The Case for each GOAT Team
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- A compilation of my GOAT Team Series, with a new team added in.
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A compilation video of my “GOAT Team” series. For those of you who have seen every video in the series so far, the new addition is the 2013-14 San Antonio Spurs, and their segment begins at 1:06:42.
Here’s a timestamp for each segment.
0:17 An explanation for the GOAT team list
0:50 85-86 Boston Celtics
07:19 82-83 Philadelphia 76ers
13:05 00-01 Los Angeles Lakers
21:17 88-89 Detroit Pistons
29:35 71-72 Los Angeles Lakers
36:39 16-17 Golden State Warriors
44:27 12-13 Miami Heat
51:00 95-96 Chicago Bulls
58:48 86-87 Los Angeles Lakers
01:06:42 13-14 San Antonio Spurs
Did you see what Jokic and Murray did last night? They actually did (ok, for this game) better than batman and robin. One was superman the other supergirl, wait that didn't come off right...
Wonder Woman maybe?
I feel like you should include the 93'-94' Rockets. With only one superstar and no other all-star help they pulled together to win the championship. In my eyes, that is what truly makes a team.
Please can you one day breakdown the 2013 finals.
A lot of people talk about Tim Duncan not being in the game but I believe the mistake began before that game.
Kawhi was on LeBron who didn't score 20 points in the first 3 games. Pops switched it up cos in the regular season Diaw did a great job on LeBron so he implemented it in the playoffs but that was were the mistake began. Only if Pop left Kawhi on LeBron. Spurs go on to win.
This is the memory I have, I was young at the time. I've never seen that series since.
Could you please breakdown why Spurs lost in 2013. Where did it change truly.
Why 1961-62 Celtics, 1966-67 Philadelpia 76ers, and 1972-73 Knicks didnt made the cut?
@@ironangel667 lol
Anyone else feel like Jonny Arnet has lived forever after hearing him mention all the games he has watched in his life? lol
No cap
Lol, he sounds young but damn seem like he was watching the 60s.
@@Mektek19 for real this what I mean 🤣🤣🤣
Yes bro lmfao, it’s like man has seen every important and non important nba game ever
its wild he sounds like a 24 year old college kid
2014 Spurs was perhaps 3 years too late for Tim Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker and 2 years too early for Kawhi Leonard from being the best without question. Still, they were GOAT contenders.
Agreed
@@facelessandnameless top 5 lakers dynasties of all time
5 - 2012/13 Miami Heat
4 - 2015/16 Warriors
3 - 2013/14 Spurs
2 - 1995/96 Bulls
1 - 2000/2001 Lakers
2011 was the first down year of Timmy's career.
@@benjaminan1183 no tim duncan play since 1983
@@youngboy2pacdrake ? whats this list 15/16 warriors??
Crazy tidbit about the 96 Bulls - their last three regular season losses were all by one single point (L v. Pacers 100-99, L v. Hornets 98-97, L v. Raptors 109-108). They could have gone 75-7 had those three losses gone the other way!!! (And they never won a game by one point - all 72 wins were by two or more points)
Thank for pointing this significant detail. A lot of people don't know that.
I love how each of these teams are constructed differently, they didn’t play like each other, and yet each of them was great.
Yup the diversity of playstyles and player skills is great to see. Some of these teams were soo good that the bench unit got almost equal timing as the starters.
It's nice to see that this is the case because it doesn't force each new team to fit a specific mold. They can create new team dynamics and styles based on strength and weakness of each player
That’s what made the older years of the nba so great. We’re finally seeing some resurgence of different play styles after 5-6 years of every team trying to be the warriors. I still hate the amount of 3’s teams take. When they’re going in for both teams it makes for a great game. But if one or both teams have a bad shooting night it’s just not fun to watch. I also hate how defense has been completely reduced to a degree that it’s almost a joke. Averaging 30 points a game used to be iconic. Now there’s like a dozen player in the league currently averaging over 30. Guys are putting up 40 points nightly. Seeing someone put up 50 isn’t even a massive deal anymore. Some of the stars you can barely touch without them getting free throws. Hell, sometimes they just throw their body into the defender and toss the ball up and THEY get free throws. Not to mention carrying being essentially legal now where you can just put your entire hand under the ball without it getting called. Then you have traveling. That’s gotten to the point of absurdity. Every night I watch players not only take an extra step but you see plays where a star will take 5 steps without a whistle. I understand people like offense but they’ve taken it way over the top IMO
The Bulls followed up the 95-96 season by going 69-13 the next year and winning another title.
In the 3 seasons of the Bulls 2nd three-peat, they went 203-43 during the regular season and 45-13 in the playoffs for a 248-56 overall record.
That is a .815 winning %.
The Kobe/Shaq 2000-2002 Lakers three-peat team had a .745 winning % and did not even win 60 games in two of those 3 seasons.
Bulls also had 3 to 4 players standing at 7-foot or taller to guard Shaq. And of course, 3 first defensive team players and two more great defensive players, Ron Harper and Randy Brown. The bench averaged over 50% field goal in most games.
I know they didn't have the numbers, but I've always felt the 1st Bulls threepeat team was better. Never saw pro team run a better full court press.
The lakers didn’t take the season seriously, especially shaq. But that 01 team would have beat any other team in history
Amen
But that was the 90s! Jordans post seasons teams in the 80s couldn't reach the nba finals so how can they claim the best ever?
The spurs team in 13-14 took me from a bball fan to a lifer obsessed with everything about it. Just beautiful ball played and the fact that it was an older team with no major scorers, just solid team play, made it so impressive 👏
That’s sad
yup...and created the model for the Warriors...that is how the game SHOULD be played right
@@elijahlei1110Players win awards. 🥇 Teams win rings. 💍
@@elijahlei1110naw Golden State had to go and get KD to win. Spurs team was organic.
@elcochino8139 they won BEFORE KD...and they won RIGHT AFTER KD...soooo...no they didnt NEED KD. KD needed THEM TO GET a ring...and THEY NEEDED the league to officiate fairly...Lebron should have been ejected right along with Draymond that year and impartial people know that. NOWHERE in ANY GYM or on ANY COURT or FIELD is it ok to walk OVER another man. The league wanted a "rivalry" so they did what they did. let's not act like the Warriors NEEDED KD...lol
Now those are some fantastic teams! Who wouldn't take out a huge loan to see some of these teams play each other? These teams were all hitting on every cylinder and had a chance of beating the other team. Just as in boxing; "styles makes fights"....there is no team out there that would "beat everybody". Love the history Jonny, keep it up!
Honestly, it's a basketball fan's Absolute dream
Let's just throw together our own fantasy tournament!!!
I think the Bulls would have the best chance, the pistons beat both the Celtics and the Lakers, the early Bulls beat them, and the Bulls beat teams who had great inside presence, great outside presence...
Why does this sound like an AI generated comment lol. It's clearly not but for some reason your rhetoric sounds robotic.
Julius Erving, who has won championships in the NBA and ABA, is truly amazing.
That 1982-83 Sixers team with Erving, Moses, Cheeks, Toney, .Jones, Richardson are so overlooked usually.
@@dougdickason they should’ve won mutiple chips but injuries and a upset in 1984 to the New Jersey nets
@@tj5180 yeah and the Doc was starting to slow down in '83-84 and i wish Moses could have gotten to Philly in 1980 when Doc was MVP and Philly had gotten to the finals several times but lost to LA. I think Philly would have won at least won an additional title had Moses been there in 1980.
@@tj5180I looked at the nets and 76s. How did they lose to them? Major upset crazy
@@dougdickason i always wonder why the 82-83 Sixers didn't repeat or contend the following years, and why Moses left so soon!
Ayo Jonny is moving mad with these daily uploads.
Keep it going tho, I ain't complaining.
'93 Bulls won AFTER winning 2 Championships (justifies their low win total of 57) AFTER '92 Dream Team AND Charles Barkley going to Phoenix WITH almost every top player healthy and in their prime (Derrick Coleman, Danny Manning, Brad Daugherty, Drazen Petrovic, Shaq) except for Reggie Lewis; they finished Playoffs going 8-2 v 60-win teams (after going 0-2 v Knicks, an obvious negative for GOAT team) who excelled at Defense (Knicks) and Offense (Phoenix)... MJ averaged 41 in Finals while Pippen played MVP caliber ball and the Bulls shot 40% Threes for Playoffs (46% in Finals) while Horace Grant kept Barkley at his season averages... fax!!!
You forgot Boris Diaw.. For 14' Spurs. He was key player for ball movement. His high post play and cut and pass wer excelent. Also he was a grat defender in playoffs. To me he was the finals MVP..
Idk about finals MVP. It was a hard pick as that team was so well balanced that it could have gone to several players IMO. I think Leonard was the right choice but Diaw was an incredibly underrated player
The 96 Bulls had the #1 Def & Off with three of the five best defenders in the NBA and won 72 games and the chip case closed
Yeah, it’s really hard for me to see any team beating them in a seven game series.
It ultimately comes down the the Bulls Offense vs the Warriors Defense; MJ gonna score like 35 a night but I see it’ll be very hard for Pip and Kukoc to get their regular numbers.
Sounds like a superteam
@@Dr.J42 "MJ gonna score like 35 a game".You mean 45?
96 Bulls for me too. To me, the toughest competition to the Bulls would be a hot shooting 17 warriors team (and they would have to shoot it well). And then I’d say the 86 Celtics and the 14 spurs because they were superior passing/IQ teams. Celtics were deep and big as hell. You’d have to have great ball movement to pacify the 96 Bulls defense
Great job. Maybe one of Russel's Celtics, or the Wilt's Sixers should be mentioned as well. I also think you could have added a few words about Boris Diaw, who had an important role for the "beautiful game" Spurs. Had him assisting on 5-6 highlights...
That 13-14 Spurs team was the greatest team basketball I’ve ever seen. Especially in that Finals against the Heat. Duncan’s all time great defense and leadership, Manu’s craftiness and creativity and Tony’s fast paced and attacking style was amazing to watching. Add in young Kawhi with his defense and shooting along with Danny Green and the other Frenchmen that they had off the bench and they were a treat to watch definitely
Sorry but showtime lakers and larry bird Celtics teams are literally 2014 spurs on steroids
@@eleganteaura not with the 3 point shooting of the Spurs are you crazy lol
Did you watch the 86 Celtics?
Boris Diaw is who the other french guy and should've gotten the MVP
I like all of the comparing for the greatest team. But a history making great team will be a great team the next year as well. That will dispell a fluke season. I look at kenny Smith speak of there 2 championship seasons and how they would have beaten the bulls. But where were they in 93 or 96. I heard said that if Jordan wouldn't have left to play baseball that he would have lost to them,but I say different. Jordan was was at his prime with the same supporting cast minus Rodman. The only missing component during those years was Jordan, who pushed his team during practices to be ready for any team any time any era.
My pick is the 2001 Lakers. Not only did they go 15-1 in the playoffs, but they did it while obliterating the competition. The Spurs team that they swept in the WCF was ELITE. And they won by an average margin of 23 ppg. Not only that, but statistically they had the 2nd most difficult playoff run in nba history, only after the 1995 Rockets. So they went 15-1 with historically difficult competition. It’s insane what they did.
Yeah but it’s all about matchups and you’re matching that 01 team with other all time incredible teams like the 86 Celtics, 96 bulls, 17 warriors, 14 spurs, 13 heat ect and the fact the lakers were quite literally carried by their superstar duo it’s really hard to see them beating all those teams in a 7 game series and I’m a die hard laker fan. Personally give me the 88 lakers
@@VincentVincent_89 You’re underestimating how good the role players were on that Lakers team. The entire team was full of winners who could and all did hit big time shots in huge moments.
@@facelessandnameless I think you’re overestimating the 01 lakers and every team I just mentioned had a better bench
Question for you. Do you think opponent regular season record an effective way to compare difficult playoff runs across years? I started questioning it when someone said Denver's run this year is historically easy. On paper sure their opponents have poor records, but the LA & Phoenix late trades definitely made those teams more competitive than their record would suggest and Miami is obviously no joke. This year's weird scenarios aside, I wonder if league-wide parity plays too big of a role. If there are a few great teams and a lot of mediocre teams, a good team's record would be inflated compared to a similar team who plays in a league with a lot of solid teams. You'd expect even a historically great team to lose a few regular-season match ups against good teams, and that might not happen if there is less parity. Thoughts?
@@spencersandberg7753 top 5 lakers dynasties of all time
5 - 2012/13 Miami Heat
4 - 2015/16 Warriors
3 - 2013/14 Spurs
2 - 1995/96 Bulls
1 - 2000/2001 Lakers
It's so easy to hate on the 96 Bulls, downplaying the factors that made them successful, but those variables have been present in multiple seasons, so why haven't any other teams won 70 games AND the championship? Simple, because it takes more than outside factors to make you great. Better players have been out together, but didn't meet with anywhere near the amount of success.
2017 warriors?
@@antiarezzo7630 won 67 games and the ring...same as the 92 Bulls.
The 96 Bulls get dumb arguments like "it was an expansion year", or "the comp was bad that year", and folks act like that was the only expansion year, or a year that teams were "bad"...so how come teams didn't win 72 games and the championship that year? The whole idea that teams were bad is also a joke, because there are bad teams every year. Maybe it was more like the Bulls were so much better that they made the comp look bad.
@@RetroKid expansion and inflated wins could be said the same thing to the 2016 warriors who did they face majority of those wins and amount of teams that had their best player missing games like the spurs and Cleveland with kyrie playing only 53 games. The warriors barely faced anyone in the playoffs a Portland team with dame and CJ also the rockets who were chokers, okc almost lost that series
@@tj5180 exactly. For as much as people want to bag on 90s competition, the players of that era showed up night in and night out, and this load management garbage wasn't even a thing. On paper, teams are strong, but when you've got 2-3 superstars on a team and they alternate nights off to save themselves for an inevitably futile run in the playoffs, this era of basketball just doesn't get much respect from me.
@@RetroKid bro they won 73 games last year without KD. You really think they were giving it there all every day of the regular season 🤣 Reminder that they beat a SUPER TEAM and everyone was acting like the warriors already one the chip before the playoffs even started. It's not a debate
Those 80's teams are all beasts. Look at all the winning teams. So many Hall of Famers
Yes because the league was very top heavy back then
@@mattsell2361 always has been always will be, we’ll get a few seasons of change up here and there
every team on this list could give each other work
Tell that to jj rideck and his companions, clutching sports 😂😂
@@JohnnyRodgers3Hell yes. I was thinking that Artificial Intelligence may yet bless us with fabricated game between 2017 Warriors and 1986 Celtics
Just by your logic and watching this video, the 96 Chicago Bulls are clearly the best team of all time. 72 wins, #1 offense, #1 defense, beat teams by an average of 12.2 points per game. No team in NBA history is beating that team. 😅
Also they are objectively the greatest defensive team of all time. The limited a team with Shaquille O'Neal to under 60 points in one game😂
@@whenisdinner2137 I got the warriors
@@jakewalker4887Warriors would be a worthy opponent for them, greatest perimeter offense vs greatest perimeter defense.
They also had the best rebounder of all time.
@@jayh9144 he is not the best rebounder of all time. Get a grip buddy
It's crazy how a lot of these teams existed at the same time: 71 Bucks & 72 Lakers. 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers & 89 Pistons. 13 Heat & 14 Spurs ..
Those were teams that paid their dues mostly.
@@joshdarius5995 exactly .. they de-throned the champs on order to become champs themselves
I agree with all your selections Jonny.
Nice show of love for one of the clutches Lakers -little Derek Fisher.
Rodman is clearly one of the best rebounders of all time, but there's absolutely no argument for him being thr best. Rodman averaged just under 14 per game, but both Chamberlain and Russell averaged an absurd 22 per game.
💯👍👏!
Nah! You need to take in concideration pace of the game. During Rodman's era pace average was in the 90s pos pg. Chamberlain and Russell's era 125 avrg X 2 teams. There's a difference of 70 more posesions a game in the 60s with less scoring eficiency which equals more rebounds, blocks and more everything. That's why the numbers are so inflated. If you adjust for pace Rodman was a better rebounder than both. Not to mention Wilt's a 7 footer.
how do you manage to make quality content like this so fast???
He had made a bunch of videos about each one individually and put them together.
With the help of ai of course 😂
@@sean_hunting ohhh makes sense, thanks
Your commenting and your English is really over the top. I enjoyed every second. 13,4 and 28,44 . Two moments of history that both concern Magic.RESPECT
Ugh, several of Portland’s best seasons came to an end at the hands of these squads. Great list!
Those Portland teams were beasts, rebounding was the best.
The Microwave has got to be one of the best NBA nicknames of all time
I gotta go with Magic
Its so Iconic, that its literally his Name now
@mell10460 hell Microwave is Vinnie name cause I feel sometimes forget his real name
He was built like one of them then, like a giant brick. The way he could always get a shot off by putting a elbow in your face on jumping into you was unstoppable and when he got hot he could hit anything midrange for 5-6 minutes
I love how you make long videos that have good quality all the way through.
Damn, I love basketball.
Same. Is there a particular team you support?
@@danihussain9783 I was born in the 90’s, naturally grew up a Bulls fan. Didn’t like what they did to Rose. Stopped watching for a couple years. Started watching DeMar DeRozan and his game, pulled me back in 2014. I’ve been watching since.
Dennis rodman was one of the first NBA players who got me to fall in love with professional basketball at a young age. And he did it as a scorer! I don't think people realize in the early days how good of a scorer Dennis rodman was...
I feel like he dedicated himself so much to defense that he got rusty handling the ball and over time he lost his confidence as an offensive scorer...
The 2017 warriors are the greatest team in nba history by a large margin. They were straight up unfair
yep
That 72-10 win Bulls team had a rebounding, size, tough, perimeter/interior defense, and 3pt shooting roster that no assembled team could touch including the Warriors...
Especially considering the Warriors lack size. MJ, Pippen, and Rodman are interchangeable in terms of matchups and could guard multiple guys. The warriors especially Draymond aren't defending a 6'6 MJ who both was the scoring champ and who made 1st Team All-Defense leading the league in stls along with Pippen who as a 16-19ppg scorer made 1st Team All-Defense. And Rodman who was a trb champ on top of also making 1st Team All-Defense. Between the 3 of them alone made 26 1st Team All-Defenses and 27 in total along with 3 DPOY, 7 trb titles and 4stls titles.
They would literally clamp up Klay, Steph, and KD who when faced with physicality and size are rendered inert on the offensive end. Stop being delusional
@@FrokuBabayy Warriors would smoke the bulls
@@GenghisClaus Only thing the Warriors could smoke is a hotdog/steak buffet for the Bulls when they get gentlemen swept with ease
@@FrokuBabayy hey how bout u shut that up before i cry
Awesome video! I grew up after Jordan's era so it was the '01 Lakers that really got me into basketball. Then, it was the '14 Spurs that made me realize how beautiful team-oriented basketball could really be. Now, for me, it's the Warriors, especially the '17 team, that IMO brought that Spurs team play to the next level.
😅 the 2001 Los Angeles Lakers where the most entertaining team I ever watched. You can talk about the 2016 warriors, or the 96 bulls, with those teams weren't nearly as fun to watch at their peak.
If the entire point of basketball professionally is for entertainment value, it's really hard to beat the 01 Los Angeles Lakers
Those finger rolls from Dr. J around the 9 min mark were absolutely insane lol
Hands down bro… you make the best NBA videos 👍🏾👍🏾
Facts
That 01 Lakers team ran through four 50+ win teams. Serious comp in the west at that period. As far as the playoff run itself goes, that was the best to me.
That is the bulk of their argument. Going through the playoffs losing only one game, and that game went into overtime.
@@fortynights1513and that was Allen Iverson just being one of the greatest of all time.
Allen Iverson went off that night in the way even I had never seen him go off.
It honestly depends on what era and refs are used. 2017 warriors didn’t have to deal with the more physical defense earlier eras but those same teams would get on crazy foul trouble with todays rules
If we teleport the 2-17 warriors to the 1980s or 1990s. those old teams are going to have no idea how to step 3 amazing marksmen raining down hell from behind the line. The 2017 warriors are also no slouches when it comes to defense too. Nothing could ever beat them in a 7 game series.
@@flashorb2707 2001 Lakers have the personnel to switch and the dubs couldn't stop AD. Shaq would eat
@@devondawkins5492 2017 Warriors have 3 guys who can legitamentally give you 50, Shaq and Kobe dont get embrassed but your counting on Shaq and Kobe to both drop 40+ EACH , 4 times. Your counting on 2 guys combining for 80 just to have a shot, it took LeBron and Kyrie both dropping 40 each 3 times, to beat the NON-KD Warriors, no one is beating GSW with healthy KD-Steph-Klay-Dray.
@@devondawkins5492
You’re comparing this year’s Warriors to the 2017 version of Golden State, which was a completely different roster, and the core guys were younger and had fresher legs. Anyhow, you’re right, no one on the 2017 Warriors would be able to stop Shaq. But who’s gonna stop the three marksmen on the Warriors? Not to mention they still had a very solid bench that year in particular in the KD era.
Shaq and Kobe wouldn’t need to go for 40 maybe kob would but not Shaq he was too dominant
Great video....these teams are amazing...also I love them having unique characteristics like 89 Bad Boys Sixers with Malone/Doctor J. All the great Celtic and Lakers teams. Great video
The Spurs were awesome lead by my favorite player ever Tim Duncan. The defense was incredible and they had snipers all over the floor. That said, Bulls in 6
I'm torn between Celtic 85-86, Bulls 95-96 , Lakers 71-72, 86-87 and 00-01
In my eyes it's got to be the Bulls because defense wins championships and there was no better defensive team ever.
@@whenisdinner2137 yet the bulls lost a whopping 3 games...
@@DonLee1980 yeah and two of them were against a 64 win team... they still have by far the best overall record in the regular season and playoffs combined.
17 warriors lol
At around 32 minutes, imagine being the leading scorer on a team with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Wilt Fing Chamberlain. Talk about underrated
Great video, I really appreciate these. Thank you
3 things.. great vid... Steve Kerr's crossover...and magic's head lookin for like four steps.. and still makes the perfect pass! Dead... 🔥
Wondering whether you considered 1970 Knicks, 1967 76ers, and 1965 Celtics when doing this team selection exercise?
I did. I could have done those teams, and the 71 Bucks as well. These were just the teams I thought had the best argument though. That's just the opinion of my finite mind though
@@jonnyarnett a video on DREAM TEAM 2 (94 FIBA Team)
@@jonnyarnett I could see why those teams have the best cases.
Of those mentioned here, the 71 Bucks deserve the most consideration in my book.
They won a record 43 games by at least 15 points
@@fortynights1513 Agreed. Im surprised they weren’t included on this video.
Great work sir. Top notch content
Been watching B-Ball for 43 years and the best teams I ever saw were '87 Lakers, '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '91 and '96 Bulls, and '89 Pistons.
never been a huge Celtics fan but that 86' team is easily the greatest ever in my book
Do a top statistical team in NBA history video. Like highest scoring teams, teams with most assists steals blocks etc
13:03 that was respect,DR.J slams ,Magic catches him under the basket.
Great content per usual
I admit to being somewhat biased, but watching the 86 Celtics dissect the other great teams of that season, with their passing, mainly, then their shooting and defense, was the best team play I have seen, to this day, in my 60 plus years of watching basketball. Individual stars are great things, but when a group of greats play team ball like that, it is a thing of beauty. Even Parrish and McHale were making great passes. I felt Walton added the umph to the already great passing and defense of that team. A once in a lifetime thing. Have to mention the rest of their bench, also.
Jordan drops 63 on their forehead which is still the playoff record. That automatically disqualifies them from the conversation in my eyes.
Great for their era, but playing a modern team their bigs wouldn’t be able to switch on to smaller guards at the perimeter and they’d get too many 3s rained on them, imagine McHale or Parish trying to defend a 2 man action with curry and draymond, or jokic and Murray
@@whenisdinner2137 Yes, but they still swept the Bulls those 2 post seasons in a row. Think what you want.
@@diegopalencia2632 That might be true, might not. By the same terms, what would your players be able to do with the passing and/or inside/outside games of Bird, Parish, McHale, Walton, Ainge and D. J? There are 2 sides to any argument.
@@wmden1 they went to overtime and had the playoff record dropped on them when MJ had crackheads on his team... They ain't better than the 96 bulls.
fw your videos keep going
1985 - 86 Celtics was the first year McHale was in the starting line-up on a regular basis. McHale's wingspan was actually 8-2 (see book The Sports Gene).
Also, what makes Bird's stats more impressive is that he did not play as much because the Celtics destroyed everyone. Bird had big numbers in close games, but when the Celtics controlled a game, Bird was great about getting others involved. A true team player.
Everyone mentions Jordan's 63 but forget to emphasize that the Bulls still lost AND Jordan only scored 19 points in the following game.
No one can beat the 2014 spurs ,the ball movement was amazing and everyone can get hot.
they played the best team basketball but they lack the talent to compete with many other teams
They nearly lost to a terrible Maverick team😂
@@Someone-hi1nt Nah they can compete with any team but the warriors have all the movement and unselfishness of the spurs while being way more talented and because they are the greatest 3 point shooting team of all time
The 86 Celtics are
They played just like the Celtics and pistons of the 2000s and then Golden State a decade later. They were ALL so good because they played 80-90s styles ball. Defense and ball movement. That's what's always won, that's what always will win, no matter how many changes they make to the game.
I feel like Jonny accounts for half of the hour+ yt videos I act watch full through
This was a great video…the case for the ‘96 Bulls is really overwhelming and enough to keep them in the top spot as the greatest team…they had the greatest player and coach in NBA history and all the other accolades to back it up…it’s up for debate and makes for crazy conversation about what it takes to be a great champion…✌️🎤🔥
Man, this video took me a week to finish but I enjoyed every second of it
The 03 Spurs are seriously under rated.
Duncan’s playoff performance was excellent.
What other team in NBA History other than the '96 Bulls had 3 1st Team All-Defenders in the starting lineup? One of whom won the scoring title in the same season? They on top of that as the #1 ranked offense and #1 ranked defense won 72 games in a season and the championship something never done before in NBA History. Its not even a debate
Still not beating the 17 Warriors
@@rogelioatempa1115 Nah they wouldn't beat them. They would dissimilate and annihilate the 2017 Warriors in all aspects of the game that aren't shooting
@@rogelioatempa1115 the 17 Warriors have literally negative defense the second Draymond Green steps off the court.
@@FrokuBabayy They would shoot and shoot and shoot, 96 bulls never faced off-ball movement like the 17 warriors and never faced the amount of switch and ball movement the 17 Warriors could deploy. One moment you have Ron harper on Curry and the next moment you have Dennis on the premier and Harper in the paint.
@@flashorb2707 So you've clearly never met Birds Celtics, ITs Pistons, The late 90s Indiana Pacers, or the Orlando Magic
Thanks for the comp
The day you stop making content will be a sad day. Awesome video as always 🔥
That 2014 spurs was a nightmare for everybody except spurs fans. That team can beat any of the goat teams on this list. No ego, unselfish basketball, full of talented players down to the core, with someone like pop guiding them. That finals performance was the best finals performed by any team for me. They went supernova on the biggest stage
They might have been able to get by the '96 bulls. As a Home town boy, and lifelong fan it feels good to think they would have had a shooter's chance. Manu will always be my favorite player. That being said, those bulls weren't losing to anyone. The beautiful game probably wouldn't have gotten past the force of nature that was the '96 bulls. As far as the greatest team? That Spurs team is probably the greatest by definition, as that squad was the height of what a team should be... But the ' 96 bulls were ordained. Go spurs go.
The 2020 Lakers Might Be The Most Underrated Team In NBA History NGL. They Don’t Get Nearlyyyyy The Credit They Deserve. That Team Was DOMINANT. 57-0 When Going Into The 4th Quarter With A Lead. LeBron At 35 Not At His Physical Peak But Definitely At His Mental Peak. People Using The Bubble To Diminish Them Has Really Clouded How Great They Were. They Were 24-3 At Christmas 😂. Anthony Davis At His Peak As An Overall Player & Also In My Opinion The Best Fit LeBron Has Ever Had With Any Teammate. Great Defensive Minded Coach In Vogel. Maybe The Biggest Team I’ve Seen. 6’9 LBJ , 6’5-6’6 KCP , 6’6 Danny Green , 6’10 Anthony Davis(Best Defender In The League), 7 Ft Javale McGee , 7 Ft Dwight Howard , 6’9 Kuzma , 6’8 Markieff Morris. Caruso 6’4 Tough As Nails & Scrappy. Elite Perimeter Defender. Rondo A Smart & Savy Vet That Also Could Still Defend A Bit. Elite Game Managers. Bron Starting At The 1 Dictating Tempo , Possessions & Pace. Soon As He Sit Down Rondo, One Of The Best Ever In That Aspect , Is Coming In The Game Right Behind Him. All Time Great Team
Great choice
2014 spurs destoyed a team with 4 hall of famers and prime Bron.
Great work dude.
Shaq and Kobe in 2001 was not Batman and Robin. They were Batman and Superman
Thank you I have been saying this for the past 20yrs😂
Yes but Superman is 100x more powerful and better than Batman. Shaq was the captain while Kobe was co captain. This coming from someone who liked Kobe over shaq his whole life. Just facts r facts.
Also Kobe cost la multiple championships because he was jealous of shaq. Ego got in his way. Brought la to a drought for years. And then won two more championships years later. Made lakers boring to watch.
The year shaq got traded to Miami shaq won championship that year. That’s shows that because of shaq they win all those championships.
Shaq won finals mvp 3x. Tells u a lot.
Shows u that shaq was in his prime and could have won with any all star or super star on his team.
Why Boris diaw was not mentioned with the Spurs. He was very effective as a Point Forward in that playoffs
Terrific video. I like the balance of it. You have to give it to either the 82-83 Sixers or the 85-86 Celtics given the deeper talent pool of the 80's total NBA over every other era. Not to take away from the 96 Bulls whose talent and 72-10 win/loss record speaks for itself, but if that Bulls team did that in the 80s, that team would hands down have been the GOAT of teams. I personally don't count any team after the 2005 season's rules change to the weenie rules making NBA basketball ball-less.
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Great list. It’s pretty much team for team with my list. I’m glad you gave those early 80’s Sixers teams a spot. I started watching basketball as a kid and remember how ridiculous Moses Malone was. To me great chemistry beats a great duo every time so if I had to rank them from the teams I’ve witnessed:
1. 86 Celtics
2. 87 Lakers
3. 14 Spurs
4. 96 Bulls
5. 01 Lakers
6. 17 Warriors
7. 83 sixers
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the 17 warriors are significantly better than the 86 celtics and the 87 lakers. The floor spacing alone eliminates pretty much all of the strengths on defense and the bigs could just get pic and rolled into oblivion. The only weakness of them is that they dont have a dominant big but that doesnt really matter when you have 3 of the best 3 point shooters of all time and 3 points is more than 2 so there is no chance your first 2 teams win.
Its always hard comparing teams from different eras,each of these teams are all great in their own way,i am an MJ fan and would go for the bulls,and i think if MJ didnt go to play baseball they would have had 8 in a row,and maybe more if Krause wasn't so focused on pushing out Phil Jackson,although it was an aging team i feel they could have gone on and won another 1 or 2 championships.
Bird, McHale, Parrish, Walton. ‘86 Celtics for the win.
Another Classic.....I Beileve the 86'-87' LAKERS are the best tean of all time🌴🏆💯‼️
That Olajuwon Rockets team is surely underrated
Damn Straight. I’m about to make a bracket list of finals teams like these and run the gauntlet on 2k
They weren’t a superteam or goat team. But ya they were underrated as a squad
so as the Spurs bro
Rockets team of Hakeem shouldve been there
@@worldseriesofboxing2070 The 86 team that lost to the Celtics was better than their 1994 and 95 championship teams. John Lucas even said so in an article done by Fran Blinebury in the Houston Chronicle called The Lost Dynasty.
1995-96 Bulls all the way! They have the Greatest player of all time and have 3 first team all defensive players! They are all around elite and also have the Greatest coach of all time who can make adjustments against any competition!
Also The Greatest perimeter Defensive team Ever.
MVP: Micheal Jordan
FMVP: Micheal Jordan
Scoring Champion: Micheal Jordan
Rebounding Champion: Rodman
Sixth Man of the Year: Kukoc
I haven't even mentioned Scottie yet..
They’d get smoked by 2017 warriors no cap
@@The-Basketball-Gods abomination of a take
@@The-Basketball-Gods not true at all 😂 6-7 game series though
Great video! Id also include the 60s Celtics dynasty
This was an amazing content! Wow
The 95-96 bulls would beat every team on this list. It would take 6 games each time though. Would love to see a 3 game, round Robin tournament.
Not KD warriors
Douglas you nuts as lakers fan the showtime 1980s team would beat 1996 bulls who’s guarding Kareem? Worthy and magic can post up and kill 1996 bulls on fast break easily.
all great teams for sure. In regards to which team would win and come out on top I think that it all depends on which teams can minimize the others style of play and strength. As an example that Spurs team with Parker Timmy D etc the 2001 Lakers with Shaq and Kobe would win. Shaq would dominate this version of Tim and their D as he did against Prime Tim along with young Tim and David Robinson. He would steam roll them add in the perimeter defenders they had to take away the 3 along with Kobe and to me its a wrap.
The Warriors team would also beat that version of the Spurs with Steph Klay and KD sure you put Kawhii on KD ok you still got Prime steph Prime Klay to worry about and you arent going to get abusded in the paint as zaza and Dray would hold up as Tim was no longer at a point to take 20-25 shots a game and this team wasn't a huge beat you off the dribble team.
I take the Warriors over almost any of these teams and the shaq Lakers over almost any of these teams. The 1 wildcard to me is the Jordan bulls. MJ can not be stopped and both him pippen and Harper make an almost impenetrable wing defense teams for guards tho Shaq would just eat them alive in the paint.
Great video!
95-96 Bulls were the best team ever. Had Warriors won when they went 73-9 I would've given it to them but then Bulls 72-10 was furocious
My pick is the 2017 Warriors. You had a 73-9 team and added the greatest offensive weapon in NBA history. Its a wrap for everyone else
Not for 2001 Lakers
They're defense is a weakness, especially Curry and Zaza who are terrible or kindly average defenders! Plus Green who has Anger issue whos bound to foul out, sometimes they have chemistry problem which explains why they lose 16 games in total
@@gera0x0 curry/Klay/KD all were 50/40/90 scorers or at least Near it. The added the greatest Scorer of this generation(Kevin Durant). They already had the 2 time MVP who had The Greatest Offensive Season just the year before(Steph curry). Arguably the most versatile defender of this generation *in his prime*(Draymond Green). They Running thru the 01 Lakers.
@@phatho3078 thats less games than the lakers loss are u on crack
They nearly lost to the damn rockets. They are not unbeatable
Gotta take the 00-01 Lakers none of these other teams have an answer for Shaq. I'd give the 2017 Warriors 2 games all the others getting swept.
I think Draymond is Lowkey a good match vs Shaq but you're right.iant nobody stopping shaq.But whose stopping the 4 all stars on their team?every game is going 130-130🤣
@@antiarezzo7630 top 5 lakers dynasties of all time
5 - 2012/13 Miami Heat
4 - 2015/16 Warriors
3 - 2013/14 Spurs
2 - 1995/96 Bulls
1 - 2000/2001 Lakers
That season the nba started the 3 second defensive violation, which helped Shaq and the Lakers big time.
Thanx Jonny Boy knew you'd put my guys in 82-83 Sixers😉
No team can deal with the 96 Bulls both offensively and defensively its either one or the other where the Bulls were simply elite at both with in my opinion the most reliable clutch finals performer of all time in Michael Jordan. So many greats on these sides lifted there games for some finals series and failed to do so for others. MJ always ALWAYS lifted his game for the playoffs and finals he never had a bad series for the post season. Even in 95 when they lost too orlando he has the best gamescore stat for the series from both sides and he hadn't even trained for the season and started late. And even before his team was ready to win the playoffs hes still clutch performaning like the shot against cleveland or the 63 points against Boston.
But by 96 he had a complete team behind him, a brilliant coach, the triangle offensive, the best defensive side out of all the sides and quite simply put hes the best player in BBall history and no one will be able to guard him and stop him from ascending his game.
Its the obvious answer because its the correct answer no one stops MJ when he has the supporting cast that is the 96 Bulls team.
What team is gonna give them the most trouble? Thats the real debate I give it to the 01 Lakers but thats the real debate.
The showtime lakers in 1980s would beat the 1996 bulls plus had excellent bench
@@seanfelder3977 showtime lakers couldn't even dominate their own era had to share it. The Bulls dominated their own era and nearly sweeped the Lakers to start their run.
The 2004 DETROIT PISTONS
I’m surprised they not on the list they was the best defensive team ever ❗️❗️❗️
01 Lakers is the goat team they were too much of a powerhouse for anyone.
Not even top 3 tbh
The 00-01 Lakers are my all-time favorite team in NBA history. That season was such an emotional roller coaster. That was the 1st year where Shaq and Kobe were beefing PUBLICLY. Shaq was still at his dominant peak, but young Kobe was improving so much, that his superstar ascension was inevitable, and he admitted that he wasn't willing to take a backseat to Shaq anymore. Plus they signed JR Rider 😭They had a somewhat underachieving regular season (Tho they won 56 games) for a number of reasons including the aforementioned issues with Shaq and Kobe, but right before the playoffs that had won 8 straight to end the regular season. I remember as a 14 YO just enjoying how special this team was playing and didn't want it to end. If not for A.I.'s legendary game 1 finals performance that led to the Lakers there only playoff loss, they would have went 72 Dolphins for a playoff run.
@shama-llamading-dong5370 Yea, no. Donaghy was a part of the 2002 playoff controversy. 01 there was no controversy. The Lakers were that much better than everyone else.
The Pistons was that type of team where you hate them all for being dirty but you can't deny their skills and surprisingly have team ball.
Bringing regular season stats into the equation doesn't really mean much tbh. Nobody would say that the 2016 GSW are better than the 2017 ones. Anyone who doesn't include the 2017 GSW simply are haters. Their regular season record wasn't as high, because the previous year they broke that record and realised, regular season meant nothing. Winning 16-1 in the playoffs and having the largest average winning margin of points in history. 96 bulls? they lost 2 games in the finals and one of their wins was a super close game. You can't be the greatest team of all time and nearly need to go the full distance to win a series. The only arguably as good of a season is 2001 Lakers. 15-1, and with the 2nd largest winning margin.
If the question which team was functionally the best at playing basketball its the 16-17 Warriors. The team that went 73-9, that then came back from down 3-1 to the pinnacle verison of the KD and Russ OKC teams, then took a 3-1 lead on a legit Cavs superteam with prime Bron & Kyrie and Love and a ton of great complimentary pieces in JR, Tristan, Shump, Mo, old RJ. LeBron and Ky went supernova and got a bit lucky.
Your taking that exact same dominate team and swapping Barnes out for KD, who is a 10x better player across the board. Steph, KD and Klay giving 85 points by themselves, Draymond the perfect defensive / playmaking swiss army knife, him Looney and Paculia doing the dirty work setting borderline illegal screens. Iggy, Livingston playing great defense and running the offense, Clark getting his shots up when he can, and even David West is sitting on the bench if they need more screens or someone to run a post up.
KD, Iggy, Klay and even Livingston were all dogs defensively that had the length, IQ to hound the other teams guards/wings and cover up for Steph on D, Steph and KD P&R or pops alone were enough to scorch every team im history, let alone Klay,Iggy and Dray had enough shooting, play making and shotcreation to run their own seperate offense, they would bomb every team in history away, best bet is 96' Bulls, they can actually sorta match up GSW17 on D, but they wouldn't be able to keep scoring at the rate GS would with the 3s and having 3 stars who can score at will, Bulls only really 2, then you got Dray and Iggy, who can both always get it to whoever is open.
Pippen would probably be to dead from chasing all of GS wings, Rodman cant score so your banking on Jordan to outscore 3 guys, 3 guys who have more and better depth.
Even tho Jordans is still the GOAT, GSW would be too much of an onslaught, 5 maybe 6 game series Jordan herro balls himself 1 maybe 2 games.
I thought the video was 11 mins. Till I noticed its over an hour ! Thanks bro lol
No other team made the league as unfair as 2017 Warriors. Honestly 2017 Cavs might be one of the best teams to not win a ring and they almost got swept. This team looked like they never played with 100% effort, yet noone ever looked close. They were so good they basically destroyed the sport. No other team can say that.
They were underrated and better then the 2016 cavs team. Game 3 was a winnable game
Very well said !
Yet they would get destroyed in other eras
It’s just the usual Lebron excuses narrative that KD warriors were “unfair” 2017 Spurs might have beat them if Zaza didn’t take out Kawhi and 2018 Rockets had them down 3-2 and choked in game 7
@@davis2k12342017 kawhi was best two way player of basketball gsw had no answer for him
Of all the great teams in NBA history, there are really only 2 I can think of where the whole season felt like a foregone conclusion: the 96 Bulls and the 17 Warriors. I think the greatest of all time is one of them, but I'm not sure which. Gun to my head I guess I take the Bulls, but the Warriors felt even more inevitable at the time. Everyone knew they were already the best team in the league, and then they added Durant, whereas the Bulls were coming off Jordan's baseball years and it wasn't completely clear if they were still the killers they were before.
I wasn't old enough to watch the 86 Celtics but my dad calls it a foregone conclusion, after losing the Finals the previous year they went 40-1 at home...no one was beating those 5 HOF'ers and that front court in a 7 game series that season. Same goes for the 40-1 Spurs in 14, their ball movement was above the rest and great defense to boot, they felt different. Also, there was huge hype for the 96 Bulls. MJ's full season back with a chip on his shoulder plus they acquired one of the best defenders/rebounders ever, Rodman. The Bulls defense was insane, plus Kukoc was 6th Man of The Year. They were rockstars everywhere they went. The year prior without Rodman plus MJ getting back in shape at the tail end of the season they pushed the red-hot Finals-bound Magic 6 games. In 96 as the season rolled on, it was apparent the Bulls were frighteningly great.
That's well said, heck I'm a dubs fan but I won't argue if someone says the 96 Bulls are the best ever. I do believe it comes down to those 2 as well though
How old are you? Do you even understand that in the early 80s there were 3 superteams by today standards and the packed with 3 all stars Backs trying to eat each other playing incredibly fast and hard defense full of 50 top players and other all stars..Lakers had Kareem Magic Mcadoo Wilkes Nixon..Celticks Bird ,Mchale,Parish,Cornbread,Johnson,Tiny..Sixers had Dr J,Toney,Cheeks,Bobby Jones and Moses..they would eat these warriors babies alive..
@@andreaspapadakis2602 Ah, the classic old head. "They were so much better back in the day, young 'un! You don't even understand!"
The further back you go the more concentrated the talent gets. The further forward you go the more talent there is overall. That's how it's always been. There's more talent today because basketball is bigger than ever. The parity is also better because even mediocre players are incredible now, and there are more teams in the league competing for their services.
And so we compare within eras and attempt to extrapolate. And within their eras the Bulls and Warriors dominated the league like no one else. I'm a Laker fan from the 80's, so yeah, I grew up watching the Lakers and Celtics. The 76ers were incredible for 1 or 2 years as well, as were the Spurs in the 2000's. Those teams were fantastic but they didn't overshadow the whole league like the Bulls and Warriors did. So to me it's one of those teams.
@@jgray2718 have you ever heard and considered the term relativity and variablles..if you have then you surely know that it is impossible to compare different eras without placing all the relative variables into scope,which is a task that needs a lot of unbiased analysis and not some echochamber soup of arguments like the oldhead or wishfull thinking..its absolutely indifferent wheather x or z dominated their relative competition on face value period and some opinion about something..2004 nba forced a major rules change with very given results due to the rules. Exactly like an economic outcome due to given economic policy..that hard fact alone is making the post 2004 era statistically uncomparable with the pre 2004 era..in the 60s the game had a lot more fg attemts than later on with low fg percent..that created significantly more rebound opportunities so rebounders in the 60s look like superhumans compared with the other eras etc etc etc..do you know that against popular beliefs all jumping world records(high,long,triple) stand for decades for example and how does that relates to the myth of the Nba most athletic era and the plummers echochamber?
"Who's gonna stop Shaq" -Phil Jackson. The 2001 Lakers were unstoppable. San Antonio had to stand up on the plane home after that ass whoopin' (22 points a game)
Kareem,Dr J,Magic,Bird,Mcadoo,Mchale,Parish,Gervin,Dantley,Blackman,English,Bernard King,Moses,Toney,Thompson,Dr Dunkestein,Drexler,Dominique,Carl Malone,Hakeem,Barkley,MJ,Thomas,Nixon,Dennis Johnson,Sidney Moncrief,Bob Lanier,Larry Nance,Ralph Sampson etc all competed early and mid 80s against eachother by far the most stacked and athletic era of Nba by far...
It's gotta be the 2016-17 Golden State Warriors. An argument could've been made for the 2015-16 Warriors and in the off-season they added the 2nd best player in the league. I can't imagine any team in league history beating them in a best of 7.
Pretty much every team with a great defense would beat the 16-17 Warriors. They would have lost to their daddy, Leonard is they didn't injure him game 1.
This is impossible to answer overall, but it sure ain't the 2017 Warriors, way to weak on defense.
They were the no 2 defense and kd missed 20 games while being the number 2 offense all time😂😂😂
Dumbest take ever
The most dangerous thing about the 1972 Lakers was the fact they had three guys who could go off for 40 points per night if they wanted to.
Also Wilt Chamberlain on that team, there are videos of him blocking double-digit shots in games in the playoffs.
The 2001 Los Angeles Lakers were the best team I ever saw personally play. Again, win that team got serious, they went 23/24. I contend that if that team had been trying to win its first championship, and not its second championship, they would have gone 70+ wins the regular season as well.
On that team, Elgin Baylor was forced to retire just a handful of games into the season. A very young Jim McMillian stepped into Baylor's slot- and the team ran off 33 straight wins. Greatest team of all time in my book.
I have to watch this on my tv phone isn’t good enough for this content
It's impossible to say which team would win, especially with the difference in rules, playing style, and level of competition in the various eras. I believe several of these teams would do well in any era if given a regular season to adjust, such as the 2014 Spurs. Also, every team on this list would likely have a problem matching up with a least one other team on this list.
Its not impossible at all because the 96 Bulls who stilled played in a tougher era would be an even better team in the modern era based on their size and the way they played. Spurs and Lakers would have played well in the old days but not as well as the Bulls would in todays game and I dont believe the other modern teams would have stood a chance in the 80’s or 90’s.
I agree completely with the matchups point, and it makes for some interesting thought experiments. For example, take the '17 Warriors vs the '01 Lakers vs the '96 Bulls. The Warriors match up nicely against the Bulls with their strong shooting and ball movement that doesn't rely on the low post, but they have no answer for Shaq on the Lakers. The Bulls have better answers for Shaq, though, and the Lakers would struggle to deal with Jordan and Pippen.
The bad boys of Detroit Pistons were known as a dirty team but Boston team in 84-87 was not far behind in using dirty tactics and flagrant fouls and got away with a lot.