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DW Announces Wireless Electronic Drums: The DWe Drum Set (Edrum News)
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2022
- DWe drum set may be the first wireless electronic drum set, coming in 2023.
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If they are able to successfully pull this off, I can definitely see why Roland bought em out. Only thing is I’m pretty sure this kit is gonna cost like 10k or more but that’s kinda expected
Yeah I think I understand why Roland was so excited about them
I wouldn’t be surprised if was in the 15 to 17 K range. A normal DW shell pack is at least 5K all by itself. This is going to be a rich peoples toy IMO.
@@BurningHearts70 yeah that wouldn’t be surprising to me either lol
Considering DWs anniversary kit is marketed at 12k, I can imagine this will need me to take out a second mortgage.
@@f3rny_66 the dentists. That was the most accurate thing I’ve heard all day.
I hope Alesis and Yamaha and other electric drum manufacturers can commit to doing some really cool things at an extremely competitive price point. Once you start pricing me out of even dreaming about owning something, I’m rooting for the competition.
Alesis need the Strike Pro 2! 😁
@@Dyerdrummer maybe a Stroke Pro 3
Alesis E-kits are garbage.
@@chuckaudio3191 I’m playing always on Roland drums.czcams.com/video/FijqjDgzWIU/video.html&feature=shares
@@MegaTeostyle Roland is the best!
Good video, Justin. The market needs this innovation. Can't wait to learn more.
the market needs this innovation from someone who is not a subsidiary of roland
I agree. I commented on the announcement video this was going to drive two already expensive brands’ prices up. $10k? The thing needs to be completely and utterly problem free and fool proof. I just don’t see that a price tag like that is going to have mass appeal. They’re literally becoming like Disney is with ticket prices.
Brilliant review. Excellent start to my day. Love the well-researched, no BS information. Great job Justin.
I bet if this works out for DW the 3rd generation of this will be rad.
By the time I can afford to buy an electronic drum kit made by dw with all those bells and whistles that is quiet enough not to annoy anyone I could just buy a house, a studio, and all the gear I wanted.
That's true!
It really is a hobbyist trap, hands down. This will never be more worthwhile than the skills you learn from doing it with a real drum kit (playing/performing/recording).
For $10,000 you could definitely sound proof a room.
FACT
While this is absolutely true, I think the point of all of this is to enhance the versatility of acoustic drums as opposed to the feel of electronic drums.
I don't think this is really designed for the "bedroom" drummer.
Hey wow they still sound like electronic drums!
Right. And electronic drums sound lousy compared to acoustics, unless you’re using them for a specialty application like Neil Peart used to do.
Otherwise, it’s just a crappy version of an acoustic kit.
Very interesting, I wonder if Roland bought them because this seems like the only legit competitor to their VAD line. Can't beat them, buy them!!
I have a lot of questions about this. Aside from some cool features like the snare throw-off and the pitch bending, what else is there? First, I really don't mind wires. Wires are far less annoying than a trigger turning off in the middle of a set. Swapping batteries seems like a toy. I have a DW exotic acoustic kit. If they offered an acoustic conversion even if it's for DW only, I might consider it. But, I definitely would not buy a whole new E-drum kit just for a wireless feature unless it was in line with the shell pack pricing we see today. A 6-piece DW kit is already $7k. Last, I like to turn on my module and just play. I don't want to boot up a laptop and get it all going before I can play. Sure we can use a dedicated laptop but now we are adding $$$$. This is for the deep-pocket people and pro players IMHO. Just my $.02. P.S. I did a session with Thomas Lang a couple months ago and I saw one of these cymbals. They do look pretty interesting.
This going to be VERY expensive. I am going to guess close to 10k or even more. Concept is awesome hopefully someone can get this tech to the normal people.
I mean I think even higher. The anniversary kit they just announced is 12k. Can’t imagine that being cheaper than the edrum kit.
i have a hard time believing this kit will be anything less than $10k based on the hype alone. wireless feels like a giant leap forward. whether it operates as expected remains to be seen
We’re in a recession near collapse.
They’re on fucking meth.
@@360.Tapestry that’s why there’s absolutely no way I’d be convinced to get it. All proprietary and experimental with a price tag higher than any normal gigging drummer could afford? Hard pass for me.
Wow that’s really innovative. Trying to figure out the best way to trigger acoustic drums live to get away from mics love your channel.
Holy shit this is way beyond! Im so glad I am holding off on replacing my TD-50!
Another exciting vid. Wireless with no module. I hope this rock solid, will have to be tested in tour situations were there is a lot of electronic signals from the house and crowd. Hope it's affordable for regular folks!
30 inputs... Wireless. That's wicked. I've always wondered who was going to do this. I can imagine all of the pdp stuff going up in price. That dw kit may be around 20,000.
This could be a game changer, and im hoping for stability in rigorous environments, A.K.A touring.
As a guitar player as well, this situation reminds me of the Roland GR55.
Roland's current guitar synth is a GR55, and you have to use the sounds internally he GR55 module/brain. ( Unless you want horrible tracking).
In contrast, Fishman came out with the Fishman Triple Play, which is a bluetooth wireless guitar synth that syncs with a pc and with that, the whole would of VSTs and Kontakt sounds at your disposal.
What Fishman did was to take crown away from Roland as the best guitar synth on the market, and left Roland flat footed.
My guess is, Roland didn't want to see the same thing happen to their Roland drum line.
Calling this now. This will be a 10k plus drum set
Excellent video! This may set a new standard in Edrums!
Excellent analysis. Extremely informative given the limited info. Thanks man.
They should put mesh on the cymbals too on edrums to quiet the sound and better feel and you can have the sticks bounce off them too!
Interesting info. I was wondering what was coming. This is certainly where I come for this kind of news. Thank you sir. Excellent channel.
I've been searching for ages for an eDrum module that is designed to be MIDI only, aside from the module from Audiofront. I hope they offer the trigger set and module to retrofit to an existing kit. Seems like really well thought-out features designed for the acoustic drummer.
This is cool and all, but what this industry needs is more modules that sound really real. The tech is pretty much already there. It's about the SOUND of the drums.
Wow I used to watch this guy all the time look at him now
Nice video! About the wireless... As long as you use a midi protocol it's a serial language so no matter if it's via 5din or USB Bluetooth or wireless it's still can handle only 1 message at a time on each channel of the 16 midi channels that can be carried on 1 cable
The whole setup is pretty slick, and the trickle down affect would be cool. I do wonder how popular these would be, if they were in a lower price unit. People may just end up being wary of the batteries and interference, even when it is proven to be a non issue.
After seeing this kit yesterday in person and seeing how great look, performs and sounds, my biggest concern is the price $$ . This kit won’t be affordable I’m sure.
Sounded terrible in the demo's in this video.
Might be the recording but it sounded very artificial.
Just want to say thanks for putting in that 1987 era ad of Alex Acuna with Yamaha. It was a fun time back then.
I wasn't born in time to see that era, but it's fun to see what came before my time
I could TOTALLY see playing the kick, snare, and of COURSE real cymbals!
I MIGHT could enjoy the electronic toms...
of course the best thing to do would be to play the acoustic kit and then use the inbuilt triggers to taste!
Great video Justin and a really cool idea if DW can get this to work without issues (which I’m sure they will).
It appears to be a 'hybrid' e drum set. Part traditional and part electronic. Maybe with acoustic heads and e pickups, the sound can be better tuned and tailored. Will definitely want to keep eyes on this new product. With the digital interface and software on PC based laptops, the 'sound library' will allow even more sound choices. It is possible by the time it's released, there might be too many choices and end users will be confused and frustrated.
"recording drums is a ridiculously long and boring process"
Hey, I know all about that. I recently hired out a studio to multi sample my Tama Starclassic Maple kit, and after 2 days I was at my wit's end! Respect to all the Slate, Toontrack, BFD, GDD, Addictive drums (and anyone else that regularly does this kind of thing) because it definitely requires a certain mind set.
I love sampling live drums into .tci filesfor Slate Trigger… but my god is it tedious. And make sure you don’t mess up that transient, otherwise your hits timing will be inconsistent to no end.
Very interesting! I don't see how wireless pads will make sense for budget options if it adds to the cost significantly. Drummers shopping in the low and mid range want the best bang for their buck and I doubt they will sacrifice sounds, triggering, or pad size just to have fewer cables. Hopefully the triggering tech trickles down in wired form (if it is a lot cheaper the wireless)
I CAN'T WAIT to hear more about this! Seems like i got into the world of e-drums JUST the right time!
Hey- It's 2023 and the year is half way over- any news on this one???🤔🤔🤔😊
A transformable drum kit that can be Acoustic and Electronic. Yeah, 10K at least.
Agree, this looks and sounds intriguing ...... if they pull this off, I'd be tempted to dump my current setup and go all in with this? Wireless, great sounds (SD3 quality or at least between flagship e-drum brains and SD3 quality) and controlled via laptop! Sounds like a dream come true. Virtually a "normal drum kit" no wires (minimal anyways) with the versatility and customisation of a laptop brain with a huge number of inputs. If this is legit, it has the potential to revolutionise e-drums. I imagine it won't be cheap at all...... actually, pretty damn expensive, but I'll be watching very closely I think!
Mannn…this is really exciting! I live 10 mins away from the DW headquarters and this makes me wanna pop my head in!
Dang man, you're lucky! I'd have to spend an ungodly amount of money to attend this thing
@@65Drums well, if you’re ever out here, hit up my DM man and I could have you crash at my place👊🏻
@@SimonRileyDrums Thanks dude!!
Wireless e drums will be very interesting I can't wait to see it in proper next year.
@6:56 The guy that invented VersaTrigger, Paul Piscoi, worked on the DWe project and is on many of their patents. Effectivley, Paul's company went into stealth mode, closed shop, and Paul worked with DW to develop DWe. So it's not surprising that you compare VersaTrigger to DWe. It's basically the same core technology.
Well there go thoughts on buying a VAD 706 for Christmas. Interesting announcing just before Christmas. I'll wait till next year to make a decision.
I’m in the same boat exactly. I was literally just about to get the 507 but now I’m wondering if the prices are gonna get hammered after the DW release or if they will remain unaffected because it’s going to be 5 times more expensive?
Thank You Neil peart !!
As an alternative to wireless, and the traditional stereo 3.5-inch plug has anyone explored the idea of USB daisy-chained, so there is 1 trigger plug into the module rather than 10-15 3.5-inch plugs.
But this does sound interesting!
DW is the best drums in the world.. if DW does this it will blow out the drum world. The best of both worlds!
Oh man. I’ll be first in line to try that. I have two VAD kits and the cables make me crazy!!! Messy, more setup and strike and beer and other nasties getting on the cables makes cleanup unpleasant. 🧡🐳
I agree with the general theme of all the previous comments - this will be brilliant if they can pull it off successfully but will also likely be super-expensive. A couple of questions spring to mind though:
1. Since there will be no module, why oh why are they bothering to record/produce their own sound library? Surely it would make more sense and be much cheaper to partner with an established player in this field e.g. Toontrack, Steven Slate. Drummers could then purchase the sound library they prefer and the initial cost of the DWe kit could be (substantially?) reduced.
2. When using a laptop and software sound library, how do you get separate feeds for kick, snare, hats etc. to the mixing desk? (I realise this is a general question, not limited to the DWe kit).
I love that they are doing something new, and i think it is awesome. I don't like that Roland bought them because that means the tech will probably stagnate and hide under patents. Lastly, i think the "cables are such a pain" argument is very overblown. Spend a couple hours and come up with a good cable management system, then it's easy from there. I can set up my expanded strike pro from a pile of drums and hardware to sound check ready in about 15 minutes
Rickard Langnesund
Yeah, shit. Sitting here with my modest DTX900 triggering SD3. Makes me wonder what will come in the next 5 years? Drums and cymbals that are completely wireless and generate sounds all by themselves, without any latency. Now that would be a game changer.
Excellent
I recently picked up a Yamaha DTXtreme is and it has the little red knobs on the side of the drum pads to change the pitch (on toms) and the share and pitch on the Snare drum. I bought the kit for nostalgia (I once owned the kit for a very short time) but I am enjoying it very much. I agree with you that this could be really innovative and may even bring e-drums into a new phase altogether. I have to say however, that the idea of each component powered by AA batteries is concerning. Having grown up in the 70s I remember painfully the damage done when a battery is left in a device for too long and it begins to leak and corrode the battery box. That leads to the batteries no longer powering the unit, so I am not a fan of the AA battery idea.
It's gonna be lithium:d
I think the most exciting thing mentioned here is the work regarding latency & wireless connectivity.
Lol
Man, being able to buy a wireless trigger for my live kit would be AWESOME
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I Like the wireless comms but not the batteries.
There’s a reason most guitarist’s pedal boards are on power supplies and I’ve also seen my share of active pickup instruments go flat at the wrong time.
I would prefer an optional power lead to each trigger.
Good to see them pushing alternative ideas though.
Two AA batteries per drum/cymbal will last over a year for most drummers. That's nothing to worry about.
man so where can I watch this video demo? it seems DW has decided to hit the brakes on the announcement and made it private again?
‘shmooshing’ may not appear in the dictionary but it’s definitely a word I’ve also said before.
My first thought when I saw this kit was holy sh*t. This could be game changing stuff for the e-kit industry.
And second thought: "Well, I'll never be able to afford this. Rats!"
Don’t speak on my financial situation homie ;) also who would honestly benefit from this the most? Probably not me lol
When you look at what happened with DJ lighting (everything is wireless that used to be wired DMX), this seems like everything will go wireless soon. I mean, why not? Add a small 3” solar panel to each drum, and never replace the batteries either!
If I can find out more information on this kit to see if it will suit my purposes, I will purchase this kit!!!!
Love the videos!
for someone who wasn't in attendance, this was a very thorough rundown of all of my concerns
it seems to me that the most critical and innovative components here are just the pieces that would make it very easy for a regular drummer to convert an existing acoustic kit to a wireless electronic or hybrid kit
dw should've remained its own entity and give drummers a quality alternative to roland's price gouging. roland was content to milk its stale cash cow and then just buy out the competition
i imagine roland is determined to make this technology as proprietary as possible for as long as possible. so i expect replacement parts to be expensive, even though they seem to have a small and simple form factor. i also expect repairs to be difficult (sealed seems and fully enclosed), as to make drummers just shell out for new parts, instead
DW and roland are both gouging people.
@@bryanharrison3889 tis true! tis true! **cries uncontrollably**
I invented a wireless drum set about 16 years ago. I even had a rechargeable battery system that charged the batteries from the impact of the drum head, but i couldn't raise the funding enough to make a full prototype kit. I did, however, make a drum and a cymbal...
welcome to the future
If they are going to sell the wireless pads which I think is really cool and you have to use batteries, I really hope that they give you batteries. They should be included in the box
Lok
Given the price range that is to be expected from DW, the additional costs of a few AA batteries would be my very least concern to be frank. :-)
I would get rechargeable ones
It seems a lot of effort two mimic an acoustic kit, at what point is it just easier to get an acoustic kit?
Enjoy watching Chad Wackerman and Thomas Lang demo these kits, because that's as close as we're going to get to them.
I've played high end Roland kits. I own Alesis kits. I prefer all acoustic. No matter how much money you throw at electric they'll never be acoustic.
Side note.... 2 x AA batteries? Why not 3v coin cell lithium, battery? if the voltage draw is so low (They say 1 yr worth of battery life for AA's of normal drumming use) Then theoretically a 3v coin cell lithium would last years (and won't corrode) and save on space too in the units????
How true
Power, AA size batteries have a bigger capacity so they last longer.
There are no rechargeable versions of these unlike AA or AAA ;)
Such a great vid Justin. I will remain apprehensive about this product. Imagining it will also require a second mortgage to afford
My concern, other than price, is the volume. If these are based on real acoustic drums, part of the appeal of e-drums is lost.
This future release looks interesting, although, judging from my ears, they don' t sound that expressive. Wondering if it is the limitation of the drums, or maybe just that they haven't had a lot of time to develop a drum library with plenty of stacked velocities and round robins, which make edrums more expressive.
cant wait to see and play them in real life.
Hey guys! My question is not related to the topic of the video but: why people buy a Roland PD-140DS Snare pad (720 $) if you could buy acoustic snare. Replace head to Jobecky`s 3 ply and use integral 2-zone trigger. It will be cheaper and there is no difference in the sound because it is formed by the drum module. Am i wrong or just don`t understand something?
8:13 - If Roland bought DW, it's guaranteed to be as expensive as possible.
Damn I want this! Hopefully they'll make something in the $3k range
I wouldn't be surprised if DW launches the stupid expensive stuff first. And then mid range stuff will come later
3k? In our dreams, you know Roland. But as years go by, the inventors and competitors will make it a standard and more affordable. Fingers crossed. Rock on, make love.
Lol 3k!
Would be cool if they could offer a set without the cymbals for is hybrid guys. I have Zildjian K’s with my Roland drums and not going back to hitting rubber
Are you going to do the review of the Efnote 7x?
I couldn't find the millenium mps 1000 in your videos, what do you think about that set???. this is my favorite channel and you have all that knowledge!!!
I hope you can still play if your neighbour microwaves his tv dinner 🤣 Wireless has come a long way but i don't think it'll be as good as a normal wired kit. But i guess we'll know next year
Man you got that SM7B Sounding Great. Curious to know what your Signal Chain is?
If only neil peart was here to see this
Hey Justin, thank you again for your great work sharing your knowledge with all of us. Hey, I received a message from 65 Drums to day (though You Tube) saying it was 65 Drums and to DM you. Was that from you? Thanks so much, Tom Pollock
No it’s a scam
@@65Drums Thank you Justin. I was at work and busy and thought wow … maybe Justin saw a cover on my CZcams channel … ha. Man I fell for it. Thank you my friend. God Bless. Tom
Be great if there was a way you could just buy a kit and put them on your own drums.
you have a better chance of winning the lottery than this product being affordable
Yup
I don't know. There's a lot of 'hows' and 'whys' associated with this concept. In theory I can see potential, but I'm left with a lot of wondering how it could work practically, and more importantly, whether there's a big enough market for hybrid acoustic/electric drums. Most drummers either lean towards one or the other because of the style of music they play.
Hopefully we can covert the Roland VAD to wireless who knows.?.
In your video are more scences of the presentation where I don't find in the Original Video on the CZcams Channel of dw... Where is the video with all the live testings of the new electronic drum kit? Greetings from Germany and thanks a lot!
Anyone notice that Tom 2 and Tom 3 has the tone deepen when he pressed the stick into the head????
Wondering if the trigger heads and software will be available to install on currently owned acoustic kits like my Pearls
The latency thing doesn't make sense to me, unless they're referring to the voltage signal conversion to MIDI (which would be a separate thing from the actual wireless tech), and that they're going to be using something other than MIDI entirely, which would likely mean different software as well... still wouldn't technically speed up wireless transmission though, just processing.
I could be totally wrong about that but if so I'm fascinated to find out what's actually going on.
I'm worried that they will do the scam thing where they charge you to have access to the sample after you spend $10k on the kit, for their "library"
great vid as always. as for does roland need the wireless? No the cables are fine. I just want better cheaper kits that trigger better. also better out of the box superior drummer integration, yes its good but I feel it could still be a little easier. that being said I went from a td 17 to a td 27 last month and im extrememly happy.
Damn well I just bought an Alesis strike Pro SE. I had a Roland TD 20 it was nice but I couldn’t play with Samples like Superior. I kinda wish I waited now though I think dw could get close to the Alesis price. Oh well.
waiting for the latest electronic kit is a futile endeavor. You did the right thing. You can always sell the Alesis, but the DW price will likely be astronomical.
I watched the release on tech radar. Thomas Lang bought up a good point, no more having to deal with wires. If you've watched his channel on YT, its a pet peeve with him. Now the question is will Roland be selling wireless triggers for those us who can't afford a 10k DW kit ? :-D
Even with the acoustics set the mics on each drum head and cymbals with wires can be just as annoying. E drums with wires not so bad when plugged into the module and tucked neatly away. I think Wireless E drum by DW is a very positive prospect!
I’m using 2 td-30 modules to trigger everything I have I would sell them in a second for this
Weird question but the lighting on your face is amazing, how do you get it so clear?
He goes to great lengths to create/edit his videos. He covers a lot of this at the links below. Wish I had the time to do all of this! lol > czcams.com/video/H671b7lExa0/video.html and here > czcams.com/video/qqtX2m_y3p8/video.html
Man.....if this works........wow
It will be interesting too see where the drumming industry goes from here we are in some uncharted territories everyone watch this space!!🤯🙈🙉🙊
After living through over 40 years of electronic drums, I don't think they're ever going to get it right.
A roland TD50 or TD27 triggering Superior Drummer 3 is about the best we can do and it's pretty damn impressive but clunky to set up and plug everything in with an interface. But once done the playability is better than anything else. Still not acoustic but the HH works well and no machine gunning.