Prog Rock: How To Count Odd Meters (Odd Time Signatures)

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  • In this episode I discuss how to Count and Feel Odd Time Signatures (Odd Meters). #oddmeters #oddtimesignatures #progrock
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  • @plinimusic
    @plinimusic Před 5 lety +2995

    awesome to see this 🙌

    • @nuajbalpo
      @nuajbalpo Před 5 lety +67

      Been listening to you for years, this is beyond awesome

    • @DaveAksteter
      @DaveAksteter Před 5 lety +82

      I love it when two of my internet heroes encounter one another

    • @michaelherscheid9709
      @michaelherscheid9709 Před 5 lety +18

      You are my biggest inspiration

    • @guitartube5822
      @guitartube5822 Před 5 lety +85

      I think a Beato interviews Plini for a Sounding Off episode would be awesome to see as well....

    • @miguelfernandezmillan2829
      @miguelfernandezmillan2829 Před 5 lety +15

      hey plini, how do you feel this rithm? I feel it like 3 3 3 3 1

  • @JorgeBCanchola
    @JorgeBCanchola Před 5 lety +1160

    watching Rick shredding prog metal is one of the best things ever

    • @avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712
      @avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712 Před 5 lety +55

      Agree. I love how he is not the typical 'i am only into this kinda music and will only play what i am into' type of guy.

    • @CooperDrums
      @CooperDrums Před 5 lety +3

      It is pretty sick

    • @merttalay9702
      @merttalay9702 Před 5 lety +10

      yes ı ve been wating so long for this prog stuff from rick beato

    • @michaelherscheid9709
      @michaelherscheid9709 Před 5 lety +12

      Plini shared your video!

    • @MFKR696
      @MFKR696 Před 5 lety +13

      And to think that when I started watching this channel, I thought he only *dabbled* in guitar, since his playing was slow and highly melodic, but I've since become aware that Rick is like a Top Fuel Dragster going out for grocery shopping most of the time lol. He's one of the better guitarists I've heard recently, honestly. He has an eerily spot-on sense for melody that I've not seen outside of performers/writers like Devin Townsend, Hans Zimmer or Jerry Goldsmith.

  • @justincarrasco3680
    @justincarrasco3680 Před 5 lety +383

    Sometimes when I watch you and Adam Neely talk about scales and stuff for 10 hours, I forget that you can both shred like a beast.

  • @UnseeingWorm
    @UnseeingWorm Před 5 lety +212

    Plini is actually just one artist. Of course he plays with a live band but Plini is actually his name. :)

    • @tingkagol
      @tingkagol Před 5 lety +6

      Just like Intervals is really just Aaron Marshall (well, after he kicked out Anup and co)

    • @Gendiba1
      @Gendiba1 Před 5 lety +4

      Like Kevin Parker is tame impala?

    • @cmr2153
      @cmr2153 Před 5 lety +12

      though tbh i think since Simon Grove wrote the Bass parts for the Album (atleast as far as I know) i can't very much think of it without his Bass. You should see them live he play's a lot more lead parts than the recordings make you think. Also the Song Handmade Cities wouldn't be half as good without his Bassline.

    • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
      @bfish89ryuhayabusa Před 5 lety +39

      Sounds like plini of people to me.

    • @alex0589
      @alex0589 Před 5 lety +10

      and animals as leaders is actually animals

  • @greatwavefan397
    @greatwavefan397 Před 3 lety +46

    Well-written odd time signature rhythms are so satisfying.

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 Před 2 lety +3

      Best odd-metered groove ever, IMO, is the instrumental and solo section of Cinema Show by Genesis. Incredible synth solo in 7/8, arpeggios up and down the keyboard!
      Then they transition back into 4/4 for the final reprise so seamlessly I didn’t even notice where it happened the first bunch of times I heard it. They do it by starting a repeating pattern in 7, then tweak it slightly to put it into 4, but it’s still basically the same notes, so the time switch is very well disguised.

  • @woundedmonk1884
    @woundedmonk1884 Před 5 lety +129

    I saw Plini a few months back and it was amazing. After the show I was chatting with him and he was kind enough to let me noodle on his strandberg (That sounds like a weird euphemism but it was strictly SFW I swear).

    • @vibefrequencyable
      @vibefrequencyable Před 5 lety +1

      Me too ..saw him with nick Johnston...also a beast.

    • @lonnyhandwork422
      @lonnyhandwork422 Před 5 lety

      Lol. :-)

    • @SerjBassist
      @SerjBassist Před 5 lety +5

      Isn't Gene Simmons who claimed that over 5000 women have, you know, "noodled on his strandberg"?

    • @joethefoeyo
      @joethefoeyo Před 5 lety +1

      He’s a cool dude! He put me and my gf on his guest list because we couldn’t buy tickets due to them selling out.

    • @dunehaggar772
      @dunehaggar772 Před 5 lety

      Lucky

  • @sonicsaviouryouwillnotgetm6678

    they great thing about Pini is, that while his stuff is complicated, I can easily feel the rhythm without mathematically understanding it. He gets the balance between frying your brain and beautiful musicality just right, unlike many others in the Prog genre.

  • @undertheradar5863
    @undertheradar5863 Před 5 lety +274

    PLEASE DO KING CRIMSON IN WHAT MAKES THIS SONG GREAT

    • @lewsheen7514
      @lewsheen7514 Před 5 lety +33

      Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 2 would be an EPIC WMTSG, but Robert Fripp is a notorious blocker.

    • @user-sn7uo7ek8x
      @user-sn7uo7ek8x Před 5 lety +2

      I'm keening fir this fir about a year but seems Rick doesn't like King Crison

    • @jan_Travis
      @jan_Travis Před 5 lety

      I don't see why he couldn't do Larks tounge ii. The official DGM has uploaded a Larks tounge video.

    • @mvunit3
      @mvunit3 Před 5 lety +6

      Unfortunately Fripp and his label "DGM" won't allow it :(.

    • @DrittAdrAtta
      @DrittAdrAtta Před 5 lety +2

      @@lewsheen7514 I wonder if the same applies to the Fripp/Sylvian stuff - there are some great tunes there too.

  • @nathanaelhahn4795
    @nathanaelhahn4795 Před 5 lety +182

    Well, you successfully got me interested in a genre outside my confort zone!

    • @gameygameygamer
      @gameygameygamer Před 5 lety +32

      plini's whole electric sunrise album is absolutely golden, highly suggest checking him out

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 5 lety +36

      Nathanael Hahn excellent!!

    • @skemsen
      @skemsen Před 5 lety +3

      Me too!

    • @gameygameygamer
      @gameygameygamer Před 5 lety +2

      @Budget Musician oh yeah my bad lol

    • @JoelinoPT
      @JoelinoPT Před 5 lety +2

      Welcome. Start listening to Dream Theater ;)

  • @boisvert813
    @boisvert813 Před 2 lety +13

    What I really love about this song is that the 13/8 part is simpler and easier to listen to than the 4/4 half time part. Such brilliant songwriting.

  • @mememem
    @mememem Před 5 lety +615

    Just keep on counting in 4/4 no matter what and it will turn back around to it eventually

    • @Polyhat_
      @Polyhat_ Před 5 lety +392

      this is right. even if it happens 6 songs later

    • @nathanaelhahn4795
      @nathanaelhahn4795 Před 5 lety +62

      That's because any number times four is divisible by four. Count out four measures in 4/4 and you'll be back around.

    • @conorreedR2C
      @conorreedR2C Před 5 lety +45

      Oh yeah better believe I'm about to write a tune to prove you wrong

    • @wea69420
      @wea69420 Před 5 lety +61

      @@conorreedR2C you can't prove math wrong m8

    • @smolus0512
      @smolus0512 Před 5 lety +32

      This wont work if the signatures dont change in some sort of cycle

  • @platonicdescartes
    @platonicdescartes Před 5 lety +48

    Prog Rock and Prog Metal is are my favorite modern genres of music. Thanks for doing the video.

  • @NothingMoreButMusic
    @NothingMoreButMusic Před 5 lety +58

    What i actually hear is a 12/8 + 1/1. So instead of counting 3+3+3 +2+2 i would rather count 3+3+3+3 +1.
    In my opinion that rythmically makes more sens, as a traditional 12/8 meter basicly just is a 4/4 with triplets each beat.
    And thats exactly what that tune sounds to me, only with that additional note at the end of each measure (the +1). It doesnt feel like breaking that last triplet to form a +2+2 at the end like rick counts it.

    • @russellszabadosaka5-pindin849
      @russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Před 3 lety

      You mean 1/4, not 1/1. And that wouldn’t work, the goal of transcribing music is to keep things as simple as possible. A whole song of alternating 12/8 & 1/4 measures would be a mess that any professional musician would throw out the window.

    • @NothingMoreButMusic
      @NothingMoreButMusic Před 3 lety +5

      @@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Yeah i got a typo there, but actually it would be +1/8 ;)
      And i did not talk about writing in alternating measures but only about how it should be counted. The counting traditionally is represented by grouping notes together in a measure.
      It would still be a 13/8, but grouped 3+3+3+3+1.
      Thats how it feels, and thats what it should look like to be readable.

    • @jonathanfostier28
      @jonathanfostier28 Před 3 lety +1

      @@NothingMoreButMusic that’s exactly how I counted too, i can’t count 2+2 at the end it doesn’t fit the triplet style of the rythm I think, it’s just a question of vibe because in the end that’s the same

    • @jonathanfostier28
      @jonathanfostier28 Před 3 lety

      When he is noting the upbeats I think that’s awkward when he says 1/2/3/4/and/1 because the time between 4/and is exactly the same as the time between 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 so I would have said: 1/2/3/4/5_1with a triplet space between five and one, and the exact same space between every other numbers, then because you know there is triplets, you just calculate; 1 bip bip 2 bip bip 3 bip bip 4 bip bip 5 1... and there you have 13\8

    • @darkswan80
      @darkswan80 Před 3 lety +1

      I totally feel the same 3+3+3+3+1

  • @NahreSol
    @NahreSol Před 5 lety +104

    Great! Super helpful and clear video.

  • @RonTheFlyingDutchman
    @RonTheFlyingDutchman Před 5 lety +21

    Some songs with 13/8 (or 6/4, 7/4 alternately):
    Robbery, assault & battery - Genesis (middle part)
    Velvet green - Jethro Tull
    Lords of the backstage - Marillion
    Jacob's ladder - Rush
    (last part)
    Turn it on again - Genesis
    Metropolis pt. 1 - Dream Theater
    (middle part)

    • @jdog2224
      @jdog2224 Před 3 lety +2

      Great list!
      Here are some of my picks (don't ask me the time signatures)
      Dream Theater: Count of Monte Cristo (beginning)
      Rush : Cygnus X-1
      Radiohead: 15 Step
      DJ Shadow: The Changeling
      I also like Pyramid Song by Radiohead because it sounds like an odd time signature but it's really 4/4. The chord changes and phrasing disguise it.

    • @jdog2224
      @jdog2224 Před 3 lety

      oops I meant count of Tuscany, LOL

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 Před 2 lety +1

      The intro to Jacob’s Ladder is also metrically interesting, though not 13. The instruments start in a slow 11/4 (or alternating 5/4 + 6/4 if you prefer), then the verse begins in 4/4 while the 11/4 pattern continues. Especially amazing to consider that Geddy must be doing both at once!

    • @leonazg82
      @leonazg82 Před 2 lety +1

      Jethro Tull's Velvet Green is absolute fantastic in terms of rhythm. For the first 30 seconds of intro music meter changes nearly every bar. I always wonder how they rehearsed that part. And then yes - comes the refrain in 13/8.

  • @thesea4120
    @thesea4120 Před 5 lety +70

    I saw plini live honestly amazing musician would recommend to see him live

    • @tcrane8630
      @tcrane8630 Před 5 lety +2

      I agree.. I saw him with Nick Johnston and, amazing night of music.

    • @theHumanBryno
      @theHumanBryno Před 5 lety +1

      His whole band was terrific, I enjoyed seeing them.

  • @garycitro1674
    @garycitro1674 Před 5 lety +89

    Next time Rick will explore how Gentle Giant, African drum circles, etc. do polyrhythms of several odd signatures at once!

    • @thomasr8185
      @thomasr8185 Před 5 lety +10

      That would be absolutely lovely

    • @PauloDandrea00
      @PauloDandrea00 Před 4 lety +1

      i vote for it!

    • @rocketshiptoaltair
      @rocketshiptoaltair Před 2 lety +1

      I'm on board for that!

    • @FabioSapore
      @FabioSapore Před 2 lety

      and maybe folk music from Europe (Bulgaria, Sardinia), often in 5/4!

    • @aymen2949
      @aymen2949 Před rokem +2

      Or explore some crazy and very complex indian odd time signatures

  • @FranciscoBurrola
    @FranciscoBurrola Před 5 lety +382

    Do a "what makes this song great" with a Porcupine Tree song

    • @rexparker5462
      @rexparker5462 Před 5 lety +25

      or anything by SW

    • @rexparker5462
      @rexparker5462 Před 5 lety +18

      sound of Muzac would be great!!!

    • @chrispouliot1599
      @chrispouliot1599 Před 5 lety +14

      Gavin Harrison is a highly underrated drummer
      Fucking love me some PT

    • @movimentodoscacos
      @movimentodoscacos Před 5 lety +8

      or The Mars Volta. Twi of my favorite bands ever!

    • @FranciscoBurrola
      @FranciscoBurrola Před 5 lety +2

      @@movimentodoscacos Yeah, I love The Mars Volta too, imagine him doing "cassandra gemini"

  • @amonst4r
    @amonst4r Před 5 lety +40

    i feel it as ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta or 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1. literally 12/8 + 1 to make 13/8.
    perfect timing rick, no pun intended; this video clears up some things i've been thinking about lately when songwriting.

    • @9UaYXxB
      @9UaYXxB Před 5 lety +2

      Indian percussion is fantastic, good for the spirit , elevating!

    • @EthanMckennaMusic
      @EthanMckennaMusic Před 5 lety +5

      That's how I count it too

    • @mygirlsarobot
      @mygirlsarobot Před 5 lety +7

      It's clearly 3+3+3+3+1. Rick even mentioned that the drum part accents on the 13th beat. It would feel different if it was 3+3+3+4 with accents on 10 and 12 stressing the 4 or 2+2 feel.

    • @nunocarmona
      @nunocarmona Před 5 lety +2

      @@mygirlsarobot Totally agree with both of you

    • @HardwareG33k
      @HardwareG33k Před 5 lety +2

      That's what I thought too. Doesn't feel like 2+2 at the end, just an extra eighth so basically 4x3 + 1

  • @willyevans
    @willyevans Před 5 lety +8

    Rick...your channel is wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to do all this.

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 Před 5 lety +21

    Ahh this is the in depth content that is always worth coming to! Great work Rick!

  • @savagemusicman2054
    @savagemusicman2054 Před 5 lety +13

    Always appreciate your posts, thank you for helping the music community as much as you have. Love the book too! Read bits and pieces everyday! Prog is awesome. Love changing between time signatures.

  • @nothingmuchado
    @nothingmuchado Před 5 lety +10

    As a kid I read the liner notes on my dad's Dave Brubeck records. Honestly the best source I ever came across on the subject.

    • @EricMcLuen
      @EricMcLuen Před 4 lety

      Just thinking that. Except on one song (Waltz Limp I believe) his hands are in different signatures left 3 and right 4.

  • @Badjavdzija
    @Badjavdzija Před 5 lety +7

    This is actually amazing. I was trying to understand the rhythm of the song these days, and here you are doing the same thing, like you knew. I've noticed lots of times people saying the same thing, how you do the lesson of something they were either struggling with, or trying to figure out on their own. Rick, you are doing these people and me lots of favors, thank you for that.

  • @hypnotoads
    @hypnotoads Před 5 lety +3

    There is nothing in this video which could, in any way, be described as any less than brilliant. You’re an absolute legend Rick, thanks for sharing your experience with us👍

  • @The12thAvenger
    @The12thAvenger Před 4 lety +30

    after watching a lot of rick's videos, I increasingly get the feeling that he has vowed never to talk about Dream Theater XD

  • @richardhanly4446
    @richardhanly4446 Před 5 lety

    Hi Rick,
    I love everything you do. I bought your beato book about a year ago and am working my way through that. Along with all the fantastic CZcams videos you post I am spoiled by your expertise and your sheer love of music. Keep up the good work mate!

  • @VioletRosesmith
    @VioletRosesmith Před 5 lety +2

    It really doesn't get said enough how great you are at Guitar Rick. Your technical awareness while playing is something else!

  • @willelrics9027
    @willelrics9027 Před 5 lety +49

    The difference between This Example and say RUSH and TOOL is that RUSH and TOOL can appeal to a Mainstream Rock Audience with most people never noticing the Odd Meter.

    • @hansikursch484
      @hansikursch484 Před 5 lety +20

      willelrics It's the quality and economy of songwriting that sets those apart from the rest. While others force those numbers, tool and rush just do a better job of managing the rhythm without losing sight of the melodies.

    • @willelrics9027
      @willelrics9027 Před 5 lety +2

      @@hansikursch484 I agree totally.

    • @kristevesadowski4586
      @kristevesadowski4586 Před 5 lety +11

      I agree. That's the trick. The best example is Turn It On Again by Genesis. Very poppy song and catchy but you'd never know it was in 13/8. That's good songwriting.

    • @davep8221
      @davep8221 Před 5 lety +1

      @@hansikursch484 IMO, Yes were the masters of that. They were also the best at always sounding like Yes, but never sounding the same.

    • @evanmauch438
      @evanmauch438 Před 4 lety

      Yeah a lot of people never actually dive into the complexity, but once you do it’s a whole new universe

  • @TruthSurge
    @TruthSurge Před 5 lety +38

    this was very entertaining. heheheh PUT THE FRIKKIN PHONE DOWN! Never heard of CLA till today. Seems like a great guy who's been there, done that and knows his stuff.

  • @kieferonline
    @kieferonline Před 5 lety

    Yes! I've been waiting for this video! Thank you, Rick Beato.

  • @addyz0r
    @addyz0r Před 5 lety

    I love this type of content. It's like having the mentor I never found. Keep up being a teacher of the Internet. You have taught me so much. ❤

  • @fuzzyheadted
    @fuzzyheadted Před 4 lety +3

    Found out how to count odd time signatures AND found a new band. Rick is king.

  • @BenjaminJohnson
    @BenjaminJohnson Před 5 lety +33

    I was literally listening to this song yesterday and thinking... How do I count this? I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how to count songs like this...
    Awesome!

    • @StratMatt777
      @StratMatt777 Před 5 lety +11

      Wow! I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how he reads your mind.

    • @chrispouliot1599
      @chrispouliot1599 Před 5 lety +2

      StratMatt777
      Fucking lol
      Rick “the musical mentalist” Beato

    • @charlespurvis2803
      @charlespurvis2803 Před 5 lety +2

      Benjamin Johnson--you must use this awesome and mighty power for good.

  • @aaronsalvesen4553
    @aaronsalvesen4553 Před 3 lety

    Rick! You are an amazing human being!!! You are doing what most of us musicians wish we could do(wishicians)!!! You have been a blessing to my musical reincarnation! I am so overwhelmed by your ability to nail and break down the music that we all want to play! Thank you for all the work you do! All the positive energy in the world to you my friend!

  • @gocars3210
    @gocars3210 Před 5 lety +1

    Rick, this is why I love your channel.
    I had Plini pulled up on Apple Music before your vid was even over.
    Keep up the great work

  • @aiyka_music
    @aiyka_music Před 5 lety +24

    What makes this song great - porcupine tree please!!!

  • @Me-tuber
    @Me-tuber Před 5 lety +11

    Hello Rick! Proud of your decision to share so much so free! Thanks again!

  • @adam872
    @adam872 Před 5 lety

    This puts joy in my heart for a number of reasons: firstly, odd time, secondly Plini (who is an absolute beast who writes beautiful music) and last but not least, Rick shredding on the geetar. Great video!

  • @thomasschreiner6356
    @thomasschreiner6356 Před 5 lety

    Rick, you are incredible! You amaze me every time I watch your videos. Each and every one of them. Keep going.

  • @sergioserramusic
    @sergioserramusic Před 4 lety +11

    This is actually very helpful! I am looking forward to the next video about odd time signatures, to me the most difficult thing lies in detecting different time signatures in a song, like The Dance of Eternity, I mean, it's a mess

  • @lanechange2795
    @lanechange2795 Před 5 lety +10

    Check out Frank Zappa's "Keep it Greasy" in 19/16. Vinnie Colaiuta tears it up with some amazing subdivisions, then FZ plays a rhythm pattern in 3/16 over 19/16 meter. Incredible musicianship.

    • @9UaYXxB
      @9UaYXxB Před 5 lety +2

      Trust Frank , trust Vinnie … a great mention !

    • @davedecker1725
      @davedecker1725 Před 5 lety

      Ohhh no here comes that crazy scuhreeemin sowend again!😲😲😲😲

    • @LoyalOpposition
      @LoyalOpposition Před 3 lety +1

      Sounds like a very basic funk beat.

  • @Joshualbm
    @Joshualbm Před 3 lety

    This is such a great way to teach this stuff. To see, hear and feel all that's going on, slowing it down etc. is really digestible. Thanks for all you share!

  • @davidhoxit4274
    @davidhoxit4274 Před 5 lety

    Thanks Rick! I have no formal training but after watching your videos...I always feel a little smarter!

  • @spikesparks4615
    @spikesparks4615 Před 5 lety +13

    Busted out the tap shred 😮

  • @calebknott8021
    @calebknott8021 Před 5 lety +3

    Karnivool is definitely one of my favorite progressive bands! Would love to hear you break down one of their tunes like Goliath or Deadman on WMTSG. Also, absolutely love Plini!! Troy Wright kills it on those drums, they sound so good.

  • @iangottmusic
    @iangottmusic Před 4 lety +1

    Mind blown! I don’t read music at all, but now that I’m older and love producing music not just recording it, I’m much more open to wanting to understand music more classically. Crazy that I knew I could write songs in odd time signatures even though I didn’t even understand them. It’s like grooving out in little chunks... thanks Rick, I always find your videos entertaining and nostalgic, but this was a great lesson!

  • @JohnMassari
    @JohnMassari Před 5 lety

    @ 4:44 I agree with the 3,3,3,4. 👍"Feeling it rather than thinking it." Love your Guitar playing. 👍

  • @elforeigner3260
    @elforeigner3260 Před 4 lety +3

    Bill Bruford is one of my favorite odd time signature drummers

  • @priyonjoni
    @priyonjoni Před 5 lety +37

    Whoever design your thumbnail is great. It looks cinematic.

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 5 lety +19

      Pri yon Joni I did :)

    • @Hassan_Omer
      @Hassan_Omer Před 5 lety +1

      @@RickBeato I also noticed that as soon as i played the video. Very Cool!

    • @christoph.schneider
      @christoph.schneider Před 5 lety +3

      Make a meme out of it pls!

  • @brianmcguire5175
    @brianmcguire5175 Před 2 lety

    When I started watching this I looped the first part to figure out for myself the 3 plus 3 plus 3 plus 4 but only to find when I finally let the video continue to hear the musician expert here describe as 3,3,3,2,2! Fortunately and unsurprisingly he correctly breaks the rhythmic phrasing down as the numbers I had heard , atleast how Drummers like myself would transcribe it as to imply feel and not just numerical break down , and also consequently impressed me to be relieved in knowing that ,not only are there super knowledgeable and serviceable, there are guitarist musicians out there but also compositionally sensitive ones as well. I am but a mere drummer but the gigs I've been generously offered has always been because of the compositional consideration obvious in my iteration of the said covered piece. I don't see opportunity in other people's music for me to shine. I hear an ambient and sentiment that ultimately I wish to be a part of and a voice in

  • @BlackenedNL
    @BlackenedNL Před 5 lety

    Absolutely LOVING this channel!

  • @LeathanL
    @LeathanL Před 5 lety +22

    Forget progressive rock. Try soloing over Brubeck's "Take Five". You'll feel it.

    • @ChrisSheridan295
      @ChrisSheridan295 Před 5 lety +9

      You will feel it but you'll be feeling a very common 5/4 clave which is great as an anchor at the start but it can hold you back when trying to play different groupings of 5. I agree it's a good start point though

  • @paulsimmons5726
    @paulsimmons5726 Před 5 lety +2

    I'm 57 now and learned to play bass by listening to Yes... After learning most of their first live triple LP, I could play crazy time signatures with no problems. The insanity that Rush dished out a few years later was like a comfortable old Tshirt, YYZ made perfect sense.
    The really hard, close to impossible, thing for me back then was playing stuff like Lucille by Kenny Rogers. LOL!
    Heart of the Sunrise, Close to the Edge - easy! Top-40 root/5th parts - pass the Excedrin...
    It all comes down to what you hear in your head. Crazy is never crazy if you understand it...

    • @Symphonicrockfran
      @Symphonicrockfran Před 5 lety

      When you are brought up listening to Prog or Jazz, nothing scares you.

  • @sonatedaquiTFM
    @sonatedaquiTFM Před 5 lety

    always wanted this specific video done by someone and glad it was you and about my favourite guitarist, super useful

  • @jbartyparty7398
    @jbartyparty7398 Před 5 lety +1

    This is so cool! Love seeing you tapping like a boss Rick! And thanks for introducing me to this very cool song and band!!

  • @TorTheWeirdo
    @TorTheWeirdo Před 5 lety +3

    When I heard “subdivide” it brought back so many memories of wind ensemble in high school. I sucked when it came to rhythms. Too much math 😹🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @PauloPechula
    @PauloPechula Před 4 lety +8

    I'd love to see an analysis of yours about "The Dance of Eternity" in this matter of odd times. That song seems to be a nightmare :)
    I'm not a musician, but I really love those technical analysis of yours. Keep up the good work

    • @DanielVerberne
      @DanielVerberne Před 4 lety +1

      Paulo, you beat me to it! I also love Dance of Eternity!

    • @nurimanemir6633
      @nurimanemir6633 Před 4 lety

      yes 😂

    • @ENTP247
      @ENTP247 Před 2 lety +1

      Yah sure. Its only 108 time signatures. No worries 😉

    • @jimtownsend3910
      @jimtownsend3910 Před 2 lety

      What’s funny about dance is it’s oddly wayyy easier to follow than many DT songs since 2010. It’s mapped out in a way that’s never very hard to follow.
      I don’t say that like I’m some badass. Some newer DT stuff is insane in comparison. The middle section of pale blue dot is dramatically more difficult than dance as a total song.

  • @RedDeadFaction
    @RedDeadFaction Před 5 lety

    Looking forward to the future episodes. Thanks Rick!

  • @philipmumford7871
    @philipmumford7871 Před 5 lety

    Rick its such a pleasure to watch your videos and learn from you!

  • @wooliegeek
    @wooliegeek Před 5 lety +9

    Rush’s Jacob’s Ladder is a bear to count and play. 5/4 6/4 5/4 6/4 every bar

    • @craigmurphy1204
      @craigmurphy1204 Před 3 lety +2

      Same with Losing It, off their Signals album.

    •  Před 3 lety

      @@andyharman3022 What part of the song is in 21/4 ?

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 Před 2 lety

      Then Geddy starts singing in 4/4 at the same time!!

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 Před 2 lety +1

      @@craigmurphy1204 That’s actually pretty easy to count, it’s just 5/4 am the way through. But it gets my vote for the saddest song in 5/4 ever. 😢

    • @wooliegeek
      @wooliegeek Před 2 lety

      @@JohnBrooking4 omg that makes it so hard to play. Messing me up big time

  • @ericpayne9091
    @ericpayne9091 Před 5 lety +2

    I like how odd meters are all just however you naturally feel it. Rather than 3+3+3+2+2 or 4 at the end, after the first couple rounds of that riff I was going to 3+3+3+3+1. Keeping all the accents as downbeats, even the tag of two sixteenths at the end of the line, just felt most natural to me for whatever reason

  • @jackharding3583
    @jackharding3583 Před 5 lety +1

    Hey Rick! Absolutely love this video! I wish I could go back in time and show my younger self this video. Sub-divisions were the key to a world of new time signatures, rhythms and feels. I instantly subscribed and have sent this video to friends who have asked me for help in working out odd time. Thank you for such an awesome learning resource. (Plus any mention of Plini deserves praise! ;) )

  • @loganbarclay5075
    @loganbarclay5075 Před 5 lety

    Electric Sunrise is one of my favourite songs. I'm really glad you decided to break it down for us, Rick

  • @michaelherscheid9709
    @michaelherscheid9709 Před 5 lety +3

    Plini shared this video!

  • @rfpeace
    @rfpeace Před 5 lety +3

    my head hurts now, thanks Rick! :)

  • @dirkcampbell5847
    @dirkcampbell5847 Před 2 lety

    Correct analysis. What's amazing is how he got that guitar riff happening. Impressive.

  • @kareemhassan5664
    @kareemhassan5664 Před 5 lety

    Your videos are brilliant. Very simple to understand, even for people who haven't studied music like me.
    Love your stuff, excited to see more content

  • @negromister
    @negromister Před 5 lety +5

    Hip Rick Beato is hip.

  • @brentonchattin
    @brentonchattin Před 5 lety +7

    One of my favourites is Cotopaxi by The Mars Volta, that track confuses the hell out of me when I try and count to it. I’ll try again after watching this!

    • @KL3NCH
      @KL3NCH Před 5 lety +3

      In fact pretty much anything by Omar, Cedric and rotating entourage. A serious omission in the "What Makes This Song Great" series there Rick, I've seen enough to realise you could do it...

    • @chippchipp1
      @chippchipp1 Před 5 lety +2

      There's another confusing riff (played by the bass) in "Cygnus...Vismund Cygus" at around 5 minutes in.
      I could be wrong, but "Cotopaxi" sounds like 11/4 to me.

    • @darlantro
      @darlantro Před 5 lety

      @@chippchipp1 The high-hat helps with the time signature for 'Cygnus...', it's a loop of 5/4, 6/4, 4/4, repeated. Or you can say 15/4, but that's not so helpful. So you can count 1,2,3,4,5, 1,2,3,4,5,6, 1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,... This is one of my favorite songs to drum with, there is so much room for fills!

    • @chippchipp1
      @chippchipp1 Před 5 lety +2

      @@darlantro sweet! If you like that type of groove, check out the last few minutes of "Starless" by King Crimson (the album version). Bill Bruford is a monster.

    • @KL3NCH
      @KL3NCH Před 5 lety

      @@darlantro What about the missing beats / rests between those groupings? They are there if you listen. Surely they have to be accounted for otherwise there's no direction as to when each group starts within the framework of the song? Here you start to get into what makes something fall within any individual's definition (time signature) and at least as far as t'interweb goes, it starts to get messy because folk start to argue points from different starting points- often both correct.

  • @Kevonehits
    @Kevonehits Před 5 lety

    Love this! Great way of understanding odd time signatures! Great track to help wrap people's head around different time feels!

  • @DepressingHappyMusic
    @DepressingHappyMusic Před 5 lety

    You're an incredible teacher. Thank you so much!

  • @GeoffBosco
    @GeoffBosco Před 5 lety +174

    Needs more Gentle Giant love.

    • @chippchipp1
      @chippchipp1 Před 5 lety +23

      Therrre coming over charaton briiiidge! Loook, do you see the man who is poor, but rich?

    • @lewsheen7514
      @lewsheen7514 Před 5 lety +14

      Free Hand... On Reflection... The MASTERS!

    • @hellofromdavid
      @hellofromdavid Před 5 lety +8

      How can I speak when I'm dry and my throat is burning ...

    • @matheusmoreiradearaujo3267
      @matheusmoreiradearaujo3267 Před 5 lety +9

      A What makes this song great analysing Playing The Game would be my dream

    • @genuinefreewilly5706
      @genuinefreewilly5706 Před 5 lety +1

      absolutely!

  • @JariSatta
    @JariSatta Před 5 lety +504

    Progressive: 5 people in a band, playing 5 different songs at the same time.

    • @Waltzhybrid92
      @Waltzhybrid92 Před 5 lety +13

      Progressive, not regressive. ;)

    • @maninthecrowd5076
      @maninthecrowd5076 Před 5 lety +1

      Beware the arctopus summary right there.

    • @juanborjas6416
      @juanborjas6416 Před 5 lety +15

      That would be Captain Beefhart😂

    • @vibefrequencyable
      @vibefrequencyable Před 5 lety +3

      You forgot it all comes together!

    • @alm5966
      @alm5966 Před 5 lety +13

      Rush. 3 guys playing 5 different songs at the same time. Until they split :(

  • @chrisbasich6234
    @chrisbasich6234 Před 5 lety

    So much joy - love it Rick!

  • @sanderlugtigheid
    @sanderlugtigheid Před 5 lety

    Great explanation and break down of this killer song!! Thanx Rick, looking forward to your next topic!

  • @flyingsteaks
    @flyingsteaks Před 5 lety +4

    Hey Rick, I actually think 3+3+3+2+2 doesn't really make sense, I mean, as you said, when you feel it, it's more like 3+3+3+3+1, and that matches the tapping lick, as it is groups of 6 notes and the 2 note grouping at the end

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 5 lety +3

      That’s the way I clap it. It is the most natural but you can count it a couple of ways

  • @iloveheavymetalmetalrules6829

    Do a what makes this song so great dream theater the dance of eternity

  • @CuriousKitchen
    @CuriousKitchen Před 5 lety

    Always such a pleasure watching your videos. Learn so much every time. Thank you.

  • @simonpaulengland7833
    @simonpaulengland7833 Před 5 lety

    ace as ever Rick.......always a pleasure to listen to your wisdom..........!

  • @megadethmofo2035
    @megadethmofo2035 Před 4 lety +5

    Rick, please explain the new Tool song, Pneuma....I can't wrap my head around it.

  • @quatquatbebop1215
    @quatquatbebop1215 Před 4 lety +12

    Shoulda done a King Gizzard song smh

  • @quistunes
    @quistunes Před 5 lety +1

    2's & 3's are the way I deeply learned Turkish, Greek, Bulgarian, etc. Now so many of those grooves are embedded in my body, they have become like a fluency in a different language, & counting remains useful but becomes secondary. I LOVE odd time signatures.

  • @markslist1542
    @markslist1542 Před 3 lety

    Rick, your videos are great. They cheer me up too.

  • @user-vd8et2ow3d
    @user-vd8et2ow3d Před 5 lety +9

    I don't count the entire number, i slice it into different parts, that's my way to "feel it"

  • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
    @bfish89ryuhayabusa Před 5 lety +4

    Honestly, feel comes first. I think it's backwards to map a feel on to a time signature. The time signature is mapped on to the feeling. Listen to Bert Jansch's version of "Blackwater Side", for instance.

  • @ndkpak
    @ndkpak Před 4 lety

    I love music and hearing people talk Bout it, I know nothing except for pure pleasure of listening, but you do it with so much enthusiasm that makes it fun hearing, also that like me you are a big Rush fan!!

  • @edcorn4351
    @edcorn4351 Před 4 lety

    I just saw this video for the first time and, having been lurking and whatnot for a while, I promptly subscribed to Rick's channel, finally. He's doing his usual great job of explaining the subject, and then he demonstrates the tapping used in the song. For me it was as if he were casually saying, "I also play guitar." From many guitarists that would come off egotistically; from Rick it's natural and sincere, because his agenda is the music and the lesson rather than being impressive. And here's the kicker: he still impresses, but now it means more because it is in service to what he is teaching (as always).
    Who wouldn't take some cues from a teacher like that?

  • @BeatlesFan738
    @BeatlesFan738 Před 5 lety +90

    Next try to count Dance of Eternity, Lol.

    • @TheSquareOnes
      @TheSquareOnes Před 5 lety +14

      I know its a meme but can't keep myself from pointing out that the song isn't actually that complex, it changes meter a lot but most of the time signatures are very simple like 7/8 and 9/8 and the actual number of time changes is inflated by there being several riffs that just switch back and forth between two simple meters rapidly. So if they do something like 5/8+3/4+5/8+3/4 they're counting that as five time signature changes in the total count even though it's only two meters which are quite easy to understand and that could just as easily have been written as staying in 11/8.
      It doesn't make the song any less cool but it does make the "bajillions of time signature changes!" (I forget the actual number they say, it's like 100 something) tag a bit disingenuous. You could probably find plenty of prog metal songs with much fewer meter changes that are still much more difficult to follow due to using a smaller number of more complex time signatures that don't repeat themselves as often.

    • @chrispouliot1599
      @chrispouliot1599 Před 5 lety +15

      Laugh all you want but some black dude actually did
      Whilst beat boxing and showing papers with time sigs written on them as they changed accordingly
      I was kinda amazed and flabbergasted at the same time

    • @BeatlesFan738
      @BeatlesFan738 Před 5 lety

      Chris Pouliot yeah! lol I saw that video too

    • @johnnycockatoo1003
      @johnnycockatoo1003 Před 5 lety

      have you got the name of the video ?

    • @NeelDhar
      @NeelDhar Před 5 lety +3

      @@TheSquareOnes I agree with you. Lot of people seem to think all the changes were necessary, whereas I do not think so.

  • @PlayAcousticDrums
    @PlayAcousticDrums Před 5 lety +25

    Been playing drums for 40+ years, live, bands, sessions etc, can't read a note and counting screws me up. Most of the original material we are writing is in odd meters, or at least that's what the composer tells me. I cant for the life of me figure how you people count and play at the same time. I hear it and play it...the whole counting thing...baffles me.

    • @danbardos3498
      @danbardos3498 Před 5 lety +3

      Same dude. I can count along for a minute... but it's way easier just to feel it. It's hard to explain.

    • @calenlas99
      @calenlas99 Před 5 lety

      Not everyone counts in their head the same way. Some folks count by seeing the numbers in their mind and hence are free to speak, read, play an instrument, etc. I count by saying the numbers in my head, therefore, I'm unable to count while speaking, reading, or playing guitar as my guitar playing long ago co-opted my language pathways so that I effectively "sing" my guitar. (This also means I can't speak & play, though I can sing & play. Weird.)
      Everyone's different, but often we don't realize that a simple thing like counting can mean radically different things to different people.

    • @danbardos3498
      @danbardos3498 Před 5 lety

      @@calenlas99 Yeah, that actually makes sense.

    • @chrispouliot1599
      @chrispouliot1599 Před 5 lety

      Hey dude! If that can somehow make you feel better, i read that Morgan Ågren strictly plays out of “natural feel”
      Do i have to mention his whole body of work throughout the years? Dude been playing forever and grinding hard as fuck

    • @SerjBassist
      @SerjBassist Před 5 lety +3

      I also don't count when I play. But when it's time to learn a part and know exactly what's going on, counting and subdividing is very useful to place yourself, specially when it's something complex. After I learnt it, then I play based on feel and muscle memory.

  • @okota74
    @okota74 Před 5 lety

    tks. @Rick Beato
    for sharing this

  • @esposoman
    @esposoman Před 5 lety

    One of my favourite channels. Greetings from Spain

  • @mikeburstein7755
    @mikeburstein7755 Před 5 lety +7

    Learn the intro from CHANGES by YES if you want a challange. 7/8, 10/8

    • @michaelzahnwehgitarre8957
      @michaelzahnwehgitarre8957 Před 5 lety

      I would count that as 4+3 and 4+3+3

    • @kristevesadowski4586
      @kristevesadowski4586 Před 5 lety +1

      Just learned that tune on keys. It's a lot of fun. I'm onto transcribing "In the Cage" by Genesis off the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

    • @Symphonicrockfran
      @Symphonicrockfran Před 5 lety

      The Intro from Firth of Fifth by Genesis... Amazing

  • @DanielVerberne
    @DanielVerberne Před 4 lety +3

    Would have loved to see Rick feature “The Dance of Eternity” by Dream Theater...

  • @philhiggins4922
    @philhiggins4922 Před 5 lety

    Rick......I LOVE YOUR CHANELL..... I’m a drummer watching this for a hour still working it out.

  • @bas1sokkie604
    @bas1sokkie604 Před 5 lety

    I love how you always airplay over the music.
    Cool channel, keep it up.

  • @nickcds3419
    @nickcds3419 Před 5 lety +78

    Am I the only one more confused now?

    • @heytoast7129
      @heytoast7129 Před 4 lety +4

      I never thought simple arithmetic could be so confusing.

    • @matthewwood9266
      @matthewwood9266 Před 4 lety

      Nick Croce I was for like a month and then came back and it makes a bit more sense now lol

    • @heytoast7129
      @heytoast7129 Před 4 lety +1

      @Sudo Sudo Hey, thanks for breaking it down like that. Haha, still a little confused, but it starting to make more sense now to me. Cheers.

    • @chimaera01
      @chimaera01 Před 4 lety +1

      Why does he count to three? Where he stops the count and starts again seems totally subjective. He doesn't explain what is 4/4. He starts this video on the assumption we know.

    • @saikeshi
      @saikeshi Před 4 lety

      @Sudo Sudo cheers dude that cleared up my confusions too.

  • @claude3957
    @claude3957 Před 5 lety +5

    OMG PLINI, OMG YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED PLINI

  • @ranieriwm
    @ranieriwm Před 2 lety

    Beautifully explained and demonstrated! Thank you.

  • @danacoleman4007
    @danacoleman4007 Před 5 lety

    I'm not saying that my brain is capable of taking it all in but, Rick, you were born to teach this stuff! Being an amazing player and musician is almost like a bonus! There's absolutely no telling how many people will benefit from what you're doing on this channel!