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  • For the last few days much of the discussion of the MTG Historic format has revolved around whether or not Field of the Dead needs to be banned now that Hour of Promise is in the format thanks to Amonkhet Remastered. Just how broken is the deck? Should it be banned? Let's play it and find out!
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    0:00 Start
    0:44 Deck Tech/Intro
    4:53 Match 1
    11:14 Match 2
    19:38 Match 3
    28:28 Match 4
    47:42 Match 5
    1:08:31 Wrap Up: Should FotD Be Banned in Historic?
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Komentáře • 463

  • @t5k313
    @t5k313 Před 3 lety +376

    imagine getting queued up against the SaffronOlive and you think "ooh wonder what jank he's playing today" and it's the same deck youve faced every other game of the day.....

    • @jorgearroyo703
      @jorgearroyo703 Před 3 lety +27

      F

    • @benjaminrude7698
      @benjaminrude7698 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jorgearroyo703 I dont see field a lot in Plat tbh.

    • @jorgearroyo703
      @jorgearroyo703 Před 3 lety +8

      @@benjaminrude7698 Mythic used to be flooded with Field decks before the ban announcement. Right now it's a wild wild west

    • @roastbeefmahony6560
      @roastbeefmahony6560 Před 3 lety +1

      im playing reanimator with ulamog and sphinx mindbreaker , im always happy if im gettin this decks. sadly ive just seen that deck twice. ( im flooded by mono blue and goblins)

    • @elbe0072
      @elbe0072 Před 3 lety +1

      I once faced him in bo3 and he instantly conceded

  • @Encendi74
    @Encendi74 Před 3 lety +252

    Watching Seth continuously misplay horrifically and still win is probably the best case for a Field ban.

    • @ForgotMyDemonName
      @ForgotMyDemonName Před 3 lety +12

      You get em, know it all.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +133

      My motto is if I can win with it, it must be good.

    • @erinaxel8562
      @erinaxel8562 Před 3 lety +5

      @@MTGGoldfish Can't wait for that Sethron ban.

    • @alexleblanc6364
      @alexleblanc6364 Před 3 lety +3

      @@erinaxel8562 I think that was a bug 🐛

    • @tygonmaster
      @tygonmaster Před 3 lety +2

      @@MTGGoldfish "If you can win playing badly, why NOT punt for days?" :^)

  • @UTUB2kholle
    @UTUB2kholle Před 3 lety +94

    It's like a reverse against the odds. "Can we lose today with this busted deck ?" xD

  • @thekid5220
    @thekid5220 Před 3 lety +121

    "Do we even need Ugin?"
    And that friends is your metric for if a card is bannable or not.

    • @tygonmaster
      @tygonmaster Před 3 lety +2

      Why bother with a giant planeswalker if you can just win with fucking basic land.

  • @goldnuggets10
    @goldnuggets10 Před 3 lety +134

    You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy field of the dead, not join them. bring balance to the meta, not leave it in darkness.

    • @gawbe
      @gawbe Před 3 lety +1

      He is doing it to prove that it should be banned I think.

    • @Small_Panda
      @Small_Panda Před 3 lety

      Man i literally just made this comment about seth and spoiling uro

    • @gawbe
      @gawbe Před 3 lety

      @Michael Nelson Dont worry, I saw that ;) I am 100% with you on your argument joke though.

    • @tygonmaster
      @tygonmaster Před 3 lety

      Sometimes, you need to become the cancer to get rid of the cancer.

  • @freezeryder
    @freezeryder Před 3 lety +90

    You lived long enough to see yourself become the enemy

  • @josephrice4799
    @josephrice4799 Před 3 lety +77

    Seth this was great. Could we get a permanent series called go to the dark side where you playthe most busted decks in a format?? Please.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +50

      It could be fun once and a while, if people like it :)

    • @smegmalasagna
      @smegmalasagna Před 3 lety +4

      Joseph Rice I support this idea! :)

    • @spikescafe3940
      @spikescafe3940 Před 3 lety +1

      I'd rather keep Much Abrew for brews and not tier 1

    • @theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet
      @theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet Před 3 lety

      I support this idea, with the caveat that you don’t completely become a dirty tron player

  • @nicholasjensen1077
    @nicholasjensen1077 Před 3 lety +16

    It’s almost like wotc never learned that field of the dead, like valakut, should be legendary.

  • @VRanger100
    @VRanger100 Před 3 lety +22

    It's nice to watch Seth play meta decks once in a while. Brings some perspective that just because he likes to plays "janky" decks doesn't mean he doesn't understand how to play the meta decks.
    Reminds me of when commentators complimented Seth on his plays when he was in Modern Super League with and against other pros. The man plays enough "jank" that that's all the practice he needs.

    • @curtisfarley6558
      @curtisfarley6558 Před 3 lety +1

      Sorry, but he played a mythic tier deck in platinum, poorly; and still crushed. It's not him, it's the deck. Ban field of the dead ASAP!

    • @ForgotMyDemonName
      @ForgotMyDemonName Před 3 lety +1

      @@curtisfarley6558 love when the know it alls come out. You're not better than he is. I bet you play mythic decks down in silver all the time. Ffs lol

    • @MHCJV
      @MHCJV Před 3 lety +10

      Kind of a strange comment, seeing as Seth misplayed quite a lot this video. He's not a bad player for sure, but I don't think this video was the best showcase for that.

    • @silverdeathgamer2907
      @silverdeathgamer2907 Před 3 lety

      @@MHCJV Yeah he is better with decks he is more experience with like with the hammer time combo deck in modern.

  • @lxyacht
    @lxyacht Před 3 lety +76

    Clearly Historic just needs blood moon.

    • @BillabongWannabe
      @BillabongWannabe Před 3 lety +7

      This

    • @Jeepod
      @Jeepod Před 3 lety +1

      There's blood sun :P

    • @willgary8792
      @willgary8792 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Jeepod blood sun plus the ferocidon Hazoret plan doesn't seem terrible.....have played 0 historic tho

    • @orzhov12
      @orzhov12 Před 3 lety

      Sounds like a good idea but will Blood Moon do against Ugin?

    • @curtisfarley6558
      @curtisfarley6558 Před 3 lety +1

      Neither blood sun/Moon are enough for this deck. Even if; artifact/enchantment hate, is so easy sb

  • @psychomagi
    @psychomagi Před 3 lety +24

    I love how you did this video and IMMEDIATELY the next morning Historic banned field of the dead. You broke the game, Seth :-P

    • @matthoward6130
      @matthoward6130 Před 3 lety

      @@thedarkemissary Then how did he play it? It was announced on the 24th, and went live the 24th.

    • @matthoward6130
      @matthoward6130 Před 3 lety +2

      @@thedarkemissary yes I am . You are aware the videos have an uploaded date, and its the 23rd?

    • @matthoward6130
      @matthoward6130 Před 3 lety

      @@thedarkemissary nope, the 24th. magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/august-24-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement

    • @matthoward6130
      @matthoward6130 Před 3 lety +2

      @@thedarkemissary so you do know the video was out before the ban announcement. You said it was banned beforehand. It was not.

    • @matthoward6130
      @matthoward6130 Před 3 lety

      @@thedarkemissary "Aug 24, 15:30 UTC
      Scheduled - We will be performing scheduled maintenance on August 24 at approximately 8:30 a.m. PT (15:30 UTC) to deploy the 1.11.00.02 game update (card legality update for Historic). Maintenance is expected to last approximately one hour."

  • @jonathansnow21
    @jonathansnow21 Před 3 lety +74

    Next thing you know, we'll be playing Tron in Modern.... Just for science.

  • @abrahamthayer4059
    @abrahamthayer4059 Před 3 lety +51

    As someone who plays aggro, an archetype notoriously good against slow controlling decks, I can tell you this deck beats me a pretty large portion of the time. I need to draw incredible well and they need to not draw hour of promise or uro for me to have a shot.

    • @FrowningTable
      @FrowningTable Před 3 lety

      What aggro deck are you playing?

    • @ryan_s
      @ryan_s Před 3 lety +1

      Use ashiok

    • @zotha
      @zotha Před 3 lety +2

      Play monoblue tempo if you want to crush Field decks all day long.

    • @alexmay3860
      @alexmay3860 Před 3 lety

      Feel the exact same way. I play wb vamp aggro & if I don't win by turn 4 the game is over
      Even wit strong early pressure & decent reach it just feels like none of it matters wit how easily field decks generate value

    • @ryan_s
      @ryan_s Před 3 lety +3

      Play decks like mengucci's mono rogue red aggro which has ferocidon, cheap burn spells, fliers and 8 damage lands or BR aggro which uses ashiok in the main to fuel kroxa. Or black aggro which has fliers (6 - 8) and flying(2-4) enchantments along with ashiok and thoughtsieze. Field is not too hard to manage if you play with the right decks

  • @Rasalhage_handle
    @Rasalhage_handle Před 3 lety +4

    When you stream a Dark Side deck, make sure you have a big hood over your face to become Dark Seth.

  • @WilfNelson1
    @WilfNelson1 Před 3 lety +9

    Field of the dead is a card that looks safe when you first see it, seven or more other lands is a lot to ask but then once it gets into real formats and is tested you see it is broken. That isn't really anyone's fault, the issue is when pride makes you not ban it.

    • @marlowemouse
      @marlowemouse Před 3 lety +3

      I mean, thats drfinitely wizards fault since theyre supposed to have people playtesting these cards to make sure theyre not busted. If the only metric for releasing cards was "does it look reasonable at face value" this game would be even more of a shitshow than it is ban-wise. Though with wizards releasing tef3ri, oko, and fires in quick succession maybe that is their only metric >.

    • @yungxama1606
      @yungxama1606 Před 3 lety

      Damn you pride, ruining balance

    • @keithfilibeck2390
      @keithfilibeck2390 Před 3 lety

      it is literally the testing teams fault, cards like Field already exist.

  • @pootshihi22
    @pootshihi22 Před 3 lety +16

    I like how every defense of Field of the Dead I see on reddit starts with something like "it is not completely impossible to beat"
    Wow, I'm convinced

    • @Threadoflength
      @Threadoflength Před 3 lety +10

      Pretty much the defense of every broken deck in any format begins with "it is not completely impossible to beat" and then usually ends with suggesting a bunch of insanely narrow cards that nobody in their right mind wants to be playing.

    • @Ghost26968
      @Ghost26968 Před 3 lety +10

      Its like how Inverter players were saying that they're deck was beatable if they didn't draw their combo. Like, no shit.

    • @zirilan3398
      @zirilan3398 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Ghost26968 Just like the Twin-Players back in the days^^

  • @hydra66
    @hydra66 Před 3 lety +33

    I would say blood sun but considering the speed of the deck, whilst you're mopping up outstanding zombies, Ugin comes down

    • @hydra66
      @hydra66 Před 3 lety +1

      but brewing wise, blood sun, thassa plus deputy of detention, virulent plague, trespassers curse, ferocidon all get shut down by ugin. A land later goodnight. Playing necromentia/lost legacy/ unmoored ego doesn't take a dropped field off the table

    • @FrowningTable
      @FrowningTable Před 3 lety +1

      hydra66 right exactly. Well said. No card Can answer it cleanly. You can even use ghost quarter because usually they have three on the battlefield.

    • @redstonepro5412
      @redstonepro5412 Před 3 lety +5

      @@hydra66 everytime you play a hatecard against this deck you spend a card to beat a land, leaving them with a normal rampdeck, that is not really a good option

    • @hydra66
      @hydra66 Před 3 lety +1

      @@FrowningTable tried that- it causes them to fetch a land, triggering the other 2 fields in response. I'd rather face a lilliana ultimate

    • @VirtuaSphere
      @VirtuaSphere Před 3 lety +1

      Alpine Moon is easier to use I feel. Still probably not a super good answer though.

  • @sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh
    @sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh Před 3 lety +33

    Should Field of the Dead be banned from Historic?
    Short answer:
    Yes.
    Long answer:
    Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

  • @gontiLordOfStuff
    @gontiLordOfStuff Před 3 lety +36

    I got to Mythic with this deck. I'm not that good a magic player. It should probs be banned.

    • @RandomPerson-mv8bn
      @RandomPerson-mv8bn Před 3 lety +9

      lmao have some confidence my guy, you can't be that bad. still, you're probably right about the banning

    • @MineRoyale.
      @MineRoyale. Před 3 lety +4

      @@RandomPerson-mv8bn all you gotta have is greater than 50% winrate

    • @FrowningTable
      @FrowningTable Před 3 lety +1

      @@MineRoyale. you'd be surprised the amount of bad players and decks at mythic, even at the 95% range

    • @sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh
      @sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh Před 3 lety +3

      @@MineRoyale. 60% win rate is about 300 games in one season. So i think sparing your free time shouldn't be taken lightly lol

    • @willgary8792
      @willgary8792 Před 3 lety +3

      this is the kinda honesty the world needs

  • @spikescafe3940
    @spikescafe3940 Před 3 lety +10

    @9:18 What is the arena UI doing? Are people just OK with this?

    • @midnalight6419
      @midnalight6419 Před 3 lety

      Most people are.

    • @joelstephenson
      @joelstephenson Před 3 lety

      Arena interface is a pile a poop. Everything moves everywhere and try discarding 15 cards its a nightmare.

  • @ignaciobarraganlozano3925

    I don't know what's the problem, match 5 clearly ilustrates that you can beat field of the dead
    /s

  • @themanly1672
    @themanly1672 Před 3 lety +35

    New series: should this be banned? Goblins next!

    • @gabrielamaro1470
      @gabrielamaro1470 Před 3 lety

      Muxus is explosive, but not banworthy

    • @RiseInAfterlife
      @RiseInAfterlife Před 3 lety

      @@gabrielamaro1470 tell that to everyone who lost to a Muxus being played on an empty board and died to the following attack.
      All they need to hit is a haste giver + Krenko and it's over.

    • @gabrielamaro1470
      @gabrielamaro1470 Před 3 lety

      Monsieur Generalissimo they’re not guaranteed to hit haste enablers though. It’s always a gamble on what gets hit. Besides that there are ways to stop him both in terms of hate cards and interaction. Grafdigger’s Cage completely shuts Muxus down, and hitting key goblins with spot removal spells also stops the big swing for long enough to sweep or win once your turn comes around. It’s not as broken as people make it out to be.

    • @RiseInAfterlife
      @RiseInAfterlife Před 3 lety

      @@gabrielamaro1470 That means you have to run a deck with removal. A lot of it, draw said removal and have hate cards.
      Which all is a void argument in Bo1 anyway.
      So what?
      It's almost the same argument with FotD.
      There is Ghost Quarter and Field of Ruin and Narset almost shuts the entire deck down.
      That said Golbins have 8 haste enablers and even card that can fetch out those.

    • @gabrielamaro1470
      @gabrielamaro1470 Před 3 lety +1

      @@RiseInAfterlife Not necessarily. I was mentioning direct ways to deal with Muxus, but some strategies can totally race him. The U/W aura deck comes to mind, since with the right combination of auras, Kor Spiritdancer becomes a vigilant lifelinker with tons of power, allowing you to stay ahead of their damage. R/B Aggro/Pyromancer can use cards like Priest, Claim the Firstborn to remove goblins and also can race fast with the Claim // Fame Archfiend's Vessel synergy. But anyway, why would we even be talking about BO1? It's never been a competitive format and never will be. The lack of a sideboard means that certain matchups will almost always be unwinnable unless you have a wishboard with Karn/Fae of Wishes, or maindeck hate that doesn't make your actual strategy less consistent with its inclusion.

  • @Zdarkete
    @Zdarkete Před 3 lety +2

    Opponent keeps one lander, does not thoughtseizes the removal spell to protect his mana dork.
    WHY???

  • @JustAnotherPest
    @JustAnotherPest Před 3 lety +8

    Would this deck survive against aggro without Uro gaining 8000 life over the course of the game?

    • @MineRoyale.
      @MineRoyale. Před 3 lety +6

      Yes. This deck gets infinite blocks starting turn 4. Only an enchantment flyers/unblockable deck has a chance

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +1

      It would be harder, would be much more reliant on getting to seven lands for Field of the Dead super quick, which would still happen in Hour of Promise games, but in other games aggro would have a much better shot.

    • @LizardMammaryGlands
      @LizardMammaryGlands Před 3 lety +1

      @@MTGGoldfish I saw Mengucci beat the shit out of three Field decks the other day with a UB tap out control. Necromentia did it along with Field of Ruin. But, honestly, it's tap out control, y'know... Feels almost like cheesing it.

  • @bear489
    @bear489 Před 3 lety +4

    Field of the dead so good that even the mirror matches cant beat it

  • @willgary8792
    @willgary8792 Před 3 lety +2

    When fotd was in standard I was playing grixis control, the combo of unmoored ego, flame sweep, and big Chandra was actually pretty solid. vs FotD....but Uro didn't exist and thoughtseize wasn't legal

  • @philgil59
    @philgil59 Před 3 lety +2

    imagine being so incompetent that you ban a card in standard, then put it back into standard but with like 10 old cards, ban it again, un-ban it again, and you're still sitting around wondering why people complain about it

  • @zachgray4767
    @zachgray4767 Před 3 lety +3

    Yes, emphatically. You know there's a problem when your opponent dumps their whole hand onto the field in a single turn, you draw Ugin, and decide you don't even need him.

  • @alexanderthealright
    @alexanderthealright Před 3 lety

    I wonder if ashiok would be a viable countermeasure for esper doom, or if it's just not enough.

  • @marymccleary8757
    @marymccleary8757 Před 3 lety

    Fell asleep watching this; watched the end to catch up; turned on Arena during the wrap-up; found out the SaffronOlive effect has a whole new meaning.

  • @kcdubois9183
    @kcdubois9183 Před 3 lety

    Hey Seth, what do you think would happen if they decide to give Field the "Companion treatment" and change the triggered ability to paying 1 generic mana to create the Zombie token? I would never have considered an errata possible until they kinda did it for Companion (the mechanic, not the actual cards).

    • @Dekadin2
      @Dekadin2 Před 3 lety

      they can't change a cards printed mechanics because of paper magic

  • @dyl0wned
    @dyl0wned Před 3 lety +4

    Came here after the ban announcement.
    Ding dong the field is dead!

  • @nen2955
    @nen2955 Před 3 lety +1

    At 20:45 seth missed an opportunity to cast Explore. Could have explored, tapping temur triome and field, putting Forest in to play, then cast Languish off Hollow/Catacombs/Island/Forest. Think theres a 0% chance it mattered though.

  • @meatrace
    @meatrace Před 3 lety +2

    If you're already playing Sultai, play some Yarok to double the field triggers!

  • @luisogloko4853
    @luisogloko4853 Před 3 lety +16

    Seth: "There's like 50 lands in this deck
    Seth 1 second later: We got 31 lands all together

  • @vladthedark
    @vladthedark Před 3 lety

    Just saw a post from Goldfish about it being officially banned :D Seth are you a prophet by any chance or an actual wizard?

  • @DropkickGoose
    @DropkickGoose Před 3 lety

    Is it good enough for Pioneer or Modern?

  • @BlaineTog
    @BlaineTog Před 3 lety +3

    Everyone's pointing at Field of the Dead but honestly, Uro's doing much more work here.

    • @marlowemouse
      @marlowemouse Před 3 lety

      Yeah honestly uro should have probably hit the ban list as well recently, its ramp, card draw, lifegain and a wincon all wrapped up in one nice neat bundle. Makes krasis look like its sitting at the kiddie table

    • @LizardMammaryGlands
      @LizardMammaryGlands Před 3 lety +1

      @@marlowemouse Plus, you can fit it in pretty much any UG/X ramp and it will still probably be the single most profitable card. Like you said, it's three mana for draw, +3, and another land drop. Field is downright fantastic right now, but the deck is named after it.

    • @Gallagher_meme
      @Gallagher_meme Před 3 lety

      The problem is that Uro doesn't just win games like FotD

    • @LizardMammaryGlands
      @LizardMammaryGlands Před 3 lety

      @@Gallagher_meme that is very true

    • @silverdeathgamer2907
      @silverdeathgamer2907 Před 3 lety

      @@Gallagher_meme He does against aggro but yeah FOTD is good against every archetype.

  • @MrShinyObject
    @MrShinyObject Před 3 lety +3

    This is like playing the booster box game but with a deck.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +4

      Many Magic: the Gathering players wonder, is Field of the Dead broken enough that it should be banned?...

  • @justindickinson2300
    @justindickinson2300 Před 3 lety +2

    I love that he actually played what’s generally considered the best deck in a format. He makes good enough janky decks to do well so it was sweet to see him play a top tier deck in contrast. Field will be banned. I like lands decks but it’s just too easy to abuse

  • @thejewthatlived
    @thejewthatlived Před 3 lety +1

    in match four, couldn't you arch in your upkeep to hold onto the field of the deads you had to discard? no draw for turn because of narset after but get to keep the good cards.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety

      Yeah, I think I messed that game up (but we still won because the deck is busted).

  • @abrahamthayer4059
    @abrahamthayer4059 Před 3 lety +4

    If they dropped price of progress or something similar in the next anthology I would be so down for it remaining legal but without some huge punisher for ramping I just don't think it can stay.

    • @yujiro424
      @yujiro424 Před 3 lety

      That would be amazing that or limited resources.

  • @chaseshadows566
    @chaseshadows566 Před 3 lety +2

    Best zombie tribal deck in any format. With zero actual zombie cards.

  • @DoctorChuck
    @DoctorChuck Před 3 lety

    Why isn't casualties of war in the maindeck? It might be "bad" in the mono red matchup but you can still hit anax + creature + land.

  • @azerim2039
    @azerim2039 Před 3 lety

    There will be a B&R today for historic only (announced on Twitter 3 days ago). I guess we know what is going away...

  • @Battleguild
    @Battleguild Před 3 lety +3

    Would love an alternate art for Field of the Dead, featuring the Eternals striding across the deserts of Amonket.

  • @alexjn7463
    @alexjn7463 Před 3 lety +1

    seth when opp draws a 4-of that's part of their main gameplan: WOW OPPONENT IS DRAWING GREAT HERE. seth when he topdecks one of his two-of sb casualties of war: "well, there's casualties finally"

  • @Welverin
    @Welverin Před 3 lety

    I like how Seth just casually threw out darksiding as if he has idea what the darkside is!

  • @ZerFayt
    @ZerFayt Před 3 lety +1

    A counter argument to the hour of promise like being reprinted: What are the chances they will print a similar card anytime soon? I would say very low. And what are the chances them introducing more land hate to the format? I would say very high.

    • @R3ach4Th3Sky
      @R3ach4Th3Sky Před 3 lety

      The very next set has a lands matter theme

  • @jakewatson9398
    @jakewatson9398 Před 3 lety +1

    Back post feild historic ban, literally hours after this video. Convinced wizards watched goldfish for suggestions

  • @manuelito1233
    @manuelito1233 Před 3 lety +31

    What about banning hour of promise?
    E: no, I disagree with myself, ban field

    • @notSoAverageGuineaPigEnjoyer
      @notSoAverageGuineaPigEnjoyer Před 3 lety +1

      manuelito1233 what they hell are you saying?

    • @deli_9697
      @deli_9697 Před 3 lety +1

      Taking away the problem card or the problem cards enabler is always a really interesting debate, but I think that field is far too easy to accedently break and it would probably be a better idea to ban field instead

    • @curtisfarley6558
      @curtisfarley6558 Před 3 lety

      Ban field duh!!!!

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +1

      My argument is that there will be another Hour of Promise in the future, so banning it is a short term solution. On the other hand, it seems unlikely Wizards prints another land that offers as much free value as Field of the Dead anytime soon.

  • @brady13898913
    @brady13898913 Před 3 lety

    Hey Seth, I've had some really good luck against Field of the Dead with a Mono White Gain Life Enchantment deck! I think I've lost to Field once maybe with it lol. I do agree the card is stupid strong, but not unbeatable. Great games, love the content man!

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety

      Ohh, that sounds sweet, do you have a list?

    • @brady13898913
      @brady13898913 Před 3 lety

      @@MTGGoldfish Sorry for the long timed response, I didn't see the notification.
      Historic Mono White Enchants
      4x Alseid of Life's Bounty
      4x Griffin Aerie
      4x The Birth of Meletis
      3x Daxos, Blessed by the Sun
      3x Banishing Light
      3x Heliod, Sun-Crowned
      4x Omen of the Sun
      3x Anointed Procession
      3x Conclave Tribunal
      2x Archon of Sun's Grace
      2x Blessed Sanctuary
      1x Divine Visitaion
      2x Elspeth Conquers Death
      2x Castle Ardenvale
      20x Plains
      1x Shefet Dunes
      I also want to note that I play mostly BO1, so this list is obviously designed for that.

  • @blondiwithstyle
    @blondiwithstyle Před 3 lety

    The biggest problem is that this deck is utilizing two broken cards that synergies incredibly well with each other (Uro and Field of the Dead). The fact that the deck is more or less a ramp deck that doesn't need high end cards like Ugin, Ulamog or Krasis to function, is also a problem.

  • @Crazymachin3gun
    @Crazymachin3gun Před 3 lety +1

    What about alpine moon shouldn't that stop field?

    • @Ghost26968
      @Ghost26968 Před 3 lety

      And they either destroy it with enchantment removal or don't give a shit and cast an ugin. The problem with Field is that its free value, if you waste a card/tempo to deal with it then it doesn't actually do anything to slow down the FotD player and they just continue on like nothing happened.

  • @MidgarMerc
    @MidgarMerc Před 3 lety +3

    Arena should let you have massacre wurm as a companion when against field of the dead except its colorless

  • @kaszael
    @kaszael Před 3 lety +1

    What we need is a Torpor Orb effect for non-creature permanents.

  • @toubeelo1979
    @toubeelo1979 Před 3 lety

    I primarily play Mono-U Tempo and Field can go; it probably will. I can win the matchup if I play a super tight game, but it's still pretty hard once they get triggers going.

  • @dpscribe
    @dpscribe Před 3 lety +1

    Next you are going to tell me Seth also known as Saffron Olive is going to play Tron in Modern to play it to see how it feels to be a Tron player?

  • @Vininn126
    @Vininn126 Před 3 lety

    Pro tip for x spells like krasis: double tap q to tap all your lands and you can more quickly count your mana

  • @jasonl1184
    @jasonl1184 Před 3 lety

    Golos was serviceable (and really good) as a way to fetch field before hour of promise

  • @RdbJlove
    @RdbJlove Před 3 lety

    I play actual Ponza (Mono-Red or Jund) and against Sultai Field it feels like an even Match-up where neither side has a clear adventage

  • @philipkeogan3550
    @philipkeogan3550 Před 3 lety

    As I am watching this I open Arena on my other screen and the first thing that pops up is Field off the dead banned in Historic. Well done Seth LOL

  • @maciek19882
    @maciek19882 Před 3 lety

    What will happen when a land/landfall set hits Arena?

  • @jakeentwistle4926
    @jakeentwistle4926 Před 3 lety

    That snap-keep on the 6-lander w/Uro lol

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety

      I'd be tempted to keep a seven lander with this deck, assuming one of the lands is Field of the Dead.

  • @jstuckless
    @jstuckless Před 3 lety +2

    "Do they have the Shark Typhoon?"
    Literally has thoughtseize in hand.

    • @Cornelius135
      @Cornelius135 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, but they'd cycle in response, so he couldn't stop it anyway

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety +4

      They could just cycle it in response and make the shark, so Thoughtseize wouldn't be especially helpful at that point :(

  • @melissagrenier2200
    @melissagrenier2200 Před 3 lety

    I think a basic strategic guideline should be that you don't play land destruction against a ramp deck.

  • @stevesmith5883
    @stevesmith5883 Před 3 lety

    I somehow keep playing decks which aren't super competitve (Stuck around Plat 3-2) but fuck with the meta accidentally. I just build decks that I'll think will be fun with no attention to meta, but my elf deck was great against 3 mana teferi, as it just became a 3 mana bounce spell likely killed soon after ((I also played 0 instants). Now I've build a U/W flyers deck which seems to be beating Field decks pretty consistantly, one of my best match-ups actually. It's the mono red and Rakdos sacrifice decks I hate when playing that.

  • @Rogue_Biologist
    @Rogue_Biologist Před 3 lety

    I have taken to running Trespasser's Curse in my black decks due to the prominence of this deck and goblins, although it is mostly this deck i see these days.

  • @coreysierchio4650
    @coreysierchio4650 Před 3 lety +1

    2:37 "Field of the Dead IS the Zombie Text." (Thanks for the content. I'm pro Field.)

  • @RumpledNutskin
    @RumpledNutskin Před 3 lety +1

    I keep seeing videos by various content creators with titles along the lines of "should field of the dead be banned?" and every time I check one out, I half expect the video to be three seconds long, with the creator saying, "Yes."

  • @sethbailey2834
    @sethbailey2834 Před 3 lety

    Why not add the end the turn spell from m21

  • @D1570R73D
    @D1570R73D Před 3 lety

    Field of the Dead might be pretty much unbeatable right now, but remember that Historic is a catch-all format like Modern or Legacy. More and more cards will be added that will eventually raise the power level to somewhere similar to Modern. Winning on turn 5 in modern is common, and is sometimes slow in Legacy. If Field is banned now, it will only smooth out Historic's transition to that power level. Modern and Legacy both had similar growing pains but eventually reached a point where they leveled out at a similar power to Field of the Dead.
    One of the reasons Field of the Dead is so powerful this early in the format is that it relies on card archetypes that are often printed in core sets. Ramp, tutors, and lands with different names are all things we see just about every core set. Other deck archetypes gain *significant* power with the release of more unique cards, especially combo decks.
    Just checked, they banned it. I guess I'll see you all in a year or two when the community is saying "well Field of the Dead kinda looks average now".

  • @gochadc
    @gochadc Před 3 lety

    The classic problem with ramp was getting too many lands and no value or just the bombs without enought ramp, with Uro you have the ramp and the value on the same card, in a way the same is true with Field of the Dead. I do think there is a way to print cards that are good for ramp and have a backup plan, but without a drawback the card is doomed to be banned eventually.
    I do have the good memories of, during the first weeks the Field of the Dead was legal in standard, putting toghether a deck for my GF with gates and Fields and crushing people at FNM with 22 zombies with what was considered a bulk-budget deck. Paid less than a dollar per Field and less than a dolar per Golos. Then people started putting Fields on Teferi decks and we all know what happend.
    (I'm not saying thet the card was not broken, what I'm saying is that it was really fun on budget builds)

  • @Moonlit_sky_with_stars

    How sweet would it be if the next set reprints price of progress?

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety

      It would be great against Field of the Dead, although it might just be too strong for the format, punishing fairer midrange and control decks as well.

  • @PhoenixXZY
    @PhoenixXZY Před 3 lety

    The only cards I've found useful against Field decks is Ashiok, Dream Render and Virulent Plague. And that is ONLY if you can get it down before Hour of Promise. Then you have to protect your hate cards from Casualties of War etc.

  • @gawbe
    @gawbe Před 3 lety

    Honestly! If you added anything that abused those Zombies entering the battlefield so often, it would rock. (Ayara, Corpse knight).

    • @FrowningTable
      @FrowningTable Před 3 lety

      Yeah but you could also just win with the zombies, you don’t need extra help. Those are cards that are bad at any stage in the game because they don’t contribute to the ramp payoff plan or are a ramp payoff

  • @yarglewithwings9112
    @yarglewithwings9112 Před 3 lety +3

    naw, it's totally fine. definitely. 110%.
    for real though i got to mythic in like 2 days with this deck, so maybe could you stop please wizards.

  • @jacobellis2594
    @jacobellis2594 Před 3 lety

    Maybe can't be blocked by creatures with creatures with power 2 or less can't block this creature

  • @melaniemassicotte6212
    @melaniemassicotte6212 Před 3 lety

    I have been beating FotD with Soul Sisters but only because I have four Thalia in the maindeck and 3 Vryn Wingmare in the side. You need to be faster and taxing them, that's the only way. Can't wait to see it gone

  • @oldirtysean00
    @oldirtysean00 Před 3 lety

    I've been playing mono black aggro with 8 discard spells. It's targets field pretty hard and the matchup is ok. Idk if I'm a favorite. Game 1 is good but postboard, I feel like I need to get lucky to win. Field is dumb. I don't think mono red is the best aggro deck btw. Mono Blue and Mono Black have seemed stronger.

  • @TheMNZGrandeRio
    @TheMNZGrandeRio Před 3 lety +1

    While I do agree that aggro isn't a solution against Field decks, boy, those aggro decks you faced were pretty slow... the decks I face in the T2 ladder have 3 cratures turn-2 and a damage amplifier turn 3 to kill me turn 4...

  • @Crazymachin3gun
    @Crazymachin3gun Před 3 lety +1

    What happen to shapeshift? With field

  • @williamangster7962
    @williamangster7962 Před 3 lety

    I have had some success with simic flash against field of the dead

  • @SunniestAutumn
    @SunniestAutumn Před 3 lety

    I don't know about this one, you also said that Jace and SFM would be too good in Modern.

    • @zirilan3398
      @zirilan3398 Před 3 lety

      The fear that Jace and SFM where would break Modern came from Legacy and was rooted in the highly frustrating games that you would have if you faced UW+X-Control. The mainproblem with Field is that it`s non-Legendary (I still don`t get why, same for the Eldrain-Castles and others) and that there are no reliable answers to it since Ugin and Ulamog joint the format.

  • @jpopichak
    @jpopichak Před rokem

    Seth I'm from 2 years in the future. Safe to say you were pretty right about this one. :)

  • @marshmallowtheexistential6077

    I think there are a lot of ways to tone down field, as I always kinda hate it when a deck ends up banned and it *seems* like it could possibly be balanced/hated out.
    1: Uro: I think that of the many possible problematic cards, Uro is one of the worst (as seen in pioneer). It continuing to draw cards against midrange and control while gaining life against aggro means it is almost always an impossible problem when you have to deal with everything else this deck does. (I say this with my current favorite deck being a rainbow CoCo deck trying to cheat out uros and kroxas with hushbringer).
    2: Magus of the Moon/Blood Moon: I kinda want these in the format anyway, as punishing greedy manabases (even if that's all my manabases) is important, and it could be another way to deal with field that still gets wrecked by ugin. Blood Moon is also a cool card for the mono-white prison deck using nine lives and solemnity, as idyllic tutor can fetch it pretty well. plus, magus can be fetched in toolbox decks, and I love those decks.
    those are just 2 cool ideas.

  • @Volttikoira
    @Volttikoira Před 3 lety

    You should make this into a series called "Evil Seth" where you play overpowered strategies, then drop your opinion on them just like you did here.

    • @denniswman
      @denniswman Před 3 lety

      And Evil Seth would have no beard. Or at least the thumbnail picture wouldn't lol

  • @Neurodynamic
    @Neurodynamic Před 3 lety +1

    While I agree it should be banned I beat this deck all the time with Grixis. When you can empty their hand by turn 4 with Kroxa and Thoughtseize and stick a Nicol Bolas Dragon God its pretty much gg. Making them sac a land every turn stops it in its tracks. Stumble once and they recover fast though.

  • @orzhov12
    @orzhov12 Před 3 lety

    People think that just because they have beaten Field with their aggro deck it means it isn't a problem. Hell I have beaten Field with an Izzet aggro deck a couple of times but that doesn't mean I don't lose to it the other ten games I played against. Its broken. Simple as that.

  • @jacfac9969
    @jacfac9969 Před 3 lety +2

    Wow field literally just got banned. Guess RnD watched this video.

  • @Dom-df7lr
    @Dom-df7lr Před 3 lety

    You guys don’t see field isn’t the big problem it’s hour of promise pushes FOTD n uro kills the counter play which is Aggro to ramp

  • @melissagrenier2200
    @melissagrenier2200 Před 3 lety

    I'm shocked that people think attacking on the ground is a great plan against a deck that's goal inherently clogs up the ground.
    While attacking in the air might be less bad they still have sweepers removal and hydroid krasis to block with. Beating down in the air might be a better plan than playing mono red but it's probably not a winning plan either.

  • @ilmastointi_kanava
    @ilmastointi_kanava Před 3 lety

    we need the "exile target nonbasic land and all lands with the same name" card in historic

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 3 lety

      Very much agree. Crumble to Dust (or an upgraded version that hits all copies on the battlefield) might be enough to stop Field of the Dead.

  • @LandOfForeverSummer
    @LandOfForeverSummer Před 3 lety

    What i believe those people think is that since their friends brag about the one time they beat FotD, that it is beatable, not realizing that those friends have lost so many other games to FotD

  • @goodguyshuckle9270
    @goodguyshuckle9270 Před 3 lety +5

    anyone who says FOTD is not good is either lying or playing it themselves. Its a top tier deck due to the fact of how flexible it can be

    • @big53mac38
      @big53mac38 Před 3 lety

      Massacre wurm is really good against it. Like they have 12 2/2's you play massacre wurm abd its gg

    • @goodguyshuckle9270
      @goodguyshuckle9270 Před 3 lety +2

      @@big53mac38 oh boy the one card they can KILL BEFORE ITS EFFECT GOES OFF WITH EASE can sometimes hurt the deck that makes an army of 2/2. truly makes the card balance

    • @Ghost26968
      @Ghost26968 Před 3 lety

      @@big53mac38 Massacre Wurm would be the end all be all answer if this was Hearth Stone, but this is MTG where there is a stack and instants.

    • @FrowningTable
      @FrowningTable Před 3 lety

      Ghost26968 what is your argument

  • @michaelpaluch9267
    @michaelpaluch9267 Před 3 lety

    I think literally the only option to deal with this deck is playing it and running unmoored egos in the sideboard and just praying that in a mirror they don't get field down first. Ego lets you just completely lock out field if you are fast enough. Like yes, its normally a bad card but against a deck all in on the field of hte dead gameplan it basically is 3 mana win the game

  • @tygonmaster
    @tygonmaster Před 3 lety

    Literally the only way to justify FotD continuing to be unbanned is if they added blood moon to the format.

  • @ShadowWalker-ng1it
    @ShadowWalker-ng1it Před 3 lety

    Good thing is FotD is not a facecard mythic so WotC won't try to ban around and should just ban the card itself

  • @piotrbuda6436
    @piotrbuda6436 Před 3 lety

    The fact that the most troublesome card was narset should tell you what is the actuall problem. Honestly how are you all ok with a deck that can ramp 3 times, hit all the land drops and still have cards in hand or its answer for 3 mana planeswalker being 6 mana sorcey.This deck essentially plays 12 copies of the same card.

  • @jacobroach3419
    @jacobroach3419 Před 3 lety +1

    This video aged well.