Kia EV6 Vehicle to Load Tested & Explained
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- I tested the Kia EV6 Vehicle-to-Load (aka V2L) with several appliances and electronic devices. What happens if you exceed the power limit? How do you reset the V2L and AC outlet? Can you use the V2L port at the same time as the interior 110V AC outlet? All of these things and more are shown in this video and should also apply to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 V2L feature since they are essentially the same, technologically speaking.
***IMPORTANT NOTE: When I mention buying the V2L adapter on the Kia and Hyundai Canada Website, I meant at the dealership. Prices mentioned were based on Facebook posts from people in Canada who bought the Hyundai V2L adapter at a dealership. Also to note, you should call multiple dealers because some say it is not stock, but others have the adapter in inventory; this is also based on some user anecdotes.
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00:00 Intro
00:27 V2L Included… Sort of
01:02 Where is it stored?
01:39 Make V2L work
03:02 Hair dryer test
03:12 Kettle test
04:02 Nespresso & milk frother test
05:15 Four slice toaster test
06:12 Toaster and Kettle test
07:07 How to reset the V2L
07:44 Toaster and Nespresso test
08:48 Charge a Soul EV from the EV6
10:07 Outdoor home theatre
11:07 An extra 110V outlet
12:58 Nespresso on V2L and Frother inside the EV6
14:40 Limit the V2L power drain
15:30 What I discovered
17:19 What is the power limit?
17:55 V2L adapter detail
18:35 How many subscribers?!?!
19:23 Bloopers - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Brilliant video. I can imagine a lot of frustration trying to work out the logic of the V2L and the internal socket so I appreciate you going through the trouble so we don't have to.
Thank you very much, I am glad I could help. It was a pain and a bigger job than anticipated, but that is how it goes 😎
I love these short and to-the-point 10s videos! They provide so much info in such a short time :D
I am glad you liked it. Thank you for watching I appreciate it.
@@EV-olution oh I liked your content and subbed too!
Thank you very much!
Excellent review monsieur EV. I had to try the V2L yesterday as the electricity was out for many hours and we needed to fry shrimps on an electric grill. I was impressed and so happy to have that outstanding feature.
Merci beaucoup M Poirier. Je croyais que ça serait un gadget mais sa s'avère très utile.
👏👏👏👏 The most comprehensive review of the V2L system that I have ever seen 👍👍👍
I am glad you liked it and appreciate the comment. Thank you.
Great video as always, I bet your channel will gain a lot of new subscribers now when making videos of another great vehicle.
Thank you very much, and I hope so. When my channel is bigger manufacturers will take me more seriously and let me have cars to make videos about. Right now I only have Polestar and Kia, with Ford supposedly adding me to their list. Thanks again.
André Laurence, thank you so much for your videos on the Kia EV6, V2L. Great job on all of that! It really helps those of us with RV’s see we are slowly getting to the place with EV cars and trucks to eventually power the RVs for days of dry camping. Even the RVs are slowly heading in the electric mode and eventually will help increase the driving range. Your overload reset tests are good to know nothing in the EV6 will be destroyed just need resetting. If we are doing one or two things at time, we can do most of what we need. The trucks like Ford F150 EV and Chevy Silverado EV will do more and still a learning curve there too. You are also showing us how to successfully create and share CZcams videos with helpful information in a format that many people really appreciate, as seen in their replies to you. Great job on that as it’s not an easy formula to find, and you have found the formula and doing a great job at it!
Thank you very much, I am glad you found my video helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment.
Thanks for all your hard work. Kia should pay you for such great explanation :)
Great video, the filming and explanations are really clear. It's gonna be really helpful for Kia or Hyundai car owners who want to use V2L.
Thank you very much.
thank you very much. ve been thinking about living offgrid in a camper and use the ev6 as power to charge the batteries in the camper all the power u want plus all the miles u wanna drive for only 625dkr. about 90dollars. very nice. great video answers all of my questiones.
Thank you very much, I am glad I could help. An important thing to note for the European EV6 with the 240V V2L, is that if you use the V2L it disables the inside AC outlet.
Have asked KIA if V2G will be an option. Watched a similar video from a CZcamsr in the UK and they were able to power so much more at once. Keep up the good work and the bloopers at the end for a laugh.
V2G is another beast entirely. Hyundai is working on new hardware and software for the Ioniq 5 so I doubt V2G will be possible in older cars.
Great information! Thanks for this!
I eagerly await my own EV6
Thank you and it is worth being patient for 😎
Again a very interesting video. This V2L tech is awesome.
Thank you very much. I agree it is pretty amazing. Some people have used it to help others during the power outages caused by storms in Ontario.
Let me start by saying I really appreciate your videos and that you share the out takes, it demonstrates that time and effort that goes into making a video that appears flawless. So, after experiencing 45 hours of no electricity due to our recent ice storm ( I’m in the Laval area) I’m curious just how efficient the v2l would be to power some of the essentials ie fridge, freezer, small heater, etc…were you in a similar position or have you had the chance to try this?
I am glad you like my videos and yes, they do take a fair amount of time to make. Not everyone realizes that so I appreciate your comment. As for the V2L, I was fortunate where I did not lose power so I did not need to run anything on it. If I was required to do so, I would have plugged in my main refrigerator first to get it past the initial power draw, then I would have tried the second refrigerator to see if the overall load was more than 1900W. I think 2 refrigerators would work if connected with a delay between the two, but it will depend on the age and type, and have to be tested to really know. Once up and running I would expect them to run for 2 or 3 days without issue.
Nice, love your "process" of testing....
Thank you very much. This was supposed to be a quick and easy video... It wasn't 😎
@@EV-olution I think that you and I think the same way, "old school". And sometimes it isn't quick and easy... I am retired and the only miles we really put on a car are to travel from Colorado to Washington State to see the grandkids. It's a bit too far, about a thousand miles, to do in an electric vehicle at this point in my opinion. Especially when we have the dog with us and with hotel rates, we need to make sure we just spend one night on the road. But I am certainly interested in the topic especially Hyundai and kias which I have had for about 20 years. Have a 2021 Kia Seltos and a 2016 Kia Soul now but I am monitoring the elec car situation and your videos have been helpful.
@@douglastaylor999 I am glad I could be of help and thank you for taking the time to watch my video, I appreciate it.
Brilliantly presented and thanks . The cars passing wouldn't bother most people, your reaction is funny though 😅
Thank you very much. I prefer to not have cars or noises in the background because when the editing is done it makes things easier and avoids losing clips that could have otherwise been used 😎
Hi mate just changed my rear bulbs (your diesel leds video on your niro) over to the brilliant leds you fitted. I had to get them shipped by MyUSA to the UK and they give a see and be seen ability to the niro missing with the standard bulbs. Cheers
Glad I could help. They are really bright and I loved them. They were still going strong when I sold my Niro EV. Thanks for watching.
V2L is a must have feature that every electric car should have.
Thanks for the video!
At the beginning, you mention that if you've got the GT Pack 1 or lower, you'll need to buy the adapter to use V2L. I just want to make sure I'm super clear on that. I'm considering an EV6, but feel I'm being forced to get Pack 2 so that I can get V2L functionality. Do the other trim levels have the circuitry and software in place, just not the adapter? Can I buy a lower level trim, get the adapter separately, and get V2L functionality?
From what I have read, all EV6 trims have the ability to do V2L, but in Canada the trims that are below the GT Line Pack 2 do not include the adapter so you have to buy it.
Just an FYI in case you were not aware, there are several differences between the Pack 1 and Pack 2, not just the missing V2L adapter.
Pack 1 has:
- 19" Wheels instead of 20"
- Manual door handles, not automatic
- No sunroof
- 6 speaker sound system instead of Meridian 14 speaker with sub
- Missing active sound design
- Synthetic leather seats
- No HUD
- No V2L adapter
- No heated rear seats
- No cooled front seats
- No cargo cover
I hope this helps.
@@EV-olution Super helpful, thank you! I found their website is clear on the differences between the trim levels, _except for_ the V2L capabilities. It makes it seem like only the highest trim has the capabilities for V2L.
Great video! My car also looks exactly like yours except mine is the wind model in the USA
Thank you, and great choice 😎
Thanks for the info. This could be very useful with a power outage at home. Maybe it eliminates the need for a separate generator? Need to keep the battery almost full.
The power output in North America is limited at 1.9kW and 15A, but it could prove very useful in a power outage. It could run a refrigerator for a very long time 😎
Great Video. Thank you!
Thank you very much! I am glad you liked it 😎
Awesome explanation and test. Ev6 is high in my list of ev to get.
Do you know if v2L works on lower trim?
Thank you very much. Yes, V2L is a feature on all trim levels, but depending on the country you are in, you may need to purchase the V2L pistol.
@@EV-olution its confusing when it says lower trims do no include the, "Iluminated Charge Port with Onboard Power Generator Port".
@@JonathanRootDI agree, it is not very clear and I think that is on purpose. On the Kia Canada site the EV6 GT Line Pack 2 (like mine) shows V2L as an included technology option, but the Pack 1 does not, and I know for a fact that the Pack 1 has V2L capability because of other owners who have bought the adapter. I am not sure about the US, but I am fairly confident that Kia did not go to the trouble of removing the V2L technology that is deeply integrated in the charging and battery infrastructure of the vehicle, for lower trims.
Great video. I was thinking of purchasing a VTL adapter but after watching this video I am not really sure what the point would be. If there is a 110 plug inside car why not just use that only, or am I not seeing a problem that I may have doing this?
Thank you very much. Sometimes you want the power outside, when camping as an example, and you want to keep the doors and windows closed, but the biggest benefit is the fact that the V2L works even when the car is off; the inside 110V outlet requires the car be powered on to work.
At the end there I could almost see an AA gun popping out of your car 😂😂😂
Love you're video's man 🍻
😂🤣 thank you very much, I appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos.
Great video! Do you think that the inverter is pure sine wave?! Does anyone knows something about it?
Thx
Thank you very much. I don't know if it is pure sine wave and I doubt I will get a proper answer from Kia Canada since they have not been able to answer far more simple questions I have asked in the past.
Hi André, great vidéo as always....
Merci Michel.
@@EV-olution André, forgot to ask you can you tow with the EV-6 ?
Yes, in Canada it tows up to 2300lbs
@@EV-olution Good tanks for the info
Ça me fait plaisir et bonne soirée
Nice video. V2H or V2G wll attract many, many people. Should be possible with a smart power distributer in the house.
Thank you very much. I think it is a great feature to have. I hope that V2H becomes standard in all EVs in the future, I would love to have that.
@@EV-olution my EV6 will arrive in august
I would likely assume that double insulated devices (eg no grounding pin) are best used as the vehicle battery is insulated by the rubber tires.
It would be interesting to confirm if the V2L receptacle has a GFCI trip circuit?
According to Kia you should not use the V2L adapter in wet conditions, so no, not GFI.
I’m a little “shocked” that they would not do that! I would have some concerns without a GFCI circuit as any device circuit could lose insulation and become dangerous. Nonetheless it’s no more an issue than using a portable generator at a job site?
Thanks for the reply, I enjoy your channel.
@@ralphguppy my pleasure and thank you for watching, I really appreciate it.
thanks, good video. can you charge the car and at the same time use the plug inside the car? greetings
Thank you very much. The inside AC outlet only works when the car is on. If you are charging then you would need to turn on the car, which will use power and reduce charging speed, and the power outlet should work, but I have not tested that scenario.
Do you think with a inverter and solar panels you can recharge your car? Or a battery pack like a jackery thanks .
If you have solar panels, a battery storage device, and the required hardware, then you could use that setup to charge any car.
Thanks for sharing. I have the same car. I have an appointment with the dealer in Brossard. Due to random error. Check the electrical system.
Is yours blue?
@@EV-olution it's black
@@Xavwar I am sorry to hear that you are having issues. I hope it is something simple and that it gets fixed quickly so you get to enjoy it.
@@EV-olution thanks
Great video.....I had difficulty removing the adaptor even tho i had the car option not to lock.....any ideas..???
Thank you very much. As for your question, I would have test to confirm if the setting makes a difference, but it is still cold outside and I am not big on making videos in the winter 😎
i embarrassed myself thoroughly showing off the v2l to a neighbor. you have to unlock the doors to get the adapter out.
I am fairly confident that the V2L locks in all circumstances to prevent issues.
17:05 - I really wish you would have elaborated on how to find the V2L output power on the dash, because I've been struggling to find that myself! When using the V2L port inside the car (I don't have the adapter at the moment), I can't find V2L status anywhere. Would have been nice to see what that's supposed to look like on the dash!
The V2L power draw on the instrument cluster only appears when you use the V2L adapter. The inside 110V outlet does not show on the dash when in use unless the V2L adapter is connected and on. I should have made that clear, sorry. When you use the V2L adapter, the power draw automatically appears on the dash, there is nothing to do.
In the UK we have the option of dual tarrif electricity rates, I have an EV tariff with 10p/ kWh 2am-6am, and 40p otherwise. I could use my car as a powerwall! Do you have such tariffs in North America?
There are different rates depending on the province. Here in the province of Québec we have the least expensive electricity at 10 cents per kWh, taxes included, all the time and 99% of it is renewable energy. Hydro Québec does, however, have a program called Flex D and I am on it. In the winter months I have a rate of 5 cents per kWh, unless we are in a predetermined peak period where the rate climbs to 50 cents per kWh. The nice thing is that Hydro Québec advises us of the peak period the day before. Peak periods can only be from 6am to 9am and 4pm to 8pm, and the peak advisory from Hydro Québec can be for either time period of the day, or both, with a maximum of 100 peak hours accumulated in the winter season (start and end dates are determined by Hydro Québec). I have been in the top Flex program for a couple of years and we save about 200$ per winter because I have programmed our heating to drop in the peak periods, we don't run the washer, dryer, dishwasher, etc, during those periods, and we only charge our cars during off hours.
@@EV-olution oh my goodness, you really have this locked down! And that's an incredible typical rate, so cheap. We're only seeing that sort of flexibility/ communication with peaks very recently, it's innovative for us. Very interesting given the energy crisis in Europe.
Does v2l function start in vehicle ign off condition? Or you should have the vehicle in ign Or ready mode to use v2l?
I should have made it a bit more clear in the video, but as shown at 1:40 in the video, you don't need to turn on the car. Just unlock the doors, open the charge port, plug in the V2L adapter and press the power button on the adapter.
You said at the start that the function needs to start within 60sec? What does this mean at the start if we do not start in 60secs.?
@@vishalpatil5646 if you do not connect the V2L adapter within 60 seconds the V2L will not work. That is what the instructions from Kia indicated.
Hi! One of the downsides with my Kona electric is charging speed. Not for my daily use, but when I am road tripping. Do you think it would be possible for Hyundai to improve charging speed for kona electric through software updates?
I don't think Hyundai will implement any software changes for the charging curve, but I may be mistaken. What they could do is add battery preconditioning for the winter, which would make a huge difference in charging when it is cold. The 2023 Ioniq 5 will get it, the Genesis GV60 will have it, and I hope Kia and Hyundai put out a software update for the 2022 EV6 and Ioniq 5 to add it since it is the same hardware.
@@EV-olution Yeah. Winter charging can be terrible for the kona. There is some pre-heating of the battery through "winter mode" though? But its not nearly enough.
Unfortunately the Niro EV, Soul EV, Kona Electric, etc, only use the battery heater (winter mode) when plugged in, so it takes time to be of use and takes power that could be used to charge the battery. That is why preconditioning would be excellent.
Andre what keeps me from using a V2L connector on the Niro ?
The connector is just a physical connection, it is not the logic, software and hardware in the EV6. It will not work on the Niro EV.
Will it let you use the outlet on the inside while the car is charging?
Yes, as I demonstrated in the video, but only the North American version, not the European version that offers 240V.
Can you put a standard extension lead with a plug straight in to the port and switch V2L on in the car .ie make your own extension in to the charge port , or do you need the adapter ?
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I was away on vacation. The V2L adapter is required because the charge port on electric cars is not a regular electrical outlet. The V2L adapter is just an adapter though, the car also has to have the technology built-in for the feature to work like shown in the video. You cannot use the V2L adapter on an EV that does not have V2L capability; it won't work. I hope this helps.
Can you use remote start to do the same?
I am not sure I understand the question. To do the same as what?
@@EV-olution instead of going into the car to turn it ON/OFF to recycle the vehicle? Can you use the remote start button on the remote?
Sorry, I thought I mentioned the time of where I want to add the comment. Lol. I was half asleep.
7:15
@@rajam4382 thanks for the tip, I had not discovered that simply unlocking the adapter would do it, but I don't power cycle the car at that point in the video, I just pulled the V2L adapter and plugged it back in. Thanks again!
Can it do a home refrigerator????
It depends on the power draw of the refrigerator. If it is at most 1800W and less than 15A, then yes.
My 110 outlet only works if the V2L is connected and turned on. Kia Dealership here in America said thats the proper way for it to work.
If we use that reasoning it would mean that the 110V outlet is useless to rear passengers who may need it while someone is driving, of if you are parked an need to plug in a device, like a laptop. Unless the programming has been changed, that is not how it works. As mentioned in the video, if you power on the car and plug in a device to the 110V outlet inside the car, it should work. If the car is powered off, then the inside 110V outlet will only work if the V2L adapter is plugged in and turned on.
Great response 👏👏👏
Can the V2l not give up to 3600 watt?
Not in North America where it is a 110V outlet. In Europe it is a 240V that offers the 3600W, but in Europe you can't use the V2L at the same time as the interior outlet.
@@xzibit8614 CNET and Electrek are incorrect. I am not the only one to test this and in North America it peaks at 1900W. Once you pass 1900W the "breaker" cuts the circuit, as my kettle+toaster test show. There is another CZcamsr who has a video where he measures the power and he also gets a 1900W maximum (see link below). Only the European 240V V2L offers 3500W and in that version you can only use the external V2L plug, you can't use the inside outlet at the same time, which is not the case for North America. This was confirmed by a viewer from the UK who uses their V2L for camping and told me that the outlet inside the car is disabled when using the 240V V2L.
Here is a link to the video that uses a power tester to show the max power load for the North American V2L: czcams.com/video/ffYY6j8Ozq0/video.html
@@xzibit8614 they are partially correct, but the 3.6 is only in Europe, not North America.
I got lucky mines came with the car in California. But no charger I didn't mine since I already had a level 2 at home
In the US the V2L is included in all trims, but there is no Level 1 EVSE.
Well this would also be handy after a damaging derecho storm that cuts power to cities for days
Absolutely.
There is also another V2L screen but not in the place you would think…
where is that?
I showed the two that I know of. What other V2L screen is there?
@@EV-olution Turn the car on,press the car on the touch screen and then press the car again.Where you would normally get your projected range & charge limit slider you get V2L display.
@@evodessey I will check that out, thank you.
nice video... please do testing V2L inside while you driving... let say you drive the car and at the same time your wife making coffe or warming a pizza with microwave..
Thanks, but I would not make food while driving as it would not be safe, but it would work since the inside 110V AC outlet has access to the 1.9kW and 15A output that it is rated for.
Only time will tell but my feeling is V2l is a bit of a gimmick and may not be of much practical use to most people. In choosing an EV I would be more interested in the range and efficiency.
I thought the same thing until having and testing it. I will definitely be using it often when I go camping. Another use I found, here in Québec and Ontario there were severe storms that took out power for several days in many regions and because of my video I received several messages saying that people were powering devices and refrigerators to help people out. Most EVs today have long range capabilities, 400km to 500km, and offer very fast charging speeds, which makes other features a focus point for many people. I hope this helps.
Niro???😉😉😉
Old habits die hard 😉😎
Since you're plugging the V2L adapter into the charging port; the same J1772 connector as every other EV in North America, (I'm in the United States), could another EV that does not have a V2L function enabled in it, such as a Mach-E perform the same V2L function as the EV6?
Unfortunately no. The adapter is simply the physical connection with some basic logic that works with the actual V2L feature that is part of the EV6 and Ioniq 5.
Super explications. J'aime bien le style et la simplicité de ta présentation. Si tu es curieux je t'invite à visiter ma chaine. Bon été!
Merci beaucoup. J'ai regardé ta chaîne, très intéressant. Est-ce que tu es ingénieur? Tu as beaucoup de contenu qui semble être sur l'amélioration de moteurs électriques, fonctionnement de batteries, haut-parleurs, etc, en plus de la moto électrique.
@@EV-olution Merci. Je n'ai pas le titre d'ingénieur mais je travaille en ingénierie sur des systèmes de batteries depuis plusieurs années et développe des appareil de soudure laser pour batterie de voiture électrique