Shootout! QSC CP8 vs. Bose S1 Pro Which is the Best Ultra Light PA Speaker? Surprising Results!!
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2021
- This is a Part 1. Part two will have a sound demo of the QSC CP8. Sound demos of the Bose S1Pro was done in other videos.
Since making this video I have purchased a Turbosound iP300. In some ways it outperforms the QSC CP8 • Outdoor demonstration ...
Also look at the Yamaha BDR10 for $390 specs say 129dB??
Great job as usual. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the compliment and feedback!
I should have mentioned, I only have one CP8 but a pair with a small subwoofer such as the Bose Sub1 would make a great small wedding system that could probably handle 150-175 people.
Thanks for the great review. I've now got my eye on the S1 Pro Bose.
Thanks for the compliment. Bose S1 Pro price just went up to $649. was $599.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz wow thanks for the link! May I ask, how long can you run the cp-8 at mid volume with this battery pack?......
@@Jazzmarcel Sorry, I have never run over an hour but it didn't go down much. There are a lot of threads about this set up on the Acoustic Guitar Forum under amplification. There is a guy named jonfields45 who is an electrical engineer. He will answer your email. www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=855717
Very helpful explanation, thanks !
Glad you liked it.
Love your videos. I just picked up a cp8 to use as a booth monitor for DJing. Seems to be relatively comparable spec wise to the zlx 12BTs I use as tops.
Great choice, CP8!
Nice piece of equepment
In your opinion does the QSC offer more headroom before clipping as expressed as more SPL’s ?. btw I own S1Pros over Sub1’s very happy from downgrading from JBL PRX/SRX user last 10years. Less weight for loadouts
In the video I said CP8 is equal to two S1Pros. Two S1Pros can go up to 112db compared to 124dB for the single QSC. That 15dB difference is probably more like 4+ S1Pros!
Alto has a Bluetooth Total. About $50 but if you are doing 2 speakers stereo you need 2 of the. Great video! 📹
Thanks for the compliment. Alto Total, never heard of that! Reasonable price and so compact! Thanks for the heads up.
What do you think about plugging straight into the QSC guitar and vocal mic? I suppose a mixer is needed or at least a reverb
It works. Many performers on the Acoustic Guitar Forum use the CP8, acoustic guitar/mic plugged directly in. From my experience plugging an electronic drum directly in, I didn't have enough gain and needed a mixer. Of course the need for reverb. Great thing, the CP8 is easily run on an inexpensive 150 watt external battery!
Awesome and fair review. I have a pair of the S1 and love the sound and portability. I'm thinking of purchasing the cp8 for the additional headroom. Still on the fence. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for the compliment! You can always Line Out the CP8 from the S1Pro when you need that extra headroom. I haven't made the video yet, but for $250 more and a few more lbs. the QSC K8.2 is at another level still! If you have the extra $$ and muscle, don't even think about it!!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz r u saying the k8.2 is vastly better than the cp8 ? 😲😲
@@jahstix If you have the $$$ then yes! Really depends on the volume you play. At low to medium volume say under 85dB, they sound very similar. Where the $$$ is well spent is when you need that extra volume, the K8.2 will stay clean at 100dB+ where the CP8 is sounding harsh! I'll pay the difference for future situations where that headroom is needed.
Never mind got it @26:00 in. I’ll continue to use the S1Pros/ Sub1 as a home system because they sound comparable to a high end audiophile system. I stream 192khz and record on a Tascam DA3000 DSD recorder and various analog sources to great effect. I have audiophile leanings but use Professional Studio equipment for electronics
I too use live sound pro audio speakers and subwoofers for home Hi-fi! I thought I was the only one. Never tell that to an "Audiophile", you will shamed.
Finally.. thx. Was finding it hard to hear about abs plastic..or power plugs. Or so much unrelated to sound ...functions.. preferences.. gear pairing.. adding other say s1 pro..arrggh.
You bring up some interesting points and points that most professional musicians just don't care about. For instance you mentioned a locking power cord.. I've been a musician, engineer, DJ karaoke business, and everything in between.. I never had a power cord come out on a speaker..
Interesting, so why would QSC spend the extra $$$ for the locking power cord. In their next less expensive line down, the CP8 doesn't have the locking power cord.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I don't know if I'm reading you right. Are you trying to say it's a smart move or a bad move.. But yes the CP8 is there cheapest line.. which in my opinion sounds better ALMOST THREE TIMES AS LOUD!! And they're worrying about a locking power cord? And by the way The connection for the locking power cord on the speaker needs to be paired up with a actual locking power cord!! When I do DJ jobs and jobs.. I have a ton of those type of cords not the locking kind.. I can care less if it's locked or not.. never did probably never will..
Their QSC speaker the subwoofer the newest one has a locking power cord which I have.. it's blue and it matches the subwoofer. There are times when I can care less as long as it's powered..
If you're a good engineer smart person but you know how to set things up so people won't trip over things then who cares about a locking power cord..
And to be honest with you it's amazing how the CP8 sounds compared to their higher end almost identical when I switch them back and forth.
PLAYING THE CP8 WITH MY VIRTUAL AMPLIFIERS SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!! VERY LOUD.. ONE OF THEM IS ALMOST LOUD ENOUGH TO JAM WITH AN ENTIRE BAND!!
Bose is for home use in my opinion That's who they go after for the most part.
It's just funny because all these things the guys talking about with the bows are things I never even thought of.. REALLY A BATTERY-POWERED PA SPEAKER LOL!! Very expensive You obviously have electricity if you're on stage so why not plug it in.. it doesn't make any sense unless you're in the middle of a field or something trying to Entertain someone without electric?
Never came across that yet. I have battery powered speakers small ones a lot less expensive I use when I carry to a cookout or a small get together..
Again the right application for the right situation the right tool for the right job..
;)
@@thefix-itguyreviewer8151 You are right, I think at low to medium volumes the CP8 sounds the same as the more $$$ K8.2! I tried plugging a regular power cord to the locking port of the K8.2 and it works fine. Not a big deal but it is a nice feature.
The Bose S1Pro can't compare with the CP8 as far as dynamics but it has its place. It is very popular with acoustic duos, buskers, and DJ's doing outside ceremonies. If you pair two S1Pro's up wirelessly they are pretty impressive compared to the little Bluetooth speakers you are describing. The 6 lbs weight difference and smaller size compared to the QSC make it my #1, pick up and go speaker even over the CP8!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I'm a DJ I've done weddings for over 16years.. complaining about 6 lb is nothing.. there's always electricity no matter where I've been a DJ, karaoke host, open mic, doing a show etc... Even weddings far out in castles.. there's always some place where you can plug in electricity.
CP8 is extremely light.. extremely small.. And it's a lot cheaper better in so many more ways in terms of dynamics, sound quality and volume.. just one of them is louder than two of the Bose speakers.. so actually you're carrying one speaker verses two that's a lot louder!! An extremely cheaper!! It's a no-brainer.. not to mention I always carry a small cart if I need it with wheels that goes easily into my Toyota Corolla folds up like a small tiny table.. is always a road to push it on if I need to carrying a bunch of stuff at once. I can fit a subwoofer, mixer box, two CP8s, even more on this little cart that folds up.. very light can hold up to 300 lb.. never really carrying anything. Can also just put everything on top of the subwoofer that has wheels..
So I don't know what everyone's talking about never had any of these problems you guys mentioned.. The fact that it's so much lighter carrying one of the Cp8 that performs better louder than 2 of the Bose speakers and a hell of a lot cheaper!! I mean come on it's really a no-brainer.. Carry one CP8 or put it on the little card if you don't want to just subwoofer there's always electricity.. and it will outperform two of those Bose speakers as I mentioned. A lot lighter cuz you're using one, louder, better dynamics. And let me see $800 CHEAPER!! As for the Bluetooth like I said Amazon you can get a battery-powered one that a smaller than the palm of your hand as thin as a matchbook I'm talking tiny with 5-hour battery life $15 APTX, no latency, APTX HD. things are coming down on price. You stick it right in your pocket Don't even know it's there. Feel like I said I'm a sound guy an audiophile and everything else I mentioned. Sound is it for me!! If I could plug something in I will even for backing tracks.. it just sounds better sorry.
Neither of the speakers weigh a lot.. if You are having trouble carrying the Cp8 You got to be extremely out of shape or extremely old or both. Find that kind of weird.. to me if I'm having trouble carrying one or two of those CP8s it's time for me to retire..
I'm a 51-year-old man in shape and the CP8s are a breath of fresh air for carrying if I ever need to which is rare. Like I said I got the cart and the subwoofer that also has wheels.
Most places I play have ramps too.
But to each his own... ;)
I understand all these so-called bells and whistles but they're just not valid to me at all.
There are things that matter, there are things that don't there are things that have valid and things that are not.
The bose isn’t as loud but it is super convenient. I use one for vocals using 2 wireless mics. All I have to do is put the speaker stand and put the bose on top and Velcro the 2 mic receivers with a usb battery bank to power them. I setup in about a minute.
Agree 100% The Bose S1Pro might be the best thing Bose has ever come up with!
If it had more power, it would be unstoppable.
@Vanhalen1 Did you buy the New one? 150 watts and Louder and many, Many more features.
Hi thanks for a great review. I have a question, I am using a Bose L1 Pro 8 connected to my Yamaha PSR SX900 keyboard however I am using the L/R sum signal output, this loses a lot on strings and piano without stereo. I love the L1 pro 8 for its great sub but would like to add another speaker to give a stereo sound field. I play bars and parties usually a max of about 75 people. My mic is mixed via the onboard keyboard mixer. Would appreciate you advice. Thanks.
Glad you liked the review. I agree any time you add a second speakers it adds the illusion of a stereo sound field even though both are running mono. My number one choice especially for keyboards is the QSC K8.2. It blends wonderfully with the lush Bose mids. It adds the crisp highs missing from the Bose line because Bose doesn't have a dedicated tweeter that goes up to 20Hz. Check out the Nord Keyboard Forum. A guy named Cypollis has a 20 page thread and the number one choice for keyboards is the K8.2 in its price range. Want the ultimate at $1,800 get the RCF TT08. You've asked the right person, I've down a ton of trials with Bose paired with other speakers. If price is an issue the QSC CP8 is also incredible at $400. czcams.com/video/nymc8nQLL5w/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks for your reply, yes price is an issue so the QSC CP8 looks to be a good deal, especially as all of my mixing happens in the keyboard. I will see if I can push for the K8.2 and find the best price here in Spain. Thanks again.
I also have sx900 keyboard. I'm looking for speakers which one is best bose l1 or qsc speaker ?
I got a sx900 and a roland kc 220 which is just perfect bose has an artificial bassy sound, no mid range as you said I think if you take a second bose you won't get mid range for string because bose is not able to deliver it.
If you could, please also suggest which stands to get for CP8? What do you have here?
Ultimate support makes the best speaker stand. Of course when you buy the best it costs $$$. Any $40 stand will hold up the 24 lbs speaker. www.sweetwater.com/c444--Speak_Stand?highlight=TS90B&mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=1&mrkgcat=drums&percussion&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700073370090886&lid=92700073370090886&ds_s_kwgid=58700008063423976&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=1824422034604&product_id=TS90B&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=c&network=u&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9031179&creative=624396267553&targetid=pla-1824422034604&campaignid=18437397300&awsearchcpc=&gclid=CjwKCAiAwomeBhBWEiwAM43YICIvI7UOut5kJsU8WXz2Ff43AExU_JQuacJQjcknlrmrDq7R7Rr20BoCd5IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Would you recommend CP8’s for a whole band’s front of house sound - vox, guitars, bass, keyboards, drums? What’s the largest venue do you think it could fill? Good for outdoors too?
No, next step up at $250 more at $650 the QSC K8.2 is a huge step up in performance! I am planning on making a video about them one day. For whole band most go with K12.2/KS118 Subs. If it's a money issue a pair of CP8s would probably do 175 people. Never tried it - maybe only 150, maybe 200 max with sub. Really need a good subwoofer to pair. Most bands use a pair of 18 inch subwoofers. CP8s still sound great outdoors but less people. Again if it's a money decision, you can get a pair of CP8s now and in the future they can be your monitors.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks for the fast reply! If I went with K8.2’s, how much more volume (this is especially a concern for outdoor events)? More room for the bass? (Our bassist is our keyboardist’s left hand!). Estimate of audience size indoors and outdoors? We are looking for compact, portable, but versatile and powerful and would likely do most small gigs (70-175 capacity rooms) without a sub.
@@realSeanMcMahon Going to sound very thin without a sub. Your keyboardist and vocalist will love it! Bass guitarist and drummer are not going to be happy. I play drums. Kick drum through K8.2 without sub sounds thin/weak. Snare sounds great. Most bands who play without subs use 15 inch tops. RCF or JBL make great 15" tops. Of course 15" speakers are not very portable. Before you buy check out the Live sound forum at Gearslutz. Those guys are experts at FOH. An 8" speaker is not meant for whole bands. It is best for vocals, acoustic guitar, brass, keyboards. K8.2 is rated the best keyboard amp under $2,000! Check out the 20 page thread on the Nord piano forum. K8.2 super portable at 27lbs. CP8 = 124db 1,000 watts. K8.2 = 128dB 2,000 watts. Greatest difference is clarity at max volume. CP8 will get harsh, K8.2 will keep going with clarity to 128dB! Think of it like a super loud studio monitor. K8.2 also has a wider dispersion at 105 degrees. Audience size, 70 easy outside, indoors like I said figure 150-175? Depends on type of crowd and type of music you play - I assumed rock.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Yes, we play rock. Someone also suggested JBL EON610’s for a similar price point to the CP8’s but more powerful, even comparable to K8.2. Any thoughts on that?
@@realSeanMcMahon Don't do it! Same 1,000 watts as CP8, same 124dB max. Don't be fooled by 10" woofer. Lower line JBL can't compete with QSC. QSC is professional grade, plus it has a six year warranty! From my own experience JBL doesn't stand behind their product when there are problems. Don't forget re sale value. Those JBLs will be worth next to nothing in a couple of years, QSCs hold their value. No comparison to K8.2- different league! Let me know the max weight and money you can spend per speaker. RCF might have some options for you.
I need both a Bose S1Pro and a QSC CP8. Bose for battery usage and Bluetooth and of course weight. Bose for acoustic live shows under 50 people. Great for pre recorded music outside, again under 50 people. QSC rated at 1,000 watts. Let's use 500 watts RMS. Bose S1 = 80 watts. Bose S1 Max 109 SPL. QSC = 124 dB that would mean you would need 3 or 4 Bose S1s to = 1 QSC. Bose S1 reaches its limit at about 105dB and starts to sound harsh. QSC in comparison has endless headroom. For any kind of live electric presentation QSC has that horn bite/clarity that vocals, electric keyboards and drums require. Like I said another league!
I just bought a K8.2 after watching these videos, I already have a Bose S1 pro. The QSC is going back. Bose sounded better for acoustic guitar, QSC maybe had the edge for vocal. QSC certainly wasn’t louder when set at 0 db ? Nearly twice the money and no Bluetooth. Disappointed overall. I expected much more power and bigger sound from 8” speaker. Not the case. Here’s hoping Bose release a bigger version with more power, I would love that. Thanks for your videos.
THIS IS ALSO TRUE I HAVE THE CP8 LOVE IT. Bose has always been overrated and too expensive for what you get.. You always pay for the name. This is why they never give you specifications I would never buy a Bose product.. not impressed with them not impressed with how much they cost for what you get. So many better options out there!!
@@telefan2 Just proves everybody's ears and applications are different! I don't play acoustic guitar, so my opinion is from playing backing tracks. In comparison the S1Pro has a rolled off high end when I A/B them side by side. There is a reason the S1Pro is so popular on the Acoustic Guitar forum. Maybe its the 120 degree dispersion or the famous Bose smooth midrange. I won't sell my S1Pro! As far as volume, the S1pro is great/clean under 95dB. Anything louder starts to sound stressed especially with heavy bass backing tracks. In comparison the K8.2 will go up to 110+dB cleanly. 15dB max headroom is huge! But for an acoustic guitarist like yourself unless you are trying to be the next Acoustic Hendrix you probably don't push it past 100dB :)
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks again for your input here. I couldn’t hear any more volume out of K8.2 when set at 0db? Does that sound right to you?
@@telefan2 Every speaker's gain structure is slightly different. The S1Pro is very loud at 10:00 and 12:00-1:00 noon is pretty much its clipping maximum. The K8.2 is the opposite. At 12:00 unity it is just getting started. You have that extra 10dB headroom up until 3:00. Bose has a strange gain structure with half the dial useless? Both speakers get maximum gain using a mixer gain staged properly.
Bose for me 😊
Hi, great video. I use S1 pro for home too. I wonder how it compares to real hifi speakers? Elac, klipsch?
Thanks for the compliment! At low to medium volume you are losing some fidelity especially high end and midrange when compared to hifi speakers. A pair of S1Pros with a subwoofer at high volume 90dB+ in my opinion are more dynamic or live sounding. Check out these videos czcams.com/video/C9HQklyAw3Q/video.html czcams.com/video/0M3C1fB0_wE/video.html
Hey sir, my school is going to buy 2 new speakers to use at outdoor dances (200-300 people), in our theatre for live music and dance groups (200 seat standard theatre), and at some other live sound events. They are debating between 2 bose F1 812 (rep at Sweet Wat er says the Bose carry much farther over 50-100ft because of the line array) compared to 2 qsc k12.2. Can you provide any feedback on this purchase?
Bose F1 is supposed to be louder than K12.2. QSC best in business 6 year warranty might come in handy for school setting?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks!
@@jakesp16 Thank you for your feedback. Glad you liked it.
Thanks for the review.👍What would sound better Bose Sub2 with 2 S1 Pro speakers or 2 QSC CP8? Thanks
Tough question! I would go with 2S1 Pro's/Sub2 As long as you play the S1's below 100dB that would be a full range/hifi sounding system. 2 CP8's would be incredibly loud with crystal clear highs. CP8's have little bass. CP8's Need a subwoofer!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks for the reply. I had in mind as 2 QSC CP8 also with Bose Sub2 together, not without Subwoofer, how will it be better 2 S Pro with Bose Sub2 Set or 2 QSC with Bose Sub2 Set? Thanks
@@michaelbrasoveanu88 The advantages to consider the S1Pro is if you need internal battery, Bluetooth music playback, you are busking, or you need reverb.
QSC CP8's are many levels better than the S1Pro's. Of course most people use a mixer with the QSC's where the Bose can be connected by Bluetooth. CP8 is a far more dynamic speaker, very live sounding! The Bose sounds nice on medium volume. At high volume near 95dB they start to get harsh. The CP8 has incredible headroom and stays crystal clear at their maximum. QSC has a 6 year warranty! The QSC CP8/Sub2 is a great combination! Really depends on what you need?
👏👏👏👏 parabéns pelo vídeo, obrigado
Thank you!
Hi i have 1 qsc cp 8 for karaoke at home. Would it sound better with 2 speaker? Thanks.
Yes! for any kind of use playing recorded tracks, a stereo pair 10-15 feet apart makes a huge difference. The ultimate system would be a pair of CP8's with a small subwoofer like a Bose Sub1 or EV ELX12-Sp.
IMO, you shouldn’t call a review a “shootout” unless you include an audio comparison. Most of us are capable of reading the spec sheets, and don’t need help in that department. Also, IMO, you shouldn’t include an audio comparison that is just recorded on a smartphone mic. Ideally, you should be using a pair of good small-diaphragm condenser mics plugged into a 24 bit A/D audio interface. I do appreciate the care that you go to when determining/comparing max volume of powered speakers. With all of the inflated power and max SPL specs being posted, you’re really providing a service by providing us some more realistic measurements.
PS - If you do include an audio comparison, can you please find some more representative audio clips that at least include some vocals and real instruments. Even hearing you talk through a vocal mic would be more useful than listening to some techno-pop instrumental clip that has no real acoustic instruments in it.
I do this just for fun and try to help people wade through the numerous similar products available. Giving people specs on one or more speakers saves people a lot of time. I try to give the specs and explain what they mean for the people just starting out. I will take your suggestion about a mic demo-thanks. If you have any audio clips of acoustic instruments, please send. I make on average $15 per video, not exactly a job to retire on.
Great idea, Please send cash, I'll purchase a pair of good small-diaphragm condenser mics plugged into a 24 bit A/D audio interface! :)
How long does that battery power the CP8 for?
It’s no battery power for cp8
@@WeBoogie28 There’s a portable battery shown at the end of the video.
what is the black spot on the cp8 grill?
Not sure, something with the tweeter?
Two different speakers here the QSC is a pro level speaker for Musicians with good pre amps thats the problem with the Bose s1 Shitty pre amps plug in a vocal mic and you will see hopefully QSC will add bluetooth at some point I personally would buy the Bose if the pre amps were much better quality. Also lots of singer songwriters in my area complaining that they cant get the vocals up high enough to be heard clean on the s1 pro when out playing live i know of 3 who have sold it and got the new Electro Voice Everse 8 now that speaker can get it done .
I actually talked to QSC tech support and asked if they had plans to put out a column array? They said, No because those type of speakers/ Bluetooth are not considered pro speakers.
Good review. At volume, the quality of CP8 sound is far superior. Far better for keyboards = CP8. Better for vocals = CP8. I have both and use both. It's CP8 all the way. I will use the Bose if I'm playing background music in a nursing home. No kidding.
Couldn't have said it better myself! QSC for live gigs, Bose for fun.
It's much like the 40 year old Bose/Klipsch comparison. In the days when only the Klipsch Legend series existed (While Paul was still in charge.) There never was any real comparison but those of us who could actually hear well enough to know defaulted to, "Well, if you like Cadillacs, you'll like Bose. If you like Porsch, you'll prefer Klipsch." They never seemed to catch that because it seemed to satisfy them. LOL@@WWeiss-nv5vz
Where you getting$399 for qsc? All I'm seeing is$479 when I search it. Also thanks for review
I made this video awhile ago. I got it for $399, still a bargain at $479. The only speaker that I would compare it to in this price range would be the Turbosound iP300. czcams.com/video/lrnlF-retqk/video.html
I am interested in sound quality which has better sound quality Bose s1 or qsc cp8?
At low to medium volume say under 85dB they sound the same. At higher volumes QSC is in another league. If you need internal battery and can afford the extra $$$ the JBL MK2 is much more musical and full range compared to either. czcams.com/video/dk_4AHuIPZw/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz rcf art 708 vs qsc quality sound?
@@_Davyid_ I have never heard the 708. I have the RCF TT10 which is $3,000, so I am very familiar with the RCF sound. QSC sound is very similar - super clean high frequency performance. 708 specs say 127dB. That is equal to the QSC K8.2 a more expensive speaker. I go with QSC for their 6 year warranty! czcams.com/video/nymc8nQLL5w/video.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks!
Hello, I am using two Bose S1PRO speakers in stereo mode with the Bose Connect app. I am looking to add a subwoofer to the system for more bass response. I am using this system at home in my living room for playing my Apple music library and maybe for connection to my TV also at some point. do you have any recommendations for the subwoofer. thanks for your help Mr. Weiss
What's your budget? Least expensive Behringer B1200 $350, most expensive and very large for the home, the Bose Sub2 $1,300. Best choice Bose Sub1 at $900. How loud do you play and what type of music? Glad to help you decide if you give me more information. Check out these videos: czcams.com/video/gldnIZV7hjA/video.html
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@@WWeiss-nv5vz Good Morning Mr. Weiss the room measures 15ft x 12ft I don't play it too loud unless for certain songs. my music taste consists of Classic Rock, Big Band, Latin Jazz, Sinatra , a lot of different Genres. I 'm not a big fan of Rap or Hip Hop but maybe a song or two. the budget is up to $1000. thanks for your help and let me know if you need more info. this is a permanent setup in my media room
@@richroggio Your buying decision is simple. The Bose Sub2 would be a waste of money with the type of music you play. I use the Sub2 for live drums but when I play it in the home I have to turn it down to 10:30. A waste of power.
The Bose Sub1 integrates perfectly with the S1Pros. You will love it!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks Bill I was looking at the Behringer 12 inch that you suggested and that doesn't look bad either. one more question Bill how do I connect the Sub 1 to the two S1Pro stereo speakers ? thanks again Bill
@@richroggio If you want ultra light at 20lbs, $400 you can get the Fishman Sub300. Be aware you can't mount the S1Pro over it because a regular size sub pole doesn't work with the Fishman sub. Also at 109dB Sub300 won't be as loud as the next heavier group.
So my top choices would be: Bose Sub1 at 36lbs,118dB which is twice as loud, but some people don't like the look of the sub in the horizontal position, EV ELX200-12 at 42lbs, and RCF 702 also 42lbs. Both more powerful than the Bose. If you want more info about any let me know. czcams.com/video/9BzibhD9Ghg/video.html
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I would like to see a future review
Of the new
JBL PRX ONE column line array
Which has a built in 7-Chanel mixer
With blue tooth
I agree, I'm waiting for the first CZcams video.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz
I actually purchased one
A week ago
I just used it at a gig
This passed Sunday
I’m very impressed
I’m a solo guitar/singer
I was about to purchase the
Bose Pro 16
Bought this instead
Because of the 7-Chanel built in
Mixer and 5.0 Bluetooth
Love to get your shoot out
Bose pro-16
Vs
JBL Pro one
👍
Keep up the good work
Love your honesty
And straight forward reviews
@@rodneygoodman9502 Thanks for the compliments! Bose Pro16 is not a future purchase because I have the Pro32/Sub2 which I love! Maybe you can be the first on CZcams to review the JBL Pro One? How's the bass? Does it punch like a real subwoofer?
I believe it’s a pretty close match to the base punch of the Bose-Pro-16
Also pretty close to the QSC k112 sub
QSC-sub has a slight edge
But I have to say in my opinion
The new JBL Pro one is a
great Alternative
based on
price, 7-Chanel mixer and 5.0 Bluetooth
Great bang for your buck
Also the downloadable Eq-app is nice
The base does seem to have a good punch which is based on a backing track
I use on a song that has a good base and
Drums I was pleasantly surprised
@@rodneygoodman9502 Sounds impressive if it is anywhere near a QSC K112!
We toured this summer with a pair of QSC K8s, and though they're compact, by the time you include the mixer, the stands, the mic stands and the board, it took up half of our Honda CRV. So I always appreciate compact and lightweight equipment. That said, the Bose is a specialized piece of gear. Its feature set is awesome: battery power, light weight, Bluetooth and 2 channel mixer. But its not going to cover a large crowd, or a large area. It's grab-and-go for only the smallest gigs. On the other hand, a pair of QSCs will suffice at an outdoor gig with 150 - 200 people. So really, it would be nice to have a pair of QSCs CP8s plus the Bose S1 for house concert type gigs. And the Bose can double as a monitor when its not the main system.
I agree 100%, that's why I have both!
So I have the s1 pro, you are saying that I should get one qsc (can't afford 2) and use my s1 pro as a monitor?
EV ZXA1-90 8" powered speaker (19 lbs).
Never heard it but specs show almost as good as QSC K8.2 which is more $$$. Thanks!
S1 pro ? Simply Rocks! Like nothing for its size!
True!
Absolutely 100% Bose 👍👍👍. Can’t touch Bose Auto EQ and Clean Reverb ! None On the Qsc 👎
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Coming to you as a certified computer and network engineer, building and fixing electronics for 30 years including guitar luthier, amplifiers and everything in between. Not to mention a musician, audio engineer, musician that plays all the instruments, sings live performances all the time, and a lot more... Not enough time lol..
Also the extra things with the Bose s1 pro the bells and whistles as you call. YOU'RE PAYING MONEY FOR EXTRA THINGS LOL!! Extra things that can break easily overtime..
You can get the CP8 for $400!! The s1 pro on average cost $600!! You're paying for that battery!! And you're paying for a lesser performance using the battery not as loud not as good!! More dynamic impression and everything in between.
And the CPA outperforms the s1 pro in just about every way!! Including SPL levels. Everything's not about SPL how loud some goes it's sound quality too.. But the CP8 also sounds better..
In other words QSC gets it they put stuff in there for their professional crowd real musicians things people really need.. QSC KNOWS WHAT REALLY MATTERS AND WHAT DOESN'T!! BOSE IS MORE GIMMICKY.. LIKE THAT SPEAKER THEY MADE A LONG TIME AGO TONS OF SMALL LITTLE SPEAKERS IN AN ARRAY COMPLETELY OVERPRICED... I think that people are all caught up with bells and whistles I think it's more of a gimmick type thing..
I've never been to a show WHERE I DIDN'T PLUG IN SOMETHING LOL!! If you want battery powered you buy a small speaker for the outside at house a little party or whatever like a JBL Xtreme or party speaker..
The right application for the right situation.. Bluetooth doesn't matter because you can buy a battery-powered Bluetooth for under $20 on Amazon and if it breaks you can always buy another.. BATTERIES NEVER LAST BUDDY!! NEVER AT ALL!! Especially if you use them a lot so if you're constantly using a battery WHEN THERE IS ELECTRICITY RIGHT THERE THAT'S KIND OF CREATING A NEW TYPE OF DUMB SERIOUSLY!! Use electricity use the cord you get better performance too. Do you know how much cost to replace that battery if something goes wrong? AND IT WILL!! You're probably looking at $300!! Might as well buy a new speaker..
The way that I look at something like the Bose, you're falling for the BANANA IN THE TAILPIPE!! When are those bells and whistles truly needed in any live situation?
you're paying for them!!! When you really don't need them!! AND BECAUSE IT'S BOSE YOU'RE OVERPAYING!!
Their products are pretty cool. BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS OVERPRICED AND OVERRATED! So many better choices out there like QSC!!
And remember Bose is kind of a fraud!! They love to do their ( JUST USE YOUR EARS AND NEVER GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICATIONS CRAP!! TOTAL DISINGENUOUS STATEMENTS!! )
You should have both if you pay not much money!!
Beware the Bluetooth on the S1 Pro. This is a known grievance among owners of this unit. I've owned mine for 3 years now and have gigged with it a dozens and dozens of time. I love the speaker a lot. But the Bluetooth implementation is atrocious on any music that has a big bottom end (Funk,DJ, etc). Something in Bose EQ turns the signal to mud. Sounds much better with a cable connect. You may not experience the problem but I have as well as many others. Check out the forum. I don't believe Bose has acknowledged or corrected the problem.
Thanks for the heads up. Never heard of that issue. Solution - gigs, never use Bluetooth - hardwire!
As for the backing tracks if you're serious about sound quality you should always be using a cord. You're already using mp3 compression wherever your source is from. Every time you had something wirelessly your degrading the sound quality.
Life situations you want to sound as best as you can.. I always use cords when I can. Even playing the guitar.. yeah I have a wireless system I'm sorry the cords sound better More expression less delay.. But that's another story..
Good point about hard wiring for best sound quality! Using any kind of mixer really makes an incredible difference. Bluetooth is just for fun and convenience.
Do this with the Everse.
Good idea- future video.
@@WWeiss-nv5vzfor sure. I think these all go to show the specs are very much pushed. The Everse claims to be 121 decibels yet the CP8 claims 124…so they should in theory be barely different. I don’t believe that’ll be true.
S1
Jan. 2024. The Bose is $499 now. The price went down.
The QSC CP8 is also $499. The price went up.
CP8 still a bargain!
me gusta el fin de los vídeos. pero no creo se su competencia directa el qsc. son 2 equipos muy similares solo en tamaño,mas no en prestaciones . el s1pro solo esta destinado para música portátil y para músicos callejeros. y el qsc es mas para un evento con mas personas. yo tuve el s1 pro y muchas veces me dejo tirado hasta en un evento de 50 personas. el qsc no lo ubiera echo tiene mas potencia es buena marca. en fin creo yo la comparación solo es en el tamaño en lo demás no hay una comparación justa
One’s a cheetah the other one’s a lion they are both useful
The CPA only weighs 21 lb!! I think you said it weighs 30 lb You are incorrect..
21 lbs is the spec, I stand corrected.
If bose can up its power to 121 db for this speaker, it would fly off the shelves
Agree! Waiting for the Bose S1MK2 with 8 or 10 inch speaker and proper App. S1 Pro came out in 2018, they have a lot of competition.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Is the S1MK2 coming out soon?
@@Vanhalen1 No official word but they have lowered their price possibly before introducing a new model. S1 Pro has been out for 5 years.
@W. Weiss I'm a solo acoustic performer using a Jbl 15 Pak from the 1990's or whenever. It's loud as hell and has a 4 band eq with 4 channels. They don't make em like that anymore. I use two for the outside shows.
I do have a Bose L1 Compact for some shows. It's better than all of the newer bose Arrays and all of the other brands too.
@@Vanhalen1 Bet the JBL's are heavy? The new Bose Pro32 is super light weight but they made the columns out of Coke cans aluminum! People are buying heavy hard cases to protect. There goes the weight savings:)
So why would someone add another spkr. To either? Be nice to talk about the benefits of things like this. May seem obvious but for ex.
Does connecting another bose s1 then give stereo out put ? Is there a setting for this ?
How is the imaging when or if you do that.
Would you use these just as P.A. gear do they work well as big ass primary home stereo spkrs. Are either of these stereo able anyway.
Appreciate the vid. But have not heard what I'd like to so far.. made from abs plastic .. fascinating.
Non locking power cables. Thank god someone tripping doesn't bring the house down.
Pls add a lot more real world functionality uses.
Yes, using the Bose Connect App you can add a second S1pro run wirelessly in true left/right stereo. If you want to run a stereo pair with the QSC you will need a mixer. Any time you add a second speaker about ten feet apart it makes a huge difference in imaging! These can be used as a stereo pair for home use but both definitely require a subwoofer to get full range sound. At low to medium volumes traditional hi-fi speakers will have a better midrange and cleaner high end, but at loud volumes say 90dB plus these will sound more dynamic or live sounding. I have another video on the subject: czcams.com/video/nPjECZgscLs/video.html Feel free to write back any other questions.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz We bought a Yamaha MG10XU for about $200. It is pretty small, has USB out, digital effects, 6 channels with 4 XLR, phantom power, etc. Outstanding value for the money, and it runs our QSCs, plus a monitor.
@@BruceKaplan I also have the MG10XU. Love it! Are you aware you can mount it on a mic stand?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz is the Yamaha a better option than s1 pro or cp8?
@@havenlane992 Which Yamaha, they have different lines? Yamaha is on par with QSC. I have not A/B ed the Yamaha sound vs the Bose S1.
Shoot out with no sound test. WTH!!!
Have to agree with you, but in this case the QSC CP8 is so superior as far as volume, specs alone tell the story. The results are so huge a sound test would have been a waste of time. The surprising results I mentioned in the title is the fact that the S1 sounds as good as the QSC at low to medium volume. Unless you need internal reverb/ battery/Bluetooth QSC is in another league!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Yes the video is good with a lot of info but to hear a comparison between the two with a title like that it’s kind of a given.
THIS IS ALSO TRUE I HAVE THE CP8 LOVE IT. Bose has always been overrated and too expensive for what you get.. You always pay for the name. This is why they never give you specifications I would never buy a Bose product.. not impressed with them not impressed with how much they cost for what you get. So many better options out there!!
Need more musical comparisons and less talk. I would like to hear the speakers.
Since there aren't enough tracks I can use without running into Copyright issues my talk/experience will hopefully help people decide what to purchase?
Cp8 ? 😂. Cant hold a candle to the S1 Pro ! I owned a CP8 and returned it the next day !
BOSE MP1 PRO VERSUS QSC CP8
Coming to you as a certified computer and network engineer, building and fixing electronics for 30 years including guitar luthier, amplifiers and everything in between. Not to mention a musician, audio engineer, musician that plays all the instruments, sings live performances all the time, and a lot more... Not enough time lol..
Also the extra things with the Bose s1 pro the bells and whistles as you call. YOU'RE PAYING MONEY FOR EXTRA THINGS LOL!! Extra things that can break easily overtime..
You can get the CP8 for $400!! The s1 pro on average cost $600!! You're paying for that battery!! And you're paying for a lesser performance using the battery not as loud not as good!! More dynamic impression and everything in between.
And the CPA outperforms the s1 pro in just about every way!! Including SPL levels. Everything's not about SPL how loud some goes it's sound quality too.. But the CP8 also sounds better..
In other words QSC gets it they put stuff in there for their professional crowd real musicians things people really need.. QSC KNOWS WHAT REALLY MATTERS AND WHAT DOESN'T!! BOSE IS MORE GIMMICKY.. LIKE THAT SPEAKER THEY MADE A LONG TIME AGO TONS OF SMALL LITTLE SPEAKERS IN AN ARRAY COMPLETELY OVERPRICED... I think that people are all caught up with bells and whistles I think it's more of a gimmick type thing..
I've never been to a show WHERE I DIDN'T PLUG IN SOMETHING LOL!! If you want battery powered you buy a small speaker for the outside at house a little party or whatever like a JBL Xtreme or party speaker..
The right application for the right situation.. Bluetooth doesn't matter because you can buy a battery-powered Bluetooth for under $20 on Amazon and if it breaks you can always buy another.. BATTERIES NEVER LAST BUDDY!! NEVER AT ALL!! Especially if you use them a lot so if you're constantly using a battery WHEN THERE IS ELECTRICITY RIGHT THERE THAT'S KIND OF CREATING A NEW TYPE OF DUMB SERIOUSLY!! Use electricity use the cord you get better performance too. Do you know how much cost to replace that battery if something goes wrong? AND IT WILL!! You're probably looking at $300!! Might as well buy a new speaker..
The way that I look at something like the Bose, you're falling for the BANANA IN THE TAILPIPE!! When are those bells and whistles truly needed in any live situation?
you're paying for them!!! When you really don't need them!! AND BECAUSE IT'S BOSE YOU'RE OVERPAYING!!
Their products are pretty cool. BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS OVERPRICED AND OVERRATED! So many better choices out there like QSC!!
And remember Bose is kind of a fraud!! They love to do their ( JUST USE YOUR EARS AND NEVER GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICATIONS CRAP!! TOTAL DISINGENUOUS STATEMENTS!! )
You should have both if you pay not much money!!
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As for the backing tracks if you're serious about sound quality you should always be using a cord. You're already using mp3 compression wherever your source is from. Every time you had something wirelessly your degrading the sound quality.
Life situations you want to sound as best as you can.. I always use cords when I can. Even playing the guitar.. yeah I have a wireless system I'm sorry the cords sound better More expression less delay.. But that's another story..
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There are trade-offs with dispersion if you understand audio engineering. The question is what's the frequency you response at those dispersions if it's not very flat then it's basically useless.. also the wider dispersion that you have the less efficient the speaker is.. meaning how loud it could go.
90° is a perfect dispersion You call it a beam how is 90° of beam lol we are most of people are in your crowd if you're a DJ or if they're listening they're going to be plenty far back enough to hear everything perfectly. Then of course you have the venue you're doing if the venue has bad acoustical properties and all that stuff sometimes you don't want the dispersion to be all over the place sometimes people don't want to hear and be right in front of the speakers cuz it's too loud.
All depends we are on what you're doing where you're listening from.
Again a win FOR THE QSC CUZ THEY KNOW IT MATTERS AND WHAT DOESN'T!!
I don't consider the Bose speaker a good live speaker it's a good party speaker for your house.. NOT TO MENTION OVERPRICED PARTY SPEAKER!!