Chinese Concentration Camps - The Story of Kim Wu, Pearwood Residences, & Natick Banks
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The "Kim" sur/name is usually a Korean last name, meaning that the lore is even darker because it implies that the US Government rounded up not only the Chinese Americans, but anyone who looked Chinese, regardless of their true heritage and ethnicity
Andy B it’s a girl it’s confirmed her name was kim her last name was wu
or suspected they were from North Korea, if it existed in the FO universe.
@@GiordanDiodatogiven the lore changes that date back to the 50s it’s highly likely that Korea is only 1 state and knowing China it’s probably a puppet state.
Damn was about to write something funny then saw 5ys ago 💀
It reminds me when in ww2 they put Japanese Americans in camps
You know, even after nearly 400 hours with this game, I don't think ive spent more the 15 minutes in the Natick area.
Crystallking H Haha so true
I never understand how people have so little hours in this game. I have a very social life, but still I have 1227 hours in this game, and only 1 settlement mod. Hours should fly by playing this game!
I play alot of other games, I trust you are no stranger to steamsales.
Gref Steel Same... not sure of how many hours I've put in though... at the moment I'm walking along the railroad tracks around the Commonwealth... such an expansive story... I love it
You know, its kind of funny the game I have played the most, BY FAR, is the sims 3.
I played that game to hell and back clocking in all well over 3000 hours! and thats just in a period of 2-3 years!
I like how in post-war America racism against other humans isn't seen. Like towns, villages, and tribes are made up of various ethnicities and all can still have high standings in their societies like Colonel Hsu in the NCR who is Chinese American. But it's because the racism instead shifted towards ghouls, mutants, and synths
Those with hate in their hearts always start at the top of the hate bucket and work their way down as their targets are eliminated.
It's a heirarchy of hate.
its something i used to always say. the only way for war (with other people) and racism really have a change to die is if we come in contact with aliens. If there is something not human its easier to view them with hate
Survival plays a key role there. Humans are a social species - living in groups is our survival strategy. Limiting your groups based on racism would work against you and lead to your group possibly dying out. That would mean that those who *weren't* racist would have a survival advantage - they wouldn't be turning away skills or even the advantage of numbers due to something as petty as a person's race. And racism is an inherited trait of sorts - it's passed on through the education and parenting a person receives in their childhood. So if most of the racists die out, that means there's less racists to pass on their beliefs to the next generation.
On the other hand, being suspicious of ghouls and mutants would present a survival advantage. After all, most super mutants want to kill (and eat) humans - so giving them a wide berth or shooting on sight would only increase your survival chances. Feral ghouls are a lot more common than non-feral ghouls. So treating them as dangerous and to be avoided (or killed on sight) would also grant the survivors an advantage. As far as synths are concerned, most ppl don't really know who is a synth - most of their fear and hatred of synths is due to paranoia, largely fueled by the Institute's actions and silence. Given the Institute's presence as a boogeyman in the Commonwealth and the synths' reputation as the Institute's agents, it's a reasonable fear to have.
Creepy Closet Yep. The hate doesn't go away. It just fell on the next minority down the line.
There is one thing you forgot, in the south Boston check point their is a terminal entry about US solders detaining the Wu family after a minor misunderstanding
"Nuclear fire that rained down upon the just and unjust equally." That's a good line.
theres also an internment camp in the fallout 3 dlc Point Lookout "Turtledove Detention Camp (or Camp Turtledove) is a military prison camp. During the Sino-American War, this camp was used to detain suspected Chinese spies or saboteurs who were allegedly working against the USA. Prisoners were kept in abysmal conditions."
Sounds like a reflection of Japanese interment camp’s from WWII. Seeing as the Fallout culture hasn’t advanced past that era, I’m not surprised.
The timeline of fallout did split from our own after WWII so they did have the Japanese interment camps in their time if we want to believe everything that happened up to then happened in their world too. Thats the other scary part too, they did it twice then for two different groups of people...
@@angelsinthewindow well the Japanese camps were for Japanese people however they didn’t really check if you were Japanese. A lot of times other Asian ethnicities were placed in the camps.
@@saintdruwski3165 I know. My post was the broad fact of it but the meaning was still there in the fact they did this twice and didn't learn from the first time.... its fucked up to put it plainly.
The Enclave springing from the US government makes a lot more sense now.
Yeah sounds like they were in charge already
@@shitbeausaysofficialthey were lol
I mean, sure, baseball *is* played in the wasteland!
With *SWATTAS!*
Knockrotter Get your SWATTAS!!
From now on, I'm gonna always use a swatta whenever I play Fallout 4...
*FOR KIM!*
My Swatta is called Lucille and has barbed wire wrapped around it :P
My swatter has barbed wire around it, but it's named Glenn, if you get my joke.
Knockrotter my World Series 2077 baseball bat is named Lucille. It is aluminum with the best upgrade (sawbladed and barbed). It always does it's lucky attribute: sends people flying
The only little tidbit you left out was that description on the loading screen that says the Yao Gui were named by the descendants of the survivors of the chinese internment camps (or something like that).
in the loading screen for Yao Gui
Your are right and wrong it talks about the Chinese but not the camps but the soldiers during the battle of Anchorage Alaska (bit of a lore fanatic) hoped I helped
Minute Man soldier nope, it's specifically said internment camps
Javier Rubio well I guess i was wrong thank you for correcting me I give you my thanks
Milo Wadlin oh cool!
I remember reading "Anne Franke: The Diary of a Young Girl," in School, and it broke my heart. It really grinds my gears when people claim that what they're doing is "For the greater good," when what they're doing is inhumane and cruel!
@Chimmug-ui Agma Ha. There are Nazis killing jews in the modern day? Okay
@@Spazzycat14 You asked the wrong question.
@@Spazzycat14 No, Aidan is referencing Trump of course. He's another sobbing liberal.
@@lordvoldemortsrighthanddea1740 were screwed either way. We need a anti racism, environment loving person in the white house. And get rid of attention seeking pelosi. *WAIT!* Hear me out. What if we had a stoner president? It worked before!
@@anonomuse9094 we've had anti racist presidents for a while now.
10:00 Detective sleuth over here trying to repair the skeleton
I was hoping someone else noticed what I did haha
fallout 3 had turtledove detention center a concentration camp for Chinese civilians and a prison for spies. one of the morgue drawers was even labeled wu. probably not song wu though
I Steal Your Toast Wasn't it a Chinese spy quest that takes us to find him
+Freedom Bear Yes behind the velvet curtain I think its called
I Steal Your Toast that quest I could never finish because I'm scared to go underwater
+Mark Hirsch yeah it wasn't easy to get to that sub without drowning plus don't even try if your rads were high right. I stockpiled radaway and did test dives to find the hatch first resurface for breath and then head back down. that's how I managed it but it took a few times
People wish to see a fallout game set in China, but I think it would be better suited for a dlc. Fallout us so heavily tied to the U.S that a whole game in China wouldn't be a Fallout game, so many things would have to change.
No power armor
No robots
No Vaults (as we know them)
No Vault Boy
No bottle caps
No Nuka-Cola
No Fat-Man
When you think of Fallout you think of these things. That's why China should just be a dlc.
Matthew Hilliker Well the Chinese had Stealth Suits, nukes, and Assult Rifles (arguably the second best rifle in Fallout 3) so maybe they had other sorts of interesting military technology and possibly an equivalent to vaults. Also caps are a makeshift currency in the U.S. so it would be likely they have another form of money which could range from shells to...well anything really.
that and they make games on areas they know. a la Capital Wasteland and Boston and they know far more about American culture and tendencies then they could about China. If they attempted it, it would risk being racist or insensitive.
Jodie Fox
Well in order for the dlc to be believable lore wise I would have the game take place in Alaska/Canada.
There would be a small BoS base in Anchorage Alaska. The base itself would be comprised mostly of misfits, screw ups, and other BoS personnel that no one else wanted.
Then they hear of world changing tech in China, thinking this is their best shot to get back in the BoS good grace they take their only Vertibird and you (if your bos).
However you and your team are shot down by a unknown enemy. You crash and you and (what will be your dlc companion) are two of 3-4 survivors.
Now your goal is to find out who shot you down and how to get home. All the while dealing with a unfamiliar culture, a hell of a language barrier and all new hellish monsters as you try to survive...
The RED MENACE!!
(That would be the dlc title.)
Jodie Fox
Thanks, I actually came up with that on the fly. That's just me thinking off the top of my head.
Jodie Fox
Oh I just thought of this.
In order to deal with the language problem you could have a new perk or perk books that allow you to translate Chinese. And if you have all perks/skill books then you now understand NPCs as if they are speaking English. Which for gameplay purposes, they are.
Hey I actually live in a small town in Texas called mexia with old Asian-american concentration camp apartments they are now called "the state school" which houses inmates that are declared "criminally insane" (the facilitators are not at all reputable and are looked down upon by the community).
I always felt Kim Wu was a little girl.
Wiki confirms my feels.
Exactly XD
If Fallout Pre-Bomb drop lore tells us anything in the Fallout games, it's that the American government became pretty brutal as world tensions rose. They executed trouble makers when they annexed canada, they rounded up Chinese Americans and shipped them off, and their raids in the chinese homeland were ruthless.
StrangeDaysGaming wait that did the pre war us government do to Canada?
The U.S. annexed Canada sometime before the Great War. iirc. the intro video to Fallout 1 shows TV footage of a U.S. soldier in power armor executing a Canadian resistance fighter. The survivalist, Randal Clark, from the New Vegas DLC Honest Hearts, was a soldier that was part of the annexation. He described it as, "sickening, the criminality of it."
Matt D oh wow, thanks for explanation btw :))
StrangeDaysGaming Reminds me of when they shipped off the Japanese Americans during WW2
Interesting
I wish Canada and Mexico was explored more, they are Americas neighbours.
Canada I think is the most feasible because you could still have the tech and equipment from the US since they invaded and annexed it. Mexico...ehh not so sure from problems we listed before.
Mexico City would be a good place to have a game set in considering it was bombed to shit.
Canada was annexed by the U.S
And American région in fallout
Jeez we annexed our neighbors to save our oil are we the baddies here
The Town of Natick is Actually pronounced Nay-Tick. I live in that town lol
this was driving me up the wall the whole video lol
Is it weird to play this game? Surely you see some real world subjects that you recognize... all torn up and blown to smithereens
Richard Avelino while the architecture style and biome is some what similar(and Lake Cochituate is real) the town in fallout looks nothing like Natick
Richard Avelino although seeing Boston and Natick destroyed is horrifying since I live here in real life
When I lived among the Japanese community in Hawaii, I learned that when the war started the state knew what was coming (with the large, Japanese community there), did an actual risk assessment and interred one person. Then when the internment orders came through, they said that they'd already taken care of it.
As for Anne Frank's diary, it was that and the changes leading up to it that told me a year ago that it was time to leave the United States a year ago. I didn't believe things would get as bad as they have done in the last year but then, neither did Anne's parents.
We really dodged a bullet in January. It's a shame you left, though. We need all the help we can get. Fallout is not entirely inaccurate in the sense that if the world's largest nuclear power fell into more clever and diabolical tiny hands, I'm not so sure there would be anywhere to hide.
@@furiousapplesack "lets go Brandon" 😂🤣😂🤣😂
You people are delusional.
Good riddance to you. Quite delusional.
The way you labeled each place to explore was pretty awesome.
jake gonzalez I enjoyed that also, the overhead shot 👍
in the old world blues DLC for New Vegas there's a Chinese interment camp where they kept Chinese people to use for their experiments. it even has some ghouls that used to be Chinese Americans that were being held in the camp.
the location is called "Little Yangtze"
I've read Anne frank and the story causes a cold shiver to go down my spine
despite all the things left unfinished in the game ( gunners faction and underwater aspect for ex) i really gotta tip my hat to the team, they really do try to provide a immersive lore experience. makes me wonder what they could have accomplished given another year.
I put 300 hours in this game and somehow I still haven't seen everything Oxhorn makes videos on.
Tactical Spam plague marine
Tactical Spam same
In my first playthroug i visited every location. I guesstimate i saw 90-95 % of the content. It took me 600 hours.
Tactical Spam that's what I love about this game series. even when you think you've seen it all, there's still plenty more to find out r even rediscover in a way you didn't understand at first.
Reminds me a little of Dying Light especially when The Following came out. Games where 15% is the main game ad the other 85% is finding it everything else in the games world I find to never be boring if you give it the chance and time to find it all out
Tactical Spam 300 hours is nothing
Fallout 4 is darker than I thought :/
All of the fallout games have a very very dark undercurrent running through them.
fallout in general is rather dark. 3 at least tries to at a bit of light into the darkness that is the post war wastes.
You have no idea man.
le Hoarderz Al-Shekelsteins *great game
Turn up your brightness in the settings that should work.
What is more American than baseball?
Football, cheeseburgers,and misusing nuclear weapons.
Complaining about everything too
Anne and it's about to work for North Korea
Burgers originated in Hamburg Germany
By "misuse," do you mean WW2?
X3R0 M4R1N3 shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This story made me shed tears, and i barely cry.
Even if its a game, thats still a really heartbreaking story
Imo better than the shoddycast
JuiceHead hi I subbed to you yesterday
JuiceHead Hi i did not sub to you and never heard of you (:
TacticalFaceplm _ granted but Shoddycast has turned more into machinima than actual lore
Hes not saying Shoddycast is bad hes just saying Ox is better (that i agree with)
JuiceHead when's the next mod showcase coming up ps didn't expect to see you here
Kim Wu's parents are detained their names are Michael Wu and Jennifer Wu
I really got to admire the lore that the devs put into this game, it all is quite sad and hits hard when you play through it all.
I like to think that young Kim and his family turned into supermutants then came back and ate their antagonists.
Dude do you remember what it takes to BECOME a super mutant? No way man.
He return and his name is JOHN CENA !!!! no his name is Kim Chong Un
Sakraida82 feral ghoul?
You clearly forgot how super mutants came to be.
Vince Lok nah m8 they fled to North Korea where they set up the Kim dynasty and start this dictator life there and how Kim become the only fat kid in the country
I thought Kim was a Korean name rather than a Chinese name?
Karelwolfpup me too.
Karelwolfpup
I mean it is Korean, Kim jung un.
Karelwolfpup it's present in Chinese culture too but it's also possible that,like it's irl equivalent, the Chinese internment wasn't limited to just Chinese citizens.
Kim is a common surname for Koreans.
here Kim is given name. just like Kim Kardashian
entirely possible, although the Wu part at the end would suggest a Chinese last name. Was Kim Wu then a half Korean, half Chinese kid who loved baseball?
no one suffers more in war then children.
DahliasDarkside no, I think soldiers suffer pretty bad
But maybe that's just me
not really paranoia just instincts or a combination of the both. Natural when one group of people fight another group of people based on ideas, but when the more simpleton of the people in the groups fights with the lacking of knowledge as to why they are fighting it creates a instinct of discrimination of body complexities than ideals as it is more easier to out the different people and not the ones of the same group.
Christopher Davis I could see That I mean. I walked into my brother in laws bedroom ( Ex Paratrooper who had alot of buddies die and commit suicide) had pill bottles everywhere and he just looked dead...
DahliasDarkside Soldiers* they’re the one getting bombed,shot,tortured, and so on
You clearly haven't read the diaries and letters of Russian and German soldiers on the eastern front of WW2.
Thank you for mentioning the Japanese concentration camps, it's important we learn from the mistakes of history, a key theme in the Fallout games.
It wasn't a mistake it was necessary fuck you and your feelings
@@reptiles3244 been 10 months now, cooled off at all buddy?
@@cornycobble3042 been two minutes gained any braincells yet?
@@reptiles3244 and I'll bet you are the same person who boohoos when anybody shows any hint of resentment towards white people. Right? So now just imagine that ×10 for being from an ethnicity you can't control. But you won't, because it's no use talking to a brick wall :D
@@reptiles3244 What is this about
Man, this story is heartbreaking. And you, Ox, told the story so well!
Yes. And it shows that no nation is safe from what Nazi Germany did. If tensions and hate are big enough, propaganda flows long enough - we all are faible to agree on concentration camps be okay. It sadens me. My only hope is that we do better and learn from history
At 10:00 did you just try to give the body's head back xD
Alec Tan The Apache lol
If you like hunting Deathclaws Natick is the place to be, just keep making your way towards the power plant and you should run into five or six Deathclaws and one Behemoth at the power station.
I live within 10 miles of past Japanese Internment camps located in Springville, Utah.There's a hill that the American Japanese people named, i forgot what the name is. I do feel bad for the men, women, and the children kept there.
For future reference, Natick is pronounced Nay-tick
At the S. Boston Military Checkpoints there was an entry about a Wu family. The son has a different name but it could still have a link. Possibly they changed their names for protection etc. This is what was logged in the terminal;
Date: 11 Oct 2077 Subject: Wu, Michael and Jennifer (wife), son George
Status: Detained
Notes: Subjects displayed suspicious behavior, resulting in a full inspection, including dismantling the vehicle. Despite a lack of contraband and a full apology from the inspection lead, the subjects began acting aggressively, including yelling at soldiers in a foreign language (most likely Chinese). Subjects were detained and Military Police was contacted in accordance with the field manual.
Playing red menace, *Very Dishonourable*
TRIGGERED
FalloutPlayer Liberty prime hated that
We are kind in the red community(^-^)
HighQueefYT why would he??? Its an anti commie propaganda game, that is essentially his core programming.
Bob Jones because the communist took his maker
United COMMONWEALTHS of America (yes I'm a lore nerd)
Lord Inquisiteur Willhelm Von Steiner only Massachusetts is called the commonwealth of Massachusetts (I think)
Christopher Davis no 13 commonwealths only Massachusetts is known as the commonwealth post war
Formally called 'The New England Commonwealth' prior to the war, now it's just called 'The Commonwealth Wasteland'
In the fallout lore it's the 13 Commonwealths of America
(this is why the flag has 13 stars surrounding the central star which represents the country as a whole)
MochiMejika I think you won
The interesting thing about the Kim Wu terminal entries is that they imply that there should be a hidden room under the house. Kim specifically mentions that the tv playing the world series is upstairs. There's one tv in the house and it's on the ground floor. However, exploring the location, I couldn't find a hidden room or cellar. Wondering if it got cut from the game?
For what it's worth, I'm also pretty sure Kim is a girl. Everyone else mentioned in the terminal entries has a western given name except (possibly) Song. Wu is a common Chinese surname, but the name Kim isn't Chinese- it's Korean. Additionally, it's a Korean surname rather than a Korean given name. Given that the subtext of the entries is that Kim is as American as anybody else and that internment is wrong, I think it's fair to assume that Kim's family would write their names like most Americans, given name first. American Kim Wu is probably a girl.
Not sure if it's related, but just found something in the game which reminded me of this.
There is a location in the game called 'S Boston Military Checkpoint' almost exactly east of 'Big Johns Salvage'. Inside a small metal structure is a terminal, if you read this terminal it contains a log of vehicles they stopped... including one belonging to the Wu family. The entry details how the family were acting and what they did to them.
WWIII only lasted 2 hours
And like Einstein said "WW4 will be fought with plasma rifles and power fists!"
Rob Fraser
Fawkes: "IT'S TIME TO KILL!!!!!!"
Joe Elliott, yep.
Rob Fraser, this is the quote, " I do not know what world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein.
Dragonborn Express
r/wooosh
I'm chinese and this touches my heart
I've been going thru your videos a helluva lot. They've gotten me to play FO4 more, so I must say: Thank you, Oxhorn. Thank you for this hard and rewarding work.
I really wanna play fallout before the nuclear war. Like a day in a life of a normal U.S citizen in 2077 like the beginning of the game.
I'd like that too, like the first part of the game explores the riots and the martial law and civil unrest, then the great war happens and you survive and experience the immediate aftermath.
How about a spy/mafia/gta like game in Fallout pre war universe? Like a detective discovering the true meaning of the vaults with many many side missions and at the end of the game the war happens.
@@delta9685 yooo this sounds so sick!!
@@shnilauzdicka YEeee :D
Me too the beginning of fallout four was the best part in my opinion
I'm as cold-hearted as a daed fish pretty much, and I wouldn't want it any way other, but holy crap. That way you can tell these stories, especially the really dark chapters. This one here, the story of Arlen Glass or the mayoral shelter...they move something in me. There are not many people in the world that can claim to have achieved that.
Mikosch2 well let's hope you don't smell like a dead fish
If I wanted, I could. That's just the point about it.
Thank you for making this video Ox. Thank you for telling this sad story, I'm sure that this video must have been hard to make. And because of that I thank you.
Kim Wu is actually a female saying on the wiki
any proof?
Void of Space and Time he said it’s on the wiki
@@GrandTemplarVigilant is the wiki official?
@@bouncypear_net Never met a Chinese guy named Kim. If you're thinking of Korean, Kim is the surname, not their first name. Koreans use the surname first.
@@deedle6073 it actually is a common chinese name
I reckon the 2nd to last entry was about a riot, because Natick was so close to the bomb that they wouldn't of survived in the attic due to radiation. the people entering the house were probably just rioters checking there was no one left
In Fallout: New Vegas there is an internment camp in big Mountain. i didn't explore it too much, as I was running low on ammo and only had a few weak weapons, and there were more Ghouls there than I cared to fight, but if anyone reading this did bother to explore it, was there anything of interest there?
The theme of pre-war fallout is desperate times call for desperate measures.
Desperate measures like starving the rest of the world of resources? The US developed fusion technology, refused to share, then still insisted on claiming all the oil it no longer needs. For desperate countries look elsewhere, Fallout US is at least as greedy as the real world version, it’s everybody else who got desperate.
this is your best content for me, so many times i"ve ran through these games for countless mindless hours looking for loot and kills and exp and not paying any attention to the deepest parts of this game, very good work and enjoyable content!
It's pronounced Nay Tick
- Someone from Massachusetts
Folk Punk Fist Fuck living 20 minutes from Natick this was annoying me lmfao
i was hoping someone commented this LOL god its aggravating
I grew up in Natick, this was so annoying
more like Nay Dick
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and here the good men who could see what was happening simply turned there heads.
I almost want to see a future Fallout game show a concentration camp where after the bombs dropped the unaffected prisoners and those who became non-feral ghouls forged a lasting settlement that the player can still visit and even live in. Wouldn't that be great way to spit in the government of the pre-war days eye as well as a good way to show a more positive message showing that there is perhaps hope after the war for everyone
Ashlei Paginton That was deep man. I like it.
My first thought when Oxhorn mentioned getting to see an internment camp in another game was actually "It'd be really interesting for a game to feature a stable Chinese-American settlement descended from the survivors of a camp who fortified it after the bombs dropped"...
That' was a pretty autistic generalisation. Me thinks you don't understand human mentality rather well since you have this "Disney mentality" morality where theres always good and alwayss bad.
Take that up with Edmund Burke, Famtamdradek.
Isn't that the Shi in Frisco? Minus the ghoul part.
Idk. I find it so much immersive and entertaining when you explain the stories rather than me playing it :/ .... weird me.
Not weird at all, same here :) years later! 👍
@@JamesOKeefe-US Heyy a comment that isnt at least a year old.
Think of it like watching football instead of playing football
Cause he is a wonderful narrator and he breaks everything down across every Fallout game, even early PC Fallout games like Fallout and Fallout 2. I'd love for him to be the radio DJ in the next Fallout game as it would be magical to hear golden oldies and then to hear his voice come on the radio. "Good evening my friends".
There's this whole story my grandma told me about my great grandparents being in an internment camp.
I've always been curious how that skeleton just hangs...intact.
at around 14:00 I'm fairly sure we've already seen what happened to many of these people in previous Fallout games.
For instance in Fallout 3 there was a truck on a stretch of elevated highway in the Northwest of the Capital Wasteland not that far from the big satcom dishes that was carrying "chinese dissidents". If memory serves me right the orders for transportation made it clear that lethal force was authorised. Considering the number of corpses in the trailer, i'd say once the bombs dropped the Military Police driving these people shot them out of hand.
I think there was also concentration camps in the DLC for Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Point Lookout and Old World Blues concentration camps being for dissidents and suspected enemy agents and scientific experimentation respectively.
There were also active, if Ghoulified, Chinese infiltrators at the Mama Dolce food processing plant in the Capital Wasteland, and a number of dead such infiltrators dotted around the Capital Wasteland in sewers, relay towers and possibly even in Fort Constantine, depending on how you explain some of the skeletons, discarded Chinese weapons in parts of the buildings there.
Not that the Chinese themselves treated any potential agents that well either, as you can find out while tracing the steps of one such agent in the Point Lookout DLC.
fallout 4 and other games similar can really show you how dark and evil humans can be, at times it makes you wonder if this world is worth saving
TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA Really? This makes you question if humanity is worth saving?
Humanity was never worth saving, we only sparked a sixth extinction that will come soon
A good commie is a dead commie
Gengar Phantom oh my god no i want peace cant we just love each other??? the world shouldnt be so grim
You've turned me into the biggest lore nerd. Love your informative commentaries so much.
There is one internment camp in fallout that I remember, it was in new vegas in the old world blues DLC in Big mountain.
Could've picked a more light-hearted topic for April Fools but I guess children being hunted by a racist government will have to do.
It's exactly like what happened to Japanese Americans during world war 2, we had to take precautions, because we didn't know who could be a loyalist. This was only made clearer during the Cold War when there were many KGB agents in the United States gathering data and waiting for a signal to attack which never came. I'm not saying that what specifically happened to them during the time was right, but we were in the right to be cautious.
It wasn't racism,it was war.They couldn't know who was truly a traitor so they went with the old one "better to have thousands of innocents die then have one gulity man survive"
There's a difference between putting people in a camp for some time in case they were traitors and putting bomb collars on them and testing experimental killbots on them. Pre-war America was a hellhole where dissent, race or not being American enough made you eligible for a shady government to raid your house, murder your family or use them in some twisted experiments.
Remember that the world of Fallout is so twisted that it was common practice to carve people's brains out and test them in robots or just round up hungry protestors and experiment on them, even showing executions of innocents was shown on daytime TV.
Racist? Nothing racist about targeting people of an ideology. America in fallout wasn't a "white majority" nation. There were HUGE amounts of latinos/asians/blacks in USA that were treated equally.
Who says they were of an ideology? Being a Chinese immigrant or of Chinese descent doesn't automatically make you a Communist. When baseball loving American kids are being hunted by the police because their Dad was an immigrant, that's racism. When they are being stopped and searched and arrested for nothing, that's racism. When they are left in camps to rot for 200 years because they have proximity bombs strapped to their necks, for no reason, that's racist.
Just because they're not burning crosses and killing anyone non-white doesn't mean they weren't persecuting innocent people because of their race and, as seen in the lore of Fallout, anyone who was deemed a 'potential threat' was treated as sub-human fodder for their sick experiments.
This reminded me what US goverment did to Japanese-Americans during WW2.
Yeah, there's definitely a similarity in there... but I just can't see it..
Or what the Japanese did to POWs also in world war 2
@Ryan Kruse Japanese still did fucked up thing to their own people.
@Ryan Kruse yeah so its totally fine that the japanese killed 11million POWs soldiers are people too
@@fenderbender_5022 oh that shit was way worse
i’ve been watching your Fallout 4 videos lately (i don’t even play it) but you have made the game a bit more interesting to me! you’re amazing at telling these stories. great job!
love your videos dude, this has been one of my favourites, keep up the good work
There is a a prison camp for Chinese people in New Vegas in the dlc old world blues.
You should do a video on pre-war america and how it looks very picturesque but is really a dystopia.
Oxhorn, your way with words is beautiful!! Love listening to you talk :)
10:23 wow, the background music and the way you are describing it makes me cry 💔
In my mind I pictured Kim Wu as Dam Son.
Your meme game is lit
I see what Bethesda was doing with Kim's diary.
SH4DOW STRIKE A joke of home being Korean?
The event in this story is similar to the one in the book Hotel on the corner of bitter and sweet on how the Japanese Americans were treated in World War II and we're sent to internment camps during the war.
Ten minutes in and now I've got the old "Baseball! Hot dogs! Apple pie and Chevrolet" jingle stuck in my head. Thanks, Ox!
There's an log entry for a "Wu Family" at the south Boston check point, in the trailer. I think it's Kim's uncle?
XedAck No because we know her uncle is called Marshall and his wife is Song. Names are different
Oh, I thought I heard Kim's uncle's name was "Michael" instead of "Marshall." The ages and dates didn't line up either, but I figured I was missing something. Seems I was :)
I'd like to point out that it's possible that they might have had fake papers or changed their names to avoid detection (although, you'd think they'd have changed their names to a non-Chinese-sounding Asian name in that case, such as Japanese for example). Doesn't mean it was them, but it is something to keep in mind - ppl can and do lie, especially if they're trying to get to safety.
13:38 Actually Reagan never apologized to Japanese-Americans for their internment. I remember this because I'm SO DAMNED OLD. Anyway, G. H. W. Bush and Clinton did send letters of apology but Reagan never did. Reagan signed the legislation that gave the first official apology from the U.S. gov't (and reparations), but it was a Congressional apology that was given at that time; like I said, Bush I was the first president to apologize. Reagan was actually against the legislation and his Justice Department fought the effort to overturn the original United States Supreme Court decisions upholding the legality of the internment because he didn't want a precedent of reparation payments to be made during his presidency (and no reparations were paid until he was out of office). Reagan did call the internment a "grave wrong", and a "mistake", though, so he admitted that it was basically wrong, but he believed that "it's not for us today to pass judgment upon those who may have made mistakes while engaged in that great struggle." (referring to WWII) So--no apology. At the signing ceremony for the legislation, Reagan showed how much like Trump he was by relating an anecdote about a 1945 ceremony honoring a Japanese-American soldier named Kazuo Matsuda (whose name of course he mispronounced) who was KIA in Europe while his family was interned back in the U.S., talking about a speech HE had made at the ceremony.
P.S. In Oxhorn's defense, the 'apple pie' comment was obviously referring to the phrase "As American as Mom, Baseball, and Apple Pie". Do all of you millennials really not know that phrase (or just trolling?) However, the pronunciation of Natick is rightly condemned.
Anyway, sorry to be nitpicking, I actually enjoy the videos and appreciate the effort that goes into them, which is probably why the inaccuracies tend to be so irritating. Thanks
Thank you for the history lesson! Very interesting.
maddog the hog hunter. Can you tell me to die?
Replying a year later with another mistake by Oxhorn. Reparations weren't given to their decedents, i remember a story a story about a Japanese American whom was born in the camp and his brother was born afterwards. The older brother got paid, yet the younger did not. The US government knew if they waited longer that more of those directly involved would die and they'd have to pay less. Oxhorn makes it seem like Reagan was this good guy but he was really a big sack of shit honestly
maddog the hog hunter. Low effort trolling. Why do you even bother.
Such a gentleman, he returned that head at 10:00
I watch all your videos, and I think this is my top 10 favorite. That town confused me so much, and I actually went out looking for the family's skeletons, to no avail. Probably a good thing. I know it's just a game, but it's true to some parts of life in our world. Such a sad story!
I love one of your questions that you asked At the end of the video. That is; if we'll get to see more of this in future fallout titles. It is funny to me because when I first played fallout 4 one of the first complaints made to a friend was that I wanted to all the hysteria that happened before the bombs dropped. I think Bethesda really missed out on some opportunities to slow what life was really like. I wanted to see the Asian-Americans rounded up; the government/military taking power or even doomsday preppers raiding super duper marts. A better opening for me in fallout 4 would be walking around Boston or even Lexington and seeing all this madness unfold after returning from the military and before returning home to see the family. Or maybe even have one of these concentration camps in game and have the sole-survivor come here and have unique dialogue about it. Either way Fallout's America was an ugly America and one if really like to explore in future titles for sure. That way I can better understand why even after 200 years people prefer to live like it's the old wild wild West.
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#Mr.Pebbles
First cat in space
I'm so grateful for your videos I've played hours upon hours of fallout and there is still so much I haven't found in game
You are a great youtuber and I love your videos ! You put so much effort into them.
Dang.
I cried.
+20 points for using "hanged" correctly.
Hold up
omg oxhorn i love your theory and your speechs they're very touching and i love them this video was so good that i started crying during your explanation on the japanese american child
one thing im not sure if you found but at the south boston military checkpoint theres an entry about the military detaining the Wu family. Specifically a Michael, Jennifer (wife) and george Wu (son) as it states in the terminal. something i found while searching that area and hearing this in the background
I feel bad for Kim... He never made it to the best Korea.
Kim (Jong Un) for life! lol
Kristian Celarc That's fucked up. But I love it.
Kim before becoming Punished Kim and forming the North Korea PMC (colorized)
Agreed
Ox I love your videos but the lighting you have on the power armor makes it very hard to see anything on the screen.
I sometimes wonder how much the souls surviver knows about what the government and military was doing seeing as they were military/government, thats why they even get the space in vault 111 because of his service to the country
Hey Ox, there's a location near the treasure quest place and it's a military security thing with gunners in it. You find the Wu family was detained.
Kim Woo sounds like a Korean name... my guess is that the U.S. Government rounded up not only Chinese Americans, but also anyone who looked Asian... maybe I'm wrong. But it wouldn't surprise me if that happened.
During WWII the U.S. interred citizens with 1/16th Japanese ancestry, using census data to find them. The fictional pre-war government of Fallout is painted as worse....
I'm fairly sure that's a given, considering what's happening in real life with everyone who looks even remotely like they COULD be Muslim being called a terrorist.
Lonely Noodle *Kim Wu
I believe Kim Wu could be ether Chinese or Korean. If I'm not mistaken didn't Chinese and Korean share ideas to an extent? I could be wrong.
In Fallout world Korea is part of China
Little extra to the Wu story, in the south Boston military checkpoint, the Wu family gets detained, so yeah it doesn't end happy...
You find the end of the With story at one of the military check points. The terminal inside the trailer explains the rest. I won't spoil but this video filled in the apartment gap for me. Thanks.
Wu family*
Oxhorn, I haven’t watch you ever before five days ago and I haven’t watching anything since lol sir you are a poet. Your words can serenade sirens. Thank you, Sir.
"as former friends are watching, as they are rounded up one by one, times of persecution just begun!"
This is like the Anne Frank of Fallout 4
I think I found more to this story! In Fallout 4, at the South Boston Military Checkpoint there is a Robco terminal which has a Log Entry on the Wu family. I didn't see this on this video but I had watched it weeks ago and then quickly scrubbed through it just before post.
I 've been watching these fallout lore videos for a couple months ago and I love them they are so interesting