GT2052 Turbo Install / Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD / I Killed The Last Turbo....
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- A begrudged rebuild of my GT2052 Turbo on the Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD. I used the wrong material hose for the oil drain on the last build which resulted in the pipe expanding and collapsing causing a complete block of oil returning to the sump. This caused a huge build up of oil pressure in the turbo which compromise the seals, spewing oil out of the exhaust and intake. Fortunately not enough to cause a run away.
You live and learn!
Thanks for watching.
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Build Components -
Turbo Materials:
GT2052 (727264-5001S) - www.speeding.n...
Oil Feed - M10x1.0 to 1/8 npt -www.streetperf...
T25 Gaskets (x2) - www.speeding.n...
T25 Turbo Heat Cover - www.speeding.n...
Universal Oil Feed Line - www.ebay.co.uk...
Intercooler Materials:
Universal 2" Intercooler Pipe Kit - www.ebay.co.uk...
Universal One Sided Intercooler - www.ebay.co.uk...
Gauges:
EGT Gauge - www.ebay.co.uk...
Boost Gauge - www.speeding.n...
You will have to source a 1/8npt to 1/8npt Boost line -
Manifold Extension Build Materials:
Manifold Extension Pipe 90 degree (x4) - www.j-spec.se/...
Manifold Extension Pipe Straight x1 - www.j-spec.se/...
T25 Stainless Flange (x2) - www.speeding.n...
Exhaust Wrap - www.j-spec.se/...
Intake Materials:
2" to 3" intake adapter - www.j-spec.se/...
3" aluminium 90 degree bend - www.j-spec.se/...
3" Silicone Coupling for Air Box - www.j-spec.se/...
Universal; Air Intake CLOSED - www.ebay.co.uk...
You will need to find a suitable air intake system as there are many types.
Stainless Exhaust Materials:
2.5" Flexi - www.j-spec.se/...
2.5" 90 degree x1 - www.j-spec.se/...
2.5" Straight - x2 www.j-spec.se/...
2.5" 45 degrees x1 - www.j-spec.se/...
Some materials will require sourcing at the time of construction but this is the basis of the downpipe and the first parts of the exhaust up to the silencer.
A begrudged rebuild of my GT2052 Turbo on the Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD. I used the wrong material hose for the oil drain on the last build which resulted in the pipe expanding and collapsing causing a complete block of oil returning to the sump. This caused a huge build up of oil pressure in the turbo which compromise the seals, spewing oil out of the exhaust and intake. Fortunately not enough to cause a run away.
You live and learn!
Thanks for watching.
Just got mine running with similar mods. Managed to break the injector leak off, off of no1 injector using the wrong socket to tighten it. Had to drill and tap it making damn sure I did not drop any shit inside. All good fun, I am going to sell it and but a Toyota corolla.
Don't Down play yourself Mike your one hell of a fabricator and mechanic keep up the great work
Mike, you are far more a professional than most so called professionals in most garages these days. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. I would trust you with my car without a second thought, whereas I don't trust a single garage on earth. I look up to you and respect all you do.
Good to see you again, Mike. 😊
Your energy in this vdeo was so sassy. You seem in such a positive zone having fun with everything. Reminded me of you and Zeds excursion years ago. You’re definitely back firing on all cylinders my friend. D😎🇺🇸🤙
Learning from own mistake is the best way to learn, been there, done that...
I was trying to note down all the double entendres in that video, but I had to rub one out.
😂
The noise should drown Meg out 😂
top VM expert ! helped me narrow down my wee leaky seal problem :) £500 later I have no leaky leaks :)
Your humor is really coming out in this one! 😀
Love the channel and videos! I felt really bummed about messing up my battery the other day, but seeing you bounce back from a way more complex issue inspired me to get back to working on my Jeep.
You are such a dirty birdy …. Love it 😂
Nice build , very inspiring.
I like the have a crack at it attitude .
These jobs can be a real grind but its great to get a result and then enjoy the benefits, nice one mate
Thanks mate, appreciate the comment and for watching 👀 👍
I am not a car guy, but you made this very enjoyable!
Great videos mate! hydraulic hose is what you need. It all I use, you never have to replace it.
Hello Mike. The lad jokes are freakin hilarious! 😂
Hey Mike. Great video! I very much enjoy your sense of humour lol.
Thanks for sharing your reality. It’s all trial and error. I’ve been working on my xj for the last 10yrs. It’s similar to yours in terms of mods.. Except 4.5” lift and 33”. And mine has the 4.0. But I’ve made plenty of mistakes over the years. So it’s nice to hear I’m not the only one ha ha. Just finished wiring up an electric fan on a time delay relay. (3min the e fan stays on for when I flick the switch). Really helps keep the 4.0 fuel rail cool after it’s switched off on a hot day. To stop heat soak and vaporizing the fuel in the fuel rail/injectors.
Jeep is booked in June 12th at the local 4wd shop for front and rear Detroit truetrac’s and 4:56 gears. (I don’t have the tools to do it and don’t want to mess it up. Never done diffs before).
Will report back to you how I like them and what they behave like, especially in the winter.
Thanks for the videos Mike. You inspire many a viewer. 👊
Ah nice that would be good to get some feedback on the lockers. I desperately want some but I'm so undecided and worried about ice road behaviour.
Sounds like you have a similar build but a more sensible lift and tires. I often wonder if I should have stayed at 33's. Alas... I'm in balls deep now so...
I hope this turbo setup lasts this time. I think I will make a solid oil feed line and make it as short as possible to stop any possible starvation on startup. I hope your gearing and install goes well, I bet you can't wait, those are some nice upgrades. Thanks for watching and the comment 😀
Getting these truetrac’s and gears installed. Feels like I’m a kid and I know I’m off to Disney in a week lol.
I’m honestly mainly excited for the on road performance. Being able to keep up with traffic on the highway etc.
My next set of tires Mike will be Ko2 33”. But only 10.5” wide. I think they will be a good all around balance. Mpg. Highway ice performance/off road traction. Higher pressure per square inch. But still good diff clearance. I don’t have a lot of deep mud around here. I think they will also cut through snow better, but of course will not be great in deep deep snow. But it would be interesting to see. On the same trail at the same time. Swap them out for a 12.5” wide version. And see if they did any better.
I know you did not have a good experience with them Mike. But perhaps because they were 12.5” wide?
I plan to air them down to 8-10 psi ( I don’t have bead locks). And get some chains.
Now a set of tracks for the jeeps…..we could pretty much go anywhere I would think! Maybe Mike that’s a future project for you….Lockers or no lockers. I don’t think your jeep will go in much deeper snow than you can already.
I think lockers will help you get a little further. And will help you back out of deep snow.
Looking forward to the next video. 👊
That jeep will still be going when your son is old enough to take it off you does that sound about right 👍🏻🏴
I think that's the plan. Perhaps it will have an electric motor in it when he's my age.
Fantastic, new vid time!
Hey. Big fan of your channel. I actually own a phase two VM diesel XJ. Mine isn’t the quickest thing on the road and I wondered what the horsepower of yours was after all your turbo/intercooler enhancements? You’ve done a great job of the build. 👍🏻
Hey, thanks for watching! Its hard to say because I have not officially had it measured.
I would say at the most somewhere up to 150hp from how it feels and drives. I guess at standard they are 116hp so given the mods an extra 30+hp or more is pretty resonable to imagine. I've had the vehicle for almost 10 years and its the heaviest its ever been yet feeling much more powerful than it ever has. I think the slight pump advancement, performance fuel pin and the turbo have all helped with this of course. I have done other jobs like rebuilt injectors, checked for boost leaks, slightly better intercooler, solid intercooler pipes and short ones. These are just small things to try and support the main mods and reduce lag and things (I'm sure I could do more also).
I know a chap who is very much into this engine and he is a n engine builder by trade. Hes moded his in a similar way, although a different turbo. His dynoed at 153hp and said that this is probabaly the best its going to get with these kinds of mods. To get more power he is going to modify the Fuel Pump barrel to allow it to support up to 200hp. He also mentioned that he would then choose a different turbo to make use of this. His concern with 200hp is the crank shaft bearings and con rods getting a hard time. Hes obviously a professional and he knows what hes doing and will most likely take the engine to its limits and if he kills it he will rebuild it im sure.
For me personally this is as far as I will go given I want reliability but also to maximise available power without risk of destroying the engine itself. I think if I did go further it would be a different turbo or a smaller intercooler. Or better yet a less aggressive tire tred.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Thabks for taking the time to reply. Unfortunately mine was involved in an accident due to some Wally brain over taking on a blind corner on the wrong side of the road but it’s back together now. Just waiting to get it into the Bodyshop. Very cool of you to take the time to reply though. I’ll post a pic of mine on here when it’s all back together. 👍🏻
@@larrylupo2915 Ah shit that's a shame. I hope its repairable! You can't drive for others sadly. Would love to see it once its all back together, hope it goes well!
Hi Mike, you wil find a solution I am Sure!
Your humor never gets old man.
Edit: Big what if here, but if you were to shit the XJ down the drain, what vehicle would you use to replace it?
I would probabaly go for a Landrover Discovery 2 or something else in moderately comfortable but capable offroad. Thanks for watching!
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Oh boy; you really love to spend time wrenching don’t you? 🤣 #JustGetADamnToyotaAndBeHappy
Omg Mike you said a few profanities 😂
you are pleased with that set up would you recomend another turbo maybe one from a mercedes 2.5 or 3.0??
i am not looking for huge power cause i am afraid of the engine health...
looking for 140-150 hp top
I would say its a perfect turbo for that power range. You can get a bit more if you wanted and it would still run fine. Its just about the temps really. A new fuel pin, slight pump advancement, open exhaust and this turbo and it will be a huge difference.
But just with this turbo it will be a big difference, it makes boost very fast and spools up early so you get a good range of power.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness new answers comes with new questions...😅
you have any video of pump adjustment also what you think about delete EGR ...???
thank you in advance my friend!!!
@@andreaskanarios9000 I don't have a specific video of the pump adjustments, just snippets here and there across videos. I deleted my egr because of the build up of soot in the intake manifold.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness thank you my friend for your answer!!
you have a fb page?
If you send me the part number for the sending unit I will check to see what I can find. I will also need the year and what engine is in the Jeep. I might not be able to find the correct sending unit but it never hurts to look.
Here is the part number K56041506AA. I cant seem to find it anywhere anymore. Its a 1999 with a 425ohv 2.5vm diesel engine. 2nd generation engine. Thank you, appreciate the offer 🙏
Can you please tell me if that’s a 1, 2, or 3 wire sending unit also is this for a gauge or a light or combination switch. And last is this a pressure or oil temperature unit.
I have a couple of buddies looking into it for me. In the past they have come through with some NOS parts. ( New Old Stock ). Give me a few days and hopefully just maybe I can get Lucky.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness hey buddy, I’ve checked on that part and much like yourself I couldn’t find anything on that part number. The only thing me and my friends came up with was a sending unit for a 2.8 diesel for a 2007 wrangler. But that’s a different part number. I did try and I’m sorry I was unable to help.
Appreciate you trying mate 🙏 thanks for getting back to me. I will figure something out eventually I imagine.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness
No problem, I wish I could do more. Anyway that you could use an aftermarket type gauge and sending unit.
Did you ever have any overheating problems with the transmission. It has fresh oil but after a 30min drive you can't even touch it.
I've not experienced that no. Is there any noise?
Possible a dead input or output bearing? If you drain off a little oil is it discoloured?
There is a noise coming from the transfer case if I push the clutch, while driving it's silent. I mean it's a jeep so. Could be the heat from the engine but yeah
Transmissions do get super hot. As long as its not so hot that the oil is braking down then its probably okay. Everything in the Tcase and transmission and still spinning when you put you foot on the clutch while moving so perhaps it's as something simple as a throw out bearing? Or the problem is only present under load.
When stationary and idle, is there a noise then? Does it go away when the clutch is pressed
If you have the GT2052, why not try the GT2052v?
Maybe even go a bit bigger since you go the VNT route, something like GT2256v, GT2260v or GT2359v?
VNT turboes on diesels are really sweet in my experience :)
Is that manifold to turbo adapter all that is holding the turbo in place or do you have a support bracket from the turbo to block or similar?
Maybe you are using thick gas/pressure pipes for the adapter instead of thin exhaust pipes.
I expect this wont be the end of my shenanigans but I do like the performance from this turbo. It spools up pretty early at 1500rpm and seems to take me up to 2500rpm maintaining power. Perhaps in the future I will revisit this again with a VNT turbo, but its been very reliable, despite my mistakes.
The manifold pipe is about 3mm thick so its fairly sturdy and there is also a bracket supporting the down pipe from underneath, although not that tough it probabaly helps a bit.
I use to have a bracket holding the turbo to the intake manifold but scrapped it due to thermal expansion. I may try and build something else to support it but I think it will be okay.
Thanks for watching and the info!
hi Mike, how did you choose an appropriate sized turbo? I have a 3.8L 6 cylinder VM in my defender, and would like to change the turbo to a variable vane type. I'd be grateful for any advice you can give.
Hey! I don't know much about Variable Vane Turbos. My friend in the UK who had drift car business advised me against them as they always seize up eventually. My mates doge with a 6cyl Cummins seems to have this happen. But anyway that's up to you of course! I looked at the compressor map for the gt2052 and just looked at the rpm ranges and its performance range. I run my engine up to about 2500 rpm so having a turbo that doesn't spool up until 3000 is pointless. So the GT2052 comes in at about 1500 and tops out at 2500 which is perfect for the size of engine I have.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness When you say rpm ranges, i assume you mean engine rpm and not turbo? I have found the compressor maps on the Garrett website, but where did you get rpm and performance range from?
I mean, the engine rpm ranges. The standard engine performance is something like max torque at 2000rpm. The compression map showed the turbo performance at 77 percent between 1.5 and 2 bar. It peaked off and began to drop off after 2.5 bar. So, based on that, it seemed a good match for a small diesel engine.
I'm not really explaining it well because I'm not an expert on this subject. I can't find the other compression map I used, which showed the turbos performance in relation to a 2L TD engine rpm range and the performance of the turbo. I found another for another GT series. It was quite useful because you could see how the turbo performed alongside the engine
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Thanks mike, i understand what you mean now. I think. hahaha Don't suppose you know how your mate with the Cummins controlled the turbo vanes?
Where did you get the parts to rebuild the injectors?
All I replaced on them was the nozzles. All the other parts of the injector I just cleaned and resembled. You can run them through a manual tester after this to check the spray pattern and if they leak.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness thanks. Did you order the nozzles or are they "universal" ?
They are specific to this vehicle and these injectors - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274976107734?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=lpbViFmZQ4-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
I think this is a good link. It's not the most difficult job but I would advice buying a long number 28 socket and cutting the bottom off so that it can be clamped in a vice. You can then drop the injector into it and use a huge spanner and pipe to twist the top off without cracking the housing.
I cracked three spare injector housings before making this jigg.
Thanks so much🙏
hi
do you have any values, what is the current performance? HP and Nm?
I need to dyno my engine to get anything concrete. A guy I know with a similar setup dynoed his at around 160hp and 400nm of torque. Every engine and setup is different, so I can't base my build off of his results, but I'm fairly certain it's around there.
I'm very happy with the performance of the vehicle, although it took me quite a long time to tune the pump and turbo. I'm looking to find someone to dyno it.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness didn't there start a problem with the engine overheating after the performance modification? Because I have the same vm engine, I drive on the serial transmission 3.73 on 33 wheels, I have the cooling converted to 3 electric fans and in the long hills on the road in the summer the temperature is almost 100 degrees. I'm thinking about changing the gear to 4:56. Do you think the change will help reduce the engine temperature in the cases I mentioned?
@@shawarsh777 The Coolant temps and exhaust gas temperatures are very stable. EGT's don't normally go above 580c at the very most. Coolant temps stay around 90c. If I push the Jeep in 5th at like 110kph (80mph) up long hills in the summer then coolant temps can creep up to 100c. But I don't see that as a problem with a modern coolant. The Jeeps pulls around 20psi of boost in these conditions with a FM intercooler so there is a good amount of charge air going through the system.
Its all a bit of a balancing act I think but regearing to 4.56 will help you lower the load on the engine, bring up the rpm range and reduce overheating.
The cooling system is pretty shit on these old engines. HOAT coolant will help in a 60/40 ratio.
What turbo do you have on the engine?
@@WorkshoptoWilderness I still have the stock turbo, but in the future I want to do performance modifications. I also thought about replacing the engine with an M57 from BMW, but it would be a much more expensive build
An M57 is a good swap. My mate literally just did one in his navara. Performance wise, they are brilliant, although I personally don't like the electronics dependency. I could live with it, though, because it's a nice engine. Maybe in a couple of years, I will attempt one.
The stock turbo isn't bad, but you can always upgrade it if you wanted.
Sorry Mike, but no matter how much gravel pelts the jeep, no matter how loud you turn the stereo up, no matter how hard you jam those earplugs in, you can never completely drown out a wife's complaining. They run at a specific frequency, like a dog whistle, that even if you're in the next town, or even country, you'll always hear that inherent screeching, nagging, eyeball bleeding whine, even while you're asleep.
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🤣😅 I think you're probably right. Probably should go doorless