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Back with another heaping serving of some of the dumbest comments I get on my videos. This time, however, I'll also be answering some of your questions so that it will balance out the brainless takes from the "experts".
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Middle helmet on the shelf; our right, your left.
hello
Hey Cone just wanted to ask, will you be covering the Original IS-1 to IS-6 Proposals? like I never knew about the Original IS-3 (Not the Kirovets derivative), IS-4, and IS-5.
Top helmet,it looks funky
Oh look, another CZcamsr that thinks they’re the absolute authority on anything. You’re a CZcams uploader, that, statistically speaking, means you’re already an idiot. Don’t convince yourself that because you make videos that nobody asked you to make, equals you being a genius in that or any other field. That wonky logic is only available from, you guessed it, someone of CZcams intelligence.
The Chi-Ha, more commonly known as the Patton, was a heavy tank used by the British in World War 2. It bolstered a heavy hitting 20mm gun which could punch through almost all German armour with ease and featured up to 14mm of sloped armour rendering it impervious to most German guns. By 1916 however, the German T-34 tank destroyers became common on the battlefields of the Middle East and the Chi-Ha lost its invulnerabiulity.
You fool!
You completely forgot about the French Ekranoplan and it's 340mm auto-loader!
Is this a joke? I think so.
Dont give wargaming ideas, they gon make this a tier 5 premium now
@@araflohd In blitz, when we have a Sherman with LCDs on it called "Game over"
@@araflohd I'm getting visions of Weebl and his CoD DLC parody vid.
The M18 critic knows how much of a difference 5mm makes. 👀
Especially Justin
The M18 critic, (who was me by the way) was pointing out the double standard of Cone excusing the M18 when it had exactly the same principle flaw as the Nashorn. Cone also seems to have deleted my longer and more comprehensive reply to his reply where I explained myself and included citations - presumably preferring to punch down in a video than engage in any kind of debate that might challenge his assumed "authority."
@@mattbowden4996 To give this a serious reply: the M18 had application and doctrinal differences from the Nashorn. It also had far better mobility than the Nashorn, due to things such as a higher power-to-weight ratio, better suspension, and wider tracks. Finally, due to factors such as more widespread use, and use in an offensive element vs the Nashorn mostly being used defensively, the M18 was bound to be far more effective than it's Teutonic...counterpart? I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface.
This is all coming from a guy (me) who loves to search for Wunderwaffe-esque stuff in the Bundesarchiv, and owns a few Michael Frohlich and Walter Spielberger books. Saying the M18 is comparable to the Nashorn by just focusing on it's armor protection isn't holistic.
@@Slakrrrrrr Agreed, they are similar not because they both have very light armour, but because they both perform the same doctrinal role as mechanised anti-tank guns in the truest sense.
Conceptually he Nashorn is little more than an enlarged Marder, and the Marder series were created (or perhaps more exactly, extemporised) to satisfy an anti-tank doctrine very similar to that behind the US Tank Destroyer branch - the Chieftain has put out some fascinating stuff on German panzerjager doctrine from the early to mid war and how closly it resembles US TD doctrine. The US Tank Destroyer was every bit as much a defensive weapon as it's German counterpart as it was expected to use it's mobility to deploy in the path of an approaching armoured assault and then attack from dug in positions - exactly the same as German Panzerjager tactics. Both types were also expected to relocate if they came under fire instead of engaging in a slugging match.
It is certainly the case that German commanders sometimes used Panzerjagers improperly, but the same is true of US commanders misusing their TDs (Kasserine pass is a well known example) and that is the fault of the commander, not the vehicle.
Naturally the M18 does differ from the Nashorn by having a turret - but your points about it's superior mobility are as much to do with it being a lighter platform armed with a considerably lesser weapon. An M18 type vehicle armed with a 90mm T15 gun would need to be considerably larger and heavier which would have obvious implications on speed and mobility.
@@mattbowden4996 comparing the M18 to the nashorn is in no way an educated approach, especially in armor, both are open top with armor simply being an afterthought. *this* is why you are rightfully so on the list, no matter if you just said that to make some abstract point.
The TKS tankette was equipped with a 200mm coastal gun. When fired, the recoil would send the vehical flying backward at high speed, turning it into a steel battering ram.
Yarnhub fan?
Ramming speed!
@@yarnickgoovaerts
Is that the tank that was in GTA 3?
yeeeeet
What does not exist is a perfect tank. What does exist is a tank that fills the needs of an Army. Within the limitations of transport and sustainment. Manhours matter. If the equipment is not available to use, you wasted all the effort to get it to the soldier. That is worse than not existing at all. Side note, weight limit on your cranes on the docks also matter.
Nah, the Centurion is literally the best tank in the world, specially in its later designations. The hull and the turret are also reasonably modular. With an adequate technology package, it stands a solid chance against both NATO and Warsaw pact tanks.
Let us say you are in a country with a limited tech base. If your troops can not keep it running a T34 might be better for you. Remember if you can not keep it in action, it is worse than the one you can keep going.@@friedyzostas9998
You just proved my point.@@friedyzostas9998
I think what I am not getting across to you very well is this. I think you are conflating most combat capable, with the need for the tank to be kept in service. Along with some countries have the tank crews, or the attached support do all of the maintenance @@friedyzostas9998
The T-35 is the perfect tank because it has the most cannons.
I'd run out of patience with these dumb comments fast and just give up on trying to educate them, but big respect to you for fighting against misinformation.
same, the comments on the LP response vids from him and RedEffect were especially awful
@@Thunderbolt22A10That whole situation was such a mess in general.
I have no clue how his fans keep following him after that. If I found out a creator I watched lied to me multiple times and behaved so childishly while insisting to be a professional historian I would never watch them again.
He just doesn't deserve the reach he has imo, hopefully his channel improved after all that.
Cone himself has said that you shouldn't take everything he or anybody says at face value.
@@Oppen1945hard to just trow away someone or something that you have based your whole personality on. I never get attached to any creator so not a problem for me.
These are people who cant have an opinion of their own that would even slightly deviate from the narrative. Which is sad cause they dont know what to do or say when that perso or thing just stops being the current ,,cool" thing. You will see that with the ukraineboos whos lives will become meaningless and empty when the conflict ends.
@@Oppen1945 because he wasn't lying, cone of arc had taken what he said out of context on purpose, how can YOU keep following cone???
There's no such thing as having too many gualified experts!
Gualified LOL
For the swastika comment one. It is actually crazy that not even the Finnish air force swastika is displayed in warthunder its blue and was used before anyone even knew who Hitler was. The Finnish air force still has it on their flag today and hell, its black there and no one complains about it.
Advertisers flinch, because angry people who can cause them economic pain.
So, not happening any time soon.
My main concern with not showing swastikas is that they still use hammer and sickle freely. Both were really bad regimes and killed a lot of their own population. Being on the winning side of WWII should not get you free from your crimes.
Werent they also reversed?
@@maxmachac9756 yup
@@kulmabricks Theyve removed the Finnsih swastika since i think 2017 actually. *aschhhhhually*
No but serious Im 95% certain.
Imagine these experts held an open forum
it would either be a knock down drag out fight or a bunch of dudes jerking eachother off with their wrong info lol
It'd be a bloodbath.
It’s called LazerPig’s comment section.
It’s called LazerPig’s comment section.
And funni leaks
I want information on that glue stick
I second this
Elmers glue stick based on the colors
@@iamjohndeleon i say it requires a video of atleast 5 minutes, explain the use, origins, combat use and effectiveness the glue stick.
Also expanding on the romanticization of German weaponry. I think it's also a matter of "the grass is always greener on the other side". People/soldiers will always be fascinated by their enemy's weaponry and gear, purely by the merit of it being different from their own. And it's not a stretch for that mindset to become 'different = better'.
It's also totally white supremist. We see a lot of this in politics even now. Basically any politician that sides with Russia either does it because they're scared of gay people, or because they are scared of minorities.
Plus they had nifty names!
@@kingleech16
-Sherman
-Grant
-Stuart
BORING!! NEEDS MORE SPICE!!!
-Tiger
EXCITING, FEROCIOUS!
-Jagdpanther
FANCY, STRIKES FEAR
-Neubaufarzeug
WHAT
@@cherrybush3250 MOAR BIGGER!
Landkräuzer
Wunderbar!
Also, Germans do genuinely make some incredible machines. In the realm of weapons, if you've ever had the pleasure of taking apart a Walther P38 or a Luger, they are fascinating weapons with incredible precision in their engineering. Compare that to a 1911, which is about as simple as you can make a pistol without cutting corners. Then you think about the economic side of warfare and realize that is one of the major reasons why the Germans had such a hard time in both world wars, everything was overcomplicated. The Americans, and to an even greater extent the Russians, simplified everything down to its bare necessities, meaning they could have semi auto rifles where the Germans had bolt actions, tanks where the Germans only had trucks, and submachine guns where they only had pistols
I bet the dude talking about ww2 veterans "they where there" would tell a judge "how can you sentence me, you wherent even there"
...which is a fair sentiment. Especially for those who have experienced the difference between trials the way they're depicted on TV, and the ones you actually get; where you're already convicted with no proof whatsoever, not even allowed to read what the allegation is, and at no point allowed to provide facts or explain.
@@ditmarvanbelle1061 idk what country you live in, but unless your are entirely inept at any court proceedings, and decline all forms of council, even those forced apon you, you will be allowed to speak. and they will read your charges in front of you. AND given no chance of appeal. so unless your talking about an unheard of, entirley corrupt court somewhere in bumfuck USA, that shit would be about as rare as said TV courts.
@@TheSamplebridge I can tell you don't believe me; and even though I find your faith in your justice system misguided to say the least, let's leave the discussion at ... "I was there, and you weren't" ;-)
@@ditmarvanbelle1061 oh, i have no faith in it, but its not the kind of "lock him in a cage and throw out the key" fuckery. its the legal stuff, the "well we passed a law saying skipping is illegal, so your a bad person for skipping and therefore go to jail" fuckery. the way they twist their own laws to screw you in every little "legal" way possible. and even when you win, you still lose.
War is hell and the problem with our brains is that memories do get altered over time. Luckily there are the war journals of course, but the American war journals from Europe are filled with Tiger sightings in places where no Tigers existed. The biggest problem in that situation was that most Panzers looked like Tigers to every scared kid in the war. Veterans have their memories, and the kids they were sometimes also made mistakes.
Everyone knows, as written on the Rosetta Stone by the Roman historian Experticus, the Soviet T34 was the greatest tank ever created-but only after they swapped the main gun out for the 1911 .45 ACP semi auto fire. Capable of shooting straight through over 1700 Tiger tanks lined up end to end.
That gun was obviously using Adamantium rounds, with vibranium casing. 😂
@@CZcams_user3333 Why of course, they messed up once and loaded extra high pressure rounds and changed the Earth's rotation. Luckily they had another round to fire in the exact opposite direction to correct it.
@@CZcams_user3333
More specifically, a Stalinium/Adamantium alloy
Comfort actually means a lot. If you are uncomfortable you will fatigue faster. Or in certain cases lose capability. For instance boots uncomfortable boots = foot injuries which = troops not being able to match as far and/or losing them temporarily from injury. To the point that boots were one of the first things doctors did studies on how to get them to be more ergonomic. For vehicles I know when I was in I had more energy after driving the LMTV for a long time versus the hummers because our LMTVs were new, comfy and had working AC and heat. The hummers were a few months younger than me made in 1985 and were clapped out pieces of crap and many didn’t have working AC or heat. So in the winter you froze in the summer you’d cook. Plus when driving to and from training sites they felt like they were going to explode if you got up to 55mph and required more attention. The LMTVs were smoother and reminded me more of a regular car even though it was much larger.
Thinking your equipment could clap out at any moment stresses out crew massively vs being able to feel more confident in the equipment. Takes focus away from more important things.
Oshkosh makes a fine tactical vehicle. Drove a lot of three axle LMTV's, and they were comfy, spacious, cooled, and the controls were all easy to reach and standardized. The JLTV interior looks like a scaled down LMTV.
I'm totally a Bob Semple tank expert and I think it's the best 👍👍
This is an irrefutable, objective truth.
In some aspects I can agree
I lick images of the bob semple every night I go to bed and every morn I awake, i too agree on its greatness. It is so great they decomissioned it to play fair.
Now make it a MBT
It's so semple to build ;)
Say the line, tank-jak
@@ProxiProtogenhaha,I love this little guy
"You gotta TANK out of this one"
Who let those people cook? The entire tank factory is on fire
14:40 Veterans are also people and can misremember things as they age.
16:54 present video game models are way better that the 1990's to early 2000's CGI on old documentaries.
No wonder Hollywood is in a bad place financially, they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars to make movies when they could have just made them for fun.😂
Hollywood is not supposed to make movies. They're job is making propaganda only
Don't forget the kids.
Taking ignorance and turning it into teachable moments is pretty admirable. Cheers
It's been like ten years since youtube exploded and the whole "content creator" thing took off. People should have come to realise how much time even a "simple" video can take. Once you pile on research, editing in photos/footage that of couse complicates the process. Even with expertise making videos isn't just something you bang out in ten minutes.
Even a short takes me the better part of an hour once you factor all those things in. People just don't understand because they've never done it themselves
@@ConeOfArc Thank you again for your dedication and patience. Hopefully making these offer a bit of catharsis :)
@@ConeOfArc It is the same thing as people asking an artist to create a free work of art "for exposure" or claiming that they need to not pay an intern so that they can have job experience. It is theft and expecting slave labour for one's own benefit at the expense of another. It is disrespectful of others as human beings.
Ten years ago I had already been on youtube for 7 years, but luckily the only content I create is on the porcelain throne.
22:18
Ah, yes, a description of the True Crime CZcams sphere.
"A video shows millions dying in the most horrible way"
CZcams comments: IT WAS GREEDY CAPITALIST, THERE EVIL
Lmao
Cardboard, being spaced armor, is better at stopping pushpin darts than cardstock of the same total combined thickness. Actual childhood experience.
Thanks for doing these. I like the "take no crap" approach. "I can see where you're coming from but you're wrong" is the perfect way to deal with this sort of thing. ps: sponsorship is necessary and good for you for earning it. Folks think it comes for free. As a tiny streamer I know it doesn't. You earn it. Love your work, please keep it up
Shermans vs Tiger (I or II doesn't make any difference, it could have been a Pz. IV with a long 75, or even just a Pz. II, or even a halftrack and not even a tank)
US doctrine dictated that the minimum number of tanks to go out on a mission, "Hey, enemy armored vehicle spotted by infantry in this area" would have been a platoon, or 4. So yes, the number of tanks to take out a Tiger was 4, but it was due to doctrine, not due to planned losses.
If you were sending soldiers out to take out a German infantry squad holed up in a farm house, you'd send a platoon, consisting of 3 or 4 squads. Source: The Chieftain, and my own military experience.
As it was in every other army. Organisational structure exists to preaerve mutual suplort.
I think much of confusion over the claim is confusion over what the claim actually is. Obviously, if you put a Tiger at one end of a large field, you're going to need more than one Sherman at the other end to take out that Tiger. And I think most people would agree that, overall, the Tiger was a better tank than the Sherman.
But putting tanks up against each other one on one is not how wars are fought, of course. Even putting up tanks in general against each other is not how wars are fought: tanks had many other purposes than just killing other tanks. Even when it comes to killing other tanks, if your strategy involves building several weaker units so you can flank and take out a lesser number of stronger units, and that works, great! You've won, and that's worth a lot more than having individual units be superior to other individual units.
And then the whole thing gets conflated with a completely different thing, which is the loss ratios on both sides. No, the Americans didn't lose five times as many Shermans as the Germans lost Tigers, but even if they had, not only are the reasons for the losses often nothing to do with a tank's superiority or inferiority to another tank (especially when the loss was happened when a tank didn't even _encounter_ an enemy tank), but the "losses" were counted so differently on each side that they're not even comparable without a _lot_ of work.
13:33 I’m very sure that if you gave any WWII British soldier the choice between a Tiger and a Firefly they’d definitely end up choosing the latter, they fucking loved the Shermans when they came about
I suspect the US tankers would also prefer four Shermans over one Tiger II and the rest of them walking. 😂
Honestly in real life comfort in a tank can add a lot to crew morale, if the tank feels like you're sitting in your favorite chair playing video games then you go to a battlefield with the the feeling you have a high chance of getting home after a battle wich can be half the battle whilst being still underway to it...
Additionally, folks whose minds are consumed with "oh god, everything hurts" or "is this giving me hemorrhoids?" are seldom the best prepared for when something bad happens.
@@kingleech16 nor are able to take in everything the right way on the battlefield.
even aside from personal comfort, if being in a small space makes your job harder... your job is harder. loading shells, aiming, driving, all suck so much worse when you can't get your elbows more than a few inches from your ribcage
@@recurvestickerdragon exactly
The soldiers seeing King Tigers and not noticing all the horse drawn transport...
Do you think horse drawn transports engaged in fighting alot?
@12:30 I wonder if that's a propaganda bot that just dumped comments on a certain kind of video.
Possible
@@ConeOfArcprobable
or a geezer who thinks that when he clicks "post" but doesn't see it in the list right away, better re-submit thirty more times until results are visible
@@ConeOfArc plausible
Well, to be fair, we do have video evidence of the whole men being nabbed, and mentally disabled Ukrainian soldiers. The latter was…quite depressing to see frankly. Poor lad isn’t fully aware of where he is, nor the seriousness of the situation. They won’t let him have a rifle, for obvious reasons.
Not a clue what it had to do with that video tho lmao
I've watched you and your content grow up these past few years. Proud of you, young man.
On discomfort, a recent US military study calculated that for a certain amount of weight for infantry, combat casualties increased a certain amount and I feel like centuries of terrible combat loads and ergonomics have a lot to answer for. A super comfortable tank that makes people want to operate longer is going to be important in a war that lasts longer than an hour.
someone: "The idea of using silly video games material is very childish"
The History Channel, after doing an entire series about ancient battles using the Rome Total War game engine: "Are we a joke to you?
The History Channel after producing The Curse of Oak Island, Ancient Aliens and Haunted History, 'Never mind, don't answer that'......
Because they couldn't afford Roman Legion reenactors.
19:12 what great logic that the Ferdinand used the Pak 36 (A 3.7cm gun)
smol pp
The IS-7 comment made me lose it 💀💀💀💀
Gualified is my favorite word now
A Ferdinand with a 37mm gun 💀
Would you consider doing a video looking at the tanks from Warhammer 40k? I would love to hear your thoughts on the Leman Russ, the Rogal Dorn, and the Baneblade.
hmm, i coulda sworn they covered that once... i gotta see if i can find it
Wait, the Rogal Dorn? Not really up to date with current W40k lore(I'm still on the Fall of Cadia) but is that a recent model?
@@weedsmith8467 It was released 2 years ago. It's larger than a Russ.
@weedsmith8467 Yes father, I have transformed myself into a tank.
Best tank? Nobody should ask what the best tank is and just ask what their favorite tank is. Mine is the Centurion Mk III with second place being… Well, I forgot the second place one but it was British. Then there are things like OF 40 Mk 1, Stingray, and Jaguar.
Edit: Or they could ask what tank suits the job and that nation’s requirements at the time the most. Something along those lines.
You fool, the best tank is the USS Fletcher Battleship
@@Marcos-ms1ij Battleship? I thought Fletcher was a Destroyer. Never heard of a Battleship named Fletcher but there was at least 1 Destroyer named that.
@@NenshokazeI believe or at least I think he said that as a joke…or I hope it was a joke
My personal favorite is the Jagdpanther. Not because it's incredible or anything (but it's definitely a great vehicle, don't get me wrong), but because of how it looks. For some reason, the tank is just so visually striking and visually appealing to me.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14
That is one of the most terrifying tanks of WW2 IMO. A crawling bunker that’ll seem unkillable from just about anything.
The "black screen" bit was hilarious.
As a Canadian and a handgun guy,my favorite 2 next to Tiger is greatest ever are:
the Avro Arrow would still be flying today
And
The 1911 is the greatest pistol ever and won 2 World Wars
The Arrow would still be flying because Canadian procurement is too cheap to upgrade not because it was a great place.
I didn't know the Ameticans fought Germany and Japan with handguns, thought it was 30-06 and 50 BMG..lol
Well, to be fair, there were a few .30 caliber machine guns, the odd bomb or two, and a wacky physics experiment, too.
The fact the M2 is still in service tho...
@lairdcummings9092 the US 30 cal machine guns were 30-06 same as Garand and Springfield chambering
@@V3RTIGO222so are the BOFORs and a variant of the MG42
@@OntarioBearHunter but not the same weapon; not even remotely.
25:41 the Tiger is also considerably wider than the Sherman, so it looks less tall
but comparing a heavy Tiger of 57 tons to a Sherman of 30 tons "but they had the same height" .... really ? That was borderline ridiculous ^^
The " Me about to feast on a meal of fun and prestige" meme made me spill my milk😂.
But to be honest I think the op of that comment talking about doing your videos for fun either underestimates the amount of time it takes you to make one of your videos or dosent understand how hard it is to survive let alone make a living off of CZcams.
Hey Cone, could you do a video with laserpig?
19:39 of note also that while Germany may have removed that ban, some other countries might still have something to the same effect still going on (namely Russia if memory serves, might apply to some others) so while for western viewers/players it might seem a bit odds to still ban/censor the swastika, for a company trying to market it's game internationally, it is still an issue
You are a great youtuber
Great video. Thanks for putting up with us!
From a certain point of view I can see why Allied soldiers were concerned or afraid of the German “Wonder Weapons” because they’ve never seen or heard anything like them. But in reality they were more like “Blunder Weapons”.
Why wouldnt they be afraid? Do you think soviets thought "oh the transmission on that thing sucks so its le bad we dont have anything to worry about" when their positions are attacked by a tiger platoon.
@taistelusammakko5088 of course they’d be afraid. The same way the Germans would hit the deck when they saw Allied planes.
You honestly are one of the best CZcamsrs I know lol. There was a period of drama that turned many people away from you, but you always deliver excellent content!
Are you kidding me? War Thunder footage is brilliant. The best, sometimes the only way to clearly depict a vehicle. IMO one of our best arguments to get WT to add vehicles from the 30's and 40's.
For the record, men died in battle so that people can whine about content creators too.
It would be neat to put a light in the barrel of the printed turret and make it a flashlight.
''Expert''
Expanding on your in-game footage answer - even if there is video of that particular vehicle that you can "found footage from", it doesn't means that that video is freely usable. The licensing fees to be able to incorporate that historic footage into a CZcams video might be even more than the custom model you talked about. (And no, just because someone else may have posted a copy of said footage to, say, a forum doesn't mean they, or you, actually have the rights to share that footage)
T28/95 definitely needed more horsepower
Just paint some "go fast stripes" on it.
Problem solved!
Or paint it red it would make it faster @@lairdcummings9092
@@lairdcummings9092 Red ones go faster!
I was about to comment purple, but then again it wouldn't need that... So yes red goes faster.
you gotta do that Turret as merch id for sure wuld buy it and put it into my shelf to gather more dust as i dont clean any stuff i buy
Camouflage to ambush your enemies
Just discovered your videos! Great work and editing. Thank you also for being clean content I can share with my tank enthusiastic 8yo.
To add to the point about the popularity of German tanks and the Wehrmacht as a whole I think it's also a bit of villain romanticization. I know I do it at least. When I read or watch history content I do it kind of how I would a comic book. And for me personally I think Germany in WW2 was super interesting because they were super evil. Kinda how I do the Joker or Thanos.
Fair and should also add propaganda, goebels did an ameizing job at making the wermacht look like the invencible army of evil that was gonna conquer europe when you think about the nazis you allways have the view of heavy tanks and halftracks with infantry with top of the line weapons you don't think of horse draw starving men equiped with ww1 rifles and capture machineguns stuck on a trench despite those being their most common sight
it makes a victory sweeter if you talk up your enemy. "They had dumb hunks of junk that broke down" doesnt make for good stories for the grandkids
@@alexdemoya2119 And even Asian grandfather said that the Japanese massacre site since WW2 at some place that has no evidence or human remains.
@@alexdemoya2119 and maybe because they werent dumb hunks of junk that broke down
The reason why the German tanks are overrated is (also) anti-communist propaganda post ww2. I don't wanna get political really but it's objectively so.
Yep, the west let the nazis write the narrative of the Eastern front because it was politically convenient in the cold war. Thus we got stuck with tales of the brave, nonpolitical Wehrmacht soldier, human wave attacks, endless Russian hordes, across the board inferior tanks and planes, and every failure of the Wehrmacht being the sole fault of Hitler.
It's fascinating how much of modern public opinion is rooted in cold war propaganda, on both sides.
FFS we let nazi generals write their own memoirs after ww2 because they were the "good" guys now
Yup. The US, and it's allies, now were prepping to face off against the USSR. They had half of germany, and many influential german officers writing about their experiences fighting the russians. Books that were translated, then published and circulated in english.
If those aren't objectively biased sources I don't know what is.
A fair amount of the romanticism is thanks to the Soviets as well. Essentially after the war the Germans were eager to overstate how good their stuff was and how good their tactics/training as well because they were trying to prove their worth to the Allies so they wouldnt be totally disarmed like the Japanese and to help them get jobs working for and/or supplying NATO. The Soviets meanwhile were eager to overstate how good the Nazis equipment was to try and explain away how terrible the Soviets performed during the first half of the war. Since the Allies didnt have any info on the eastern from aside from what the Soviets and Germans told them it lead to things like the Tiger being made out to be an unstoppable juggernaut and the T-34 being an unstoppable zerg rushing swarm, rather then the truth that both were pretty shoddily built and tended to break down rather easily.
The T-34 is a great example. It was a good tank but mainly because it was cheap and easy to make but not nearly as good as many believed since they based many of their assumptions off German records which blew the tank out of proportions to cover up their own failures, as well as being based off T-34s built after the end of the war when Soviet building standards rose. During the war it wasnt unusual for T-34s to get totalled without penetrating the armor because the armor was sloped and hardened but brittle and the welding shoddy so it would crack, the spalling would kill the crew, or the welding points/joints would fail. The Soviets were losing tanks to Germans that, on paper, shouldnt have been able to penetrate their armor.
Also related to that but a big part of Soviet and now Russian propaganda has been that the US/Allies copied a ton from the Soviets and Germans. They do that because it explains away why the Soviets/Russians had to copy the Germans and US so much and makes the Allies seem less innovative then they really were. Even with things like jets and rockets the Nazis were pretty advanced but the US and UK were already making rockets and jets, they just incorporated some Nazi tech but the Nazis were actually lagging behind the Allies in many areas so the Allies didnt really get that much new, useful info and half the reason for Operation Paperclip wasn't to advance the allies so much as just being about denying the Soviets a leg up. That's why the US built nukes, why the Soviets had to copy from them, and why the Germans never developed any nukes. This is still featured a lot in modern Russian propaganda since it makes it seem like it's something that every country does rather then being a sign of Russian incompetence.
I love your content, keep up the great work!!! cheers!
Time is money, yall you tubers need to find a way to rebel against the hand that feeds yall. Don't know how you go about biting the hand that feeds, bt YT is going to hell in a handbasket. Love your shit.
a Union is unironically necessary to exert some kind of check on YT's monopoly
You do great job man! Keep going! 🍻👍
These quote on quote "Experts of Tank History" should be brought to a actual historian that stores the history of the tank and values the reasons why it was made in the first place. Instead of like "This [Tank name] was better than [Another tank name]!" on the internet. If you are one of those people... The only suitable word for you would be... "Your argument is just a huge pile of bullshit!" wich for me is only the closest to those people to be like closely affiliate to someone who never had a deep dive in to these complicated rabbit hole stuff in tank history.
Edit reason: Epsilon-18 did corrected me on a word that it didn't existed in the first place.
"X tank is better than Y tank" arguments are dumb, just on principal. Different tanks are designed for different roles and different situations and trying to divide them into soyjacks and chads will lead to wildly skewed views of history. Few, if any, tanks that saw extensive production were simply bad. They usually made sense for the situation their parent nation was in at the time, and wouldn't necessarily make sense for a different nation in a different situation.
And usually the way these comparisons go is to judge the attributes of the tank you don't like based on the standards of the tank you do like. Thus you have Tiger fanboys judging the Sherman and T-34 based on firepower and armor, the thing the Tiger was designed to be good at, and then calling them bad tanks because they come up short in that department. Then the Sherman and T-34 fanboys (when not fighting each other) counter by judging the Tiger in terms of reliability, ease of repair, and cost, the things that the T-34 and Sherman were designed to be good at, and then calling the Tiger a bad tank because it doesn't measure up in those areas.
It's stupid and annoying.
"Bringed" is not a word. I think you meant "brought."
@@Epsilon-18 Oh. I didn't knew about that. I'll fix that. Thanks for correcting me bc i am not always sure what the word is fitting or not.
Thanks for a fun video!
The “expert” comments must be lazerpig viewers
Haha, definitely!
Can you describe those lazerpig watchers.
Depends. The average LP viewer has a brain. He's gone on to state on multiple occasions that people shouldn't take his word as gospel.
the passive watchers are def like this...
Ah yes because lazerpig viewers would.
Argue that a flat 5mm armor on a nashorn would make the difference between the M18.
Argues that Ukraine is sending mentally disable to the front and that Cone googling skills are sending men to the front.
Argues that people being there means they know more (IF you watched his videos, you would know he goes against this idea)
Uses bad grammar while scoffing at the idea that the IS-7 was impervious.
Does not care about crew comfort and thinks it's arbitrary (If you watched his videos, he argues more for the soft factors like crew comfort)
Gets mad when video game footage is used and considers its amateur
Argues over cannon sizes and doesn't watch the video (Thinks of someone else)
Gets mad over so-called political correctness when the Swastika is considered a very nasty symbol for many people.
This one does sound right, because it's usual for fans to not watch the others video and assume that they know more about said channel than they actually do.
Argues that the Sherman was bad because it was a light tank and that your wrong for selling merch.
Complains about advert and gets mad that someone wants some money so they can continue having fun.
Downplays Shermans by saying they were built a lot and then uses a vague German quote about how "tall" shermans were. (Reminds me of when Lazerpig mocks how everyone uses the Bradley quote from PentagonWars)
Pretty Ironic if this stuff does happen because then they would be listening to someone who directly makes fun of their idea of looking at superficial stuff and not try and look just a bit harder. Lucky thing that we both watch their channels and can laugh at these people right?
You should make the turret as a hat
Theres something to be said about having a turret vs superstructure for survivability. Being able to have your hull pointed towards an escape vector mostly.
Hi ConeOfArc, as a tank fan myself. I really appreciate you making these tank videos and making them very entertaining and informative. I was wondering if you could do one on the Amx50 or any of the myth Amx tanks in world of tanks
I’ve got a question for you (hopefully you don’t think it’s stupid). What is it about french tanks that you find interesting? And do you have any recommendations on french tanks in English?
I was able to commune with the Hide and Seek Champ when it was at Ft. Knox along with the other heavy tank test articles.
Poor comfort can also limit performance
For the censorship of the swastika, so I’m assuming they were referring to War Thunder specifically in which if I would guess why they were remove it it’s not because it’s a potentially touchy subject, but more about age ratings, because as a whole, the game is trying to appeal to a broad audience and so they were aiming for a T rating (using the ESRB metric). but due to the nature and use of the swastika if they implemented it into the game, they would have to have an M rating and so they took some liberties and removed it. It’s the same reason why they say that crews are knocked out and not killed in game.
Cone, censorship is bad regardless of what it is censoring. WT should show the symbol.
they do it because they cant show in some countrys
@@skoovee
Not an excuse, censorship is bad regardless. Bring me a moral argument, not a legal one.
@@ThatZenoGuy i’m not making a moral argument, i’m saying it’s a company driven by profit so they are not going to get banned in a country because of a swastika
@@ThatZenoGuy Increased wehraboos population.
@@sahaquiel4640
So?
The Tiger I also known as the Sherman was a British main battle tank used by Canadian forces armed with a 120mm smoothbore gun with apfsds and production on paper started in the interwar period before full creation in 1938. The tank had a triangular frontal turret and heavily angled. Was able to travel at speeds of 60 kph and also had 700mm of armor on the tank treads and 75mm on the front. It also had a massive shield attached to the gun and hull in an angled dome which was able to ram into walls and tanks earning the name rampanzer. Then it was captured by Swedish forces before entering combat with the british army once more. It had a crew of 8
I didn't watch your videos for awhile (was busy, nothing against you) and I come back to you having full blown facial hair. 😂
The comment saying how you "spend just your time and don't need to use any ads" reminded me of somebody whining under Metatron's video about how yt never was meant for making any profit, and should be treated as a hobby only.
It's like people who ask artists to make art for exposure
How dare you try to profit off of your own hard work. You should just give ME all of your money instead tank video man. (I need it for my invasion of france)
Henry V, is that you?
Be careful out there, Cone, and remember: an "expert" is just someone more than 50 miles from home.
I like the panzer 4 tanks very robust and universal. Should do one with all the variants and explain them and give us your expert advice on the best variant a/b/c/d ect love your videos keep it up
20:38 The lack of any punctuation had me come to the comments to express my frustration.
It makes my head cave in from the absurdity of someone like yourself doing your homework with cited sources and someone else says, “Nuh uh! You’re wrong. Do your own research.” As a history buff with a degree in Modern History, I feel that pain on so many levels.
I like how these kind of comments always, without fail, have very distinctive and usually poor spelling and grammar.
Bit late, enjoyed this 😂🎉
As a former professional tank crewman. Always question experts. They're more vulnerable to confirmation bias than non experts and they've often forgotten more about their field than your average layman will ever know.
As a former leopard 2a6 driver, i agree 100%
The average US soldier didn't see the 50,000 Shermans compared to the German 50,000 armored vehicles.
You have a lot of patience dealing with gamers who think they are actual historians. As an amateur historian, i am constantly learning things that challenge my previous thoughts on a subject. Anyway, keep on keeping on. I enjoy your content.
you should make a video called "what is a tank?" and actually explain what tanks are, versus SPGs, SPAAs, TDs, and then the various types of MBT heavy medium light cavalry and infantry tanks and what that means practically, even if its not super in depth, i feel like that would be a really good video or even series for people new to this stuff.
as a kid, i learnt what the various classes were from playing games, but it took awhile for me to get used to it and to figure this stuff out for myself
You can watch Red Wrench Film's video, he made a big video explaining those vehicle terms
@@Brigadium75 im aware, i just thought it would fit this channel too
How did the repair crews fix tank armour that has been penetrated? Did they leave the hole there or did they replace the armour plates?
i can imagine seeing something absolutely batshit and probably classified at the time would make anyone think they had alien tech. i mean, we've been using airplanes for how long now? now imagine someone made an alternative that also flies but is just a box that you get in and fly to your destination Dr. Who Style. that would be fuckin' nutty.
"Do it for the fun!" OMGosh Just putting up with comments like those should require some kind of compensation. Waiting for next Friday.
Shermans being "tall" has always been a funny critique to me. Tall compared to what, the super compact T-34?
What's the weird shaped black helmet with the Russian eagle on your shelf?
TBH the comfort of any vehicle should matter, even in warfare. If the crew of a tank isn't comfortable, they'll likely drive the vehicle significantly below it's limits for fear of their own safety. Not to mention, poor ergonomics would no doubt lead to injuries which can impair the crew in general.
I love if you made that mascot FCM turret into a hat so you can wear it in streams like this.
As to the Sherman vs tiger it's going to depend on where the Sherman hits it and which gun the Sherman has. For a similar example the Bradley taking out a T-80.
@ConeOfArc could you recommend any tank museums to visit? I’m a tank enthusiast like yourself.
this log looks intriguing
That russian helmet! That's quite an interesting design, definitely want you to talk about it in the next video!
The little known Liger tank which was half tiger half lion was the greatest tank ever made. It is also Napoleon's favorite animal.
I can remember this badly but didnt they try to mount the sa37 on the fcm and the turret kind of started to break? (yeah should listen before writing but yeah)
Also while better if i recall it costed more to produce wich isnt specially nice for France politicians at that point
Did they try to put the h39/r39 turret?
I love the content, I would offer my design skills for 3dprints with no cost or strings attached. I can support you that way. Cheers!
Is it Polish tanker helmet, on the right (your left) side on the display shelf?
Or is it a very nice replica?