The most important thing about the South African elections
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- It seems that the most important conclusion that we ought to make from the 2024 South African elections is also the one that is talked about the least. This is that the parties that campaigned on ideology lost support, while the parties that campaigned on cultural identity gained support.
In this video I discuss this phenomenon, with some references to the recent European elections and Enlightenment philosophy.
Please let me know what you think!
00:00 Discussion of Democracy
06:48 Parties that lost the most votes
09:47 Parties that gained the most votes
10:52 Conclusion
My vote in this election gravitated to my Afrikaans/English/ Christian/ cultural identity . These leaders have stood steadfast within diverse communities in SA, promoting an honest, sincere and humble but strong and steadfast 'poging' effort to evolve and adapt to the the changes in SA over the past 30 years, without losing our cultural identity as a minority group and recognizing other's rights to their's. Admitting that it takes mature, humble growth and effort in obedience to THE WORD OF GOD to achieve it, in a perfect world which we are not ! It takes dedication to succeed . Well done Ernst & Co.
Replace Afrikaans/English in your decision making criteria, you'll soon realize who would've won the elections...racism is not the answer yet it hides itself in people's minds and actions.
How about relying on humanity, humanness, right vs wrong the next you get an opportunity to vote⁉️
I did the same and agree wholeheartedly. I suspect we will never be a majority, but the fact that we are represented gives me hope
I can’t imagine America letting us people of European descent being as open as the Afrikaners are about ethnic nationalism.
Hopefully over time people like yourself will find partners from different backgrounds who have similar goals & South Africa will be government by a coalition based on merit rather than race/tribalism. Competence, honesty and integrity should be all that matters!
😊we want a government which will stand for whites, blacks & brown. We're all South Africans.
We want all our tribe together as one.
Politicians don't try to divide us.
A government which represents every single South African & allows communities to be independent around issues like language, religion and culture.
South Africa is just a system we all use to collaborate across Southern African tribes
Thank you 🙌 as always well worth listening to your valuable insight 🙏
Thank you Ernst for addressing the elephant in the room. To ignore identity cultural affiliation when it comes to important choices, people will choose their race/tribe. It is Biblical and God ordained.
,The sooner accommodation is made for this in government, the better for prosperity and cohesion in groups.
I do not hate other races or look down on them but I still prefer to socialise and have relationships within my own racial group. That should not be a sin! Zulus or Xhosas should not expect me to enjoy their culture and they should not feel threatened when I enjoy/prefer my culture. Yet they do! Why is that?
So in the early church, they shouldn't have mixed Jew and Gentile neh? They should have been kept apart. Because it's God ordained...🤡
@@katlegomoatshe1312Religion and culture are not the same....your comment does not make sense.
@@jacquismit9762 So Jews have a different culture to their religion?? So Muslims have a different culture to their faith. That is weird because their dress, outlook on life, and days they observe are all dictated to by their faith...
But yeah you are right. Judaism is a religion, not a culture... When Jews wear tzit tzit and observe Passover it's not culture🤡
Correction, I'll say this on behalf of Zulus, we are not threatened by anyone practicing their culture the only thing we don't want is people forcing their cultures on us. This is the reason why Zuma says we are not Dutch or Romans why then should we be governed by Roman-Dutch law we want Zulu law back in full force, we want Zulu king to rule, Zulu Judiciary, Zulu legislature and Zulu land we reject Europe culture
@@jacquismit9762it is actually very similar.
Very interesting analysis - thanx
If the people lead, eventually the leaders will follow. Thank you Ernst .. a voice of sanity and reason amid a babble of self serving political nonsense. 🌤
Brilliant! Thank you…… makes so much sense.
Thanks for your analysis, very good
Analysis appreciated. To understand progression of democracy understand historical progression from Logos to Logic to Logistic to Logeme. We are the Logeme, smallest particle, the individual , --ie the natural democrat in person. So we vote rationally but also EMOTIONALLY, thus we are witnessing EMOTIONAL POLITICs via social media .
Insightful. Thanks Ernst
As an American this stuff is a huge learning curve. Of all the videos I’ve watched on the matter this was by far the best explanation.
I wish you all the best in your country and in the upcoming elections as well..take care and keep safe
Uitstekende analise.
Whatever we see at 10:00 today, we understand that things will change and nothing is stable for the next year at least. But we have no choice. I think we have thus far done better than expected. I do think we need to create space for cultural identity in our system. How I cannot say. With the collapse of Russia especially, a lot of crap spewed by agents such as MK, the EFF and a significant portion of the ANC will decline. We shall see…
Gr8 video thank you from 0z
Everyone sees what they want to see in this data, including you Mr Roets.
😅Hey Ernst. Black guy here. Thanks for the video.❤But I have to disagree here. I think the majority of South Africans now, which is young and ever becoming urbanised, aren’t as slavishly attached to their heritage or culture as you make it seem here.
Culture and identity is not the issue we are facing in SA. It’s simply a dysfunctional state and stagnant economy. That’s it.📍 If we got 7% GDP growth and 5% decline in crime every year consistently, literally all this academic and bombastic analysis of cultural existentialism would not be a thing.
Even a place like Orania shows you most Afrikaners don’t care.😂There a few thousand Afrikaners in Orania but millions of Afrikaners scattered around SA (Joburg & Pretoria has more Afrikaners than Orania). No one wants to go there. There are millions of Zulus, majority young, doing everything to eject from KZN towards Gauteng. Same with Xhosas in poor Eastern Cape to mixed race Cape Town. All these people walking away from their cultural centres.
I don’t know, man. I think you’re overstating our skin colour and culture obsessions, especially amongst young people who keep diluting and eroding these cultures/identities you stress on about. People want money and prosperity first.😅
Very insightful. Thank you
Birds of a feather flock together!!! Punt.
I love your analysis on politics Ernst. Well thought out and based on what’s going on around the world as well as what the world has learned throughout history.
You are also well spoken and don’t mince words.
Wishing you the best and keep up the good work ❤
Dankie, maak sin. Ernst. Hou aan met die goeie werk.
Question about VF+, where did the Afrikaner vote go? It's apparent ANC and EFF votes went to MK and the DA lost Coloured votes to PA. The low voter turnout also suggests people are giving up on the idea of South Africa as a state, or giving up on the idea that voting will make any difference to their lives.
Afrikaner voters either died or emigrated.
The Afrikaners parked their votes temporarily at the DA ... to SAVE the DA.
Ernst - big fan of your content. I am an Afrikaner living in the United States. Like many I left South Africa in the early 2000’s for all the usual reasons: crime, the collapsing infrastructure, and just a general uncertainty of where South Africa is heading.
In general, I like your videos and I think I generally support what Afriforum stands for. But, I do have a question, and that is, what does “winning” look like for our people? If I had a magic wand, and could grant you and/or Afriforum every wish you had, where would Afrikaners be and what would our world look like?
Thanks - always rooting for you guys.
Cultural kibbutzim interacting with other groups could be perhaps an answer. I dream of a highly technical developing of the dry western area of South Africa which could supply the country with food if the coalition attempt eventually goes pear shaped & the country/State, infrastructure & its institutions dissolve into chaos.. Solar & oceanic tidal power powered desalination projects with crops under controlled covered cultivation.
Lotsa funding & hard work needed here. Just an idea.....Letting go & moving on.....
Spot on
#Directellections, let the people choose their leaders.
Die probleem is die met ideologiese beginsels is nogsteeds die grootstes. En die wat indetiteit gebruik bly steeds die kleinste. Groei is relatief. Net omdat dit in 4 jaar dalk so lyk beteken nie dit is so oor 30 jaar nie. Ek dink dit is minder wat dit “is” en meer wat dit “word” liewer?
Ja .. makes sense. I wrote a song about that in early 2000s “Free white and African” which said “ Doesn’t matter who we are, but who we become” .. The only folk who liked the song and would play it on air, were RSG and a bunch of black radio DJs who were even happy to wear my FWA tee shirts. Odd hey😉
An interesting viewpoint on the concept of democracy. Perception of any idea however, lies with the experience and interpretation of the individual. How will the voters from varied cultural backgrounds living in the same community, all be satisfied with a ruling system based on the ideas of a particular brand of democracy? In the mind of the voter, the "right of the individual" is what matters and most importantly in S Africa, to exercise that right according to ethnic values and customs - even today. Will a carefully selected panel of politicians, representative of all cultural groups in SAfrica, each with his / her own perceptions and preferences, decide what such guidelines will entail?
Dude I laughed so hard that you read the DA stats with a zuma number generator. lol. Everyone makes mistakes though. It is very clear you are tired and really need that holiday. Keep it real out there and thanks for your informative video series.
Thank you for your talk. Can I make one remark. Where I live- migration happens on a daily basis. But: The biggest migration happens within our country. People move to where there is work. Culture seems to come 5th in people's mind. It will always,sadly be overpowered by money. No person is truelly independent. Food for thought.
They migrate for money but vote for their culture!
For me, the most important thing about the South African elections is that, for the most part, all acknowledged the result, and that the ANC in particular accepted it and moved straight into discussions around power-sharing. I am pleased to say I was wrong in that my suspicion had been that the day the ANC did not get a majority would be the day democracy died in South Africa. It's still early days - and no doubt there is going to be a lot of trouble to come from the usual suspects - but the center is holding, which makes me more hopeful that a positive way forward can be found for this country - which it so richly deserves.
Just remember Roelfie en de Klerk met gladbek Ramaphosa and what followed. Always, Be on guard & prepared.
Thank you for this great insight and also explanation of democracy. I suspect that the VF also lost votes because of immigration of a cultural base who have had to leave for economic reasons.
Ok, so the past 30 years just produced a downward spiral under the ANC (from 2009 in reality). The voter was really disenchanted by the ANC needed a party to vote for that was at least in some way aligned to their hopes. JZ is viewed in KZN (I live here by the way) as being shafted by the ANC. So when he formed MK, it was a "relief" for Zulus to flock to the banner.
My take on the move toward "interest based" parties is that the "generalist" parties simply either were shown to be pathetic, or were too far a step ideologically for the disgruntled average voter. So better to vote for a party looking after my interests. What is interesting is that the polls very clearly show that the vast bulk (2/3?) of SA voters are moderate, neither left nor right and want similar things such as employment, safety, infrastructure, service delivery, etc. The ANC had that all in the palm of their hands and they blew it.
Fantastic and insightful analysis. I would particularly like to hear your thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of natural vs artificial democracy and which approach has led to local/national/regional stability or instability throughout history. I am particularly intersted to discover the impact of cultural elitism on this, as we obviously are aware of the atrocity of Apartheid. In other words, would natural democracy tend towards unhelpful forms of cultural elitism or not?
I think that you are ignoring the fact that there are born Afrikaans people who don't identify and align themselves with Boer culture. Same way there are born Zulu people who don't identify with Zulu culture and customs. We can go on in all cultures and tribes in the world. Where do these people vote and fit in if we are to go by your analysis?
Should they be forced in to a culture they do not care to belong to just because their heritage is of that culture? Should they ignore the richness of other cultures even if there is something in another culture that they like or identify with?
Yes homogeneous countries do seemingly have fewer social issues than multicultural countries but that's not to say that everyone in a homogeneous country aligns themselves and is happy within those countries. In fact, many leave to other countries such as USA, UK, Asia, South America and Canada in order to experience other societies and cultures. There's no one size fits all to this life thing. People are very different not only to their communities at large but even within their own families.
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Great Ernst but surely the Freedom Front decline was mostly because the DA changed leaders and moved to the right - it belongs in your winners group for having represented minorities well - however unfortunately I don’t think the DA is viable longer term precisely because of the return to tribalism despite itself being in fact the minority tribe party - Cape Independence is perhaps a better option for minorities in the medium to long term?
Cape Independence are a pie in the sky. The DA and the IVP are going to get more votes. Look at the trend of by elections post election.
I will never have voting for DA on my conscience. It is a vote against everything I am, stand for and considers my culture and values.
In the last election the local DA groups here called us "lax" for not voting. Why don't they understand that we simply do not feel represented?
Never DA/EFF/ANC.
You almost sound as if you've read Edmund Burke's "Reflections on the Revolution in France", but only almost, if you have read it I suspect you misunderstood something, and if you haven't, you can probably save yourself a few months of studying history to get to his conclusions by just reading his letter instead.
On a related note; I really love book titles from this era... say about 15th to 18th century, they are so specific and descriptive.
"Reflections on the Revolution in France" is a shortened title, the full thing is this banger: "Reflections on The Revolution in France and on the Proceedings in Certain Societies in London Relative to that Event in a Letter Intended to have been sent to a Gentleman in Paris."
It never ceases to amaze me how well-educated people can really get it wrong. First and foremost, people are not like birds, we are all the exact same species. The only reason why we differ from one another in behaviour (culture), has everything to do with how we are raised or indoctrinated by our caregivers or communities. Call it ideology or social constructs, but religion is not biological or the infallible truth. Religion is a social construct. If we are all to get along with each other harmoniously, we have to learn to be tolerant of diversity of behaviour. Diversity is not a bad thing. If we were all to break off into our little or big laagers filled with like-minded and homogenous people, we will become far more vulnerable. Imagine a community like Orania trying to defend itself from attack by a much larger group of people. It is all very well, if your homogenous group is the greatest in numbers and strength, but not when it is the contrary. Please Ernst, start thinking more critically.
God help us .
Do you remember the Magna Carta Ernst in 1215? . Britain's democracy started then.
The one where the Oppenheimers fund the parties going to parliament.
Nie seker wat om van jou analiese te maak nie en wat jy probeer propageer nie. MK het meer gegroei rondom die persoonlikheid van Zuma en 'n gevoel dat hy onregverdig behandel is en nie die Zulu kultuur per se nle. Die PA ja het gegroei ja maar tog het die oorgrote meerderheid Bruinmense nog vir die DA gestem en so ook die meeste witmense. Maw vir 'n stel waardes of wat jy noem ideologie en nie kultuur nie. As jy argumente geldig was sou die UDM maar ook die FF+ baie beter moes gedoen het en die vraag is waarom nie. Dit is omdat menswees meer as een identiteit behels wat oorvleuel. Ek is byvoorbeeld eerstens 'n Suid-Afrikaner en stem ek vir 'n party wat my ideale vir Suid-Afrika as 'n geheel verteenwoordig maw vir 'n ideologie (of wat jy noem 'n artificial demokrasie) . My identiteit as 'n Afrikaner (jou natuurlike demokrasie) leef ek nie uit dmv politieke uitdrukking nie maar dmv kulturele ruimtes of geleenthede en deur vryheid van assosiasie in my privaat ruimtes toe te pas. Nie al my identiteite speel daarom uit op die politieke vlak nie en is ek gemaklik daarmee. Baie ander Afrikaners mag egter anders voel tog dui die uitslag van die verkiesing aan dat dit die minderheid van Afrikaners is, net soos dit ook die minderheid is van bruinmense en Xhosas of Zulus.
Spot on. 🌈
I feel as though democracy is becoming South Africa’s worst enemy! Maybe it’s populism that’s the main issue here but the fact remains that for democracy to work in my opinion it needs an invested and educated electorate. Until the voters feel invested in the system and truly understand the implications of voting it’s pointless. Not saying South Africa is alone in this but it’s certainly an extreme example of a system based on who can make the biggest impossible promises while still maintaining a semblance of believability. It’s a tragedy tbh but what did the world expect to happen when you overnight give equal votes to a majority population of poor angry blank people? There’s no doubt things has to change but it seems to me if you really cared about outcomes it would’ve been done more gradually possibly over 10-15 years at a minimum. That might be seen as racist but I’d argue that even looking at it in a purely pragmatic way it needed at least that long to allow systems/society/customs to adapt without collapse & I think South Africa would be a much more unified country right now! Maybe I’m naive
Agree.
Sorry Ernst. No political party in South Africa caters to ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.
It's Amazing that most people agree with Zuma's reasoning yet they disagree with what he says which is just a contradiction. MK,IFP and FF+ are more similar fundamentally yet Mk gets more backlash than FF+ and IFP so probably there is another layer to this as whether the funders have influence in all of this logically they should. Perhaps the reasons why there is a working relations between IFP and FF+ is because they share a similar identify when it comes to funding. Money has a funny way of breaking racial and cultural boundaries
MK voters are up for grabs.... The MK party are doomed...
Another Cope disaster.
RSA is no longer a democracy, but a kakistocracy - a government run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens.
Of which the previous President, Jacob Zuma, is a perfect example!😂
Your view. Greetings from Western Cape.
Democracy will not survive, read Psalm2
Also read what Samuel said when the people wanted a king.
The DA and ANC are still by far the biggest parties.
ANC from eastern cape to Limpopo.
DA is the biggest metropole party across the country.
So your analysis is pretty thin
Also the two parties would lied the most before the election of what they would do afterwards. Corruption pays off.
Any Democracy without Gods hand in daily affairs of Government and church is doomed to failure as we have seen already..All God requires of us is to return to the path weve strayed from...Daar is nog hoop vir ons wat weet waarvan ons praat...as ons se dat God ons Leier is...
Miskien moet jy met ons in Afrikaans .. oòk praat.
Meerderheid as die enigste wasrdesisteem word al meer van n dommer ding.
Is die waarde van 1 Leeu dieselfde as 100 Rooibokke ?
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JESUS BANE ABOVE ALL NAMES..❤🙏
Rebuildingnthe pillars of racism. Unfortunately, you have the world's backing and support. You will have the comsequences too.
Poor editing
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I would love to hear your view on the UIM .
Whaou, Greeks democracy. When the city state of Athens created their democracy they were 12,000 slaves in the city. That's all you need to know about democracy.