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CAWL UNVEILS THE PRIMARIS TO GUILLIMAN!
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2024
- Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here!
Today we discuss the events of Belisarius Cawl completing his Primaris Project... can he be trusted? Is he truly loyal to the Primarch Roboute Guilliman?
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Cawl: "BEHOLD MY GENIUS! THE FRUITS OF 10000 YEARS OF INNOVATION!"
Guilliman: "...cool"
That's far more than most.
Given that he called the Ultramarines - strangers
@Ruosong Gao lol yeah pretty much xD
Cawl:so uh...hm.
Gman:cawl what the fuck happened since i was asleep?
Cawl:ok so thats a lonnng story but remember lorgar?
Gman:who doesnt remember that fuckwit,what about it?
Cawl:well because of his holy book... all this shit happened. And other shit.
Gman: that...ok that makes sense. ... aside me anyone from the crusade or heresy alive?
Cawl:i mean aside bjorn? I dunno actually,well that and probably the fallen
Gman:fallen?
Cawl:well aparently the dark angels got themselves scared shitless the 1st legion had traitors. And said "traitors" are back sort of
Gman:wait how would that-ohhhhhh. ...that makes more sense in that context actually. Evidently enough when i tried giving the dark angels there primaris they were being really jumpy it was really strange
Alpha Primus: Can’t you do something about your superiority complex?
Cawl: But I am Superior.
Hehe lmao
He is tho!
Big E told him so 😁
It’s not a complex, it’s simply true… - Cawl
I love how Cawl keeps praising himself especially infront of a Primarch - the mechanical balls of this martian is outstanding
"I too am extraordinarily humble." - Cawl
Literal balls of steel
one of the few advances in 10k years, he has a right to brag...
I mean he indeed is the GOAT.
Cawl: I too am extraordinarily humble.
The humblest humbler who ever humbled.
Hilarious
he is a genius considering the state of the emperium, one of the few hopes in a age of stagnation
“I used the ancient art of deductive reasoning. “ - lmfaooo I love 40k sometimes
yea haha
Isn't exactly much used these days either. Corruption and money still king.
Reasoning?? it sound like some heretic ritual ,burn him! just in case.
It sounds stupid but it's actually pretty accurate. Sir Francis Bacon is credited with inventing modern science and all he did was basically say "when you're talking about fact based subjects, use only facts to prove something".
@@motmontheinternet lol bacon
Gulliman: "No Cawl, I am not making you Fabricator General.,"
Cawl: "Primus, notify the legions, execute order 66"
In some ways it might benefit the Ad Mech if he was, tech wouldn’t stagnate and start to improve.
My God it could be an amazing story!
Holy moly that’s a great idea. And with them giving love to old marines again it could work.
The Luna wolves of the terrain imperial guard regiment and 3 company's of the dark angels and nightlords stand with the imperium of man for terra and imperium death to the traitors
He actually doesn't want to be the Fabricator General and is amused his Minor has been bugging Guilliman about it. It's great.
"You know I hate to brag to a demigod, but-" How I imagine most of Cawl's conversations start
Thing is. Gulliman is a demigod himself.
@@Dannymiles1987I believe that is who Cawl is usually bragging to
Considering how Cawl ressurected a primarch and made the primaris marines then I think his self praise is well deserved.
He’s the only reason the Imperium has a chance right now.
Alpha Primus wasn't resurrected, he was created. In that scene with the mirrors Cawl says "don't look at your other reflections" and Alpha does anyway, and he sees one Cawl with 20 versions of him, and realizes he's a chimera made from all 20 Primarchs DNA.
A lot of people shit on Belisarius and the “special snowflake marines”
While I get where they are coming from, that the Emperor should never be outdone, I feel he hasn’t been. The Emperor made the space marines from literal nothing in mere centuries.
Cawl, on the other hand, took 10,000+ years, 90% of the work already done to go off of, and the resources of the entire imperium at his disposal, and only came out with the Primaris, a slight improvement, and still inferior to the custodies.
very well said
this is a good point but it thinks it also the fact he cured the flaws which are a dick slap for some faction like the blood angels
From nothing the Emperor studied fore millennia biology and made his perfect Custodes and his brutish thunder warriors and he got help making the Astartes from some propetiel ( i don't think this is right written) woman
Altrough you seem to not know what crawl really is he is Manny people not only one because he can litterly lode them into his (brain idk) and those gets their knowledge why im bringing this up well essentially there whas a Scientist who worked with the emperor the emperor saw the future of this Scientist (absorbed by crawl) and told crawl through this Scientist what He had to do and stuff
@@umxmarky He didn't, the Blood Angels still have their flaws.
@@connorbaird8596oh which book is this in? not saying your lying just curious
Primary Marine are fantastic but nothing compares to I, Cato Sicarius.
I cast fist
I believe you forgot to begin with something like
"I, the esteemed Cato Sicarius, quite knowingly and a bit humbly admit that these..."
Cato Sicarius is the best swordsman of all space marines that has ever lived. He kills Blood Thisters left and right. He gets annoyed when he has to walk upto his foe instead of them just impaling themselves on his swords right from the start of combat.
Do they sound like Mickey
mouse though?
Only in the 40k universe: "We have this thing that just might save us!"
Hahahahhahahhahha, no. Just read any news and that shit still hits in real life
@@commieKalmarunion example?
Global warming - we know what the science says and we know what they propose to help. But sure as shit, we dont fkn do nothing or hold the largest inflictors of the damage responsible.
I get the arguments of costs, risks and so forth, but I am troubled to find the goal impossible, even with such drastic means that is necessary. It calls for a revalidation of all countries and all industries, and a reform at every level of human production and consumption
While it haven't led to civil war, there is enough concerns about future wars happening because of a lack of resources - recources that lack, because of earlier misunderstandings and current mismanagement on a global scale.
And of course, we see climate deniers, pundits and people with capital interests who bar any radical attempts at doing what's needed.
@@commieKalmarunion Ah, I'm on that fence.
I agree we change the environment.
I also know the environment changes without humans.
I look at it pragmatically. I think so anyway. I personally believe for us to survive the planet, we have to exploit it (not NEGATIVELY exploit it).
I think human existence is simply managing that, and dying by your resistance, hesitance, or ignorance of understanding that.
But the more people we get, the more we need to exploit (aka USE) the planet. Now, I HOPE we can do it in a way that doesn't force us underground, or basically end up killing, deer and eagles for example.
But if my existence depends on those birds and deer dying, then that's it.
But I DO agree that the more typical side of the argument on my side is denying the change to more or lesser degrees.
Cawl: *spends 10,000 years being an actual scientist, with access to some of the most secret and valuable knowledge and resources in the Imperium, and creates the first examples of actual technological progress and innovation since the Heresy*
40k fandom: "NOOOOOOOO, MARY SUE! BAD WRITING! NO ONE CAN MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN BIG REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
You have perfectly summarized my brother's views on 40k and how he abandoned it entirely.
I agree with you. It’s like a good portion of the fandom just wants stagnation of the lore. But then get irritated that it’s not progressing
I think a lot of it has to do with his introduction which was far from great. Rather than building up in the background that Guilliman had ordered secret projects before his 'death', reports of sighting of strange armies on Mars etc etc, they kind of just went "here's this new character, oh he has created super space marines".
@Banyuaigo Because hw had primaris sitting in a warehouse for 10k years. Also, some of the primaris are from the era of the great crusade. So Cawl cracked in mere years and has been sitting on them for millenia for what, exactly?
Primaris are kind of cool, it's the itroduction that sucked.
@Banyuaigo WTF does anything have to do with Ultramarines?
Belisarius "ITS NOT HERESY WHEN I DOT IT" Cawl
If you think about it that’s most high ranking members of the adeptus mechanicus .
It’s just that unlike an actual scientific group they don’t share their discoveries or their innovations. They constantly break rules they enforce to keep control over technology
It feels abit like malcador and the emperors relationship is starting with call and gilliman lol
Makes sense and never thought of that ha
@@nahyeahwhatsahandle Malcador is just above them all.
"It took cawl 10000 years to make new bolters and floating tanks? Not impressive."
"How come primaris keep getting new stuff! Reeeee!!!!"
Disappointed Rho left out the part of the conversation where Guilliman said, “Ya ya ya the new army is cool and all, but what of the bigtiddy Aeldari cloning project?”
ANYTHING Aeldari would do at this point honestly...
"We have THOUSANDS, Lord Guilliman."
"Thousands, you say? I'm sure you're aware the request was for BILLIONS, yes?"
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
Guilliman should have given Cawl the task of healing The Emperor.
He surely would have come up with a solution by now
that's rich coming from a cripplingly depressed primarch
Who knows he hasn't he give him multiple tasks equal to this
Have you tried rebuilding him with Cyberdongs, that usually works, does it still works ?
so Cawl also had a grey army for 10k years...
nice to see we are represented in the lore
Im using this as an excuse not to paint my primaris.
"Would you like to call Cawl?"
"Call a call to Cawl."
"Calling Cawl."
Ah yes, you just reminded me about that FRICKING CLIFFHANGER!
Its “cawling cawl”
"Hello-how are you- WHAT DO YOU WANT?!"
Better Call Cawl
better call cawl
That line...
Armies, my lord, I have given you legions...
That gave me chills
Came here to satiate my need for roboute guilliman lore... Need some moreeee. He is my favorite primarch regardless of what others say about him
COURAGE AND HONOUR!
For all of girlyman and smurf joke Guilliman is a compelling character, he is a man of vision and pushes forward to see those visions come to fruition, sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst.
@@pierceprzybyla1275 especially after his ressurection. The weight of hope placed on his shoulders being the one and only hope of mankind make him so much better
I agree completely. Papa Smurf is best Smurf.
Honestly the books about him have made me come around to the blueberries even if I find Primaris...... Heresy
In "Dark Imperium" the Primarch admits it was a mistake to break down the 500 Worlds of Ultramar, I can't recall him making a similar statement abiut the Legions.
Interestingly, he also regrets handing power to ordinary humans rather than Space Marines.
A key tenet of post-Heresy Space Marines - you’re there to fight, not rule, that’s where Horus went wrong - is being overturned by the very man who set it down.
@@kelman727 I must admit I am torn on that. On the one hand, we know from Malcador that it was Emperor's vision to leave Astartes solely in the role of warriors.
On the other, Guilliman's Ultramarines ARE designed as perfect statesmen as well as soldiers. How does one square this circle?
Huron blackheart! He seemed quite happy to build himself an empire.
I think ultimately it comes down the marine in charge. How big is his ego?
That is near the end of the crusade, so we should see his opinion changing towards this, over time
kelman727 well, if the Emperor and Primarchs were “alive” mortals would do just fine. But Guilliman saw what they did to Ultramar without his or His guidance.
However, they did survive for 10,000 years: fighting agains unending monsters and literal Gods.
I mean Guilliman is not wrong, but he could have show some appreciation toward the “modern” Imperium. I mean, they SURVIVED.
In his book Cawl is actually confronted about his desire to become a Fabricator-General. And Cawl is almost horrified and like “WTF are you talking about, Felix? I’m a scientist and not a politician. Why the hell I would want THAT role?”
Turns out “little Cawl” AI is acting behind daddy’s back.
seriously who in their right mind would want to be InCharge/responsible for a bunch or crazy, religious tech/geeks. when he is currently high enough in rank that no one messes with him and he can do what he wants (in secret) within reason in public.
I like how he actually doesnt want to head the mechanicum.
Too much politics, it would get in the way of his work. It was the same with Bill Gates when he resigned as Microsoft CEO and became the CTO. He'd rather inovate and make new technology than be tied down with beurocracy
Except Cawl does make this request repeatedly, and is denied.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 in the great work he comments to decimus that he was unaware that the cawl inferior was telling guilliman that and being in charge of the mechanicum would be a waste of his time
@@andrewostman3135 He does. I guess it's up to the readers as to which version we trust more. I personnaly find the Cawl Inferior version more in line with the hubris on display in this video. Cawl really does have an enornous ego, even though he knows to hide at least some of it. For me, it makes sense for him to reveal the scope of his ambition only in very private communication with the Regent.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 The Cawl Inferior doesn't feel like Cawl to me. More like an AI program with Cawl's personality overlaid onto it as a user interface. Cawl seems to find it amusing to discover the Inferior is requesting Cawl be named Fabricator General, while at the same time not wanting the role as it will weigh him down with politics that in his own words, he is not suited to.
"They're...all the same!
.....I LOVE IT! GET THEM ALL BLUE ARMOR! SEND THEM TO THOSE...... OTHER LEGIONS TOO!"
THERE ALL JUST ULTRA MARINE SPYS!!!!
I think Cawl's line to Guiliman about his own sons turning to chaos is one of the most powerful line in 40k
Eh ? I've missed that what book ?
@@bgcvetan I believe it was in The Dark Imperium book
Really enjoyed the video.
It really was a great decision to make Cawl a "gray" character. Loyal and important to the Imperium, but also potentially dangerous.
Hope we will get to see him overtaking the Mechanicus in some of the novels, which would also make him even more dangerous and influential.
Belisarius Cawl is one of the highlights of everything Guy Haley writes.
Cawl has been getting a lot of grief about "well if he had these legions, why didn't he unleash them earlier when the galaxy was threatened", but that isn't how science works. Cawl would have had to spend the majority of that time picking apart the gene seeds and experimenting with different changes to see what effect they would have. Supposing he only had the 25,000 on his ships, he wouldn't have been ready. Even with a very liberal estimate, the prepared marines he unveils on the ship would have had to be quite young in comparison.
I agree, good science takes time !
they would also have execute Cawl and his primaris marines if guilliman wasn't present.
You can make an anime highschool comedy about the chad popular kid (Guilliman) having an unlikely friendship with the genius nerd kid everyone hates (Cawl).
Seriously, I love how Guy Haley writes Cawl and Guilliman. I hated both characters before but now, they are my favorites.
Have you watched jump street 21?
Belisarius, named for another savior of a previous empire.
A greater empire.
And at some point, he was offered a crown by his emperor's enemies...
I dont get that reference, what mean?
@@commieKalmarunion he is referring to the Roman general Belisarius who was emperor Justinian's go to guy for military matters!
@@user-hn5bi3nw9y and he rejected that the most badass way ever!
I now understand why the custodes are so much on their toes right now. The custodes are loyal to the emperor and his imperium. The space marines are instead loyal to the chapter and their brothers, and now all of the sudden there are full super enhanced legions going around the galaxy, unchecked...
In my mind I picture a scene like that in "Soldier" with Kurt Russell where the old Soldiers are compared to the new ones and found wanting in every way except experience.
Good movie
good call mate
You mean... I'm not the only person who actually likes this movie?
*sobs quietly in a corner*
When "Nerd" is a cause for Heresy and execution. Ha, nerd.
I don’t know why people don’t like Cawl... from this video I absolutely love him lol... I’m new to warhammer 40k but I’m a fiend for the lore. Cawl is dope
Of all the Primarchs, is Roboute the greatest delegator? He seems to like putting the best people in the best places.
I would say yes, he has been called the scholar and seems to know his trade
Cawl actually has no ambition to be the fabricator General. In "The Great work"He is surprised to learn the Cawl Inferior keeps bringing it up to Guilliman & states he has no desire for politics.
It feels like a retcon to me but maybe they'll take it somewhere.
Idk. I think while Cawl may not have a taste for politics, he absolutely has a desire for power. If he were to be offered the position of Fabricator General I have no doubt in my mind that he would accept without hesitation.
@@Penglish56 Na, he explained fairly well why he wouldn't want it. Cawl is fully aware that 90% of the Mechanicus hates him, and the Higher in the rank you go, the stronger that distaste get. He's fully aware that the Mechanicus would escalate into a full-scale civil war extremely quickly if it would even be rumoured that he could get the position.
Additionally, he enjoys going graverobbing Tombworlds and developing new technologies, both of which he would have barely any time for if he would become Fabricator-General.
Being Fabricator general would be pointless for him.
Right now he has one boss, works his own hours, pursues projects he is passionate about with unlimited resources or regulation.
I can’t think of a better position for a mad scientist to be in than that.
When Rho says 'Guy Haley' I just know what I'm about to hear will be good
Cawl is a reflection of The Emperor’s arrogance.
No, he's Magnus with common sense.
the irony of the codex astartes was to make sure a primarch doesnt hold such power only for the very primarch to hold the power of legions
You should really do an episode on chapters with questionable geneseed origins. Smurfs were well noted for being the orphanage of wayward loyalists from traitor legions, and personally ive always suspected that the Silver Skulls were of Iron Warrior stock.
40k Theories has a plethora of videos already out there discussing the origins of many of those successor chapters.
‘The Smurf’s were well noted...’
Only they weren’t.
What a remedial blunder!
Gman spared a word bearer who later founded the ecclesiarchy. He even shielded his existence from the more fanatical part of the imperium even when he realized the stagnation the church had brought upon the imperium. He also employed a warsmith to work on his personal beacon in the imperium secundus. His disapproval of the use of the traitor gene must be partially politically motivated. Maybe some of the new primaris chapters are already based on traitor geneseed and it was intentional. Maybe Gulliman just hide that fact so he can carry on with his experiment?
Recent lore has told us that Big E was not directly responsible for the creation of the marines, he brought in the best minds together to do it. Sedane and Astartes herself for example. Cawl did the same, only over a longer time.
If Cawl did create Primaris for all 20 chapters...does that include the II and XI? Even if not, what do the Primaris of the traitor legions do? Fall in under Guillaman? The Shattered Legion template may have a precedent, allowing the strengths of several legions to form custom-tailored battle legions.
All 20 "your lost brothers" is clearly in the conversation meant for the fallen chaos tainted but it can easily mean the forgotten as well
Belisarius is like Magnus, he never did anything wrong. xD
I can just imagine this as a direct parallel to Obi-Wan discovering the clones
In Belisarius book, he says that he does not wish to be the head of Mars. Indeed he find it fascinating that the Crawl Inferior wish this. So we can guess, that it is indeed the Crawl inferior that has a wish for this power. ((SPOILER WARNING)) We also learn that Belisarius is multiple people melted into one being... so the Crawl Inferior may indeed be Crawl. But just one of the sub personalities that he has taken in... that would explain how it both is and is not crawl, and why it is inferior as it is a singular part of him... and why that part of him wish to be the leader of Mars, while he as a whole does not.
Guilliman after presentation: "Oh my Emperor..."
Cawl at 11:54: "but wait! there's more!"
Big E still best at creating super human warriors, proof: Custodes exist.
I would argue not better warriors but better fighters
Big E didn’t make them entirely himself.
@@theark4568 Fair enough, though to be fair Cawl used BIG E's plans, so he technically had it a bit easier, since BIG E did it from scratch.
@@matso3856 I will accept this argument as true, better fighters seems to sound reasonable.
Primaries are just stronger, bigger marines. They makes great imperial fist but terrible raven guard because of their big frame. They are still weaker than thunder warriors and still fall behind the raptors in production rate. I would argue if he can make lasgun to perform like Taus railguns, now that's groundbreaking innovation
(Cawl comes blasting out of his hole) everyone on mars: CAWL your still alive!? Cawl: can’t talk Guiliman is back gotta show him the new TOYS!
I think in the first dark imperium book, Gully makes a mention of the benefits and downsides of his legion being broken into chapters, fighting fulgrims unbroken traitor legion.
I mean the Emperor and Malcador themselves allowed the legions of the two lost Primarchs to be used so it's not a stretch to think traitor gene seed is used in the Primaris. Heck there is evidence that some of the chapters that were already around might be from traitor gene seed already.
guilliman:are they better than the custodes?
cawl:lol...no
*Guilliman does the meme Portuguese guys laugh* lol
custodes could hold there own with primarchs girlyman 😜
kat what is
@@nahyeahwhatsahandle Eh they kinda can actually. Depends on the Custode.
cawl: they always were
What was guillimans reaction to the grand reveal of a literal legion in front of him?
Book says no
Space book says bad.
He knew he was going to get a batch of big boys, this unveiling was a display of power he has to the rest of the masters of the imperium. Although Gulliman probably didn't expect such a large degree...
While against the Space Book Id imagine he’d compromise since he is currently the only Primarch actively holding back chaos while the others have all gone missing or gone traitor.
Heed the warning of Alpha Primus, something is brewing in regards of Cawl's agenda.
Something is brewing in the sense of both pride and the Mars born killing machines, something that will test the power structure of the Mechanicus and that of the Imperium.
Cawl is someone to keep an eye on at all time.
"So Cawl, you figured out the template that not even my brother Corax, a primarch, couldn't even begin to decipher"
"Yep"
"Then you improved upon the Emperor's mastery of science and made half primarchs ?"
"Sure did"
"You also secured the massive amount of resources, technology and people to make this possible ? Then all the gear to train and indoctrinate them ?"
"As you do"
"Then you secured the cryogenics and stealth tech to hide them away, like some space squirrel storing nuts ?"
"I did it all for SCIENCE |"
"You did all this while hiding all trails from the Administratum, Cult Mechanicus or even the Inquisition ?"
"I managed"
"I think you should run the Imperium, I don't have the faintest clue how you made any of that possible"
"I secured a plentiful supply of phlebotinum, my lord, sufficient for these works. If its any consolation, I suspect not even Tzeentch or Creed can explained how this all happened either"
This is both BS and quite possible. On one hand the Imperium is huge and most organizatin within dont like to share information so Cawl being shady is not quite suspicious. On the other hand , in the Imperium everyone are watching everyone how can this guy hide such a big secrect
@@minhducnguyen674 There is only so much that saying "the primarch told me to do it" will allow you to get away with. The Inquisition would never allow a repository of the most stable gene seed of the primarchs to be anywhere outside of their control. Mars would never allow Cawl to innovate, they would certainly view improving upon the work of the Omnissiah as blasphemous. The high lords wouldn't commit the resources for it. So Cawl being able to just do it is incredibly improbable, I feel an explanation of the logistics is in order.
Corax did just fine, blame the Hydra.
Not to mention he single handled contribution to the development of the whole new generation of weapons, armours and vehicles Any nobody heard of him in the last ten thousands years.
@@KaiserAfini I'm not questioning whether the rest of the Imperium would allow Cawl to do that, it's simply impossible, rather how did he hide something that big in the first place
Belisarius Cawl programmed Roubute to obey him. Hands down
Guilliman: "Finally something GOOD!, thanks Cawl, I am now just ever so slightly less depressed"
Ive always loved the idea of the legions, shoulder to shoulder, artillery cannons firing overhead, forward line breachers with their shields up letting their storm bolters rip, every legionaire behind them in step ready to flood the positions once the breach line has passed them. The sound of that level of firepower to imagine it is impossible but dammit i want it
I’m so glad I found his channel, i can listen to the lore while assembling my miniatures
The idea of the primaris being better then the space marines, but taking ten thousand years to accomplish and using big E’s notes makes sense
As with good story telling, you need to beef up your heroes before revealing an enemy worthy of them. I feel that these thousands of primaris marines are a prelude to things getting EPIC soon. And we are already seeing that with the Necrons rising. Totally excited. A lot of good books, savage battles, and demon slaying to come.
Thank you Rho. Really enjoyed hearing Belisarius Cawl getting some attention.
That's one "girthy" ego that any scientist would have good reason to be proud of.
Cawl: I have done nothing but make Primaris for the last ten thousand years.
fans: HOW!!!! HOW HAVE YOU BEEN MAKING THEM!!!!!
Correction: Belisarius HIMSELF doesn't want to be Fabricator General. He says so in his own novel, to Tetrarch Felix, that he finds politics messy. However, the Cawl Minor is the one that keeps on pestering Guilliman about it, and the Cawl Minor likely has his own mind on Cawl's ambitions.
Magos: The primaris has been fully integrated into their respective chapters my lord.
Belisarius Cawl: Execute order 66!
Made some with the traitor legion gene seed? Sounds like a path for GW to have Primaris chaos marines to me. Maybe they don’t go bad, but if Chaos captures some for experimentation, or one of the “new seeds” is stolen, if it had traitor genes in it logically it might be compatible.
Anyone else feel that the "Cursed Founding" was a rival project to Cawl's Primaris project?
That was Bile mudding the water i think.
I desperately want Jaghatai Khan to return so that he could help Gulliman. Jaghatai always been catious and distant to other primarchs. Him, bounding with Gulliman would be a nice touch to his character arc. We would get to see Jaghatais human side that he only showed to Sanguinius just slightly. Just imagine if Lion woke up too. Gulliman as the administrator, Lion as the enforcer, Jaghatai as the general. man that would be cool af.
Nah I don’t seem him (khan) being cool with any of this to be honest.
I love Malice!
“We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot.
We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls.
We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates.
We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain.
Death to the Dark Gods!
For the Renegade God!
Let the galaxy burn!”
The greatest trick Malice/Malal ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't cannon !
Hey, Cawl has denied wanting to be the Fabricator General.
one of his personalities! what about the others!
In the Dark Imperium, he keeps asking Papa Smurf for the position, and is denied.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 That's the Cawl inferior actually. So it's his totally not AI puppet.
@@Directo13 ehhh maybe, I'm convinced it's just the Cawl inferior being sentient.
@@g00se0885 Guilliman is treating all the messages from Cawl Inferior as comming from Cawl, even if they were pre-programmed. After all, it was Cawl himself who programmed it, no?
Clicked to see if there is a new video. Well, well...Wolf Lord Rho just posted 52 seconds ago. Don't mind if I do!
I just leaned what trepidation meant through this video. Thanks brother.
This is why i love people like you you help us the Fans learn about the lore and where to find it with out you i would be lost in the time line.
Ok real talk.... this actually is pretty dam cool.
When I first heard about it from Arch Warhamer he made it sound ... well worse. The seen is explained quite well. And honestly its kinda cool. It makes crawl a much more... ambiguous character
It's the internet, double check everything, Rho gives a massively less opiniated version of events than most. He's always a good solid base to build this info on.
Avenging Son is a new book - this is part of the fleshing out of the detail that was previously missing and made it all seem a bit daft.
Arch warhammer suffers from the "snobbish posh english accent" where he sounds like he's being sarcastic about topics whether intentional or not. Plus, he seems like the type of WH fan who treats change to establised lore like pandering to the newer generation of WH fans
@@theoneandonlydetraebean8286 lets not beat around the bush, Arch is a complete twat. I was instantly put off by the voice alone (and I am English myself, with an accent some describe as posh - his just seems deliberately exaggerated or affected), but he is also an alt-right bellend who spends his time whinging about 'social justice warriors' and spits his dummy out every time someone suggests that it might be nice to encourage more women to play the game. His whole perspective is warped by his shitty, regressive political views.
Arch Warhammer also likes denying the Holocaust and being a massive racist.
Steer clear of that asshat.
So if Cawl is Faust, then I cannot wait to see him meet Mephisto.
Except they are not similar at all?
I think Belesarius Cawl will be the Imperiums Balthasar Gelt. Their Ally, Their Friend, Their Betrayer, in the words of Makarov. He’s totally gonna go openly chaos with all these new projects he’s making. Also, the Alpha Legion is the Emperors Wild card.
I wish to see legions reinstated, so that we may finally find out how many Black Templars there are.
I think you mean, we can finally see how many Black Templars there can be.
No, I mean there are.
I thought that in 'the great work' when triarch Felix accuses Cawl of wanting to be fabricator general, Cawl responds with, why would I want to do that and be tethered to mars? When I can be out the imperium? and when Felix asks about Cawl minors asking for it he looks genuinely puzzled/ worried before deciding that he would have to visit guilliman in person later to fix it as it should'ent be asking for it. other than that keep up the good work loving the videos Lord Rho)
Always a treat to have another video from the Wolf Lord. Beautiful work as always my friend!
I'll be honest, Cawl kinda sounds and acts like TTS Cato Sicarius.
Yes
"It is I, Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl, yada yada yada..." :D
Cawl: "I have *exceeded* your standards, rejoice!"
Guilliman, underbreath: "Fuckin engineers, adding features, I swear...."
We never over engineer anything!
We just build it right first time...
I wonder if they're aiming for a Cawl is to Gulliman what Malcador was to the Emperor kinda vibe?
Except cawl is a bit more of a dick I suppose
I thought the elf lady was supposed to be the next malcador.
Felt like a moment in Gundam where they showcase the mass productions units for the first time. Except in this case, the mass production units have superior stats.
I feel zeal is a more adapt description of his arrogance.
Another one out the park...
Hmm... I wonder if you get credit for repeat views... I seen everything in your library at least twice these days... LMaO... The Badab series is amazing man... I can't imagine how long it took you to prepare it! Based on what I am learning about producing CZcams videos, I got a whole new level of respect for you guys, especially you, Baldermort, and Leutin.... You guys are so consistent.
I'm a little fuzzy on all of the details, but we know Cawl has the mind of his former supervisor and all her knowledge, and we know he has the memories and expertise of the very man who made the black carapace. He's got all of everyone's notes, including the Emperor's and Lady Astarte's. In ten thousand years he elevates and refines the entire armory of the Space Marines and doubles it in breadth, creates and stabilizes several new organs, and breeds an army in total secret all throughout, and then brings Rowboat out of stasis and aids in his healing. Also, he's a meme lord.
Im surprised that they call each other friend. As Guilliman is one of the most pragmatic primarch out there, its hard for him to trust or make friend with normal human, they cant share the same experiance like him. And Cawl is half way a machine . Sure a Magos biologist respect flesh more than normal techpriest but its still near impossible for cog bois to have any human connection
I dint think Guilliman called Cawl his friend, rather, Cawl called himself Guilliman's friend.
And the way i see it, it was more to assert his influence to the other members and not really to show affection.
Although it could be argued that they do have some sort of friendship
@@lVlicroShot Wel you dont hand suck an important task to any tech priest , even inquisistor in the imperium. Cawl has to be someone special to get that favourite treatment
@@lVlicroShot Partnership alone won't guarantee that kind of trust. They need to write more back stories to explain why Cawl get such resource and authorization from G man
In spite of his Arrogance, I believe Cawl to be loyal, and one of the best chances that the Imperium of Man has at survival.
For he innovates. He improves. He breaks the scales of stagnant rust from the Imperial Frame.
For all the risk he entails, he is necessary.
No he may think that his brilliance can overshadow anything. But he does not wish to be the head of the mechanicum. That's actually a copy of his that wants to place him as the head. There is a bit of lore where he learns of his copies request to Guilliman that he be made the head of the mechanicum. At which point he decides that it is a flaw and makes plans to look into it. There's also another bit of lore where he is talking to the emperor. The emperor tells him that though he may think that he is betraying the emperor and Imperium he has and is not but instead is still working for the emperor under his Direction. After of which Belisarius immediately forgets the conversation ever happened.
There are members of the AdMech who refer to the Emperor as the Omnissiah (and vice versa). While we know a shard of the Void Dragon was buried on Mars eons ago, and is likely where they reverse engineered a lot of their tech and began to worship, they revere and fear the Emperor, and he can somehow communicate with them through the machine. Crazy relationship going on there. Add in Cawl's multiple consciousness personalities...
going by what cawl says in the book the great work I doubt he wants power in it he is surprised when Felix tells him that the cawl "ai" that guilliman talks to say he wants to become fabricator-general and tells Felix he don't like politics
Trayzn & Cawl have to be working together behind the scenes... I'm telling you! Hahaha
Avenging Son/Dawn of Fire was a really good book. The audio version has come in for some criticism because of the way it was narrated, but I really enjoyed the story and the way the series will tie many things together in a far more coherent and chronological way.
Alpha Primus was a failed attempt at recreating a Primarch.
“But what if we had space marine, space marines?”
-GW
Didn't want this video to end.
Just came from the Cawl's story video, and i see no big problem here. Yeah he made better space marines, but was working on it for 10000 years, and even more importantly. He learned the soul merging technic. The Emperor himself is a creation of a similar, if not the exact same action. With that in mind Cawl has the actual potential to become powerful as the Emperor himself. Get enough, and the right souls, and he has all the knowledge, and power to rival the Emperor, and i think that could make him a great villain. Being carried away in his own genius, and start "absorbing" people for power. Becoming a rival to the Emperor, and potentially splitting the Empire into two as he is indeed rival the Emperor's magnificence, and people might decide to go on his side instead. Considering, that he is actually a living acting working being, and not some dude sitting on a throne all the time.
I wouldn't mind if the legion came back but also kept the chapter structure. I think it was the Imperial Fists that had a secret command to bring all chapters back together as one legion force. I believe it was for an ork attack on Terra; not sure.
But as I see it; each new chapter would have their own chapter headquarters on a planet or a ship and would fight their own battles. Yet if it was required; all the chapters could be recalled and reformed into legions of their founders. Then once the threat was neutralized; the legions would break back apart into their respective chapters. So in times of severe crisis; they have the numbers. Yet in times where they need flexibility and ease of movement; they will have the chapters to counter the smaller threats.
Here's what I thought about this scene: Robbys security team IS AWFUL. They missed an entire Legion of space marines right on top (below) of them despite scanning and checking and scanning again.
Looks like The Lion is getting his legion back.