Are women bad at science?
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- čas přidán 23. 03. 2019
- If you scroll through lists of STEM faculty members at most universities, it's likely you'll recognize a pattern...that is, a lot of men and not very many women. Why is that? Are men inherently better than women at science? Or is there something else going on? Well strap in because we're about to find out!
National Girls Collaborative Project: ngcproject.org/
National Math and Science Initiative: www.nms.org/
Women In Engineering ProActive Network: www.wepan.org/
Million Women Mentors: www.millionwomenmentors.com/
American Association of University Women: www.aauw.org/
The Scientista Foundation: www.scientistafoundation.com/
Association for Women in Science: www.awis.org/
Shoutout to all the women who sent in videos to make the end of this video possible, including:
Jolyn Wirshing
Nahayvee Rosiles
Amy McKenna
Sheryl Hosler
Leanne Perez
Rachana Tank
Molly Edwards
Ana Pamela Chavarría
Elizabeth Leger
Julie Maryniak
Christine Mendelsohn
Christine Malone
Jennifer Endries
Jackie Heling
Kelley Stewart
Sources:
Neuro grads: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
STEM edu gender gap: europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcren...
Gender math abilities: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
STEM enrollment: edsource.org/2017/girls-now-o...
Ancient Chemists: www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/exhib...
Convents: server.fhp.uoregon.edu/dtu/sit...
Astronomy: www.hsu.edu/academicforum/200...
Maliva Meric: blogs.scientificamerican.com/...
Rosalind Franklin: profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retri...
Microsoft: news.microsoft.com/features/w...
Student bias: journals.plos.org/plosone/art...
Faculty bias: www.pnas.org/content/109/41/1...
LOR bias: www.sciencemag.org/careers/20...
Publication bias: theconversation.com/perish-not...
Funding bias: www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/...
Women leaving STEM after kids: www.nature.com/articles/d4158...
Childcare burden: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...
Diversity is good for STEM: www.spsnational.org/the-sps-o...
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Editing messup note: Starting at around 8:00, there's some weird stuff going on and the voice pitch shift is super delayed. Not really sure what happened here. It sounded perfect on the pre-render. Oh well! The second line is supposed to say, "Who cares if there are women in STEM?"
Probably best to pin before this is lost in the sea of comments :)
@@shedokan Oh whoops, thought it was pinned! Thanks for the heads up!
@@neurotransmissions only feminist should have huge iq
Max von Laue announced his discovery of X-ray diffraction
Complaining about White men inventing everything is not going to help you
Thanks for this well-researched video! It comes at such an important time of change.
Here's another reference you might find interesting: MacNell, L., Driscoll, A., & Hunt, A. N. (2015). What’s in a name: Exposing gender bias in student ratings of teaching. Innovative Higher Education, 40(4), 291-303.
Essentially, students taking an online class were led to believe that their instructor was either a man or a woman. The students never met the instructor in person, and only engaged via written text. One male instructor and one female instructor were both responsible for one group of students that believed the instructor to be their actual gender identity, and taught a second group of students that thought that their instructor was the other instructor's gender identity. In other words, four sections of students were taught by two instructors, but half of the students were deceived into thinking they were being taught by the opposite instructor as indicated by the name of the person critiquing their discussion posts and online assignments. Disturbingly, when the instructor was perceived as female, the ratings were numerically lower, even when the male was actually the true instructor. This clever experimental design isolated bias as the only explanation for this outcome, due to the full-crossed and blinded nature of the study.
This is a fantastic study. Thanks for sharing it, Art!
Even if boys did better than girls at math, that still doesn't prove it's innate, it could just as well be learned helplessness or less effort put into girls' math tutoring or literally a million other things.
Wonderful video. My faculty advisor in grad school was the only woman in the microbiology department and in my mind the sharpest of the bunch! After years of unsuccessful attempts to obtain tenure, she finally quit and went to work in a big pharmaceutical company-better pay and prestige but academia’s loss! One of my favorite scientists is Lise Meitner. She, working with Otto Hahn, in an all male university discovered nuclear fission. As a Jew, she had to leave Germany before the Nazis took her. Hahn won the Nobel. She lived as a stateless person for the rest of her life!
Have you read Inferior by Angela Saini? I would really recommend it, especially to any blokes reading this! It helped me understand the problem so much better than the superficial understanding I had before. Just like this video it's not trying to score woke points it's just rational, concise, scientific and thought provoking. Also like this video!
Thanks I will take a look. On the other hand there is a really good book called "Why men earn more" which I recommend
Its been weird for me because I grew up in a family where my father and one of my older brothers were very firmly STEM people. And as I got older I had my interest in science encouraged by people around me and since it was something told me I was good at and I admired my brother greatly I ended up naturally gravitating towards it.
Then I ended up in a STEM program in high school and it never really occurred to me this wasn’t a female dominated field. Like in the path of my life with my interest it just seemed like the natural conclusion. Even though I haven’t completed high school I am pretty sure I will be going into a STEM career. Science fascinates me and I’ve had the luck to had many STEM interested female friends and have good STEM female role models.
It frustrated me to learn about how historically female roles in scientific discoveries were ignored :p just as a warning I wrote this comment before watching the video to give an uninfluenced view. If I have anything to add I’ll probably just add it as a comment to my comment!
Woman like you really inspire us young girls to understand the depths and beauty of science ,thank you 💕💫
The topic is extremely important and wide-spread and has to do with the general perception of women. I was top of my class in a STEM high school and thought of doing medicine like both my parents and 3/4 grandparents, but ended up choosing a linguistics BA instead. It is such a weird limbo where in a way I sometimes feel like a traitor because I could have chosen STEM instead but didn't, and am now in a field which is seen as "feminine" and not as important by many.
(But I also come from a country where there are more women researchers in STEM than men.)
It’s my first semester in an associates in science going into a fast paced mechanical engineering degree, I’m the only girl in my year and one of 2 that are currently enrolled in my major. I thought with all of the STEM emphasis I had grown to love in my early education, my demographic would be more represented. I felt very pressured to go into chemical engineering which is much more diversified. It feels really isolating at times. I can’t really explain to my all male friend group that I’m being quieter or tired that I’m on the decline of a monthly hormonal rollercoaster, like I used to be able to speak openly about with my high school friends. I’ve dealt with sexist jokes, teachers not hearing when I answer a question and my neighbor repeating it only to get commended, and being repeatedly interrupted and then being questioned as to why I feel the need to repeat myself ( the last being by far the most frustrating). But the best thing I think I’ve done for myself is demanding a voice during group work, holding onto what I’ve grow to love about myself (including my femininity), and finding a group of peers that are serious about their education. I still have frustrations, but my hope is that if I can demand to be seen as an equal maybe another girl won’t have to.
I’m really sorry you had to deal with that..would you say it was an unpleasant experience as a whole?
It is frustrating at times but the work and research I get to do and the passion I have for the field is what pushes me. I would never hold the unpleasant experiences I have had with people against the positive experiences I have had in my education.
I'm glad i am a man.
So, basically women don't venture into STEM because we have so many stereotypes that degrade women. Thanks for bringing this to light!
A much bigger factor is women are more interested in people and men are more interested in things.
An equal paternity leave for whichever parent chooses (or shared between them) might help with the issue of women quitting research or careers in order to care for children, which has been shown to be a big factor in the gender wage gap. In Japan this is a huge issue as a huge proportion of women quit their job after having a child, I forget now the numbers but it was something huge like 80-90%.
9 months of pregnancy and then have an equal paternity leave? Because men breast feed too? Are you sure you want that?
@@alsayedjalal Don't be daft. First, there's formula (even though there is a shortage right now) and yes, I want men to have equal responsibility over their kids, who wouldn't want that?
@@Stettafire and men cannot breastfeed and mother's milk is best for baby... So?
Thank you for covering a tricky topic so easily loaded with assumptions, and providing some research-driven clarity.
This is an awesome video Alie. Once again backed with a /ton/ of peer reviewed sources
I wanted to be a scientist - one of my earliest role models was Maria Sklodovska Curie. When I went to a local suburban college, I signed up as a physics major. (I wanted to go to MIT, but they only accepted ten women students every year, and I didn't make the cut.) They had never had a woman major in physics before; so the chairman of the Physics Department became my faculty advisor. I started to have some personal difficulties during my third semester (in 1965), and I asked my advisor what I should do. He said, and I quote: "You should drop out of physics, change your major to elementary education, find a nice young man, get married, and have babies." I never did become a scientist... :-(
❤ Thank you, thank you, thank you for at least mentioning Marie Curie's name. The only woman to have won two Nobel prizes, in two different disciplines! ❤
It's some sad shit, that we're still treating women as 2nd class citizens.
What an excellent look at an important topic! Thanks for putting this together!
Loved the video! Great work!
I think it is not only in STEM that women seem to be vastly underrepresented (following the common "girls are bad at math" idea that seems pervasive in Western culture at least). But many, if not most, prestigious and creative positions, including writers, politicians and artists (at least those that seem to be remembered and aknowledged in history - and history is written by people that can certainly prove to be biased). I think this could be due to a combination of factors : as you said, our gender seems to be constantly undervalued across fields, and the weight of motherhood is bears heavily on our shoulders. But, anecdotally (I ignore was the research says on this topic), my impression is that we often fall prey to stereotype-threat and many of us feel extremely self-conscious speaking up, particularly in front of our male peers (out of fear of error, or looking "unfeminine" when contradicting a male colleague).
I have witnessed this personally countless times as a student : usually, female peers stating brilliant points in a weak voice, and assertive, not-so-insightful male peers being aknowledged and validated by (mostly male) professors over their female counterpart. I have even seen women professors that were absolute experts in their field getting (rudely and wrongly) 'corrected' by male students. This is not to say that it doesn't happen the other way around, but I noticed a trend : maybe some day statistical data will describe (or disprove) this more accurately. Of course, there are countless incredibly intelligent men in academia that deserve all their success based on their hard work, and good for them. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the way academia looks like is also, to some degree, dependent on the kind of social experiences and interactions that we undergo on a daily basis.
Also, I've noticed that people (and, no without disrespect, people that are in no way, shape or form experts or even educated in the relevant fields) jump to the conclusion that it must be due to lower female intelligence - that oh-so-old biological basis argument. As a woman, and as most of us believe, facts don't care about our feelings, indeed : and I am unaware of serious studies on intelligence (a concept that is still under debate) that strongly support this idea. I find it quite rudimentary to so blatantly exclude the hypothesis that social (and thus cognitive) experience shapes the workplace structure, gender wise. It's a bit suspect to me that positions socially recognized as positions of power tend to be held mostly by men : are we really sure that they require cognitive abilities in which men happen to excel ? Our generation is responsible for putting in some more critical thinking and research into this. We might even see a surprising shift in the near future. Just my two cents. Great video :).
I am so sad that I was SURPRISED that the dislikes ratio weren't bigger. Men just need to chill.
Congratulations on your video by the way, you are such an icon
Also...
"Science is objective, doesn't matter who looks at it"
Yeah! So why not have more people looking at problems, like, idk, people from both genders instead of just one?!?!
Great video. I hope more girls get to where you managed to, and further!
Awesome video! Thanks!
Agreed that women are not any worse than men at science, though I think it doesn't emphasise enough the historical/cultural angle of why women are not well-represented in much scientific literature. A big part of it has to do with the fact that for centuries (particularly in the "West" and the Middle East), religion used to play a big role in shaping gender roles and organising society, which meant that many if not most women were culturally nudged (if not forced) into being full-time mothers, wives and caregivers, which means contemporary women (even though they don't have the same cultural pressures as 15th-century women) don't have that many historical female role-models to be inspired by.
Also, due to the fact that there are and there have always been more men in faculty positions (for the aforementioned reasons), it is easier for boys to find a contemporary role-model (maybe even someone they know personally) that they'd like to be when they grow up. Empathy does play a role there as well, as many (mostly male) faculty staff will often be more helpful towards students that they can relate to and perhaps may even recognise their former selves in, potentially leading to better reference letters. They're only human after all, so I don't think any amount of gender sensitivity training will ever change that.
Lastly, while I agree that this situation is unfair for many women and girls who have made up their minds and would like a career in science, I don't think it warrants telling women and girls to be more interested in science or other male-dominated fields just for the sake of equality, I'd rather women, girls, men and boys to just pursue their interests as they see them, and try to raise their self-confidence so that they don't make decisions based on intimidation.
My experience in STEM (specifically computer science) is that there are a lot less women. The result is obviously that most of the top (and bottom) of the class are male. I've definitely seen a few amazing women in STEM but I've seen more amazing men simply because there were more men.
Bravo! Such an important video.
"Where the ladies at?" & "These dudes" haha that is kinda funny considering you talking about great scientists. Enjoyable video!
Am so glad I found your channel, I've several young nieces and nephews and am always on the look out for quality educational channels that are inclusive and evidence based. I really liked this video and that you also did not forget about other social identities that intersect with gender (as the aforementioned children are indigenous). I look forward to watching the rest of your content with them. Thank you, and solidarity, sister.
"Are women bad at science?" No.
Well, statistical _averages_ may tell a different story, but these don't seem to be created by a lack of _capability_ (as you can tell by all the counter examples) but rather social/cultural factors.
I remember once reading about Exposure therapy, and one of the first psychologists to use this technique successfully was a woman. Sadly, I can't find her name, and all I get is about J Wolpe.
@0:26 seriously? Freud and Jung were famous, but not scientists.
Huh, interesting. I actually had never heard that before! If you find her name, I'd love to know more.
As for Freud and Jung, they definitely were scientists. Both studied medicine, both were psychiatrists and neurologists. They contributed hugely to the field of psychology through their research. Obviously, they put forward a few questionable theories, but in their time they were scientists in every sense of the word! ...that is, unless you don't consider psychology a science, which is a whole other discussion.
@@neurotransmissions I'll continue looking for that info... If I find anything, I'll let you know :)
I am always wondering how many female Newtons and Galileo's we have missed...
I love STEM and I wish I could be working on physics right now, but unfortunately that's not the way my life worked out. Although if I ever get a 2nd chance to go into the sciences, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
For centuries there have been assumptions of one gender being better than the other in loads of things. “Women are better at parenting.” “Men are better at business.” “Women are better cooks.” “Men are better chefs.” (Oh the irony of that pairing.) My mother was told that women couldn’t be effective in the business world and have children. In my career, it was often assumed I knew less about my technology than men with less experience. I’ve not seen one study that supports the idea of one gender being “better” than another in anything except the concept that women are biologically more capable of multi-tasking with a basis in evolution.
I love how you explored this dichotomy in STEM, and I think it’s pervasive throughout many industries and areas of study. As women we shouldn’t have to fight harder to get our ideas expressed or our opinions heard. I’ve seen it all my life and while it is getting somewhat better, we still have a long way to go. If we as women work to hold each other up and find more ways to collaborate and even network across fields and industries, our combined strength might help get the ball started by our early trail-blazing sisters rolling faster and faster and growing along the way. The question is, what’s the best way in which to foster this and actually make it happen?
It's about time we stop idolizing Freud. His "theory" was complete BS, and his methodology was no better. He probably did more harm than good for psychology.
I remember my sister telling me about her math teacher who told her that she was a stupid bitch and was never going to amount to anything in her life, when she was 11. I wonder how many women didn't become brilliant scientists because of him...
This was really enlightening. I'veaways assumed women just weren't interested in STEM, so I'll definitely be taking a look at your references. Thanks for talking about this!
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From Google AI Bard:
should we change education to be more fair for men
Yes, we should change education to be more fair for men. There are a number of ways to do this, including:
Addressing the gender gap in reading and writing: Boys are more likely to struggle with reading and writing than girls. This is due to a number of factors, including the way that schools are structured and the way that teachers teach. We need to find ways to address this gap and ensure that all students, regardless of gender, have the opportunity to succeed in reading and writing.
Encouraging more boys to pursue STEM careers: Boys are less likely than girls to pursue careers in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM). This is due to a number of factors, including the way that STEM is taught and the way that STEM careers are portrayed in the media. We need to find ways to encourage more boys to pursue STEM careers and ensure that they have the skills and knowledge they need to succeed.
Providing more male role models in education: Boys need positive role models in education. This is especially true for boys who are struggling in school or who come from disadvantaged backgrounds. We need to find ways to provide more male role models in education and ensure that all boys have the opportunity to connect with a positive male role model.
By taking these steps, we can make education more fair for men and ensure that all students, regardless of gender, have the opportunity to succeed.
My girlfriend told me that she was 100% into what we call "maths Olympics" which is a (at least) Nation wide math test, but may be international.
She and a couple of boys would sign up. All but one of the times she was the only one to make it to national, and the only time complimentary classes were given, was the time a boy managed to go to Nationals as well.
Of course, it's not always like this, but both of us dealt with sexist maths teachers and I think that's probably part of the reason why girls tend to not pursue STEM careers.
She's majoring math now, though, so TAKE THAT STUPID TEACHER!
Also, great video!
I totally agree with you
But I just wanna ask one thing
Hypothetically speaking
If someone (any gender) discovers something in space using a telescope and they get a noble prize
So should they say that we wouldn't get this noble if Galileo didn't invent the telescope
Not sure about the white dominance in biology, but in electrical engineering, I find it's mostly Indians and other Asians.
In India, the most ancient philosophical and scientific works dealing with universe & human evolution r considered to be upnishads.
Many of the authors & imp. characters of these upnishads were women like Gargi who challenged polymath like Yajnavalkya in philosophical debates & held even. (Although if anybody is ever interested in reading those books he or she shud stay away from translation by a western sanskrit 'expert' or 'indologist' regardless of his or her gender..😂)
Even today women seem to do quite good in Biological sciences field without any specific encouragement in that direction. It is in STEM fields that the number of women is less but there r many fields of study like sociology, pol. science, psychology where the no. of men is also less.
We thank you for speaking for woman
Betteridge's Law?
Some are, Some arent ... just like men.
Marie Curie
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In short: Need more and compulsary ethics education. Need better and robust processes as already mentioned in this video. Optionally, understanding evolution and history of gender roles in various cultures can explain about biases and help design ways to remove biases.
Pretty much all of earlier part was extremely convincing.
However I feel some logical fallacies creeped in at czcams.com/video/kUlQ9YIuPfc/video.html The narrative that "science is objective" should be held. Otherwise we're digging our own grave and giving conspirators chance to create noise.
What the countering arguments really explained about was the biases in decisions about chosing about which work and which researchers to fund, manual individual processes like reviews and any political, propoganda influenced or personals favourites affecting the processes, fan following of the famous. This problem does affect in EVERY field and not only science research. Let's focus on the betterment of the existing processes, as you already mentioned- like blind peer reviews, including more robust and inclusive process.
Each culture is different. What you explained seems fit for US white dominated cultures. This is just a reminder that rest of the world has different culture, which you may not have thought through.
There are a lot of areas where men are lagging behind. There are no active programs to improve their participations there. Stay at home dads are not given any systemic support, forget about creating any policies there. Please don't get me wrong, this point is only intended to ensure that our focus should stay on ethics education and ensuring robust ethical policies are implemented.
I agree that earlier historic scientific societies had biases about gender and other aspects. However, science research has been more of individual and small team effort, which should have made it such biases ineffictive. But the rest of the political and individual biases made things worse. I believe historically such people were somewhere affected by their adverse experiences in other areas of their lives, where they were not able to get their due credit. As as scientific view, we all should learn to uphold the ethical posititions and keep improving to remove the biases from the processes.
I've got four white, straight (as far as I know,) teenage boys. All four of them are looking into STEM careers. Videos like this help me ensure that they recognize their privilege. My hope is that they use this info to become better allies to their friends, classmates, and coworkers in the future. Thank you!
It's folks like you that are going to implement change. Thank you for being an ally and for being a good role model for your sons. 😊
Is a robot even really objective?
Clear and well supported explanation of common misconceptions and cultural biases that affect women and other minorities in Science. I also like the optimistic view on the future, if you'd like to contribute, see the resources at metoostem.com/take-action/
As a sexual minority asian stem student, thank you for bringing up this topic.
Asians invented nothing maybe the crossbow?
"and boys tend to underestimate their female classmates' academic abilities in STEM classrooms"
I know I did. The few times I was partnered with the girls for group projects in my CS program, they were absolutely airheaded, enrolled because there are scholarships galore for prospective women in CS, and they tended to expect me to pull more than my fair share of the weight in the project. I started assuming it, despite fighting the urge, after #3 was more of the same. No one hates it more than me though, trust. No one wants more women in STEM than the lonely hordes of men who are interested in STEM.
The sausage fest problem is real. Grad student parties in Physics are like 10 to 1 male to female. The problem with the females is they gravitate towards the more popular crowd and other females and become hive minded, while men will cut in line to talk to females as if they aren't stepping on anyone's toes. That leaves serious lone wolf scientists like us, whom are the best scientists, incels.
@@cryora idk about loners being any better at science, but yeah, it does force a lot of people to either be single when they'd rather not, or to seek a partner elsewhere, for much extra effort - and to be doomed to probably never have a life partner who shares their passions. It's doable, and it's not like you can't be with someone who's a very different person than you are, but it shouldn't have to be that way if you'd rather it wasn't.
@@WhompingWalrus This whole MeToo movement doesn't make it any better either. It's just another tool a person can use to ruin another persons career and get rid of competition, just like what we're seeing in politics. There's enough posturing and misrepresentation in science.
@@cryora Why are you calling it a movement. People did it before and they'll continue to do it like they've done for the last 10 thousand years.
@@cryora absolutely METOO is tool of feminists to remove their male rivals out of the competition_
At least in France, there are also male researchers/uni people who harass/require sex of women in exchange of obtaining their doctorate or a job.
I have no idea how often it happens however.
How about doing away with the "Tenure Clock" entirely.
I am not sure I understand it, but it seems horrific.
Keep capitalism out of science, please.
@@humanrightsadvocate Good luck trying not to try!
@@humanrightsadvocate Burn!
Good explanation and review of the history of woman in STEM. The point of view and data presented in this video conforms to the ideology and experience of woman that I've talked to. However, as mention at the end of the video, perspective can naturally be a little skewed by the gender that is making the research/video. That said, a point that is rarely mention is the extreme insecurity of a university career, in addition to the high competitive nature of the actual scientific processes, which makes people work day, night and weekend. Most people on a academic career path are man and most of them (70 to 80%) will fail to get an academic position. Most of those people will find another job, which they will most likely be overqualified and underpaid. Thus, the modern problematic should be more focus on how to make the scientific career better for all. Thanks for you attention.
"Boys tend to do better than girls at math" you sure there...? 😅
Arguably Marie Curie is the greatest scientist of all time, being the only person to win two Nobel prizes in separate fields, and she wasn't even mentioned.
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Women have much burden in their life.. :(
science is not toy for your games.
Indeed not, and our lives are not toys for men either
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@Peter Youg true
Are you a boy or a girl?
Stop lying