What happens after South Africa has fallen?
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- During a recent conversation in Johannesburg, South Africa, Douglas Murray remarked that he often hears talk about bringing things to an end, but rarely about what ought to be done once the destruction has taken place. In South Africa, it’s certainly true that some things have to be brought to an end, but the question remains: what then?
In this video, I discuss why the problem in South Africa is bigger than the ruling party - why there are some inherent structural problems. Furthermore, I explore some ideas on what a more sustainable system might look like.
Watch the full Douglas Murray, Gareth Cliff, JJ Tabane conversation here: • Democracy Unplugged : ...
Read the mentioned opinion piece here: www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion...
In 1994 we were sold a dream. In 2024 we want a refund.
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That's putting it in a nutshell
There is no money left 😉
We didn't "sell" anything......we still have it, we must just rebuild what's left........
If you want apartheid you can go back on you raft and and row for Holland, not here you shitpaste.
I am a Xhosa man some how i've never found this man offensive to anything i've heard him say. South Africa need us all to stand up and fight for what is good. I don't need handouts i am smart, i need a working South Africa with its people, those people are all skin colours in this country.
please help stop B.E.E... its pushing us back to a race based society..
I am an offensive white man.
It is so refreshing to hear you say that. Be careful that other backs don't paint you with a "brainwashed" brush. Everyone that don't agree with the anc, zuma and malema get painted with that brush.
Be a major non-nato allie a country with liberal economic policies capitalist system and federalism with states 👍 (you can be a major non-nato allie but still do business with russia and china look at the gulf states in the middle east) 👍
Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to attack your stand point of "South Africa needs us all...", then how about first if all imprisson Julius Malema and the other hot shots of the EFF for Life and crush the organisation and do the same with Anyone involved with the boer morde (spelling?). I do know and understand that the Apparteid era was a shitty thing, I'm not advocating for it in Any way... but "The sins of the father" and all that. And Then hopefully South Africa can start healing and coming together properly. That's just My own take on it.
"It's much easier to hold people accountable if they are closer to the people they are governing." A great argument for decentralized government, and the main reason why we're not going to get it.
Absolutely!!! 😢
Bingo!
Spot on that's why this country can even be controlled from Europe by people who don't have any connection to our society.
@@MmetxaRuth-sp7km Sounds about right yes. Russia is considered to be part of Europe. If you add the other chommie, China, you can say Rectumzania is governed from Eurasia.
When Thomas Jefferson said “The government closest to the people serves the people best”, he was referring to form-of-government closeness and not to ethnicity. However, it is of the very nature of life that, for the most part, people are closer to their own kin.
Sounds like the genuinely good people are waking up to the fact that they don't have to swollow the evil being feed to them 🤷🏼♀️ About Bloody Time 🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼
South Africa needs to be federalist.
And voting for individual people to represent you in government that are accountable to you.
Vote for OHM if you want this.
I read somewhere, that it was proposed during the independence discussions with the British after the second Boer war, but the British rejected it, and insisted we have a central government that governs all the land in a uniform way.
We have an overabundance of idiots in this country with a lot of anger and hatred. Even if individuals get voted for the priorities of the people are wrong.
OHM is already trying to do this:
ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf
That is the way to go. Each tribe must govern itself . We'll all be more happier.
Why is no one else talking like this. Some very valid points. Great thinking Ernst.
OHM is already doing this. They are contesting the national elections to do exactly this. Here is the System Change plan:
ohm.org.za/gallery/Political%20Overhaul%20of%20the%20Electoral%20System%202024.pdf
It's crazy to see the statistics of a tiny country like Singapore vs a much larger country like South Africa. We never really hhad a democracy, only a Kakistocracy empowered by a majority of the mentally challenged.
Excellent presentation, can't fault it on a single point, thank you!
you didnt notice how ..pale...the gathering is...?
Infrastructure and financial problems will only go away after years of careful management. And getting most to move in the right direction will be difficult
how bout the elite stop screwing us with currency manipulation first??
Community based government is the best way forward for our country.
"What happens after South Africa has fallen?" We must be ready when this happens otherwise we might suffer horrible consequences. The only people who will survive and be better off will be the Oranians.
South Africa will only fall because of the corrupt and inept central government. It can be saved by sweeping reforms that ensure free market economics as well as governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups.
@@humanbeing4841 "governing autonomy to cultural and linguistic ethnic groups" Here is the problem, the "central government" is not interested in it and is calling it apartheid. We MUST organize ourselves into self-sufficient communities where we provide services to our people so that we can become independent.
@@nedor64 The irony of calling such a structure "apartheid", is that apartheid is fundamentally an authoritarian ideology that requires a central government to be instituted. Under a federal model, no apartheid can exist because there is not monopoly of state control to enforce such an policy. Organizing into self-sufficient communities is merely de-jure federalism however I am arguing for a de-facto federalism.
@humanbeing4841 agree, a federal system should have been strived for from the beginning. The NP negotiators were out of their depth during Codesa. They basically told us what a good job they've done, then wiped the dirt of their hands and disappeared. Leaving us to live under a yoke of tyranny, corruption, incompetence and malicious governance.
the corrupt Afrikaners in media and banks will be SHAP
Thank you Ernst for your informative commentary of the original interview. Your words based on logic in truth.
Imagine a government where the people in government genuinely want to do their jobs. Just imagine that... civil servants who actually, sincerely want to fulfil their mandates...
Imagine civil servants who wanted to create a world class railway service, enable businesses to thrive, who were mortified by corruption and crime... Imagine a government where workers tried to save as much as possible and wanted to create an awesome society for themselves and citizens alike...
Its such a basic idea... And yet our government is full of selfish clowns who can only think as far as their bank accounts.
It's all about fighting for POLE POSITION think the word G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T need's to be spelled out to the current ANC 'looters and pillagers' and those wannabees who's main purpose in life is to get onboard.
South Africa used to be like that, but the british did not let it continue, despicable people that they are, they still pull the strings in SA, but BRICS commeth
South Africa used to be like that, but the british did not let it continue, despicable people that they are, they still pull the strings in SA, but BRICS commeth
old SA civil service were also really slow n miserable
I dont have to imagine it..thats what we Had..but
Nooo lets carry on and
have MASONIC brotherhoods decide the Next jail cell
Listening in from Ireland..absolutely brilliant..thank you Sir
Imagine if the president were as intelligent, rational, and articulate as Ernst Roets. Unfortunately, the unsophisticated, gullible, subliterate majority would not vote for such a person.
Our president is actually quite intelligent. What he lacks is balls. He's standing by and watching the country burn around him. You almost see a tear in his eye when makes his speeches because he knows what he's saying is bs. Like when someone knocks their shin and pretends they're not in pain.
Oh the president if very intelligent but sly. On the other hand, he lacks wisdom and morals.
oh please, he is a mickey mouse excuse of a man.
pity he is cold as stone
Hi south Africa has already fallen
McDonald’s still makes lakker burgers
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@@gravedigger9313 is that the unit of measurement?😂
In Australia I talking to a S. African last week he and wife just move to Australia because S.Africa is gone 😢😢
@@errolmitchell6339 whats your first language, if I may ask Errol
English
I don't understand why the ANC can't be disbanded and prevented from being on the ballot papers by the IEC... Surely the damage they've done to our country is enough to ban them from politics..
Unfortunately disbanding the ANC would only give votes to the EFF. In my opinion, the National Assembly needs to vote on disbanding the EFF instead as they are too dangerous and will ensure that SA descends into a genocidal, Maoist totalitarian hellscape.
No. If they ban the ANC they can ban anyone else. That's not worth the risk.
@@042Ghostmaker All political parties should be banned. Leaders should be democratically elected from fraternities and geographic areas.
that defined Apartheid though...that exact thing
@@expose_massive_banking_crime and it worked..really well...
Best summary of SA ever
Excellent commentary and thought provoking. These are, indeed, the conversations we ought to be having, really. Thanks for sharing.
No politician can ever fix it.
BRAVO, at last this makes sense. A solution and not doom and gloom.
You're arguments are objectively speaking very logical and make sense
A disfunctional moral system is the same as an imoral system😂
most definitely disagree.
Best comment here.
Very well said .. thank you. And there are a number of worthwhile alternatives already well thought out to choose from. I would maintain that a practical assessment of the Swiss model as proposed by Leon and Frances book “South Africa, the Solution” pre 1994 bears serious consideration and public discussion. Had we adopted it then our country might be an example to the world today.
It's a start in healing this country. ANC must go!
How can it heal without an apology
South Africa needs meritocracy not democracy
After you have enjoyed and benefited from apartheid. Now merit must come in. Apartheid wasn't merit. Let's fix that first.
@@simphiwerini9652 true!! and also now they want to just TAKE cape town the richest part of our whole country
lifestyle audits for all Afrikaners FIRST
, audit for weathly mps @@expose_massive_banking_crime
@@simphiwerini9652 dont know about that, I was too young. I can say that we are all worse off now than in 2000 or even 2010.
South Africa is a very vibrant society. The mere fact that we can produce very articulate and well constructed arguments like this is testimony to us being an active civil community who by and large, try our best to tell truth to power out of a deep place of care. I would argue that the most marginalised, the most poor, the most desperate, which is the majority of South Africa is left out of the framing of the problems and the solutions in the video. If we leave South Africa to create another Bantustan to govern their own communities then we will end up with more disenfranchised communities. Great article and may we have more of these intelligent debates.
As someone who was born post 1994, I believe SA should've always been a federation of provinces based primarily upon the historic ethnic and linguistic demarcations of the country's territory united around the idea of governing autonomy within those demarcations while maintaining union on a national level.
A top-down centralized government has NEVER been a good thing for South Africa and has always resulted in greater nationalistic and racial tensions within the territory because of one tribe trying to impose itself on all the others. A federated model would ensure that no single ethnic group driven by an authoritarian ideology could ever dominate and oppress another ethnic group residing within the country ever again.
We are one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries on the planet and yet for some nonsensical reason we are forced to be governed as a unitary state. Unitary states only make sense when the inhabitants have a common ethnic, cultural, liguistic and religious heritage. A highly centralized South African state will ALWAYS result in the country being governed by a corrupt, authoritarian, nepotist or racially bigoted oligarchy.
The implementation of "Unity in Diversity" can only exist within the framework of a governing system that truly acknowledges such diversity and is willing to provide autonomy to those diverse communities within the country; only a federal model can ensure this framework.
I'm older than you, and so I could vote in the '94 elections. I remember serious discussions at the time around a having a decentralized federalist system copied directly from the successful Swiss system of cantons.
Unfortunately the ANC was (and is still) married to the old Soviet model of highly centralized authority where all serious decisions are made at the national level. So the ANC negotiators torpedoed the federalist idea in the pre-election constitutional negotiations.
We missed the one opportunity we had to write federalism into our constitution. If we had done that we wouldn't be having talk of Cape succession today.
Absolutely .. A dedicated group of far seeing people lobbied hard and long to the CODESA negotiating delegates, under the banner of Groundswell.. We came close to achieving a truly decentralised “bottom up” Swiss Canton Confederation model. But hidden agendas on both sides of the political and business elites proved more powerful than good sense.
💯 Agree. South Africa does need to be looked at from a unique perspective given the magnitude of our diversity. Our biggest issue is that our current leaders seem to want copy the frameworks of countries where almost everyone is the same ie. Brazil, Russia, India, China etc. We should be looking more to Western countries and mimic their successes and improve upon their failures.
@@BrinleyPavitt All those countries you mentioned are among the most diverse developing nations on the planet especially India. We are unique in that we are just as diverse if not more diverse than those countries but are governed as a unitary state. There is more cultural unity within the entire European continent than there is within SA.
Thank you.
Brilliant - Levelheaded, non-victimised and non-blaming - solution and future-orientated. 10/10 or 100%
OHM is talking a complete revamp of politics in SA....making it for the people with the people....minus political parties that prone to corruption and no one held accountable.
makes sense its got my vote
Thanks that was enlightening.
Good discussion. Much more decentralisation makes sense. Less controls will help!!! I like the dream!!!
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you, Sir, for another excellent clip. Dr.Leon Louwe and Francis Kendal published, in the late '80s an.excellent book entitled South Africa, the solution (hope I got the title right!) in which they reviewed the history of South Africa, the bad choices made and the legislation involved and offered a practical example of how the country could have been (and could still be) re-organised to the general benefit. If you can find a copy (leant mine out - to whom???) it is really worth the read. More thanks for your presence and clear thinking!
Exactly .. I recently re-read my copy. Frances’s other two books laid out in detail the nuts and bolts of how it could work. Time to bring them both out of retirement .. perhaps this would be be the true meaning of a 🌈nation.
NM also accused De Klerk of having a top-heavy parliament (something like 187 members), which is now close to 600 !
It hurts me to break up South Africa, but The Cape Party - Independence for The Cape, separation of the Western Cape combined with the Northern Cape from the rest of South Africa is really the only option for that region.
Imagine a South Africa where each nation/tribe ruled themselves according to their own consensus of religious & cultural moral values.
No. That can't work
@@carolmack6812 Why?
They would fail. It would be like the Middle East. It’s a nice dream but that’s all it is. It’s a modern world. Tribal society belongs in the past.
That's not how a country work
@@varsitystudents5276 That how federations, confederations and independent nations work... 🙄
Very well said Ernst.
careful who you trust so blindly. He & Afriforum wont talk about the financial R@PE going on by the banks .
@@expose_massive_banking_crime Afriforum is seen as a enemy by the people of SA.. censorship wont save them.
The answer is in the question. South Africa fell in 1994. We have been living the answer for 30 years.
Indeed, South Africa should have been disbanded either to the pre 1910 states or something similar reflecting the demographics.
However, white folk didn't want to relinquish the financial hub of Johannesburg.
@@coatknightwe would have been in 1910 where we are now. The rest of Africa is enough proof.
@@coatknight not all whites in SA are Afrikaans or British...we mongrels dont fit in with either ..not all of us are well connected to bank CEOs
Truth
I was there in 94...it was very suss what was "arranged"
Besides Mandela and Mbeki, the ANC really had nothing to offer the people of South Africa.
What did Mandela and Mbeki brought to SA?
@@HeinRichKocHPretoria Mandela was instrumental to a peaceful transition and the avoidance of a civil war. During the Mbeki years there was still economic growth.
Great presentation and much needed.
Agree, thanks Ernst.
SA direly needs a proper government and governing structure / system, but this time it should work for the benefit of SA and All SAens.
Not an easy feat indeed.
Step 1 is to Educate the voter masses, just to rid SA of the current looters .......... Not easy either..........
You need to 1st stop the bleeding before any treatment is possible.
HAVE FAITH SOUTH AFRICA..NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD ..EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO JESUS....GOD BLESS SOUTH AFRICA.🙏❤🙏❤
HE WAS ALSO IN SYDNEY - hardly got a mention in the press
I like your innovative thinking, thank you. I reckon that some of your views is likely to achieve real ownership from us as South Africans. Everything starts with a dream. We all need to contribute more for South Africa to reach its full potential. We need leaders that can lead us towards a vision of prosperity for all.
OHM says much of what you are saying, please interview Lauren Evanthia on this subject!
Well thought out and well spoken!! As a SA citizen - I love my country!
Return to GOD!
and have honest people serving the people! Remember we REAP what we sow which most can't or won't see and inherit the sins of our fathers!
2 Chronicles 7:14
if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
I am a Christian, and I love South Africa. It is a beautiful country with so much diversity that the world has failed to comprehend, and I am proud of that. Unfortunately, we are being led by people who are corrupt and only care about their pockets instead of the quality of life for its citizens.
We truly need to pray for South Africa for its prosperity. We need God's blessings through Christ Jesus. I pray that South Africa falls into the right government that will lead to everyone's success and prosperity. God does not know race, and does not care about race, for We are all one in Christ Jesus, Amen!
Ngl, I was initially hesitant to watch this video because most of the videos that talk about the fall of the ANC and government were so biased. But now, having listened to your analysis, I'm impressed and grateful to have come across your video. You gave a holistic view of the real problem we have.
Love Douglas Murray. A very spot on and saying it like it is. I like listening to his talks. What a gentleman.
Very well explained!
South Africa and Haiti both need a benevolent dictator
..... like Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
As South Africa and Haiti, and add Venezuela and Cuba,
.... have proven inept at self-governance.
"moral but disfunctional system" . . . what moral system is in place with the current government?
Great analysis Mr Roets. I think Mandela's model of a central unitary state cannot work in South Africa, it is easy to capture a central government with very dire consequences for every citizen, than to capture a federal state that is close to the people.
I'm watching the stand off between the federal government and the states.People to live one state for another when things breaking point.
Centralization is 1 of communism's tools.
There is something to replace the ANC with.....
The DA governs, it governs well, where it has a majority.
It's manifesto is sound....
It has stood up the unions and where it governs, over time replaced ANC cadres with professional civil servants.
Does the DA also govern over Gugulethu, Khayelitsha and Langa?
DA looks the other way when Absa robs us ..even Helen Zille, Cilliers Brink .. Cilliers is cut from FF+ cloth who are they fooling in Tshwane
@@0761ZoROThe DA can only do as much as the ANC allows them! Just remember that the ANC refuses to let the DA take control of the police in their metros hence the crime in DA run metros! You can't blame the DA for what the ANC forces on them!
..the DA?!.
Wake up allready..!
@@marcellekravitz2411 what exactly would you like me to wake up to?
Under apartheid there were 4 provinces. These provinces were quite autonomous. That worked very well.
Where and on which platform do we open the conversation surrounding the need to design a better system to take our political dispensation forward?
Afriforum and others need to recognize that some of the sharpest minds are among those either previously or more lately impoverished / disadvantaged, if you will.
We cannot pay to speak OUR MINDS.
Devolving power, authority and design to first, local, and then provincial regional development would be a better system, with a centralized overseeing body that can fulfill the roles that local and regional bodies cannot deliver, like foreign affairs and treasury.
Insightful
Why aren't you showing the clip where Douglas Murray discusses this? Thirteen minutes of YOU talking about what he said isn't very interesting.
Why listen then
Interesting views.
South Africa was a thriving country and very wealthy until the ANC took the reins. Corruption is rampant and as long as you have incompetent leadership it will continue. Too many tribal leaders that think they are better.
Need to get rid of the inbuilt tribal structures otherwise it will continue to fail. To fix this beautiful country it needs a coalition of the best black and white leaders.
have you heard of Coloureds and Indians..? 🇿🇦
@@Expose_bankers_and_auctioneers Yup remember they had their own areas also. As afar as the Indians there it was mainly their choice to be and work there and could leave if they felt they wanted to. Are they better off today under the ANC that’s questionable.
...S.Africa is heading for decimation
The issue is, who will rebuild it from total ruins
New infrastructure, new institutions, housing, honest govt etc
That calls for skills, which these noisy quasi leaders lack.
Dankie Ernst .. is daar enige insig en erkenning deur die Swart en Engelse gemeenskappe oor die positiewe rol vd Afrikanervolk in die geskiedenis van ons land ?
Of klou hulle nog aan hul eie ideologiese haatspraak teen ons vas as die enigste waarheid vd verlede ?
Hi Salome. I am an English speaking citizen and hails from the Eastern Cape. Most of the Voortrekkers came from the Eastern Cape and quite few of the English from the Eastern Cape have the same mindset as the Voortrekkers. Thus we understand and appreciate the role and contribution of the Afrikaners and what they made of this country. However, there is one thing I do not understand about the Afrikaners now is how they have allowed other people to put a guilt trip on them. There is no reason why Afrikaners cannot hold their heads high and take up their rightful place in this country. Kindest regards. Nigel
@@nigelnaylor2556Agree. It's this whole GUILT TRIP thing that has had undue focus and played straight into the hands of the ANC which was nothing more than a communist/terrorist grouping completely unable/unwilling to actually GOVERN. They've been running SA in true Mafia style from the get-go.
She is indeed Down to Earth since Zuma ANC and Ramophasa ANC GO To Hell. Mama South Africa
@nigelnaylor2556
Helo Nigel. Dankie vir jou woorde.
However ... wat my verstom is die Engelse gemeenskap se blinde weiering om Pa te staan vir julle rol in die skokkende gebeure van ons land die afgelope 200 jaar !!
meer spesifiek is die local Engelse se meedoënlose Haatspraak teen ons vanaf 1820 -1920 - 2020
Boerbasing en Black Sash
ken jy dit ?
Engelse denial dat hierdie die 3rde TAALOORLOG deur n Wêreld Empire is wat 5 Kontinente geplunder het .. hier in Suid Afrika teen n mede Europese Christen Volk in hul eie land kom afdwing het ...is skokkend
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every employment contract with Government must come up with a warning that if that person do corruption,automatic prison sentence. They should be warned from the beginning. Every bank acc must be checked , so in future if leave Job ,recheck bank acc to make sure that money match salary. If there is so much money more than expected, investigate
its actually simple but why do they care if they dont face any consequences
You are so right about trying to do my own taxes- am so happy that I have a lovely tax specialist,who is prepared to organise this. Probably doesn’t take him that long, but my goodness- that terminology and the percentages floor me…
I often wonder how the west thinks of there handy work regarding the "liberation " of SA.
who cares?
The issue with South Africa is that since 1994 we all became complacent in a country that we thought was going to become all inclusive when if we as citizens were realistic from day one we would have known that this was not going to be the case. Behind the scenes those in the corridors of political power who were networking prior to the election were simply setting themselves up for a huge payday and we see that now in the case that there are a number of ultra wealthy SA who simply played the game. Getting rich through legitimate ways is admirable, however the roles have simply been switched. South Africans should educate themselves more with regards the political scene in SA and get more involved then perhaps they would vote with their conscience and not their emotions. Citizens should not sit on the sidelines and complain about what the government is not doing if they not willing to hold their council men and local politicians accountable. The country is failing due to LACK of ACCOUNTABILITY which in turn breeds CORRUPTION. You can have the best politicians with the best intentions but if there is no ACCOUNTABILITY and TRANSPARENCY then it is all futile. No current political party in SA can play the race card anymore and when voters go to the ballot boxes these are the parties to avoid because if they continue voting wiith their emotions the next 30 years will simply be a repeat of the passed 30 years with added compund interest which will ultimately lead to SA imploding. SA needs a coalition of parties to form a government whereby they can monitor each other and hold each other accountable for a better SA. South africans need to clean house and become proud South Africans again. If South Africans were as passionate about their politics as they are about there sports teams we would be a strong nation again. VOTE IN 2024 WITH YOUR CONSCIENCE AND NOT YOUR EMOTIONS.
Very well said I couldn't put it better myself somebody who at least understands the Politics and History of South Africa
South Africa is like a Gatsby - many ingredients go into the making of both and they need to work together.
Listen to Gareth Hogg's interview with Organic Humanity Movement, called Democracy 101.
You have said a mouthful
Some times you have to get whst you wished for to know it wasn't what you needed !
I see South Africa today, as a modern day Tower of Babel.... hence the reason why I sympathize with all of it's people of different backgrounds, races, belief systems etc etc. The only solution as I see it is a " Revolution " not led by man, but rather by a mighty move of God by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is only one way that we as human beings can truly be united as one family and that is in non other than our Lord Jesus Christ. And the bible becomes our " manual of daily living " as we use this amazing and powerful WORD of GOD to instruct us as to how we are to live with one another, and treat and honor one another. There is no other way - but God's way, and yes as Jesus said it is a " hard and narrow way ", but it is the only way that leads to the life that only God, through Jesus Christ, and by the power of the Holy Spirit desires to give to us.
My God Bless South Africa.
Tas Collier, New Zealand
They used to have a better political system, that’s been demonstrated for 3 decades.
Very impressive thinking
So diversity is not working in a diverse country? Who could have thought?
Thanks, a very interesting point of view. However, were the 4 provinces which we had 50-odd years ago not much alike to this idea? What should occur to bring a similar system into process; by all or most current leaders with obviously new blood represented. Particularly forward thinkers not dogmatic or demanding personalities? I'm very interested in being informed.
Well said
GOD MUST COME BACK INTO OUR LIVE WE HAVE TO BRING GOD BACK AND PRAY WE NEED HIM .
Hi … thank you for sharing … please clarify what you actually mean by … ‘political dispensation’ … I think there are some tough questions therein … thanks again … keep up the great work 🙏
We don't live in a free society with equal rights for all.
The anc has stripped us all from ouer rights and the criminals has more rights then the taxpayers take it like this the drug dealers have more rights then us that has been born in this country and the police protect the drug dealers time to vote the anc oud and but the power back to the people the anc has forgotten the taxpayers is the bosses of the anc not the atherway around
Makes perfect sense. Ethiopia has formed a perfect example of how federalism actually does work.
Out of all the cultures in South Africa, which one was chosen as it's main/dominant identity?
Yes fully agree
Politics is rife with false dichotomies. There are very seldom just 2 things.
Hi Ernst. Perhaps a minimum of a Confederation and Direct Democracy would be a good place to start? And let us bury the past. I heard this prayer: "If I or my ancestors have offended you or your ancestors, please forgive us." Let us now move on and build the best future that we deserve. Kindest regards. Nigel
There WAS a better system for South Africa.
Thank you for your video. Much food for thought. I think that PM Malan had much the same idea, perhaps not as well thought out. Birds of a feather flock together. Perhaps federalism allows for like minded folks to gather together whilst still having a common goal. It worked for the US, but lets not fall into the same trap of becoming so individualised that we lose sight of the common good.
I'm looking forward to a practicable and amicable solution. Lets have a South Africa advance meeting and not a the customary South Africa retreat indaba
South Africa And Africa at Large Seek Spirituality as the foundation of everything including politics etc
A few major things need to happen : (a) Populism needs to be replaced with quality (b) Parliamentary representation should be geographic ( c ) Political party system scrapped ( d ) Governmental powers, functions, competencies, responsibilities and structures rationalized and (e) governmental and electoral systems overhauled.
Have you heard of David Friedman’s idea of an anarcho-capitalist land where people have self governance by way of free association and purchasing services from private firms?
weird to think that our current politicians were only 40 or so in '94...I was 18 at the changeover and ut was VERY...irregular...a big shady business deal. still is.
Sitting here at Nakop border post for 18 hours and counting... Yes our Tax system is complex...
Even if we vote the ANC out there will be a long and painful process to reverse the damage that has been done and I don't think most people are prepared for that. My other concern is that I don't believe there is 1 specific party that would be able fix all of our woes. There are many different people in South Africa and we expect and want different things from government. Somewhere someone will always be upset. I'm also not sure about a coalition government because we can't agree on anything.
PS: I wrote this before watching the whole video.
The "big country" and diversity shows clearly what the solution should be. Get rid of or reduce these two factors and you will have a better system.
Where can we get the clip of that discussion you only start with. This feels a bit like clickbait
I’m not from SA. Don’t each province govern itself? Who makes the call? National Gov or Province? What decisions does each Gov make?
Yeah, there is a better system: anything but the one they've got.
The Provinces need to go their separate ways. Example like Europe..Western Cape governed independently.