Star Trek: Insurrection (1998) Reaction & Review! FIRST TIME WATCHING!!
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Star Trek: Insurrection was a very entertaining but middle of the pack Star Trek Film. The strengths included the actual story and history of these two races, the directing from Jonathan Frakes and the performances (particularly from Sir Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes and F. Murray Abraham). The production end was also mostly great with beautifully made sets, props and decent CGI which looked good for the time but didn’t age as well. Apart from the slightly confusing first act, I would very much recommend this film, especially if you’re a Star Trek fan. This isn’t a standalone movie so I’d be cautious if I were a causal viewer. I'm very excited for the final film in the franchise: Nemesis!
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0:00 Intro
2:05 The Film
20:53 The Review
26:33 Outro
Hey guys, I'm Shaneel (Shan). Welcome to the channel!
My reaction and review to Star Trek: Insurrection (1998) for the first time. Hope you enjoy the video!
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It's a good movie. Probably the most like the TV series out of all of the Next Gen films. But for some reason it gets a lot of grief. While it isn't as good as First Contact, "not as good" doesn't necessarily mean bad.
The problem is that the 7th season of TNG had a similar story, but with Picard taking the opposite position. It was Wesley Crusher's farewell episode. In 'Insurrection' the entire moral dilemma is immediately dismissed, Picard goes rogue and things are completely stacked in favor of the Baku. I understand that it is meant to be an upbeat change of pace from 'First Contact', but it is treating a serious issue in a cavalier way. And some people find the way the Baku are written as being hard to swallow.
And, the pacing is all wrong for a feature film.
You're right in that it was the most like the TV series. One of the really boring "alien village" episodes, which is the problem. I just didn't care about any of the characters or their problems.
Well at the time there was a lot of cries of "racism" because the folksy Baku were portrayed as "good", and the more metropolitan Sona were portrayed as "evil". I don't want to go back and try to find the articles on SDDN, but a LOT of people got rubbed the wrong way about this movie. I never thought any of the arguments were valid, but I didn't care enough about the movie to argue. I mean it basically boils down Elves vs. Orcs, set in space, with a conundrum that almost anybody could solved with a little bit of actual thought. Hell, the entire conflict is ridiculous and forced anyways.
It's boring and feels like an extended episode. There's nothing memorable in it really..
the curse of odd ST movies strikes again
First Contact and Insurrection are both great movies, each with its own merits.
LaForge's sight is one of my favorite Star Trek moments of all time.
As the movie would have said, it is a perfect moment in time.
It always makes me tear up. Such a perfect scene. 🖖
Much love for Insurrection. My personal favorite of the TNG films... and my reason is the same banner a lot of the haters fly: it felt just like an extended TNG episode from the series. For me, that was a good thing.
But it's a movie, hence it should have a plot that lends itself well to the theatrical experience. Insurrection, as you said, felt more like an extended TNG episode, which was a far cry from First Contact, which had a far more exciting and audience-centered narrative.
Interesting observation.
Well, I always thought First Contact was an extended episode of a Next Generation show. Maybe a better made show but still an extended episode.
My problem isn't that it's too much like an episode of TNG, it's that it's too much like AN episode of TNG. They've done this plot before. And at least when Star Trek the Motion Picture recycled the plot from The Changeling they didn't make Kirk look like a massive hypocrite by having him vomit righteous indignation against a course of action that HE HIMSELF PREVIOUSLY TOOK! Except the Cardassian border treaty that Picard previously had no issue going along with was actually much, much worse. This movie makes Picard look either hypocritical or brain damaged. It's okay to steal planets from peaceful settlers and give it to allies of the Dominion as long as none of those settlers give Picard a woody.
@@bad-people6510 That's an incredibly simplistic way of picking out surface level similarities and dismissing all the ways they aren't AT ALL the same.
In the episode you're talking about, the claim to the planet is disputed, and the switch and relocation is determined by legitimate inter-faction negotiation at the highest levels. The issue is resolved much the same way, with an amended compromise and the acceptance by the affected party of the long-term consequences of remaining.
In the movie, there is no disputed claim, the actions the Federation officers take in co-operation with the Sona is arbitrary and completely disconnected from chain of command, essentially going rogue for their own goals AND injecting the Federation in the middle of a dispute they weren't aware of.
There's no hypocrisy here... Picard isn't happy about the ethics of the relocation in either situation, but the ethics of the justification in the latter is literally non-existent, whereas in the former it's a measured, diplomatic compromise at the governmental level.
"Jean-Luc, we're only moving 600 people."
"How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? Hmm? A thousand, fifty thousand, a million? How many people does it take, Admiral?"
Out of all The Next Generation movies, this movie feels more like a Star Trek television episode than the rest of them. That's NOT a dig at the other movies, because each movie has its strength.
Fun Fact: The manual control column that Commander Riker uses to steer the Enterprise is a modified Gravis Thunderbird PC joystick.
Gordon's Alive Fact: Sir Patrick Stewart wanted his life-long friend Brian Blessed to play Admiral Dougherty. Blessed did over 800 hours of astronaut training at Star City in Russia, and remains the #1 civilian on the waiting list for the International Space Station.
Field Trip Fact: On the Blu-ray commentary, Jonathan Frakes says that for the scene where Adhar Ru'afo (F. Murray Abraham) has his skin folded over his head, producer Rick Berman and several of the make-up artists had visited a plastic surgery clinic to watch surgeries being performed to get ideas for that particular scene.
One of my favorite scenes in TNG, the "How many does it take Admiral". I'm not entirely all action are the best scenes.
I've never understood the hate or dislike of this one. Always enjoyed it. Data learning to play - Picard upholding the prime directive - Deanna and Riker - the music - the scenery (the Sierra Nevada?) - and the story too. And Abraham made a great villian!
the music in the credits,is my favorite part.
I read the novelisation when the movie came out and I found that improved on a lot of the areas where the movie faltered. The mystery at the beginning is better-paced, for one. But the main one was how improved Admiral Dougherty was as a character. We get several scenes from his point of view and because of that, we get into his head.
IIRC, his wife had died not that long before and that was a driving force in him wanting to help others by developing this new metaphasic medical treatment. There was a degree of selflessness to it, as he could no longer save his wife, but wanted to save others from having to suffer the same grief. He also spent a lot of the movie feeling his own age and how he would have never let Ru'afo walk all over him when he was a younger man. It all culminates when he finally decides to end the mission and as he heads to confront Ru'afo, he thinks about how he suddenly feels young and invigorated again. Essentially, he never needed a "fountain of youth," to regain his old self, he just needed to start believing in his own moral code again. Ultimately, he died feeling like he'd found the man he used to be again, just before the end.
well guess i'm going to read the novel :D
Exactly so: Admiral Dougherty was never the villain of this story, he was a flawed hero...
While there is enough in the movie plot to show that (although it lacks the mention of the death of his wife) it failed to give it sufficient weight as a plot point.
I think the problem was that the writers themselves either failed to understand their own character, more was filmed but cut for time, or, I think the most likely, the writers themselves failed to fully think through the ethics of the situation from a 24th Century perspective, thus Admiral Dougherty lacked any kind of 'protection from plot', where Picard and co had Full plot-armor...
I think the writers were so used to Picard and co 'always being the good-guys', they got lured into the easy trap of writing Admiral Dougherty Solely as a foil against Picard, by false-teaming him with Ru'afo...
The lines *were there* that he wanted to wait until the benefits could be shared with All of the Federation, that when the truth about the Son'a's connection to the Ba'ku was exposed, he tried to end the mission (and got physically beaten down by Ru'afo, because he Was an old man, who could no longer handle himself in a fight) but in the movie-version of the story, they were never given enough weight to make them Obvious as truth of his character, to balance against Picard's plot-armor...
Depending on how much was written, filmed, and then not included, it could simply be that the editor got carried away, thus not showing him in his true light 👍👍👍👍
I think the theme music to this one is the best.
Great soundtrack - really lifts the movie
I agree wholeheartedly. Some of Goldsmith's best work - both for Trek and well, period.
Fun Fact: Admiral Dougherty was played by Anthony Zerbe, who was one of the Henchmen in the James Bond-Movie "Licence to Kill"... specfically, the one who got his Head blown up in the Pressure Chamber. What a weird coincidence. :D
_Insurrection_ was the first Trek-Movie to be almost all CGI. The only exception being the Explosion of the Collector at the End, which was done practically. Infact, they hired another Effects company for these shots, as the two Companies sharing the effects workload for this movie (ILM was unavailable at the time, as they were working on Star Wars: Episode I) had no experience with Modelwork and Pyrotechnics.
Anthony Zerbe also played the Zombie/Mutant Leader in "The Omega Man"!
@@jamesalexander5623 And the main leper in Papillon" (1973).
Your assessment is quite fair. I have a soft spot for this film because I'm so fond of the theme of resisting your institution/country (Starfleet, the Federation) when it acts unethically.
I love the concept of a "perfect moment in time" and related scenes. F. Murray Abraham was perfectly cast. The best villain since Christopher Plummer.
ROFL. I keep remembering that line from Futurama: "Hey! You know what six movies average out to three good ones? The first six Star Trek movies!"
Man, Captain Picard gets in so much trouble, with the Starfleet Admiralty. I'm amazed he's managed to keep his command.
17:38, poor Anthony Zerbe, gets his head blown up in License To Kill, and face stretched here.
Donna Murphy was excellent with Patrick Stewart. It was obvious they had good chemistry. Their interactions didn't seem contrived, but natural
You want more Star Trek, you have to watch the shows. That would be a way not to miss them. If you do, I would envy the hell out of you, watching for the 1st time. Reading about the shows just don't cut it. I'm pretty sure 95% of Star Trek fans would be envious as well.
There is a 3rd Season tv episode “Who watches the watchers” that sets up this idea to observe pre-warp civilization, from a hidden vantage.
This film was set while Worf was transferred to station DS-9 (tv series). The enemy of that show was known as The Diminion -and a galaxy wide war was ongoing. So, odd that the Flagship is sent in this mission, not on battle duty.
Filmed in Northern California. I quite like much of this film, but understand the critique.
27:37 Overall, a very fair review 👍👍👍👍 As a minor fact, the name of Ru'afo's second, Gallatin, is the name of a town in Montana, the region where Brannon Braga grew up 👍👍👍👍
The best of the NexGen feature films; it has a classic Trek plotline, Prime Directive dilemma, moral choices and so on. F. Murray chewing scenery as a baddie is always great as well.
“Browns and beiges, beiges and browns, earth tones people!”
- Harry S Plinkett
I love how they just gloss over the fact that the Son'a manufacture Ketracel-white for the Dominion. Like it's nothing.
That's like in the middle of WWII saying "Oh by the way, these people we're meeting make ammunition for the Germans."
Even worse than that seeing as discovering the formula for German ammo wasn't a key military objective for the allies in WWII like the White is in the Dominion War.
Life long trekker here, if you can't tell by my profile pic.
When this film come out it was praised as the Trek film to break the odd number. Only a few years later the admiration of this movie fell hard.
Now I like this one. Nemesis is a different beast and I consider it the worse of the classic Trek films.
But this film has obvious flaws. Let me break it down:
At the time of this film two Trek series were in production. Deep Space Nine had the Federation in a hot war with a faction called the Dominion. The Son'a are mentioned in this film to be allies with the Dominion, producing a vital drug needed to control their foot soldiers. Here the Federation is collaborating with a important ally of the Dominion which doesn't sit well.
As the Federation is in a hot war, which isn't going well for the Feds, The Dominion has a foot hole in Fed space, as they had invaded Betazed, Troi's home world. Why is the Enterprise playing diplomat instead of being on the front lines?
In the TNG episode Descent II, Data, being controlled by his evil brother Lore, is torturing Geordi and Geordi gets through to Data about talking about a time they were on the water and Data jumped in and sunk to the bottom and had to walk to shore. Here he's a flotation device and its for laughs.
Federation has a treaty with the Romulans about using cloaking devices. They have an exemption for the USS Defiant, but the holoship is in violation of this.
The TOS films worked because the series has a three men act (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) with a strong supporting cast and this translates well to movies. TNG was different. It was a true ensemble cast, which made it a better series but doesn't work for the movies. They had to choose characters to focus on (Picard, Data), strong support (Riker, Worf, Geordi) and supporting (Crusher, Troi)
The film is well directed. Music is great. Acting is on par, it just doesn't gel with the wider universe we were watching at the time
17:25 Yes: Sure... Admiral Dougherty was manipulated by Ru'afo.
It was SPECIFICALLY stated that he had continued to deny himself the benefits of the mission, to which he replied that he wanted to wait until those benefits could be shared by ALL of the Federation...
Regardless of Picard's moral grandstanding, Picard was on very shaky ground: A somewhat unpalatable action (by Picard's sensibilities) against a village-worth of people (who weren't even being kiIIed, merely moved, and would STILL have access to metaphasic medicine like everyone else in the Federation) with the benefit of improving the quality of life for BILLIONS of other people... As Surak of Vulcan said: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one...
In an attempt to moralize and have Picard and co 'be the heroes', the writers wrote themselves into the corner of the heroes losing sight of the Bigger Picture: The Ba'ku would have lost Nothing, other than their hoarded found-monopoly over the 'fountain of youth': Something which, as Admiral Dougherty stated, was never their birthright: They were never meant to be immortal... But because the benefits of metaphasics would have been shared with ALL of the Federation, they would still have had access to it...
And in a few moments, we see Admiral Dougherty, having realized how lied to and manipulated he had been by Ru'afo, attempt to stop him, and pay the price...
Admiral Dougherty is not a villain in this piece, he is a flawed hero...
A few points. Riker is well known to be a very competent Captain. He had turned down multiple offers to take Captain his own ship previously to remain with the Flagship of the fleet. It is written into the story of Nemesis that he has finally accepted Command of his own ship, and will be leaving to take over the brand new USS Titan following the events of Nemesis. (Ship is under construction) His romance with Troi here is a rekindling of an old flame. Its been known since the pilot episode of The Next Generation that they had been involved when he was stationed on her home planet. At times it was danced around being rekindled during the run of the show, but they never did.
Don’t spoil Nemesis for him… he said he would be watching it next.
I remember when this came out. Many people, including Roger Ebert, felt that Picard was in the wrong, and that the Admiral's argument for dislocating 600 people for the benefit of the wider Federation was acceptable. That point was the major point of discussion about the film at the time, yet the reactors I've seen watch it recently rarely address the dilemma. I wonder if the public attitude has shifted?
Unrelated side note: The previews before this film in the theaters were the first time we saw the trailer to Star Wars Episode I, the first new Star Wars to come out since 1983. A very memorable theater moment for someone who saw the Holy Trilogy in theaters as a kid.
Could have easily been an episode that they saved to extend into a movie. Fun and entertaining
The plot of this film is exactly the same as the TNG episode *Homebound* , minus the main villain.
Moving alien race from one planet to another while on the holodeck during journey
I didn't recognize him, but Anthony Zerbe is Dougherty. He was in Matrix and 'License to Kill' and played an Amish guy in 1970s Kung Fu. @17:42, and his head also exploded in 'License to Kill'!!
Writing this before watching your reaction: I think this is one of the Star Trek movies wich really hits the original tone that Gene Rodenberry had in mind. Yes it has it's flaws, but overall i love this movie, it is fun, it has a message and it has heart. There is nothing really to hate about this. Now let's see what you think. Shan. Reaction. CZcams. Let's goooo.
The little boy was the guy who initially had a crush on Bella in Twilight.
You aren't planning to watch the J.J. Abrams' Star Trek film trilogy on here?
According to Film Scouts, locations for shooting this film included "Lake Sherwood, near Thousand Oaks, California, and the mountains above Lake Sabrina in the Sierra Nevada."
Shan, once again a great review! I enjoy watching you on your trip to the much beloved Star Trek universe. And I hope that one day you'll get around to watching some of the shows. For the next one you should probably read at least some background on the Dominion War and the history of Federation-Romulan relations.
I could be wrong about this, I don't remember where I first came across the idea, but the collector set was built with the bluescreen setting because I believe that they originally intended to have the outside space battle visible in the background. But these effects ended up not being done because of budgetary reasons.
Unfortunately ILM wasn't available because they were working on Star Wars Episode 1.
A singular Borg is called a Borg...MULTIPLE are ALSO called Borg..."We are the Borg"
I have a Star Trek Hallmark Borg Cube talking Ornament .... It still works after 20 years! Every time I turn the lights in my bedroom it Greets me! Residstance Is Futile!
In the show, Riker and Troi were former lovers at some point before the show started, with plenty of references to it over the show. Later on, her and Worf were together for a time.
The biggest issue I have with this film is how underwhelming it is. This takes place in the middle of the Dominion War, and there’s maybe an offhand reference to it. What Deep Space 9 was doing on television was far more interesting and impactful to the Star Trek universe than this movie. Seems like they should have done something far more substantial, especially with a war that threatened the federation’s very existence going on at that moment.
This is one of my favorites! F. Murray Abraham, AKA Salieri, is so good 👍
Oh yeah, the River Maneuver!?!? 😲 What a legend!
Good review as always. I think most of the criticism from this movie is because the steaks were not as high and “first contact” is a hell of a hard film to follow.
By the way, Riker and Troi’s relationship is not new. They were lovers before the Next Generation even started, and had been just very close friends throughout the series (Riker pursued his career instead of a permanent thing with Deanna). There was always a subtext that they still cared more for each other than that, but you didn’t get to see it until this movie.
Good afternoon, Shan! Hope you are well!
Many Trek fans hated this movie when it came out. (And you know I'm a DEEP lore Star Wars fan... but I also love me some Star Trek, as well....) Personally, I loved this movie, and out of all of the "extras" (non-main characters) Anig was my absolute favorite. She carried herself with an almost innocent sensuality that was directly opposed to her age. Also, she spoke one of the most profound lines in the film, "It took me 300 years to learn it doesn't take 300 years to learn." That line hit me upside the head so hard (and in theaters, nonetheless). For some reason, THAT line was something I completely understood, while it confused many others. It was a measure of clarity that is rarely seen.
I was 31 when this hit theaters, and I was excited for it. Because of the tone of First Contact, I expected a more lighthearted installment, and I wasn't disappointed. But it was still very cerebral, while mixing in enough action to make the cerebral stuff stand out for most people.
Much like the Star Wars films, I've seen all of the "original" 10 movies in theaters. While I **DO** want to see your reaction to Nemesis, I will say that I found it to be the weakest of the TNG movies. Still not as bad as Star Trek V, though.
And yes, some of the visual effects in Insurrection look "dated", but to be honest, so much time and money was spent on the CGI scenes that looked amazing, there was little left for the ones that showed poorly (by comparison to the ones that looked amazing).
I get your confusion in the first act. A lot of the info was placed in, what I would call, "out of order". Knowing that the Baccu weren't indigenous to the planet should have come earlier. At least in my opinion. Otherwise, I think it was okay. Of course, upon re-watches, you see the subtle "Hold on, what are THEY doing here?" as opposed to the "OMG!!! WITCHES!!!!" mentality one would expect of a midievil village.
I enjoyed your reaction to this one. Personally, I didn't like the newer "Reboot" movies, but as always, make up your own mind on them.
Please DO include the Abrams Treks. I think, once you do the first one, you will agree with me that these ARE part of the cannon. I will have to leave it at that to avoid spoilers.
The soundtrack is excellent. I actually own it on CD.
Seriously dude, you should check out the best episodes from Next Generation (not for patreon or for youtube, for yourself).
For example: Inner Light, Tapestry (i guarantee you will cry at both of those first ones), Frame of Mind, Lower Decks, Yesterday Enterprise, Chain of Command part 1 and 2, Measure of a Man, Drumhead, Darmok etc.
But there are many more brilliant ones, for example the episode where it is explained why all races have a humanoid base: The Chase
Shan has watched several TNG episodes before he started his reactions of the TNG movies. I don't remember which episodes but they were specifically recommended to him by his patrons to prepeare for the movies.
@@uzul42 yea, they were the Borg ones, i remember that.
But imo he will enjoy those episodes for sure.
My personal problem with this film is that it stands in direct opposition to the TV show. For one thing it completely flies in the face of the Prime Directive, and secondly it makes Picard into a petty hypocrite. Vomiting moral indignation against a position he previously championed and actions he previously carried out. Picard is partially responsible for creating the Maquis and reigniting conflict with the Cardassians, because it's seemingly okay to relocate much larger groups of people against their will so long as none of them are a chick that Picard has the hots for. And FYI, the Cardassian Border treaty that Picard helped enforce was a WAY worse deal than this situation.
Insurrection is one of my favorites. I think Gene Roddenberry would have really liked it too. Very true to the spirit of Star Trek.
the aliens are called at 4:42 are called the Evora if you were wondering
Another immediate click from me. I really enjoy it, but yeah, reactions to this movie are mixed. I love that the love interest isn't 23.
Anthony Zerbe was such a good actor.
This movie was much more like an extended episode than a full blown movie!!! but still a great watch!!! and a Great review!!
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
This movie tends to be the toughest one for me to figure out. There are a lot of fit and finish issues, but the main issue is that a lot of fans are on Dougherty's side because there was a major war happening on Deep Space Nine and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". My response to that is "Didn't Trek 3 reject that? Go read Spock's World and Diane Duane's words for Kirk on that issue".
And honestly, you're more right than you think about it not being a standalone movie. They mention in a throwaway line that the Sona make drugs for the Federation's enemies, the Dominion, and it's something you have to know DS9 to realize, then you go "how did they not see this coming"? That's a fit-and-finish thing about the script that I had an issue with, I must admit, some of the references were not well thought out. I still like this movie though, just don't love it, if that makes any sense...
Thinking back on this movie, the day that my buddy and I went to see it (which I think was opening night), The US House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, approved articles of impeachment against Clinton. I remember talking to my friend about it while we were getting some Wendy's food, then we went to this movie.
I think youre a little confused about the Federation of Planets. It's not just humans in the Federation. The Federation is a group of many different planets with many different races and alien species.
really sweet music by jerry goldsmith one of reasons i like this star trek movie the most.
So, as you may be aware there is a Star Trek Picard series. It is currently in its 3rd and final season.
The 3rd season has been described as a 10hr final Next Generation film. Robert Meyer Burnett, independent filmmaker - dvd documentarian - professional editor - industry professional and noted Trek luminary, has been VERY vocal about how good this season is. He was very unhappy with the prior two seasons of Picard and recent Trek in general.
I would strongly urge you to wrap up your Next Generation movie run with the final season of Picard. I’m am very curious to see your feelings on it. It’s currently on episode 6 of 10 on Paramount +.
Aw yas. Been waiting what seems a while for this. Somehow missed notification as always drop what im doing to watch. Always drop note before you watch. Really interested to see what you think and cant wait for Nemesis reaction too
I’ve enjoyed your reactions! Did you finish the series of films? I don’t see a reaction to Nemesis 🤷🏻♂️
The one thing I didn't like in this movie was having Data take out his emotion chip. The producers said they wanted to go back to Data learning what it means to be human but it felt like a step backwards for the character.
I know some fans saw the Holadeck twist sooner then others.
You think they would have learned from the 3rd season TNG episode "Who Watches The Watchers" with the hidden lookout points
Whilst the next film is the last of the TNG films, there are 3 more Star Trek Films that follow a alternative timeline (all produced by JJ Abrams)
omfg i just realized who this little boy grew up into... WOOOOOWWWW
I have a soft spot for this one as I view it to be the most morally complex of all the Star Trek films to date.
Remember TNG episode, *Homebound* cuz that it what this film reminds me of.
Check out TREKKIES (1997). A documentary about STAR TREK fans
I wonder why Picard’s hair didn’t start to grow back on the planet’s surface…
Many people didn’t like it, but I really did. It really had the same feel as the tv series
Of the TNG movies, First Contact is my favorite and Insurrection is my next favorite. ST: IV The Voyage Home is my favorite of the original movies.
I am loving that you do not count the Abrams movies as Trek movies.
They are though. Fact.
Don't be a toxic fan all your life
@@RichO1701e agreed. I have no issue with a remaining done correctly.
The manner in which they handled justifying the changes they made (trying to be careful not to do spoilers here), it is perfectly buyable!
Most of all, having that ONE "surprise" star around which the justification revolves, how can someone NOT count it as cannon Trek?
@@RichO1701e Spoilers!!
It's not about being "A toxic fan" It's about knowing and feeling that the title given to something doesn't mean it has the same feel. Star trek was always trying to tell stories about humanity in an intelligent and thoughtful way, The JJ verse films were about lens flares and explosive action. And honestly very little intelligence was involved, ie Kirk a cadet who hadn't even graduated, Became the captain Dispite being about the furthest person from the line of succession on the ship. Why is the security officer the only one with demolition charges to take out the drill on a chain. And why were they such an incompetent d**k who jeopardized an entire planet and got them selves killed in a particularly dumb fashion lol.. What has the romulan ship and crew been doing for the twenty ish years between their arrival and Spock showing up? Playing cards? Speaking of the Romulan ship, Is that the most impractical design for a starship ever or what? 🤣. When that ship is being devoured by the singularity Kirk offers to evacuate the crew from it as in his words there is no way for it to escape destruction, Yet he feels the need to get dangerously close in order to finish it with torpedoes, Almost getting the enterprise & it's crew ripped to pieces. And was only saved by a hail Mary warp core ejection and detonation to blast them clear 😬😳.. Captain Kirk? Captain idiot more like.. 🤣
@@greenpeasuit cannon trek is a great expression for Abrams movies. I'm sorry, my problem is the complete disregard and probably complete disinterest in the material on the side of Abrams. He just blew up much of the trek universe's history so he could start fresh and do whatever the hell he pleased. At the same time some of the stories are complete rip-offs, like You Know Which One, which is basically a - less competent - copy of You Know Which One, or they are totally hollow and unbelievable in terms of storytelling. The cast was great, I give him that, but apart from that, it's screen glare, explosions and emptiness.
Edited to reduce spoilers.
@@antonnurwald5700 I completely disagree. I see it as "what would Trek have looked like, had this one thing been different." Therefore, even THAT one would play out differently, but it would have played out! So, Abrams played it out differently.
I would love to see all of the rest of the original series movies tackled as the events that would still have happened thus happen with a universe changed by the events of the initial reboot movie.
Have you watched galaxy quest yet? I honestly can't remember if you have. If so it will make a great endcap to your star trek journey
Glad you liked it. I thought it was better than first contact
Star Trek V and Star Trek: Insurrection hold the title as the only 2 Star Trek movies I literally can't sit all the way through before getting up to go do something else. Even The Motion Picture (aka the really slow and boring one) manages to suck me in to what's happening. The other two though ... I always check out around the 2nd Act.
I don't know if you had planed to watch the three newer Star Trek Reboot movies starting with the 2009 Star Trek. They are set in what is known as the "Kelvin time line" and I would very much recommend them. There are some surprises that tie them to the original movies nicely and I'm sure you would enjoy them.
7:43 Maybe something our civilization should think about...
I think Dougherty really wanted to use it to help people. We don't get to see much of him but he didn't seem to be chasing fame or glory. Whenever he talks about his motivation it's about "helping billions of people" and "it was all for the Federation". And as awful as it is, you can see his point - six hundred people who are not native to the planet have access to something that could literally help billions if not trillions of people across the galaxy.
Doesn't justify it or make it right, but he had a point.
I haven't seen this one since it was in theaters. I need to go back and give it a second look. I think I was just too young back then to get it.
Really enjoy your reactions. Please do the new Star Trek movies too, they are superb!
I am really looking forward to your reaction to Nemesis! Many didn't like it for a few reasons that will be clear to you after you watch, but IMO it's in the top 5 of TOS + TNG Trek films. not the best (Wrath Kahan) or worst (Final Frontier)
But who plays the antagonist is the best discovery. I always thought he was OK but his most famous antagonist, to quote, him saying, "that comes later".
Insurrection isn’t a bad movie. To me it suffers from being too much like a long episode of the series. But that might be what a lot of people appreciate about it.
Massively underrated movie. I loved it.
You should watch the Next Generation Episodes - - "Thine Own Self." and "Who Watches the Watchers."
It’s a really good movie. Light and refreshing after the intensity of FC
A great number of Star Trek episodes, perhaps the majority, deal with the ways in which worldly or utopian attachments can turn people into destructive villains when they become obsessed with the unattainable. For Khan it was creating übermenschen. In "The Search for Spock" and "Generations," as here, it's eternal youth. For the Borg, it's creating order in life and eliminating differences. In many other cases, it's trying to create a problem-free society, or to bring back a lost loved one. In almost all cases, the subject ends up dying and bringing others down with him.
I always liked this one. I see the issues people have, but I still enjoy it. I am one of those who discovered next gen first, before tos, so that may be some of the reason. I have come to enjoy the Kirk films later in life.
The whole interior of the collector is surrounded by a blue screen, clearly intended for background extension. It looks like they ran out of money, and never bothered...
This is my personal favorite of TNG movies because it was most like an episode of the TV show. The next one, Nemesis, is my least favorite. Sadly it was the last of TNG movies. Not a great way to end the story for these characters that I care about so much. That said, I’ll take a bad Star Trek movie over most of the other trash out there.
When you get to the newest Star Trek movies, which I assume you're going to watch. I think you may be pleasantly surprised. Especially the first one.
There is a big problem in this movie: The colletor sets has blue walls beacuase actually the set it was meant to be half phisically half created by CGI annd those blue wall were blue screen that on post production should had been changed by digital sets. But due to budget issues they didnót make the digital matte effects in poostproduction and for that reason the novie looks unpolished and unfinished.
I never saw this one..but it looks very interesting. I had the previous instalment wich was "first contact" on VHS once and I played it over and over..that was such a great movie...I will see this movie soon..did you know it is out on 4K at least in my country..so that would be a great opportunity wouldn't it...What I liked about the series was: it was never so much focust on violence, explosions etc but more on exploring and discovering other worlds..the more phylosophical and political way
Frakes is #1
Probably filmed in BC is my guess.
Of course everyone has their personal preferences when it comes to which Star Trek movies they enjoy more than others. I generally find something to appreciate in all of them. Personally, I enjoyed this movie more than Star Treks 3, 4 & 5 with TOS cast, as much as Star Trek: First Contact (even though it is almost an entirely different sub-genre), and it's even superior (in my opinion) than Star Trek: Into Darkness with its fake, non-Montalban antagonist.
I wonder if the crew would have reacted the same way if the Baku were insectoids or arachnids or something normally repulsive to humans.
I do like this movie, but I like all Star Trek movies, I have always wondered why the Federation would do business with the Son’a knowing that they are doing business with the Dominion while the Federation are fighting a devastating war with the Dominion, which has cost millions of lives, the Son’a are producing a drug called Ketracel White A drug that the Jem’Hadar the soldiers of the Federation need to survive and fight, why would the Federation even in secret deal with the Son’a.
Will you be doing the reboots?
It's fine. A solid Trek movie. The location shooting is nice and Frakes does a good job directing. I always found the fx to be dissapointng - visually kinda flat and uninspiring. No ILM this time and it shows.
you should check out Short Circuit 1 & 2
Apparently I’m in the minority in fandom but for some reason I love this movie to bits. Maybe it’s the different tone?
Insurrection is a basic tv episode
I’ve heard that said many times over the decades, but I don’t think it’s really an insult. Many of the two-part episodes would have been amazing as movies. So if this is in that group, then I think that’s good enough.
20:39 Noo, Data and Artim was just creepy... #ConductUnbecomingAStarfleetOfficer
Are you going to react to Nemesis?! I might be in the minority here but I love that movie. Tom Hardy is great in it.
People crap on this one, but for me it is still better than Generations. I like it (don't love it).