How To Fix Your Focus & Stop Procrastinating: Johann Hari | E114
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- This weeks episode entitled 'How To Fix Your Focus & Stop Procrastinating: Johann Hari' topics:
0:00 Intro
02:43 Why did you write about focus
14:22 What is the cost of losing our attention?
22:09 Social Media and the part it plays
32:41 Flow States
36:19 What is the harm of interruption?
41:02 The lack of sleep we all seem to be getting
53:54 The importance of reading physical books
01:00:17 Negativity bias
01:05:07 Angry humans in an angry machine
01:13:41 Is there hope?
01:27:35 Food is messing up our focus
01:33:02 Our last guests question
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Johann always blows me away with his stories and knowledge 🤯…. Could I ask you to do me a favour and hit the like and subscribe button, helps this podcast massively - thank you all x
Suscribed and yes totally agree Johann is fab, his knowledge and intellect is awesome
This could not be more topical to me! I I was shocked to see my screen time over the last week and my god it exemplifies why I’ve went from successful to on benefits. I love Johann and his book on depression but I can’t wait to get into this book.
This is life changing!
Steven - this podcast is just amazing. Thank you!
This was so important for me to listen to. I never realised this was a pattern in my life. I own a business where I create dip powders for women to use on their nails. I always avoid creating colours when I am tired because I don’t feel I produce my best work. But when I decide I am making colours that is all I do on that day because I value my flow state. I never realised I do this until I listened to this podcast today. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
P.s one thing that helps me is putting on a podcast that is a few hours long so that I feel I am not missing out on my phone. But because I am listening to something I don’t look at my phone and it helps me work in a continued flow👌🏾
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My phone is always on silent, no vibrate no alerts. 3 people know if they were to call me my phone will ring. All other numbers are silent. I deleted Facebook 10 years ago and that was a game changer for my family and business. No TikTok, no Snapchat and no IG. I actually walk my dog and notice the new leaves on a tree growing in Spring. We now spend more time outside riding bikes and roller blading. Our cell phones go in the room and stay there till morning, we never look at them. What’s changed? I’m happy, we’re happy. 😁
Ahh. Just like me! Totally addicted to CZcams 😵💫
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How did you manage to wach this?
@@sidickomarconscious and scheduled youtube consumption, watching on the PC
I deleted fb 10 years ago and it changed my life too… never looked back.. no instagram no twitter.. they are the boasting ..self absorbing ‘look at me ‘look at me platforms.. CZcams is NOT like this.. also I ditched a smartphone 6 yrs ago ( have an old school Nokia) and my life is soooo much more wholesome … it’s the way forward to contentment .. it’s the way to protect your mental health .. oh if you’re wondering anybody ..I’m watching this on a iPad that I keep at home and nowt else!
I stopped watching @ 27:13 to walk to my local library to find a hard copy of this geniuses book and on my way I looked around me, at the world I lived in, looked at the use of technology replacing human interaction, and my heart sank. I felt lost and alone around a thousand people who wouldn’t look up unless to move around me. I don’t think any young persons perception of the future is clear, but as a 23 year old college student just starting out in the big “real” world in this day and age, I stood outside the library wondering, feeling my phone going off in my pocket, just wondering where I’ll be years from that moment. Where will our continuously advancing world take me? What would my children’s lives be like if this focus problem is only starting to be realized? Will there even be physical libraries or would the one I’m standing outside of right now be turned into an exhibit that only existed in virtual reality tours that showed what was, hasn’t been, and never will be again, so my great grand kids could look at the building standing still with next Gen XR Glasses in amazement for only seconds just as I would and did at my grandfathers first typewriter? Scary.
1hr and 40 minutes of two exceptional people talking about a wonderfully important (albeit potential unpopular) topic. Almost every day, both Johann Hari & Steven Bartlett
add enormous value into my life. In a world where many mainstream journalists are emphatically adding to the fear and loathing of life across societies, Johann will always remind me that authentic, meaningful journalism does still exist, it’s just unfortunately less commonplace. Thank you Steven and Johann, this podcast is probably more important than 99% of people might realise.
thank you richard 🙏🏽
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I just finished reading Stolen Focus and I am delighted to see Steven that you interviewed Johann. It is an amazing book. I love the amount of ground the book covers regarding the ways our attention and ability to think is being robbed from us on so many fronts. I originally was looking for a book on ADHD and with Johann’s book I found so much more. It is scary it is happening and that attention problems aren’t just those of us with ADHD. We are all being torn apart mentally in ways we don’t even understand and could never have been prepared for. His book is an urgent message to us all and one we all need to get together and do something about.
Impressive how he can recall all the proffessors names locations e.g with so much ease - - just wow -- what a memory
I was totally in awe of that too because my memory is terrible. However, how many of us bother to check that he got it all right (no one, I'd wager). The trick is to sound confident but I'm sure he did get it right because if he was unsure the interview would have been easily edited.
@littlemisssunshine2931 I can almost guarantee they will be spot on ...why?
Johann was a rising star in serious journalism with a regular broadsheet column , he had recently won one of the most well regarded prizes in journalism ,one that had George Orwells name attached when it was discovered he had plagarised other people's work , cut and pasted material claiming it as his.
Johanns worst enemy seems to be his ability to get a bit carried away .
He disappeared for a good while but has made a marvellous come back with such important contributions to popular journalism His sometimes laboured referencing of anyones work not his own is understandable but i think he could ease up a bit now . We get it johann and we love ya mate
He is so immersed in the subject. Its amazing and fascinating 👏
It’s his job.
Impressive how he quickly checks his notes while Bartlett is speaking, knowing that the camera would be on Bartlett. Of course he has to anticipate exactly which bullet point to check, based on what Bartlett is saying at any point.
I began watching this while working on some 'easier' tasks at work. I am 15 mins in and have paused it as Johann has already made me realise that anything I want to fully understand requires my full attention. I'll continue when I'm less busy, I can already see where I need to apply that level of distraction less focus in other areas of life.
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Raise your kids with the INTRO alone.... AN asset to our land, Bless him. PLUS THE HOST 😉
Between '82 and '97 , I was a 2nd grade teacher dealing with ADHD and Ritalin in my students. Born in 1955, I'm certain I had it before it was given a name. I'm certain thousands of abused children had it. I was brutally disciplined and learned to manage my behavior to avoid abuse. I still struggle with symptoms today. I have no doubt it's aggravated by emotional and environmental pollution
I hear you, I think it's a real thing but every letter in 'ADHD' seems an inaccurate description. I've noticed it's those neglected and/or put down and/or forced to fit into boxes that don't fit their nature who get labelled ADHD; even sporty types and creatives who are bored by a classroom setting, and they get shamed for it.
@@dancole2994 Actually, the vast majority of children are bored in class, so perhaps, like Ivan Illich suggested, schools are the problem.
That isn't to say that teachers aren't doing their job. It is the system that fails: classes should be smaller, there shouldnt be so much pressure at home (parents over here push children to study-they even have classes in the evening to learn what they werent able to learn in normal school hours), teachers are pushed to accomodate to burocracy, stupid laws, etc, they are not properly trained to deal with 25+ students per class (some of them with behavioural problems or disabilities or autistic...and the vast majority with a huge problem with lack of focus...) and they end up feeling stressed out, anxious...you name it. No one can be a good teacher in that environment. They also have to deal with pressures from authorities, parents...violent children...
So no one, even those who looked fine and did well at school, is free of what you point out.
I'm 80. A widow. Live alone in a big city, no friends or family here. I'm not depressed, but I AM unfocussed. Can't read books and have to listen to audiobooks (they're brilliant !). Can't learn anything because I can't focus. Fortunately, I'm bright and there's already quite a lot of my head. Johann is becoming a kind of hero, in spite of the irony of finding him through the Internet ... I've read about his earlier period, so am not falsely hero-worshipping - just amazed by his ability to say things that are entirely meaningful. I'm hoping that my next stage is going to be developing the ability to use them.
You’re doing great! Hi from Siberia❤
@@galiagubanova1466 And hi to you in coooold country from Downunder, Galia ! :)
Mind blown……..again! Thanks Steven, what a gift to the world Johann is and what a huge sense of gratitude I feel to you for curating such an incredible group of guests on your world-class podcast, it’s changing my life one episode at a time ❤️
Isn't he great! Amazing, thanks lisa
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SUCH a valuable interview!! I feel like I just attended a university lecture. Was in a total FLOW when listening to him x
thanks anna 🙌🏽
@@TheDiaryOfACEO Pleasure. I shared on LinkedIn as well.
This guy is brilliant. So little do I ever sit through and watch an entire podcast. But Johann has a way with telling stories in an incredibly captivating way. 10/10 podcast.
"This is guaranteeing that you're missing out" - What a sudden and striking realisation. I'm guilty of it myself. I stand on my phone while my son plays and what Johann says here felt like a knife to the heart. I'm done with social media now.
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Steven's point on 'books not having comment sections' is fantastic. It's also fascinating to think that users just copy the narrative denounced by whoever is top comment. I've never thought about this but frankly I'm not surprised. It holds congruent to philosopher Rene Girard's Mimetic Theory.
"“Man is the creature who does not know what to desire, and he turns to others in order to make up his mind. We desire what others desire because we imitate their desires.” - Rene Girard
Mimetic theory shows how disturbingly heard like people become in many different contexts. Mimetic imitation drives social groups in ways that are seemingly insane. It's the reason people crowd the same market stall when there are other stalls with no customers. It's the reason that everybody wears the same North Face puffer jacket. It's the reason everybody 'likes' the same top of the charts substandard musician.
In the case of what Steven is saying, it's the reason everybody follows the narrative of the top comment. It's because people don't know how to feel or what they desire to feel from his posts. They would rather imitate/support the consensus of the most upvoted top comments narrative.
This is comment is obviously rambling, but I do really find this point fascinating.
Johan is a great person! I believe every single word he said! So much passion, hearth and soul in his speeches.
Steve, thank you for such unbelievable guests!
Whilst listening to this I've looked up cooking yorkshire pudding, cooked my lunch, washed the dishes, checked my phone 4 times, got my painting out, put it away. Doh! This is eye opening, pristine explanation of what is going on with me. A mere 5 generations ago we were in horse and carts. The flow state I get in when I paint is when I do my best work by far. I am switching my phone off more and more these days and feel better for it.
One of my favourite episodes to date. Johann is so captivating, a great guest and I can’t wait to read his new book!
I could listen to Johann talk all day, such a wealth of knowledge and great information.
Thanks for this, another book to order!!
So much for me to ponder on,
I really appreciate his inteligence, dry humour and honesty.
This video is just great. It's been like attending a class at university and leaving feeling that you actually learned something important about a subject we should all be studying or --at least-- be aware of.
i once forgot my phone at home...i thought uh oh, i felt a bit naked and lost...then I got on the train...looked around...went to work as normal and the whole day i wasn't checking for messages or answering phone calls seeing which agent had gotten me a job...utter peace. And I am not even addicted to my phone as much as others. I also remember going to Iceland with my sister marvelling at the geysers...we were taking photos of when the hot geothermic water would shoot into the sky...but because i had a camera stuck to my face....i didn't experience it...or i experienced it with a filter over the top. So we decided to put our camera down and when the water shot up again....it just felt amazing and I could share the euphoria and release with the crowd. I love listening to Mr.Hari's wisdom.
Just wow. Johann is pure gems and gold nuggets. I love his ability to be such a good story teller whilst incorporating facts and figures and still keeping me hooked! I recently purchased Lost Connections and I'll definitely be getting Stolen Focus. Incredible episode.
I love all the metaphors Johan uses. Thank you both xx
Very relatable conversation to the world we live in today. Thank you - Loved this and love him!! I want the book
I'm sharing this on Tribel in hopes as many people watch it as possible. I want to sit the whole nation down to watch this podcast! That book sounds like a must-read. Thank you so much.
This has to be one of the best you’ve done 👏🏽 thank you Steven & Johann!
So glad I found this. Absolutely phenomenal podcast and VITAL information we all need
One of the best intros in the history of DOAC so far, imo...
Love the way he so easily explains and conveys his message. I love it when people drop studies and quotes so easily into conversation shows how in depth they know what they are speaking about.
Curating a positive social media feed is amazing, very conscious about shaping the way my son consumes media as a baby.
no exaggeration this episode has changed my life, the way I see the world can never be the same. great guest didn't miss one second.
This conversation was so genuine, Johann is such a humble guy and thank you steven for this podcast, attention deficit is my main issue for so long, i hope i can help myself ❣
Brilliant! Thank you guys for keeping us informed and educating us.
Honestly my favorite episode so far and just discovering it a year after posting. I have been dealing with decay for a few years now and this discussion has opened my eyes. Great guest and discussion.
Haven’t heard/seen Johann before on your show, he is a guy you could listen too all day/ night long, really addictive. Fantastic guest really relatable. Defo going to buy his book 😊
Steven.. I have been listening to a podcast everyday. And just simply. Thank you. Honestly. That's it just thank you
Johann is my favourite of all guests. The depth and passion he puts into his work is just amazing. Can't wait to read this book!
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Wow wow wow wow , I am stunned at this podcast, completely in awe at Johann’s knowledge and has truly changed my perspective on how I spend my time ✨
Dope, thanks katie
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I've just relistened to this powerful podcast. It's so uplifting and raises such important issues which need attention in our current times. I know I'll be back here again soon to relisten.
This is the best interview I have ever listened to in my entire (not that long yet) life. Clear, simple, touching, thought provoking.
This interview was so on time! Johann pointed out so many important and relevant points which I thought were just my own problems when in fact they're proven problems. Like the cost of switching between tasks. Such a relief to know it's not my own shortcoming in simply our brains not being wired for it!
I felt the same way reading his last book 'Lost Connections'. It helps so much to no longer see these problems as personal shortcomings.
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I just love love love Johann always learn so much from him and it’s mind blowing. Big fan!!
CZcams suggested this channel to me. Is it because it’s proven to be ‘addictive’? Or is it because it’s proven to be good? Language is a powerful reframe. Optimising for what is good, entertaining, beautiful, delicious, moving...is a natural law simply mimicked by algorithms. Survival of the fittest. Can it be potentially harmful? Yes. Why? Because it leaves us at the mercy of our self discipline. And that’s tough. Incredibly tough. Maybe the most powerful thing is interviews like these, creating awareness around WHY we need to exercise discipline around social media. Just like creating awareness around why we need to exercise discipline around sugar...TV...sedentary modern lifestyles. We live in a world continually optimised for comfort and pleasure. Many of us enjoy incredible freedom and wealth. The most powerful lessons we need right now are around the value of discomfort and self discipline. Things that Jonathan and Steven have both embraced in order to build success in their respective fields.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this podcast. It's given me a lot to think about in regards to how I can bring back my ability to pay attention.
The book is on its way and I'm looking forward to reading it.
The kind of interview I need to watch more than once, so must knowledge and insight to absorb
you have no idea how I am grateful for this conversation .I wish everyone can see this
So good to hear! Thanks Dilini
These are such amazing conversations Steven. Johann is just so interesting. As a parent this information is just so important for developing mindful approaches to managing tech as a family. I'm a recent viewer but absolutely hooked!
This is perfect timing for me spent the past week watching everything I can find on CZcams with Johann. In the middle of watching Steves podcast with True Geordie on the True Geordie CZcams channel and I look up Steve Bartlet on CZcams and I come across this video and the Jordan B Peterson video really excited to watch these!
This episode deserves waaay more view! he is brilliant.thank you both I learned a lot ❤
Great content, great conversation. Really important subject. Thanks and congrats from Spain!
Wow, just wow, this topic is fascinating to me and definitely, one of the most pertinent topics to be addressed in our current days. From everything I've learned with this 1 interview, it's made me a better mum to my 2 young children. I can only say a massive THANK YOU to both of you, and can't wait for the book!
This was a fantastic watch. Thank you so much, Steven for another extremely valuable conversation, and having Johann back again and again.
I’ve been struggling with the focus deficit issues from a bigger picture in my relationship, and I’m excited to see how reading Stolen Focus will help me with shifting or helping my perspective. I want so deeply to know how to help this situation, and it will always start with myself. ✨🖤
My son is 33 and introduced me to you! Wow, you truely cover everything that all human beings could use to heal and grow. Thankyou Johann. Humanity needs your methods in true life education to grow and continue to exist. 🙏 Namaste
Absolutely love these podcasts!
Thank you, Johann Hari. I just turned off recommendations off in my CZcams settings. This is a positive start.
one of my favourites, this one. Ive been aware of my own urge to express passion and and the voice in my head is abit apologetic about it, but most people i talk with support it. This helped me to see that the passion or the emotion is the medium and our power/choice is in being curious about our own health rather than status. Thank you for sharing these videos, they make me more optimistic and definately makes clraning more fun :)
Inspired everytime Johann. Thank You. Really fantastic work.
I’ve watched this after I read the book and it’s been worth having the key messages reinforced in this interview. READ THE BOOK. The clarity with which Hari describes the symptoms I’ve been feeling creep and grow in myself and in society around me was reassuring but has also helped me see that the change required is systemic and needs cooperation. He doesn’t mention here but in the book he lists groups and movements which are fighting the good fight on a number of fronts. Worth joining in and supporting l. I don’t mean that in some kind of socialist worker style rally or fight the power bullshit way but conscious rebuttal is needed from folk otherwise we are sleepwalking into a horrible future. Well done Johann 👏🏽
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So good. Thank you both for a real dialog about todays relevant topics. 😊
Whenever my attention starts going more and more to my phone/social media I get to a point where I think "right, enough is enough, I need to stop this, I need to be stronger, I need to effectively beat the system" and it is always something I seem to put back on myself with "I'm too weak, or my attention span is too short" this is the first thing I've heard that has taken it away and put it back on these screens/devices and apps that are designed knowingly to invade our attention. I really really needed to hear this
Johann is amazing!! Thank you for having him on again ❤
Thoroughly enjoyed this masterpiece. Huge food for thought and so eloquently delivered. Thank you. My 17yr old son will greatly benefit from me showing him.....let’s just hope his attention span is longer than a minute!
One of the best episodes. Thanks Steve.
Johann Hari is one of my heroes.
This was one of the most interesting of these podcasts, out of so many. I'm going to watch this one again definitely.
Johann changed my life and many of my clients with his book 'Lost Connections' 💗
Loved this. listening while training with my Kettlebells . Will be implementing some of the ideas discussed in your talk within my lifestyle 😊
OMG, this is exactly what I needed to hear!!
I have been saying for years that students have a huge lack-of-focus problem. I really didn't know what to do about it and I was sure that it was a societal thing.
This has really been refreshing to hear because it is never spoken about and me voicing these things in meetings felt like I was an outcast.
And much just like you guys, I feel that shortened, shallow focus being something that is also happening to me.
So thanks a million to both of you for this podcast.
Suscribed!!
Excellent discussion!!!!! 👏👏👏 Thank you!
Ah this was great! You two are great together, I really enjoyed you challenging Johann, it created such a deep and thought provoking conversation. Awesome, as always Steven 👏 x
This was a great talk and I learned so much about focus. I don’t think the title does it much justice though. It is about so much more than procrastination. There are so many important takeaways. Thank you both
This topic was a revelation and yet so obvious at the same time! 😊
I enjoyed this conversation very much. Gratitude 🙏
I am not great at focusing , but watched all of this , loved it , got so much out of this episode x
So powerful, so true. The most present people are who inspire me. We must retain presence. It's my biggest worry for future generations and for my family and my children when I become a dad.
His books are my favorite from the last 10 years, his topics and the way he approach them is so powerful, he definitely changed the way I see things in life. Can`t wait to see him on the 2nd of June in Cluj-Napoca. Thank you so much for having him invited!
Bartlett again provides me with the exact episode I desperately needed!! Thanks brother 👌💚
🙌🏽 love this
This particular interview was just awesome, helped me a lot! Thank you!
Wow one of the best podcasts. So on point
Just 20 minutes into the video and I am wishing I knew this before. Just related to this 100%, so glad to be learning about this. Thank you both.
This has encouraged me to delete socials for a little while... long overdue but this has been the push I needed.
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Wow! He's very knowledgeable. I gained more insights in this and so many information lingers in me. Great podcast content.
Thank you both for such a valuable episode. Our phones have become an addiction for many of us without us being consciously aware of why it occurred. This discussion educates us as to why this has happened.
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Thank you very much for this brilliant and insightful guest and interview! Together with your other podcast's episode with Jay Shetty, Mo Gawdat, Kevin Hartl and Tracey Cox, was this one with Johann Hari one of my most favourite and meaningful ones! Thank you for the opportunity to "meet" this great and inspiring people including you! All the best to everyone :)
This is so eye opening. Great guest
Nothing beats good conversations on interesting topics. Keep them coming. Monday highlight 🙌🏾😎
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What an amazing episode, thank you all.
Fantastic stuff-thanks for sharing! ❤️
This was great. I loved the discussion about "flow state"
took me like a month to finish this but im so thankful and loved it 🙏🏿❤️
Absolutely BRILLIANT 👏 thank you 😊 xoxo
Thank you for having this amazing person on your podcast! Time flew by, i'm going to listen again on Spotify during my walk today to remember the results he shared and try to teach others about them as well.
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Really good podcast blew my mind. Lack of attention and focus is something that I've always struggled with in my life starting from childhood so you can imagen what its like with social media involved. I'm a incredibly driven person but really struggle to get shit done in life due to focus levels. This is something that been affecting everything in my life and have of late seeked help through NHS especially since Covid where I struggled loads. I was referred to a neurologist but they were of no use to me as I haven't been able to get results. I wouldn't say that Facebook or Instagram is the problem because I'm not very active on these platforms but CZcams is definitively a serious addiction in my life, I never watch television any more and even find difficult to active as well. I never felt this bad in my life and don't know how to truly combat it. It's like trying to get a person who bites there nails to cut there bad habit.
Great interview! Amaizing man! Thank you!
Thank you for this great podcast.
Love this! This will always be one of my favourite guests on your podcast. I can't wait to read his new book! Thanks for bringing him back (never too soon or too many times :)) )
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Awesome podcast with a lot of insightful knowledge. It was in line with a book i was already reading about focus.
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Great podcast, really insightful content. Smart watches are the new scourge on our attention in my opinion - constant inescapable interruptions until you take it off and turn it off, yet users often forget to reply to messages or act on notifications. I choose to stick to an old fashioned analogue watch for this reason.
Wow.. yet another fantastic interview and conversation, I see these as conversations rather than interviews really, even though they're Steven's guests, I always learn from Steven just as much and this conversation in particular sparked my interest as it's an area I was struggling with from 2016 to 2020. Since then I've discovered many ways, for me, to improve my focus, which starts with nutrition and brain health. What I found truly fascinating though, is Johann's perspective on how Social Media companies engineer their products to literally steel our focus and we, as the people, have the power to change this... I see the problem being, convincing so many people, who are likely unaware that Social Media companies are doing this, to adopt this stance as they're most likely enjoying their current usage, oblivious that their focus is being affected. I hope that bringing awareness to this issue, as Johann has so expertly done through this conversation, helps put pressure on this much needed change.
Damn man, I’m jealous of the cabin in the Swiss alps. That speaks to my soul like nothing else