The reason why Sly 4 didn’t do that well is because it mostly came out in a era where people really didn’t care about 3D platformers COMPARED to todays market with so many remakes. Those who complained about Sly 4’s gameplay mostly didn’t like how it was floaty and the jobs kinda had less of an impact leading up the the heists. I’m NOT saying Sly’s formula can’t be updated, in fact in some degree I think it would be interesting to update it’s formula but I don’t think it’s gameplay formula is outright outdated as many gamers still love semi/open world games especially if they have some stealth aspect. Moving forward I think it boils down to the fact that that series would be better off getting a soft reboot or remake than an actual “Sly 5”.
I think that Sly 4 didn’t do that well because it wasn’t overall that appealing. It didn’t have the same spirit the original 3 did, and I think that’s because Sanzaru tried to recreate it, but couldn’t quite capture it. Sly 5 would have to be pretty original to succeed and it would have to be made by the original people who made Sly, or just someone who really understands Sly Cooper.
Glad i found your channel, awesome videos man. Nostalgic, Informative, Funny, Edit, Voice. So relaxing and enjoyable to listen and watch. Keep it up dude.
I feel you all the way bro. For me personally, I would rather get a comic series or graphic novel based on what happened after the events of Sly 4. Sly 5 wouldnt work for the exact reasons you said, but a canon comic by either Sucker Punch or Sanzuru I feel would give fans closure after a decade of "what ifs"
The best way to bring back Sly Cooper is either a Remake or Reboot because the only way Sly Cooper can become successful is through new players who become interested in the franchise, but if they were to start on a continuing story (like a sly 5) they would immediately lose interest so it's better to ro start from scratch story wise at least
This. I don't think kids nowadays would wanna go back 2 generations of consoles just to get caught up in a story about a thief raccoon who's friends with a turtle and a hippo
If they chose to stick with open world, the world better feel very lived in. Sly 2’s open worlds were great but it was also very early on in the “open world era”. These days we’re so spoiled with games like AC and Skyrim with hundreds of hours of exploring, Sly doesn’t need to do that, but a map like Paris from Sly 2 won’t feel as large anymore.
I think it would be cool if Sly 5 built on the idea of Sly and the gang traveling to all these different countries, but the countries could all be connected via rivers and bridges in one big open space world. And these countries would be really big! But they would all be seamlessly connected. And the gang could stake out in the Cooper Van, and you could drive the Cooper Van anywhere between all the different countries. Or maybe Bentley would have made a new unique way of traveling as well. But then I think what would make it cool is you could have Sly doing his normal thieving thing among everyday civillians. And you had to try to keep civilians safe, but at the same time they could also call Interpol on you for your crimes and being caught in areas you’re not supposed to. Then Interpol could chase you across country and you’d have to try to lose the heat. And part of this big, interconnected world, would be a big boss in each country like in the original games, that are all part of an inner gang. And you are focused on taking each of them down with information you learn about them from each of the different countries. The story wouldn’t be as linear anymore, but I think it could work to make the game fresh. Then on top of that, the way you take down these big bosses is by planning your own heist, in contrast to pulling off the heist in only the very specific way Bentley plans it. Then you could approach taking down bosses like the new Hitman games, or Dishonored. Where you have a big open map with lots of avenues, and you can go about completing it however you want to. Gathering leads and using different tools and things. Maybe the story could adapt depending on who you take down first. And you could only complete parts of heists maybe based on your progress in other countries. And I also want to stress, I think having Sly in a civilian setting, but still pulling off his normal traversal and robberies would make the game really fun! As you have to maintain being a good guy, but stealing from the bad guys while also protecting civilian and trying to not get caught.
Maybe they can make it to where you can go out with two characters which could allow you to do some unique moves together, like how Murray used to be able to throw Bentley in Sly 2.
Me thinks if Sly 5 were to become more ambitious, it would do something crazy like a multi-player mode. The kind where of mode like Army of Two, where you can play with friends and focus on your part of the plan. Or maybe create your own heists decisions like in GTAV.
The heist missions in sly 4 would not be a problem if it weren’t for sanzarus repetitive nature and lack of story planning. They can make good graphics for remastered versions but when it came down to creating villainous schemes and missions on their own they basically recycled previous stuff, the grizz was basically a thug version of Dimitri. A good story structure could have help us enjoy the repetitive structure because we would be to engaged to care about it, but sanzaru neglected it.
I still hope we get a conclusion to the time travel thing, it wasn't right to leave sly in Egypt and then never make another game, sly deserved better. Edit: the reason it's hard for them to go off Formula is because it could ruin the game, look at assassins creed, they went off and turned into the Witcher games. Sly can't become the Witcher.
O problema de Assassin's Creed é que eles saturaram a fórmula da série muito rápido e quando veio a hora de renovar, optaram por seguir a moda de jogos rpg mundo aberto iguais a The Witcher 3. Particularmente algo que caberia melhor ao estilo de ASSASSINO era o estilo da série Hitman, com mais opções de ASSASSINATO, como disfarce, contratar outros npcs para fazer alguma ação, como atrair um personagem e até usar o cenário para matar os alvos. Ainda adicione no parkour um estilo mais tradicional onde você não simplesmente segura um botão e o personagem faz tudo sozinho, isso é extremamente enjoativo e chato, com algumas mecânicas da falecida saga Prince Of Persia, como correr na parede e os saltos de uma pra outra, encaixaria muito melhor no estilo ASSASSINO e não um guerreiro que bate de frente com todos
To me it seems that the problem with sly 4 is that the characters controls and movement feel a little different and off a bit compared to sly 2 and 3 which worked better, I bet if they hopefully make a sly 5 and 6 and they use the control and movement for the characters be like in sly 2 and 3 again I think it can succeed like that
I already mentioned how Sly 5 could work in your previous video, but I'll add that it shouldn't be called Sly 5 simply because Sly 4 isn't officially the name. I also think your idea of going back and forth between Sly and the gang is a fantastic idea
In my opinion if the open world mission game play was completely removed i dont think it will be as good i think they should improve it maybe make it one huge open world like gta or ty 2 and just have a lot of missions to play at one time and it would be cool to go in houses and steal from people not in mission just when you want and have a day and night cycle. i do like what you said about all 3 sly games having something different about them i have been a huge fan of sly games for years i get annoyed that this franchise has been dead for years.
For me the real problem was the Gameplay felt so strange, jumping with Sly was perfect in 2 and 3. I dont even know how to say it, Sly 4 felt heavy but without gravity lol
counter argument for each of the ancestors' special skills-- taking a second to not look at it from gameplay perspective. how about from a lore perspective? so of course its gonna feel the same! where'd u think sly learned those skills from? ;) sly can do all the skills he can because just like every other cooper ancestor before him invented/coined those skills. so when we play bob or galleth n etc, we're playing out the origins of those special skills! i think that's a nice touch other than that i adore the video n agree with ur ideas for a future sly game!
I agree. Most of them were fun characters. But it being thieves in times main gameplay gimmick was bit underwhelming. But yes, they were definitely unique in terms of personality!
You’re being hypocritical look at call of duty it’s literally the same game all the time and it’s been done over like 15 different times and it’s boring now I really enjoyed thieves of times it was definitely different from sucker punch but what they brought was awsome I love the half/semi open world with missions and hiests and a boss battle that’s what sly Cooper is I loved how they finally brought back the bottles which is amazing I loved the costumes and we need a follow up from sly 4 and a conuation of that and bring him back from Egypt
Sly is one of those franchises that I think could use a spiritual successor more than a full-blown entry, you know? Like an indie game that clearly takes inspiration but is still doing its own thing. There aren't a ton of stealth games out there nowadays, and the ones that do exist are real different from Sly.
This is actually a really solid idea. There are tons of fnaf fan games out there that are arguably better than the main games, or just as good. I would love to see somebody or multiple people make a new sly game with the theme of Sly 2 and 3, but with its own spice added to it. If it was made for a slightly more mature audience too rather than more kid friendly I think it could be great.
Love 💕 old sly cooper series awesome and great to and sly 4 it okay not perfect 😅I wish could remake or maybe 🤔 reboot really excellent if made remake if not really better remaster all four sly games on two disc maybe if not if not working final reboot series well wait and see what happens only time we’ll tell
Sly Cooper 5 would be good and amazing that Sly will find away to go back home while Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita Fox are searching for Sly Cooper and must be aware towards Penelope plans. We will never give up hope.
Tactical Bacon Productions made a vid going over this issue, two vids in fact actually. First one was discussing why Thieves In Time was such a commercial failure and why that led to us never getting a Sly 5. The points he made include the target audience, who was Thieves In Time made for? Really only fans of the trilogy, furries and apathetic parents who were too cheap to get their kids the more popular kids games at the time, which...isn't much of an audience. It couldn't hit a mainstream audience cause, well Sly Cooper never had mainstream appealed, even at its peak, Band Of Thieves only sold about 1,000,000 units which is pretty admirable but is by no means an earth shattering feat. But even if none of that was going against TIT, the game wouldn't have been as successful since it came out in a dead zone of the series history, it came out too late to be relevant but also too early to be nostalgic, it was nothing to nobody outside of the most hardcore of hardcore fans like us. People remember the trilogy, not so much the reunion that would come eight years later. His other video on the other hand dissected why Sly 5 probably SHOULDN'T happen. You only really have two routes to take the series in from TIT's ending; either have the whole game revolve around rescuing Sly from Egypt, or have Sly's rescue as an aside and have the whole plot revolve around something else entirely. Problem with the former is that you'd have to drastically alter the entire Gameplay formula that it would make it an entirely different game from the series altogether which wouldn't be what fans would want from a comeback game, especially when there were only ever four games of the series, three of which had the same formula to make them all feel a part of the same franchise. The latter on the other hand would just lead us wondering what the point is since...well, where can you even go from rescuing Sly? First off; making Sly's rescue immediately resolved at the very beginning would further highlight how pointless TIT's cliffhanger was and the entire story of that game by extension, making the entire thing obligatory and rushed, as though we just need to hurry it up and get to something new which wouldn't sit well for fans just getting into the series via this game especially or haven't played TIT in years for that matter. But than once you get Sly out, what then? Focus on Penelope as the main villain? That didn't work well in TIT and it doesn't feel like it'll be any different with a sequel. But more than anything; TIT also introduced time travel, which means you can't go back to smaller scaled adventures by that point, you'd have to raise the stakes with newer games, like introducing space travel, interdimensional travel, and by that point, we'd have no real clue what Sly Cooper is anymore. So yeah; overall moral of the story; a Sly 5 would be doomed from the very beginning, both commercially and creatively. Hence why we need a reset for the franchise, remind everyone what Sly Cooper was and how it began, either via a remake or a reboot, introducing new fans to the mix, while roping back in old fans who left the series behind at some point after its glory days. By that point; we'd have gained interest in the series once again to make more games, which than lets us think more about where to take the series from that point on.
That doesn’t means he’s right. All you guys are really doing is completely exaggerating small details. He literally calls himself the snark king so of course he’s going to say a sequel won’t work.
All that time wasted on stating sly 5 problems could easily have been used to resolve it, if you have the time and creativity to do it. For instance, Sly being trapped in Egypt is no different than when we started breaking into Carmelita’s office in sly 1, the Egypt museum in sly 2, playing an amnesia victim in sly 4, and starting the final chapter before recapping in sly 3. So starting off being rescued from Egypt right off the start was never an issue since that’s how the games are normally played out, he is a thief that has all kinds of adventures and time traveling was no different than his time stealing the fire stone of India that we never got to witness. Time traveling is just a gimmick anyway, no different than facing an army of the undead. All it really did was give us a chance to see our ancestors, everything else can easily be replicated in the present because that’s where the villains got their tech to begin with.
The reason why Sly 4 didn’t do that well is because it mostly came out in a era where people really didn’t care about 3D platformers COMPARED to todays market with so many remakes. Those who complained about Sly 4’s gameplay mostly didn’t like how it was floaty and the jobs kinda had less of an impact leading up the the heists. I’m NOT saying Sly’s formula can’t be updated, in fact in some degree I think it would be interesting to update it’s formula but I don’t think it’s gameplay formula is outright outdated as many gamers still love semi/open world games especially if they have some stealth aspect. Moving forward I think it boils down to the fact that that series would be better off getting a soft reboot or remake than an actual “Sly 5”.
I think that Sly 4 didn’t do that well because it wasn’t overall that appealing. It didn’t have the same spirit the original 3 did, and I think that’s because Sanzaru tried to recreate it, but couldn’t quite capture it. Sly 5 would have to be pretty original to succeed and it would have to be made by the original people who made Sly, or just someone who really understands Sly Cooper.
Glad i found your channel, awesome videos man. Nostalgic, Informative, Funny, Edit, Voice. So relaxing and enjoyable to listen and watch. Keep it up dude.
Thank you! More discussion videos otw mixed in with the glitch showcases😎
It really depends on what villains he will face in the next game.
I feel you all the way bro. For me personally, I would rather get a comic series or graphic novel based on what happened after the events of Sly 4.
Sly 5 wouldnt work for the exact reasons you said, but a canon comic by either Sucker Punch or Sanzuru I feel would give fans closure after a decade of "what ifs"
The best way to bring back Sly Cooper is either a Remake or Reboot because the only way Sly Cooper can become successful is through new players who become interested in the franchise, but if they were to start on a continuing story (like a sly 5) they would immediately lose interest so it's better to ro start from scratch story wise at least
This. I don't think kids nowadays would wanna go back 2 generations of consoles just to get caught up in a story about a thief raccoon who's friends with a turtle and a hippo
I think even getting Sly 1-4 on the new consoles in some kind of pack would help.
If they chose to stick with open world, the world better feel very lived in. Sly 2’s open worlds were great but it was also very early on in the “open world era”. These days we’re so spoiled with games like AC and Skyrim with hundreds of hours of exploring, Sly doesn’t need to do that, but a map like Paris from Sly 2 won’t feel as large anymore.
I think it would be cool if Sly 5 built on the idea of Sly and the gang traveling to all these different countries, but the countries could all be connected via rivers and bridges in one big open space world. And these countries would be really big! But they would all be seamlessly connected. And the gang could stake out in the Cooper Van, and you could drive the Cooper Van anywhere between all the different countries. Or maybe Bentley would have made a new unique way of traveling as well.
But then I think what would make it cool is you could have Sly doing his normal thieving thing among everyday civillians. And you had to try to keep civilians safe, but at the same time they could also call Interpol on you for your crimes and being caught in areas you’re not supposed to. Then Interpol could chase you across country and you’d have to try to lose the heat.
And part of this big, interconnected world, would be a big boss in each country like in the original games, that are all part of an inner gang. And you are focused on taking each of them down with information you learn about them from each of the different countries. The story wouldn’t be as linear anymore, but I think it could work to make the game fresh.
Then on top of that, the way you take down these big bosses is by planning your own heist, in contrast to pulling off the heist in only the very specific way Bentley plans it. Then you could approach taking down bosses like the new Hitman games, or Dishonored. Where you have a big open map with lots of avenues, and you can go about completing it however you want to. Gathering leads and using different tools and things.
Maybe the story could adapt depending on who you take down first. And you could only complete parts of heists maybe based on your progress in other countries. And I also want to stress, I think having Sly in a civilian setting, but still pulling off his normal traversal and robberies would make the game really fun! As you have to maintain being a good guy, but stealing from the bad guys while also protecting civilian and trying to not get caught.
Jeez, people demanded Sly Cooper 5. Me, I should also demand it, but I like to see Sly Cooper with pants on.
DUDE MAN I HAD A DREAM YESTERDAY WHERE IT WAS THE BEST SLY 5 WAS OUT IN MY DREAM OR SOMETHING AND THEN I WOKE UP MAN but yeah i miss sly so much
I just want _some_ kind of official continuation because I just hate the idea of leaving Sly trapped in Egypt.
Maybe they can make it to where you can go out with two characters which could allow you to do some unique moves together, like how Murray used to be able to throw Bentley in Sly 2.
I think a remaster of the originals would be preferable instead of a new game, I doubt the writing gets any better than that.
Me thinks if Sly 5 were to become more ambitious, it would do something crazy like a multi-player mode. The kind where of mode like Army of Two, where you can play with friends and focus on your part of the plan. Or maybe create your own heists decisions like in GTAV.
The heist missions in sly 4 would not be a problem if it weren’t for sanzarus repetitive nature and lack of story planning. They can make good graphics for remastered versions but when it came down to creating villainous schemes and missions on their own they basically recycled previous stuff, the grizz was basically a thug version of Dimitri. A good story structure could have help us enjoy the repetitive structure because we would be to engaged to care about it, but sanzaru neglected it.
All the more reasons why we need more Creative Reinforcements there must be more that we can do
How would you feel if the cooper cane be used as a grappling hook?
I still hope we get a conclusion to the time travel thing, it wasn't right to leave sly in Egypt and then never make another game, sly deserved better.
Edit: the reason it's hard for them to go off Formula is because it could ruin the game, look at assassins creed, they went off and turned into the Witcher games. Sly can't become the Witcher.
O problema de Assassin's Creed é que eles saturaram a fórmula da série muito rápido e quando veio a hora de renovar, optaram por seguir a moda de jogos rpg mundo aberto iguais a The Witcher 3. Particularmente algo que caberia melhor ao estilo de ASSASSINO era o estilo da série Hitman, com mais opções de ASSASSINATO, como disfarce, contratar outros npcs para fazer alguma ação, como atrair um personagem e até usar o cenário para matar os alvos. Ainda adicione no parkour um estilo mais tradicional onde você não simplesmente segura um botão e o personagem faz tudo sozinho, isso é extremamente enjoativo e chato, com algumas mecânicas da falecida saga Prince Of Persia, como correr na parede e os saltos de uma pra outra, encaixaria muito melhor no estilo ASSASSINO e não um guerreiro que bate de frente com todos
To me it seems that the problem with sly 4 is that the characters controls and movement feel a little different and off a bit compared to sly 2 and 3 which worked better, I bet if they hopefully make a sly 5 and 6 and they use the control and movement for the characters be like in sly 2 and 3 again I think it can succeed like that
I already mentioned how Sly 5 could work in your previous video, but I'll add that it shouldn't be called Sly 5 simply because Sly 4 isn't officially the name. I also think your idea of going back and forth between Sly and the gang is a fantastic idea
Don’t play with me man if there’s going too be a 5th game imma give all money money to it
Feel like if the remastered the old slys.
Get the hype up. And release sly 5 it will be a banger
In my opinion if the open world mission game play was completely removed i dont think it will be as good i think they should improve it maybe make it one huge open world like gta or ty 2 and just have a lot of missions to play at one time and it would be cool to go in houses and steal from people not in mission just when you want and have a day and night cycle. i do like what you said about all 3 sly games having something different about them i have been a huge fan of sly games for years i get annoyed that this franchise has been dead for years.
For me the real problem was the Gameplay felt so strange, jumping with Sly was perfect in 2 and 3. I dont even know how to say it, Sly 4 felt heavy but without gravity lol
Will sly 5 even happen? Is it even confirmed? I hope it is but probably not
Oh no that's not good if no Sly 5 since the main character is still stuck in Egypt how will we ever see Sly be reunited with Bentley and Murray? 😭😢😥
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counter argument for each of the ancestors' special skills-- taking a second to not look at it from gameplay perspective. how about from a lore perspective?
so of course its gonna feel the same! where'd u think sly learned those skills from? ;)
sly can do all the skills he can because just like every other cooper ancestor before him invented/coined those skills. so when we play bob or galleth n etc, we're playing out the origins of those special skills! i think that's a nice touch
other than that i adore the video n agree with ur ideas for a future sly game!
I agree. Most of them were fun characters. But it being thieves in times main gameplay gimmick was bit underwhelming. But yes, they were definitely unique in terms of personality!
They Should Do A Gta Style , With 1,000’s Of Missions …
You’re being hypocritical look at call of duty it’s literally the same game all the time and it’s been done over like 15 different times and it’s boring now I really enjoyed thieves of times it was definitely different from sucker punch but what they brought was awsome I love the half/semi open world with missions and hiests and a boss battle that’s what sly Cooper is I loved how they finally brought back the bottles which is amazing I loved the costumes and we need a follow up from sly 4 and a conuation of that and bring him back from Egypt
Sly is one of those franchises that I think could use a spiritual successor more than a full-blown entry, you know? Like an indie game that clearly takes inspiration but is still doing its own thing. There aren't a ton of stealth games out there nowadays, and the ones that do exist are real different from Sly.
This is actually a really solid idea. There are tons of fnaf fan games out there that are arguably better than the main games, or just as good. I would love to see somebody or multiple people make a new sly game with the theme of Sly 2 and 3, but with its own spice added to it. If it was made for a slightly more mature audience too rather than more kid friendly I think it could be great.
I would want to see the opposite: drivable vehicles, openworld and missions littered at cities/bases breath of the wild style
thats a good idea ngl
Love 💕 old sly cooper series awesome and great to and sly 4 it okay not perfect 😅I wish could remake or maybe 🤔 reboot really excellent if made remake if not really better remaster all four sly games on two disc maybe if not if not working final reboot series well wait and see what happens only time we’ll tell
Sly Cooper 5 would be good and amazing that Sly will find away to go back home while Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita Fox are searching for Sly Cooper and must be aware towards Penelope plans. We will never give up hope.
Tactical Bacon Productions made a vid going over this issue, two vids in fact actually. First one was discussing why Thieves In Time was such a commercial failure and why that led to us never getting a Sly 5. The points he made include the target audience, who was Thieves In Time made for? Really only fans of the trilogy, furries and apathetic parents who were too cheap to get their kids the more popular kids games at the time, which...isn't much of an audience. It couldn't hit a mainstream audience cause, well Sly Cooper never had mainstream appealed, even at its peak, Band Of Thieves only sold about 1,000,000 units which is pretty admirable but is by no means an earth shattering feat. But even if none of that was going against TIT, the game wouldn't have been as successful since it came out in a dead zone of the series history, it came out too late to be relevant but also too early to be nostalgic, it was nothing to nobody outside of the most hardcore of hardcore fans like us. People remember the trilogy, not so much the reunion that would come eight years later.
His other video on the other hand dissected why Sly 5 probably SHOULDN'T happen. You only really have two routes to take the series in from TIT's ending; either have the whole game revolve around rescuing Sly from Egypt, or have Sly's rescue as an aside and have the whole plot revolve around something else entirely. Problem with the former is that you'd have to drastically alter the entire Gameplay formula that it would make it an entirely different game from the series altogether which wouldn't be what fans would want from a comeback game, especially when there were only ever four games of the series, three of which had the same formula to make them all feel a part of the same franchise. The latter on the other hand would just lead us wondering what the point is since...well, where can you even go from rescuing Sly? First off; making Sly's rescue immediately resolved at the very beginning would further highlight how pointless TIT's cliffhanger was and the entire story of that game by extension, making the entire thing obligatory and rushed, as though we just need to hurry it up and get to something new which wouldn't sit well for fans just getting into the series via this game especially or haven't played TIT in years for that matter. But than once you get Sly out, what then? Focus on Penelope as the main villain? That didn't work well in TIT and it doesn't feel like it'll be any different with a sequel. But more than anything; TIT also introduced time travel, which means you can't go back to smaller scaled adventures by that point, you'd have to raise the stakes with newer games, like introducing space travel, interdimensional travel, and by that point, we'd have no real clue what Sly Cooper is anymore.
So yeah; overall moral of the story; a Sly 5 would be doomed from the very beginning, both commercially and creatively. Hence why we need a reset for the franchise, remind everyone what Sly Cooper was and how it began, either via a remake or a reboot, introducing new fans to the mix, while roping back in old fans who left the series behind at some point after its glory days. By that point; we'd have gained interest in the series once again to make more games, which than lets us think more about where to take the series from that point on.
That doesn’t means he’s right. All you guys are really doing is completely exaggerating small details. He literally calls himself the snark king so of course he’s going to say a sequel won’t work.
All that time wasted on stating sly 5 problems could easily have been used to resolve it, if you have the time and creativity to do it. For instance, Sly being trapped in Egypt is no different than when we started breaking into Carmelita’s office in sly 1, the Egypt museum in sly 2, playing an amnesia victim in sly 4, and starting the final chapter before recapping in sly 3. So starting off being rescued from Egypt right off the start was never an issue since that’s how the games are normally played out, he is a thief that has all kinds of adventures and time traveling was no different than his time stealing the fire stone of India that we never got to witness.
Time traveling is just a gimmick anyway, no different than facing an army of the undead. All it really did was give us a chance to see our ancestors, everything else can easily be replicated in the present because that’s where the villains got their tech to begin with.