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Which Makita Tools does the NEW 40v 8Ah Battery NOT Fit On? This One May Surprise You?
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2022
- Not all Tools can handle the new 40v Max 8Ah Battery. But which ones? And why?
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The batteries fitting in the vacuum so perfectly actually makes me wanna get the vac+the 2 batteries just for OCD satisfactions ;) then again that's probably a $2000 compulsion purchase
I have an old 18v drill that was restricted to 3ah batteries and after all my 3ah batteries died it became unusable.. i did file the bit of plastic on the tool so my 5ah and 6ah batteries would fit. the only reason i keep the drill is because it has a 3 speed gearbox and is handy for bits that like the extra speed like wire brushes. it doesn't have protection on the tool and being that it's a brushed motor it gets a bit toasty with prolonged use with high capacity batteries but i won't be too sad if it dies one day. i have 3 other drills that are all brushless.
I bought a bunch of XGT tools and a couple of 8Ah batteries. The only tool that wouldn't accept the 8Ah battery was the XGT chainsaw. I just filed down the two plastic pieces on the saw that prevented the battery from sliding on and now it fits snug and clicks in. Not sure why Makita made the chainsaw to only work with the smaller capacity 40V batteries. Maybe they were concerned about the competing weights of other chainsaws with batteries compared to theirs? The 8Ah batteries are huge but I'd rather not carry two batteries into the woods to cut up a downed tree.
Makita has indeed limited the chainsaw to the 5ah battery instead of the 8ah because the bigger battery does in fact actually give more power to drive the motor and will put the chain speed above 25m/s which will ask for different PPE. I do have to say the 40v top handle chainsaw is such a blessing while you are up in the tree because it is lighter than my previous Stihl top handle. the normal Makita chainsaw is nice for around the house but for industrial forestry work i still prefer my trusty petrol Husqvarna (also batteries tend to drain quicker in very cold wheater)
You sound like a man who would know. Are Husqvarna better than Stihl or is it comparing apples to oranges.
@@harveysmith100 this really depends on what type of work you are doing and where. If you are a professional forester or tree surgeon I would recommend Husqvarna especially for colder (semi arctic) climates. If you are not a forester in a cold climate then you could go with both because they are both great brands but Stihl is a bit less suited for the colder (semi arctic) climate. If you use a chainsaw regularly than I would recommend Stihl for the user friendly operations and a great price quality balance. Ease of use includes the most important part changing the chain. On a Husqvarna you need to unlock the chainbrake before opening the cover to change the chain because otherwise you seize the brake in the closed position. This is something that isn’t a problem on a stihl chainsaw. That is why for non foresters I would recommend stihl over Husqvarna because of the price quality balance and the ease of use
@@larsknoop2221I will be moving to Norway soon and am planning on purchasing a couple chainsaws, so I am interested in that topic. I don't mean to downplay your experience but is there any evidence to back up your claim that husqvarna outperforms sithl in cold climate? Your comment peeked my curiosity and I conducted a cursory search online, but I came short of any tangible evidence.
@@lilanedaria There is no real numbers on it that is purely based on my experience with both brands. my Stihl and Husqvarna both have a engine block heater for cold weather but the difference is that my Husqvarna would never cut off when it was cold and my Stihl would sometimes cut off while i was still warming it up before i started sawing because of the cold still works great but if you need to saw a lot you want to be sure your saw does not cut off at a critical moment because of temperatures starting from -15 all the way up to -40
I’”l take a punt that the chainsaw not accepting the 8Ah battery is an OH&S thing - it’s all about barrance glasshopper
Well, i just charge my 2.5ah battery more often😅 jeez if you throw the 8 at someone.. there is a high chance you kill that person. Grenade! 😅
Pretty much all the tools are saws...possibly a safety thing? The 5 and 8 are pretty heavy, if you put a chainsaw or circ saw way out of balance it could be dangerous. The rear handle chainsaw would be fine as the battery is more centralized for balance, but the top handle has it hanging off the back.
Most likely the larger batteries can output more power than the smaller tools wiring can handle under load. Plastic tabs are less expensive than fancy electronics to prevent overdraw, or bigger heavier electronics(wires)in tools trying to be lightweight.
Exactly. Though I will mention that I have tools from another company whose tools are supposedly rated for their highest capacity battery, who also admitted fault to me when I had their 305mm slide saw catch fire due to wiring being too small to carry the current draw under load.
I was given a warranty refund after 3 replacements and have switched to the XGT platform in the hope that with a higher voltage battery the current draw won’t be as high and save the wiring and switches
You could be right, but the fancy electronics are already in there. A brushless motor won't turn without the elctronics to switch the poles on and off. The power can easily be limited by having the poles turn on for shorter intervals.
As an end user, I look at the tools and the batteries and expect they are all interchangeable. I’ve had tools and batteries not fit each other on the 18v system and it’s a pain. A 4ah battery won’t fit my biscuiting machine, so I have to go find a 3ah. It would be good if makita could do away with the lugs and find another solution, like internal electrical magic so the tool and battery talk to each other.
My biscuit joiner fits all 18v batteries, you must have an old one.
@@kizzjd9578 It was purchased about 4 years ago as a skin, from memory the 4ah batteries are older. Ah well, maybe it was an old model when I got it.
@@mycoolcar yea maybe mate, i only got mine last year so id say they’ve modified it abit. It’s still only a brushed model so fk all power but doesn’t need it for biscuits.
@Dr. WomenHateShortMen 🧐 yes but the 4ah and up has a 30amp maximum discharge rating which means more power output. The 3ah is only 20amps and some older tools weren’t designed for anything more than 20amps.
The 8Ah will be useful in lighting as well. No one cares about the weight there is it will come in handy on many sites.
Depending on the environment, buying fancy batteries might be cheaper than an army of sparkies :)
I am still waiting for my PD (Power Delivery standard for charging laptops and other staff). Then I will be able to go car camping and work :)
For top Handel chainsaw i think because it’s a climbing saw they want to keep the weight low and the 8 ah sticks out to much would bump and grab on to things. Bl4040f would be a perfect battery for this tool. Battery size seats perfect in tool light and power.
Can you buy the connector for say the fan or any other tool that takes all batteries? You could also buy the light or the USB power supply as they're cheap. If so, you could swap the connector over (might need desoldering) and then swap it back if you need to warranty.
That's a massive battery
I'm curious if it's a poor man's way to current limit the motor to keep it within a "reasonable" range. The battery and motor from a systems perspective are going to deliver the most power the the least regulated they are and with 8AHr you can dump a lot of energy at once without the battery's voltage dropping to a "low" level and since the tool and the battery are in a balancing act to keep running what you basically will end up with if you have a direct power path is potentially a dangerous thermal situation where those you might be able to just melt the windings immediately. I'm curious if the motors are not regulated whereas on something like the drill driver or a grinder or a big saw they are guaranteed going to be monitored more closely
A brushed DC motor at max would be a dead short. But this chainsaw has a brushless motor. That means that there’s a motor controller inside the tool using MOSFETs to cycle between three phases, using feedback from the motor to determine how long each pulse should be.
This also means that the maximum speed of the motor is trivial to limit, since the motor controller is literally pulsing the coils at the speed of the motor.
if 5 ah doesnt kill it the 8 ah shouldnt either, they use different cells but the same chemistry.
It’ll be interesting to see if Makita go to pouch style lithiums in the future..
Would love a super small pouch battery for smaller tools.
@@ChadTolkien Not going to see small 40V batteries, you must have 10 cells to get 40V, while with 18V you can have just 5 to make small light batteries.
@@Fekillix But with pouch batteries, they are not restricted to certain sizes or shapes, so the number of cells is not an issue.
@@Fekillix but pouch cells can be smaller than an 18650 whilst still having a similar power output (less capacity though). I'd like a 1ah XGT that was about half the size of the 2.5ah, would be great for impact driver.
@@toolscientist Not possible. Look at the DeWalt power stack. It is taller than the DeWalt single row 1.5, 2 and 3Ah batteries and contains 5 cells.
But to get 40V you must have 10 cells, with 5 cells you can only make 18V/20V. So they would need to double the size making it significantly bigger than the current 40V 2.5Ah batteries.
Because one cell is 3.6-4V. 3.6*5=18V. 4*10=40V. The large 18V batteries are 3.6*5+3.6*5. There won't be small batteries on XGT, just like there can't be small FlexVolt batteries (they must have 15 cells to make 54/60V, so even larger).
Good to know i can throw it on the little blow and use it all year on a single charge!
Great review. I always laugh when a battery that giant makes it on to something as small as an impact driver.
Of all the things I expected incompatibility from, it was that
Love my Australian brothers with the Makita tools. We got them here in Canada but not to the level like you guys have them.
I use to have a BHP451 hammer drill. A non-star tool. I cut off the tab to run 4Ah batteries with the star. It made a lot of holes for me. It's an old brushed drill that is outshined by the new drills but it's the tool that got me started in Makita.
Who are these "Australians" you speak of?
@@BuildsStuff Lol, sorry my man. Some of us maple syrup drinkers can't tell the difference.
No worries, you yanks are always getting it wrong.
@@BuildsStuff Who are these "Yanks" you speak of?
Well played fellas
Does the door on the chillie bin actually shut with the 8amp in there? And what’s the run time with them two?
Was wondering that myself looks like it would clash, (esky for us ozzies 😀
Thank you! Just use a drill to remove this square in the saw and everything fits
I had a 1.5 ah lxt battery that wouldn't fit on my drill it kinda made sense in the fact it would be under powered but who cares if all I needed to do was spin something it would still work
I wanna see you use a dremel and grind it down so the 8.0 battery fits then try the tools in a test so see how much the extra pep can have on a board or log.
Can someone please explain in brief what is the main advantage of the 40v platform as compared to 20v? Longer run time? More power? Why not just use a larger battery on the 20v line?
Watts are amps time volts.
Knowing that, a 40v 5ah battery would deliver 200wh whereas a 18v 5ah battery would deliver only 90, or 2.22 times less. So it has more energy inside. Not to mention the higher wattage means more power, and higher voltage increases efficiency, reduces heat, cable sizing, etc.
The more power you have the more sense it makes to increase the voltage, which is why grids use extremely high voltages of up to a million volts. The only downside is that once the voltage passes 50 or so volts, it becomes strong enough to pass the resistance of human skin and will kill you.
@@azsqa6286 thank you
yes for safety, but also for tool longevity. higher output batteries can give off higher current and some smaller tools cant handle continous working with such current. too much current can cause wiring/ electronic failure. that impact driver can be fitted with larger batteries because it’s equipped with thermal fuse, so if all gets hot the fuse will be the first to fail. i dont know about others but that’s what i think .
BS, it's about voltage stability, lower capacity batteries have a higher voltage drop under load, tools will only take the current they are designed to.
Seems like a simple weight and balance control by Makita. Nothing is stopping Dewalt/Milwaukee from using 12/15ah batteries in there chainsaws. You could slap a 1000ah battery on the tool and it’s still going to work the same as a 4ah battery. Torque test channel proved this.
What I took from the torque test channel was bigger battery's provided more power. Is that what you're saying?
If you need 1000Ah , then its easier to use gas powered chainsaw , its way easier to carry 10 gallons of fuel than 1000Ah worth of batteries .
Makita has battery backpacks (33,5Ah PDC1200 and 4 slot version PDC01) and 40V connector for those should fit all tools .
PDC1200 is 1206Wh , thats 33,5 Ah x 36V , price a bit over €1000 ... biggest is Stihl AR300 41,2Ah , but that cost round €2000 .
Interesting that Makita NZ shows that the 10" UC002G is compatible with the 8AH, while the otherwise identical 14" UC004G isn't.
For anyone working at Hikoki that reads this comment, we need a 8ah-36v battery for the multivolt battery line. I am talking from experience after doing quite a lot of heavy duty work demolishing large wood structures with the reciprocating saw(CR36DA), cutting in to reinforced concrete(reinforced with both solid stone and rebar) with the 230mm angle grinder(G3623DA) and last but not least drilled in to concrete with the SDS-Max rotaryhammer(DH36DMA) and it can really drain the batteries fast(yes even the 4ah-36v battery drains fast), so fast in fact that i am stating to worry that it might reduce the lifespan of the batteries to a much larger degree than what is normal. Yes i have the AC adapter but i would much prefer to have to drag along a 36v-8ah or even a 36v-10ah version for that matter than to use the AC adapter on the sort of places i work (I do loads of work requirering both high mobily, strong tools and a battery capacity that allows for prolonged continuos work at high powerdraw).
Omg it must of cost a fortune to make this video lol
Good to know. 40V MASTER RACE!
*Certain people taking a Dremel to their Makita power tools.*
Those are the same people that take a metal coat hanger and drill bit to their AR lowers
A 16AH 18V battery? That’s almost as big as a compact Nuron.
Haha. I love Hilti but the last thing I wanted them to do was make their batteries even bigger!
Just like the old pre 4, 5 and 6ah 18v tools, knock the tab off the tool with a chisel.
Does the 8ah fit the 7-1/4” rear handle circ saw?
Ring your dealwr or Makita in your country?....
Rather than "power" output, because its really the same voltage, i think its more to do with weight of the larger batteries causing imbalance during use, or strain on the case of the tool or the battery itself, leading to product failure. And yes they have been put there for a reason. More likely safety of the user, to hopefully achieve longevity in the battery and the tools, so removing the tabs would be stupid and invalidate any warranty. There is a good choice of batteries. Use the best one for the tool and have a few batteries to choose from 👍
You should make a clay mold if both female and male ports!!! Better visual!!! Or maybe clear hot glue??????
Are you for real??? How much spare time do you think I have!
Very helpful video! I'm wondering is there a difference in quality of makitas made in different countries?
Nah, same quality
yee, fits the fridge. Now just gotta wait for the bigger fridge release
They got a small one coming out too
@@kizzjd9578 the medium one is not big enough for my needs tho :D
Hi do you know if there is a plan also for a smaller battery 40v, sometimes on the impact I need smaller battery, like 2,5 ah on 18v.
Not that I know of yet. And there is no 2.5Ah 18v Makita battery.
@@BuildsStuff yes i meant 2ah my mistake
What I really want Makita to make is a mini fridge with a microwave on top that can charge 2 18V batteries on one side and 2 40V batteries on the other side.
Idk if u will try to use the multitool to saw off the tangs and do an all size fits mine
My Makita duc 306z is running on two 10 ah and two 13 ah batteries That I assembled myself using Samsung cells
What exact cells did you use and how many per pack?
@@riba2233 For 10 ah I use 15 Samsung 35e and 13ah I use 20 Samsung 35e cells
Yo!
Great video!!
What's that Chainsaw that the 8amp battery goes onto? I bought an 8amp just primarily foirwhen i get the chain saw, but if it doesn't fit it's pointless!
Cheers!
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@@BuildsStuff Cheers buddy! Love your work!
How long will the fridge run at say 10°c with the 8s?
At 5°C, in direct sun in nth qld summer, 2x 5ah 18v batteries get about 10 hours. So 2x 8ah 36v batteries would get roughly 36 hours. In the shade I got 24 hours on 2x 5ah batteries.
Hey tools can you do a review on 40v rotary hammers or do you have one already cheers 👍🏼
I have done a couple.
@@BuildsStuff Chainsaw safety gear classes , class ZERO up to 16m/s , usually all mains powered chains saw only do 15 m/s , Class 1 , up to 20 m/s chain speeds (lot of cordless ones are faster) Class 2 up to 24 m/s and Class 3 up to 28 m/s and thats the max speed all chainsaws are restricted to when you buy those .
Of course everyone uses , class 3 anti cut boots and at least anti cut chaps , no one uses chainsaw in sandals and bare legged .
@@BuildsStuff with the larger of the rotary hammers
@@BuildsStuff in particular hr0009g
Curious if the 8ah fits on the 40v plunge saw?
Makita did something similar back in the day with the "then new" 4-5-6ah 18v batteries, that's why I dumped Makita. I wasn't going to stay with a tool brand that forces you to buy new tools just to get bigger batteries. Milwaukee, bosh, ryobi, dewalt, hitachi/hikoki, they never did that to their customers.
Well. Milwaukee had the V28 platform that they abandoned. DeWalt had the 40V platform that they abandoned. The reason Makita did it was because the first iteration did not have thermal protection. When they keep the same platform since 2008 there is going to be some changes.
LXT history , series launched 2005 , they had round 30 LXT tools in 2008 , 4Ah battery came in 2013 , 5Ah battery in 2014 and 6Ah battery in 2016 .
Makita is one of the rare companies that provide batteries to old tools , you can still buy Ni-MH batteries from Makita , to 1990s tools .
Does anyone know if the 8ah battery will fit on the VC008G Backpack Vacuum Cleaner? I would assume it does but Makita should clearify this on their webpages
Yes it does
@@BuildsStuff Hi, thank you for the reply, have a great day, greetings from Norway
I have the 5.0 and it’s meh not really what I expected but definitely better than the 4.0
Hmm I wouldn't think there'd be any difference between the required PPE for the top handle vs the rear handle chainsaw. My guess is that the bars and chains aren't rated for the higher speeds but as another commenter said it could be the wiring. It would make sense they wouldn't overbuild the top handle chainsaw since it needs to be kept light enough for climbing.
How many recharge cycles do these batteries hold up, before you'd have to buy a replacement?
1000-2000, depends on how bad you treat them :)
And the sawsall?
Will the 5ah and 8ah 40v batteries for the 40v makita planer??
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Makita, I PROMISE canada loves you, please send us these tools lol
You'll get them eventually. Just think yourself lucky... you have the invisible battery there.
Does the mower take them?
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It's an extra holding capable for heavy battery.
It's still very disappointing that Makita didn't make 18v and 40v take the same batteries like some of the other tool providers did
It's now rendered the old 18v line eventually end of life which is very upsetting for many of us who had just purchased a number of 18v tools when the 40v was suddenly announced
It's beyond belief any makita didn't at least try and make the batteries interchangeable where possible
I don't think they will stop making 18v tools, they have a massive range. They still do the 10.9 volt (12v now) and they have been out years.
Fantastic 😂😂
Why there is no 3Ah battery when the LXT has 6Ah?
Because of cell output. The 2.5Ah cells can output more power and are cheaper than the 3Ah cells. Makes more sense to go 2.5Ah to 4Ah cells.
@@Fekillix ok, but it does not make sense to have 2Ah and 2.5Ah then? Why would you have only .5 bigger battery in the same size?
@@kolrobi The 2.5Ah cells are from Samsung I think, probably the best price to performance cell, so that is what they use the most. Almost all 18V power tools come in 5Ah kits too. Probably easier to standardize but I agree it is strange to sell a 40V 2.5Ah battery.
@@Fekillix Thanks. It is strange to sell a 2Ah and 2.5Ah in the same size. Everybody will go for the 2.5Ah if bought separately unless comes in a kit.
@@kolrobi the 40V 2ah and 18V are using the Samsung 20R. Good cheap cell that can output 22A. The 40V 2.5ah and 18V 5ah are using the Samsung 25R. Slightly more expensive and only 20A output, but it's the sweet spot cell for power tools.
So the reason for 2ah is simply to have a cheaper option.
Is this a new channel or a rename ?
Not a rename, not a new channel either. This channel has been around for a couple of years and it's where I put vids that are answering people's questions or are too short for Tools & Stuff or a bit off topic or bloopers etc.
I like this channel for quick information, the other is when i want to sit down with a cup of tea and biscuits 🙂, both channels are great.... 👍🏻
Cut tab off
Im affraid people will do this, then "showing off to their friends" use the cordless grinder/hand drill ..... way above its rating and designe either driving 2 inch masonary bits into concreate, or cutting 1 inch angle iron...
The result will be EXTREME POWER DRAW as the owner presses the tool down to do that job..... either the tool motor will smoke as the battery will give that power, or the wires carrying the power will melt, perhaps even a battery explosion.....????.
I would never cut the lugs off, as i wont tempt fate with my life....
Yes people say "only 3 amp more", or something in comments about bushless motors limited by pulses to motor, but its more than 3 amps, and if it was safe than makita would have allowed it.....
Makita have testing labs and haven't given reasons why its not safe to run the 8ah in some tools...... respect their testing and dont risk your life....
Please 🙏