporarily blinding and disorienting someone so you can get away. Its not for kicking in doors
I watched your entire video, and you did nothing to convince me. The flashlight still gives away your position, and a perp can simply shoot at the flashlight, even if they cannot see any other thing. Second, if strobe is so stupid, why do special forces (Russian, for example) go an extra mile and put strobes on their assault shileds?
Exactly. I was kinda with him up untill he said that the strobe is worthless and a regular light was more disabilitating. I mean what a f****** tard. The strobe is extremely effective when it comes to disabling an enemy because your pupils aren't able to process that type of flux and causes a rapid and excessive amount of fluctuation which in turn makes extremely difficult to successfully carry out any kind of action other than covering your eyes. For instance if you ever go to the eye doctor they shine a bright ass light directly into your eyes for quite a long time doesn't really bother you but just imagine if that light was strobing you be begging for them to turn it off.
You don't have to turn it on if you worry about giving away your position. Also, it would be wise to immediately move after turning the light on and off.
Momentary mode to quickly identify then move when off. The Momentary on is as quick as your thumb pressing and releasing. On, identify ,shoot, off, move. No one in this world is quick enough to see light and shoot within a second unless someone is already expecting a gun light to turn on like when practicing at a range. Most will take minimum of 2 seconds to react if they are not disorient. If the light is 1000 plus lumens, it will temporarily disorient a person for 3 or more seconds which is enough for you to shoot
If you ever danced in a strobe light you know your brain needs about 3 seconds to adjust to what the hell is going on
The advantage of a strobe light is you can show it off or annoy your friends with it. (If you take it off of the gun first obviously) For the average person, this perk will be used much more often than the actual functionality.
Okay, you could at least let me pretend to be Sam Fisher, and, uh, well, Big Boss never had a light as he crawled through the jungles. Ha! I got you this time!
The strobe light does nothing, Unless you're prone to seizures 😂
Great vid as always. Carry a handheld light because it’s highly likely that you’ll want to investigate something with the assistance of a light prior to knowing it’s time to get the gun out. Not every noise or movement warrants drawing and using a weapon light. This isn’t an argument against having a light on your gun, but a reason to carry a handheld light in addition to a weapon light. Olight makes great stuff, so get both. I have a Valkyrie and a little S1R Baton that I EDC.
PS: Great way to carry the baton is to keep it clipped on the brim of a ball cap. Easy mode! Cheers!
Lol strobe lights
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damn, sometimes i forget that mike was a cop
Whenever I think about him being a cop, I think about one that pulled me over. I had just switched from driving a car to a truck, so the feel was a little different and I guess I was speeding a bit. Get pulled over, explain that to the cop, and he goes "Well, there's this thing called a speedometer, they put them in trucks too."
If that ain't some shit Mike would say...
@@jacobstewart2235 Did he let you off?
That means nothing. I know lots of cops who can’t throw a punch. Cops are not as badass as he makes it seem. Military is a different. They sign up to kill and die.
"what is the CCW pistol light for?"
If its 'target id' the question becomes - if you didn't know this person was a threat, how did you draw your weapon and use your CCW light to ID them?
Now for a nightstand light its a different story
"Precisely because I didn't know, thus there's a chance they ARE a threat."
you don't have to point the gun and light directly at the threat. You can point it down, off to the side, at the wall, at the ceiling, at the sky etc - the light will still illuminate everything around even if it's not pointed directly at something. It's not a laser!
@@moteroargentino7944 You don’t pull your gun until you KNOW they’re a threat.
"I don't want to play _House of the Dead,_ I'm trying to do real work here."
Yeah, but the kinds of guys who say dumb shit like that _do_ want -- and fully expect -- to be the hero in their own video game.
I laugh so much watching your vids. I predict one day you will be offered a TV show.
5:08 that's truly something to be scared of
I really like how streamline that setup is.
“Strobe does nothing”
4:11 “this is disorienting to me”
And it wouldn’t be more disorienting to the person the light is pointing at?
The strobe light may have been a key factor in the Adam Toledo shooting.
@ 4:00 the presenter talks about wanting the most information from the constant light and not intermittent information from the strobe.
Having a constant view, rather than an intermittent view, may have better allowed the officer to see the teen drop the gun the split second before the teen raised his hands.
Perhaps this is an example of why strobe should not be used.
Excellent point. The strobe second would have helped with the information.
This is my issue with the strobe, not only do you lose some awareness as stated, but they’re also apt to disorient the user a bit as well.
My best argument, if I bought everything I wanted to have, I'd be broke. Being broke is more dangerous than not having a light on my pistol.
Not to mention, when you don’t have the cash for a light and training ammo training ammo is much more beneficial.
4:15 I love the fact that someone knows about this classic arcade rail shooter. I feel like HOTD is criminally underrated, I love you even more sir. No homo
Cannot think as to why you wouldnt want a flashlight on your gun but I would like to point out that strobe mode is good for putting flash points on your enemies retinas as the light flicks on and off the opponent will look away trying to shield there eyes and because there moving there head and trying to see the light ends up hitting different parts if the retina and when you run away they can't follow cause there half-blinded I have had to flash my 1500 lumens flash light in a few attackers eyes and they can't give chase cause they can't see very well
First of all there were no lights when l owned my first gun, my uncle bought me a shotgun, ready for this from a Hardware store. I am many moons old, l am going to get a Glock 20, 10mm pistol, l will put a light on it for the woods Upstate in case l get caught out too late, looks like you younger guys love these things.
My favorite parts sometimes are when you get so flustered and your mind melts . Then you start saying half thoughts back to back out of frustration from others stupidity.
Do strobe functions serve a purpose for tactical operations. It depends on certain situations and what type of environment your in. For instance anyone who's ever had a flash camera go off in a darkened room won't be able to see anything for a few moments. And everytime he blinks his eye's he'll see nothing but a bright flashes. And anyone who has experienced it can attest to it. And I'll admit it has a limited use and will only work on a single individual. It serves a purpose. As a retired federal law enforcement officer and a firearms intructor. It serves a limited purpose. And in a darkened environment the iris opens in darkness to absorb light in a attempt to see. And when a strob light or bright light is shined into a persons eyes it temporarily blinds them. So it does have a useful application under certain circumstances. And i understand that some find that a strobe function to be completely wortless. It gives the person a edge and a few seconds advantage. And it could be the difference in your survival. And the brighter the light the more effective it will be. My 450 lumens pocket light will give me a slight edge. And my 3200 lumens light is completely devastating. And my 500 lumens light works well also. And my 1000 lumens light will temporarily blind a person caught in front of it. And it has worked in darkened areas for me on several occasions as a federal law enforcement officer. And I relise it's a controversial subject. And a study might be needed to clear up the effectiveness of useing strobe functions on wespin mounted lights.
If its your only light and you want to light anything up you may have to point the gun at somebody. And for strobe as a LEO (what I am not) yes you may want to get some calm into the situation so strobe can be counterproductive. As an unarmed defender its the opposite.
No argument, just doesn’t fit on my Bullpup and conceal-ability is more important for my CCW than a light.
Dude you have opened my eyes to some wild theories (Always love your videos)! But I actually have a few more things I'd like to bounce off you. I am a fan of WML on HD guns but not necessarily CCW because 1) If you truly have to draw your CCW in an emergency, you probably won't need a light to identify a threat. The threat is imminent and right in front of you. In fact, I've seen lots of people toss out phrases like "You aren't a cop going down alleys or clearing buildings- you are a civilian who's one job is to escape danger / defend life. If you need a light to identify your target then you have already "preemptively" drawn your CCW in a way that looks bad to you in court. They may bring up "questionable intentions" by showcasing you have a WML on a (usually) fully-pimped-out pistol, probably a tactical knife, OC spray, and some other "scary" items to non-gun people". 2) My personal issue with WMLs are that they ruin the 100% seal around the trigger guard: They usually leave a 3-5 mm gap on either side of the trigger! For the same reason that you wouldn't recommend a floppy Uncle Mike's holster, or a leather one, or a cloth holster, I would not recommend Kydex with an open WML trigger especially without a manual thumb safety on the gun. I understand the chances of getting a drawstring in there, under your clothing and under your pants is slim to none, but hey the opportunity exists now and that's not cool to me. 3) If you carry anything besides Glock the holster choices out there drop lightning fast. This is a small point that is moot if you just buy the most popular WMLs, which are popular for their success.
Anyway I love the explanation you put out there on strobe light. I would probably not even remember to use that feature so I'm glad that you show which light is better.
Tactical strobe light, immediately spawns tactical electro viking 😂
I guess it’s personal preference then and it’s not a bad thing. But from what I know from a buddy who cleared hundreds of houses while deployed said that’s all him and his guys ran was strobe lights especially while moving and now I run strobe. It is annoying and I understand both arguments but I guess with training you can adjust to something new or unusual. Great video!
I strongly disagree. We have a real life example of someone who used one in a tactical situation : the New Zealand mosque massacre mass shooter. He used a strobe light on his AR to disorient his victims and even just watching the video it was disorienting to the viewer. It makes it hard to pinpoint the source of the light, makes it hard for a few seconds to understand why there is suddenly a powerful blinking light in your face, plus he is shooting at the same time. So this guy unfortunately used it to great effect. I tried it on me and after a few seconds of exposure to it I tried looking at my pistol sights and there was no way to get a sight picture at all, while with the regular mode I had no trouble seeing my sights. So in a close range firefight that would be another advantage. See in the comments below how an airsoft team had to ask an opponent to stop using strobe mode because it gave him a serious advantage. They had a hard time seeing straight.
strobe mode on torch is one of the most evil thing human ever created....
if anyone ever had it flash in your face in a dark environment you would agree too, its annoying af on both end XD
You: Get on the Ground now!
Bad Guy: No my only weakness a StroBE LIGHT aaahhhhhhh!
I have a Pelican 7600 flash light. Bought it in my first year of security work and let me tell you I've grown very attached. I pretty much take it everywhere with me clipped to the inside of my pocket, like your ones there Mike it's also a compact design with a thumb push button on the butt end and 900 luman blinding light. It's saved my ass and made my work so much more comfortable knowing its there all the time. The strobe has never come in useful for anything other than a joke or to use in a dance floor for fun. At first I thought the purchase was recklessly expensive, "more than $20 for a torch!?" I scoffed - naïve me. Yes, it was worth the $180 I paid for it. Now that I've had it and gotten so used to it it's now like an extension of myself, like it's part of my nervous system. I've never clubbed anyone with it, but I've torched plenty of people down, some from a rage with intent to physically attack me and the combination with clear voice command and the blinding light straight in their eyes is both very effective and oddly revealing, because in that moment you're shining 900 lumans of energy light into that persons eyes and they're coming at you, you're getting what feels like the clearest impression of that persons soul. They're scared, maybe hurt and afraid ..like little children which has some beautiful innocence to it. Could just be my way to cope, but this is what keeps me professional.
I recently read a comment where somone was attacked by an aggressive dog. At frist he tried turbo mode what did stoped him but he was still barking at him. When he put strobe on him he did get off.
4:07 is totally my favorite point lol
I could watch this part in a loop
What would you say about 10000 lumens flashlight and its ability to scare away an attacker ( human or animal ) ? Thanks in advance.
Thank you sir. Now go tell some gun store owners that. Because they think they know everything.
your imitation of video game bad guys patrolling is fucking gold
If anything a strobe light would hinder the person using it, it would be harder to hit a target lol
It is used to disorient your attacker If your out doors not so good but close quarters It’s a great tool
Title is plain wrong. Recent Azov footage displayed on their channel shows strobe effectiveness in trenches.
To te point where it is even unfair to the defender since they are blinded. Something comparable to M1897 in trench Warfare.
Shoot and advance, using strobe when on top of them. Deadly AF.
My best argument for no weapon light...I don't want to buy a new holster lol
MUH TACTICLE STROKE LIGHT! HAHAHA. GOT ME BALLED LAUGHING.
I'm with you, I love my flashlights, I use them on my EDC weapons along with a stungun flashlight on my belt as well.
While police, military, or security personnel will conceal carry by using a holster, pocket carry is quickly becoming a preferred mode of concealment, but the handgun has to be small. Adding a light, or even a combo light + laser, sounds like fun, but does it make sense trying to fit the whole shebang into a pocket along with the extra weight pulling down your pants? Eventually with all the added junk, you'll have to sew over the seams in your pockets to ensure the pockets can support all that weight. Iron sites have improved, but trying to sight in during an emergency event is nonsense. You may not be able to extend your arms to take aim, but you might have the time (after lots of practice) to press a button before moving your finger inside the trigger guard. With a belt holster (inside, outside, inside below belt), yeah, a light or light+laser makes a lot of sense. With pocket carry, the small light+laser units, especially those that have the laser exit through the light's bell and lens, could fit inside a pants pocket, but would you want to carry the extra weight all day every day? When picking a pocket pistol, weight is a criteria to consider of which one to pick. Height, width, length, and other physical dimensions are criteria, too. If you have a skinny pocket pistol, but the light bulges out the sides of the slide, imprinting would be horrible, and so would comfort. You carry in a belt holster. The considerations you have for attachments to your pistol are different from those that pocket carry. Concealed carry covers more than just holsters.
You're "just don't turn it on" in rebuttal to the argument the light gives you away is funny. That's like the argument as to whether you get handguns with or without safeties. Doesn't matter. Don't limit that limit your choice. Some handgun models don't come safety-less. If you don't like to use a safety then don't. Leave it disengaged, and you'll have the live weapon you want. Just because the safety or light are there doesn't mean The Force is going to punish you for not using them.
Many weapon lights like to pronounce that they output 100, 400, or 500 lumens. I can get that level of illumination with a palm-sized hand-held flashlight bought for $7, or less. You're not going to be an intruder's face to flash them with a weapon light. You'll be approaching down a hallway or across a room. I wouldn't rely on a weapon light to illuminate a room to find an intruder. Instead I have a $20 Energizer 1300 lumen tube flashlight next to my handgun to take with me. In the same room, I have a $60 1500 lumen Ryobi spotlight in case of a power outage. Turn those on, and the light is everywhere. I don't even have to point them in the direction I want to look. Both are really far more blinding than a weapon light. Point those in someone eye's, and they'll be occupying their hands to put over their face to block the light, which means they also won't be looking at you. If you're concerned about occupying both hands leaving none to open doors, put a lanyard on the lights. You'll still see the door handle with the light dangling from your wrist while it is on. Also, if an intruder is waiting in the dark to shoot you, a flashlight held high and out to the side has them shooting at the light instead of at you. No, I'm not reciting some ancient tactical manual. I'd rather have someone firing at the light, and even missing it, to avert some of the center mass shots of someone shooting at the light. I'm not looking to not get shot since most intruders are horrible marksmen. I'm looking to survive any shots by the intruder before I can figure out where and if to shoot. What good does a weapon light do held at crouched eye height when the perp is behind a sofa? A light up high can show the perp hiding behind the sofa. Oh, yeah, the weapon light should be at your eye height. Sorry, most gun owners don't get to practice in a live but controlled setting. You could be in a situation where your practiced firing position is just not feasible.
A weapon light is for convenience rather than carrying a separate light. You have one with you when the gun is with you. As with the safety or light, you don't have to use them, especially for the weapon light when you have access to a far brighter light. If you're concerned about how much you have weighing down your belt, yeah, a weapon light is great. You can even use it when not using the weapon, like to see the key slot in your car door when in the dark. For home defense, I don't see a weapon light as anything more than a convenience. Other flashlights are far more effective at blinding an intruder, and I never waste time trying to cycle through the lighting options to find the strobe option. As you mention, I don't want the strobe disorienting me, too. The light isn't just hitting the intruder. It hits everyone.
I'm not police, military, security, or other type of gun owner wears my weapon on a belt. Most times at home, my attire doesn't even include a belt. A green-dot laser makes more sense for home defense than a weapon light. Sure, add a light + laser but the light is so you don't have to go hunting for a separate light, but then why is the separate light away from your weapon? For pocket carry, I might still add a green-dot laser, but I'd have to ponder over adding the extra weight and space for a weapon light. My pockets are just normal size. For holster carry, yeah, add a weapon light, or just add a pouch for a separate light. For pocket carry, a weapon light might not make sense nor you have the room for one. They've gotten smaller, but not puny. I've never carried using a fanny/belly pack, shoulder pack, and not even ankle holster, so I can't comment on whether or not a weapon light would be feasible under those carry methods. I would think it would be okay considering those other methods have far more space for a weapon light than for pocket carry. For holster carry, load everything you can on the handgun.
I don't if the old tactics classes teaching use of a separate light mentioned using it as a baton. Just because someone attacks doesn't mean your only recourse is to shoot them. If they are unarmed, do you really think you're going to hit them in a foot, or somehow just wing them, like in the movies? I'm not the type that kills because someone invaded my home, or steals my TV. Scare them out, then call the police. Or let them haul off the TV. Their life isn't worth the value of my TV. So, I might only want to bash them with a baton, and there are plenty of tactical or heavy-duty flashlights that can used as a baton. Do they no longer issue batons to police, because they were somehow deemed non-useful or hazardous to depend on for self-protection? I still see batons sold as police supplies, and flashlights sold as baton-worthy. Some home owners just use a baseball bat, so why not one that is also a light?
Another stupidity with strobing with weapon lights is they strobe too fast. A slower strobe would be more blinding. Your eye react to the strobe, relax to the dark, re-react to the strobe, and repeat. If the person holding the strobing light moves, you don't get to see what they're doing between the strobes. You're not trying to induce epilepsy. You want to blind, and a fast strobe doesn't do that. I always thought strobing was a stupid idea simply because the strobe rate was too fast. After all, I can use a strobing light to walk down stairs, navigate a parking lot, or do the same actions as for a constant light, so I'm not blinded or disoriented. If you were to navigate stairs with a much slower rate, you'd worry more about missing a step.
Nice vid bro. I agree with the strobe light not being great
But what if you’re in a mirror maze on a Kung Fu death match island?!?
I need to eat popcorn with my other hand. That part got me.
In the military I was pretty anti-gunlights, I think for that it's still iffy, but for personal defence and law enforcement you've swayed my opinion.
personally had to use my strobe attatchment on a person and a dog who was sicced on me . strobe light actually caused them to pin themselves to nearest wall while i threatened to shoot if they moved further . just my personal experience we are all different
I was about to comment how I used my strobe to scare a dog off. Not arguing that they need the strobe feature just saying I sorta got use out of it one time, against a dog!
Tactical doctrine of high-lumen, weapon mounted strobe lights does not include the deployment of the light to “disorient” in the manner you describe.
They were developed for Close Quarters Battle to allow the shooter to close on the target quickly, taking advantage of saccadic masking.
Because of saccadic masking, the target cannot properly judge the distance between them and the shooter. In theory, this allows the shooter to close the gap or retrograde in a linear direction parallel to the orientation of the target. A good example of saccadic masking in a combat sports context is the video of Michael Jai White demonstrating the slow, linear punch to Kimbo Slice.
I already have 3 holsters and none of them take a weapon light. That's my reason
This biggest detractor of the weapon mounted light is people who misuse it. Searching an area with one, which people think you can do, is grounds for a felony. Like it or not you are pointing a loaded weapon at something and you are liable for who that gets on the other end if you do not have a good reason for it. It's best to have both a weapon mounted one and a pocket flashlight and to utilize each safely and correctly.
Why I wouldn’t want it
-Desire to take on the bad guys on legend difficulty
-I am really cheap
if you use a revolver you will be pretty hard pressed to find a weapon light for that. that is pretty much the only reason i see not to have a light on the gun.
that and if you dont want to flag someone and just want to use a light, a pen light is pretty convenient. however its better to just have both.
I would imagine having a light on your gun would be pretty good against someone with a knife. Makes it harder for them to charge at you.
You open doors with your free hand? That's silly...just kick 'em down!
You still need to carry a handheld light, even if you have the weapon mounted light. You can't go around pointing a gun at everything you need to identify.
If you're in a situation where what you want to identify may shoot at you, yes, you need to.
Excuse I have;
My MCK already has a light on it. Plus it would interfere with the use of my MCK if I wanted to use it. I'm not to sure about the gen 3 but I know the gen 1 and 2 MCK don't give an option.
In the state of Idaho, your hunting firearm is prohibited from having either a light or night vision.
It's a way of deterring night hunting Wich is also illegal even for pest invasive species.
So, you can have lights but not for hunting.
Buy both a hunting arm, and personal defense arm.
I hate Olight as a product and company, but everthing you said here is 1000% spot on. The only people who say "don't put a light on your gun," don't know what they're doing.
Great point about strobes. I’m a former LEO and can confirm that serious people (“operators”) 😎 all carry lights on guns for a reason. The biggest Hangup for most civilians is finding good CWP holsters that fit
This same guy (hard2hurt) has a video out about how great the strobe light is. What the fuck. Which is it?
yea, he contradicts himself alot
lol I’m watching this ten minutes after installing a SLR-7 sub (with strobe) on my EDC.
You’d be surprised how many people don’t understand how disorienting someone makes said person give you wrong information is actually a problem 😂.
Stupidity is an epidemic 😂
The reason you don't want a light on your gun is it draws energy and therefore makes your bullets slower
False. The bullet enters the light stream and the current pushes it even faster.
@@hard2hurt I cannot argue with this. I will turn my light on myself. Goodbye cruel world!
@@hard2hurt
Except for when someone shoot towards the light source. Which is why you want a weapon light.
I think if your light is bright enough, the person you confront might not know for sure you’re holding a gun on them if all they can see is the light. Is there any truth to this or can you definitely tell it’s a gun?
Amen Brother, I unequivocally agree, get a weapon light.
The bad guy in a video game was point on. 😂💀 Reminds me of Metal Gear Solid
I kind of envisioned coming down my stairs with my light on so i could see what's in front of me with the bad guys on my main level seeing a flashlight comming down the stairs. Regardless, i won't ever be walking around in the dark like a ninja.
One test you didn't do is moving to one side with turbo and then with strobe. The reason I mention that is from others who experimented with this found that with strobe, the 'subject' seeing the light found it harder to detect side movement with strobe. So, if that is true, I'd rather use strobe since it is harder to detect my side movement. Also, modern lights also have a variable strobe, no rhythm. I would tend to think that makes it worse for the person looking at the light.
Revolvers are such great EDC but can’t find lights for them anymore.
3 years later and this vid made my day
Wouldn't a laser pointer be more intimidating perhaps worse if pointed into the eyes?
But it doesn't help you see what is going on in a dark area...
The only reason not to have a weapon light would be to allow the object to have better concealment. And there's also the certain factor of not messing with classics
I prefer strobe for distraction
Hart2hurt"...hiw does someone who thinks like that find the internet..."
POV:"Welll...maybe the internet has the strobe light switched on, probably?"
This guy has obviously never been to a party or somewhere with good strobe lights, they literally make things and movements look like slow motion, do to the rapid flash and how your brain/eyes process things that you see
This is so underrated. This video is priceless