NO MORE CODEX DEATHWATCH? Talking 40K Rumours!
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- We some interesting rumours to go through today, with the mystery codex still waiting to be revealed it seems we may be loosing a couple of 40K Codex's this edition, big news if this is true!
00:00 Intro/Rumour
00:45 Deathwatch Rumour
01:47 Evidence?
02:18 Old Rumours
04:24 My Thoughts
05:46 Another Codex going?
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Valarak now sounds like a proper space marine 😂
@ChapterMasterValRak should have started it with - Brother!!
He sounds like Darth Rak
He sounds like an iron warrior
For real
Plague Marine*
From the sound of Valrak's voice, he's successfully crossed the rubicon. Congratulations on finally becoming Primaris, Chapter Master. o7
He finally swallowed and put his nuts in the right place😂
The Rubicon Pubertious
He’s finally a iron Primaris
I started deathwatch back in 8th and I spent alot of time customizing each model to feel unique. But when GW made almost every squad I own illegal to field at the start of 10th, it took all the wind out of my sails. I just sold my army to one of my mates, so it's not my problem anymore.
Theres a part of me thats all for deathwatch being rolled into an agents codex because they dont really have models outside of a few kits. There's the other part of me thats angry that they are being folded in because the only reason Deathwatch isn't seeing anything is because GW refuses to do anything for them. If GW doesn't roll Grey Knights in, I'd feel really bad for Deathwatch because they are just getting shafted.
I have heard some people justifying this change with statements like "GW cannot come up with several different detachments for DW", which is fair. I would then like to pair those statements with "how many different truly distinct detachments could they come up with for Grey Knights?" Both sub factions are very linear and have mostly one style of warfare to each of them. Grey Knights are small squads of dudes teleporting into battle fighting with a flurry of melee attacks backed up by a few psychically charged ranged attacks. Deathwatch are also small squads of dudes teleporting into battle fighting with loads of short range shots backed up by a few melee attacks with enhanced xeno-tech weapons.
@@chinaman8888 They could do the different types of psychic powers
I am 100% against my DW being folded. We wanted MORE fluff, and this almost guarantees less. Not all of us are beardy, flavour of the dataslate players.. so this sucks. I was hoping for more Artemis fluff, and just a modicum of thought put into the rules.. but alas here we are. I've had Deathwatch since I played the TTRPG back in 4th, and made a Pedro Kantor Sternguard as troops "Deathwatch" force (bought a lot of the shoulder bits from the old command squad to make my own..and then eventually the upgrade kit)... and then they gave me them for reals, and I was in love... I have like 10k pts in various DW/Marine things, and about 100 DW Vets of various types... So this is devastating to me.
"My watch has ended"
Time to go looking for another Army to play.
The Deathwatch have always been the redheaded stepchild of the three Chambers Militant. The Battle Sisters and the Grey Kngihts had their own unique miniatures, meanwhile the Deathwatch for the most part made due with generic Space Marine kits.
I feel bad for those who collected Deathwatch in the last 2 editions as it might mean losing a lot of Primaris units they gained from being part of Space Marines.
Don't feel bad. We have been forgotten so long it's like a meme. Maybe this is a sign to dip out of the 40k hobby. Just have to wait and see.
Been a Deathwatch fan since before they had official kits. Probably got about 2.5k points worth of them. Brutal honesty, I don't like most of the primaris kits/units so I won't be losing all that much if we do get rolled into this Agents book. I'll still be less than happy about losing our individual codex but maybe so something good will come of it all. I do echo Varak's thoughts that Deathwatch should have been front and centre against the nids.
@Highland_Ronin GW fumbled the ball with what could have been a epic narrative. Could have even have a new special character or special kill team.
@@Arjac1312i would have been all over a Deathwatch Kill Team or new special character. At the moment, I'm just trying to get back into the faction after GW rendered my army 'illegal' by restricting the weapon options to what's in the box. Almost all of my squads have illegal loadouts now. And being a fluff centric player, I can't just swap models around because you don't get, for example, two Ultramarines in the same Kill Team.
I feel bad for everyone who played deathwatch, grey knights, renegade guards, legend-ed characters, forgeworld models wiped out of 40k...
Why am I still playing this?
This is a bit of a shame. Deathwatch are such a cool army. I hope they them justice.
If deathwatch are being folded then grey knights should aswell...feels unfair
Ah well, you see the differenece between Deathwatch and Grey Knights is that one of them is interesting
And have more units
What sucks here is that, given the lack of support for Primaris Kill Teams, I expect them to reduce the units to Vets and Watch Captains…. They haven’t let Deathwatch leaders attach to non-kill team units so this could mean we’re losing access to other space marines units. How they play this out could be a dealbreaker for many in the Deathwatch community, myself included.
I still haven't finished my Leviathan box after a year now just because I'm waiting to know what's happening with Deathwatch. The biggest problem is that they're the most expensive space marine chapter to put together, with their mixed specialist kill teams. You have to buy multiple boxes just to create a single unit. That's something most people just aren't willing to invest in when the future of the faction is so uncertain.
Same
I haven't even taken any off the sprue, yet. That also includes the combat patrol and a couple of kill teams.
I bought the Deathwatch Veterans for a full 10-man. But cannot bother trying to spend over $100 for just one of any unit.
I spend a shit load of money and time painting 11,000 points of Deathwatch. I'm pissed that the army is gone. They deserve better.
Well its not gone gone, just not got a dedicated book, I know what you mean though, sucks.
Yeah, man, I feel that. Fuck gw.
I’d recommend waiting and seeing. If DW gets a big section of the book it may be just fine. Don’t give up hope yet.
Maybe Cash Workshop plans to write a new version?
I know this suggestion is going to get laughed at, but....... Drop GWs Customer Service department an email about this.
Yes, they won't do anything about it, but at the absolute minimum they should be made aware of dissatisfied PAYING customers out there (hopefully you won't be the only one making his voice heard!)
Honestly without adding Deathwatch to the Agents, neither one of them would’ve had a full range. I have two veteran squads and one Spectrus, and I’m all for more narrative driven army!
Rolling Daemons and god specific legion into one is great idea. This is how should invading Chaos army looks like, traitors/mutants/cultists backed up by marines and daemons.
But can't you do that now with the current rules?
...can then "replace" the Chaos Daemons codex in 11th with a full-on 'Lost and the Damned' codex to bring ALL the mortal aspects of Chaos into one book; Dark Mech + Vashtorr, Be'lakor, Traitor Guard, Beastmen, Mutant hordes, Chaos Cults, etc, etc...
Rip all the mortal units out of the CSM book so that it will finally be Chaos SPACE MARINES vs. the current BS of it being almost everything but actual marines!
@@DarkApostleNoekI think it would feel better to have better faction support where the mono god armies actually feel backed up by their daemons instead of handicapped by them. Most of us wouldn’t want to take them because they don’t synergize with our rules at all.
A monogod book would incentivize them to let more things synergize and maybe I’d have a reason to take horrors in my Thousand Sons army
Angron fallowed by 7 other demons of khorne perfection
Great idea unless you are a multi god daemon player who gets three quarters of their army invalidated
I'm one of two Deathwatch players in my entire province. I love them to bits, both in their aesthetic and lore. I'm cautiously optimistic about this change, if it is true. I hope GW makes them interesting to play as within Agents, if nothing else.
I know what you mean. I'm the only one at my club but it's fun to be the underdog. There lore is so rad to me it's a shame GW can't write good rules for them of give them love
Was planning on having a quiet bday, then Valrak drops this, confirming what I've been speculating since last year 😉 I've been picking up a lot of Navy, etc, in anticipation, to go with the DW (potentially) - just hope they don't F-up the detachment rules/selections/abilities, like they did with Brood Brothers.
Still... knowing Valrak's voice is sore from wailing and mourning in empathy, at the gravity of the situation for DW players, means a lot 🫡. Thankyou Valrak.
The chaos daemons dex being folded into their respective books is probably the best news I’ve heard for 40K in a while. I LOVE the chaos factions in AoS and having the mixed armies is so good. It’s going to be unfortunate for about a week and then everyone is gonna get over it and realize how much better the other 4 factions feel because of the change.
From one guy under the weather to another, I hope you feel better. Summer sickness sucks!
Always loved Deathwatch, my favourite loyalists for ages. Might start a small force if they’re getting rolled into Agents of the Imperium. I’ve always felt them played as a full Astartes army being slightly off, since I picture them as smaller units of operatives put together for a certain task next to some Inquisitor, a magos xenobiologis, assassin and/or rogue trader etc. If you want like 4000 points of primaris, there’s nothing saying you can’t just run them as normal Astartes. Two different armies, same chapter. I think it makes sense,
I'm going to wait to see how this lands. It doesn't sound like anything is being removed and the current rules around the KT's are missing new units introduced in 10th like the rocket, jump assult and flamer marines.
It could be a huge boon to Deathwatch letting us keep what we've got and letting people expand into inquisitor stuff.... or we're just being taken out back and shoot. I'd personally be pissed since those data cards released at the start that are still up for sale last I checked would be pointless.
I would have thought if they were going to do linked armies you would do the three (main) arms of the Inquisition.
Like the way Drukhari have specialist detachments for their disperate army forms, you would get Hereticus allying with Sisters, Mallius allying with Grey Knights and Xenos allying in with the DeathWatch.
But there is no way they would (or can now) fold in the Sisters as they are both too big (and politically important) and already have a codex release.
I'm so glad I spent all of the time converting a FULL deathwatch army. Included veterans, promaris, and quite a few tanks...
But you can still use them, now with even more options? Or am I missing something?
Depending on how the new rules are laid out in the Agents codex, you might still be able to use all your Deathwatch models in a full Agents army. If not, you can still use the Space Marine codex rules, no one should have any reason to stop you from doing that (since all your models should be comparable to Marine codex models).
Have like 5000 points of deathwatch fucking RIP. Feel your pain just started building and painted them this year. 1st they nerf my 16frag launchers. GW fucked me
@@scarecrow2621 Really depends on what we get from the codex. I am of the opinion that parts of the army will be available, but the pure "kill team" army will not be a thing. Unless the codex is going to be huge.
@@corgisunleashed4700 Thats why I didnt bother with the frag launchers. xD I saw they were broken and knew immediately they werent worth the investment for my DW. I am sorry you are having this happen after spending money on that unit.
Raspy Rak
Chapter Master Valrasp
As a deathwatch player I’m very torn with what’s happening. I guess we will have to see what’s in the book before passing judgement, hopefully they will still have a meaningful roll
Might as well put Grey Knights in Agents of the Imperium as well
It’s got a large enough player count + strong independent strategies.
Deathwatch makes sense given the weird mix of squad composition, poor edition performance in GTs and nothing that gels. I may be wrong but I think player count in GTs is also quite low?
I definitely understand why they would be doing something like this. Grouping things together saves resources and is a bit cheaper for them to produce. Still though, kinda boring that they are doing it. The Deathwatch not having its own codex is just another expression of how generic things are getting. Thankfully I have the older edition Deathwatch codexes. They are gems of art and lore.
That being said, its interesting that the Deathwatch have their own info section in the 10th edition codex but their flyer is not featured in it.
I hope you're feeling better tomorrow brotha!
While it makes sense because the death watch because they are under the inquisition in lore. It sucks that there isn't going to be a stand alone codex for them.
Nooo as if!? I have 3000 points of DW and I loved that they had their own codexes. They didn't need integrating into other factions, they needed expanding with more models... FFS...
I think Deathwatch going away is rough; I hope that they are at least like Agents of the Imperium currently where you can take up to a certain amount of points of their cool squads and models, and then maybe you just play Space Marines with a splash of Deathwatch-unique stuff.
I love Agents of the Imperium becoming its own codex! Now that souping imperial units is gone (it was never good but now it’s literally not playable), I hope that Agents of the Imperium brings back the ability to Frankenstein together multi-faction task forces of things like, say, Sororitas+Guard, in a manner at least similar to how it’s done with Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubric Marines in the Chaos Space Marine codex. Even if that doesn’t happen, I look forward to playing lots of Arbites and putting my friend’s orks in prison haha
I'm actually pretty stoked that they'll get roled into Agents of the Imperium. Hopefully it'll give them a different list instead of them being just another space marine chapter.
I just finished a 2k army of death watch……..
Same. T-T
I have way more than 2k lol, guess it's going to be gathering dust now!
Same here brother. Guess I will just focus on somthing other than 40k
As someone who is starting out and dialed in immediately on Agents and creating lore to include all of my factions in the fold. Agents of the Imperium refresh is exciting.
As long as the deathwatch get there dues, I think this could be great, but I’m not holding my breath.
I think I say this more about GW than anything else I say about them but GW have no fucking clue what they’re doing. Deathwatch was one of the coolest “chapters” out there because of their lore and now after all these years GW are just like “fuck it, sling em in with them because we can’t be arsed to do anything with them” 100% Deathwatch should’ve been used for 10th it would’ve made perfect sense but again nope… GW are fucking clueless
Deathwatch into AoI makes sense as long as there are rules (and it sounds like there will be) for Ordo specific armies.
One thing I hope comes with rolling DW into AoI is creating access to a motorpool for the Inquisition. Something that allows your Inquisitor to bring the vehicle they want regardless of who they are rolling with. Something like making the Black Star, Razorback, and Rhino options no matter who the Inquisitor deploys alongside.
As a Sororitas player, I'm excited to potentially have another army I can play with very little investment. I dont expect characters to be usable, and maybe things like the Exorcist. But I fully expect to be able to use at least most the old Witch Hunters era stuff in an Ordo Hereticus detachment. Add a couple inquisitors and retinues (super fun to convert so an extra bonus there), plus an assassin or two and maybe one or two units like Arbetes and Imperial Navy and boom - another army. And as an added bonus many Imperial Agents units already are also made for Kill Team. I can see if making me a *very* happy gamer over the next few years.
Oh and thinking about it, having Daemons and CSM combined and sharing detachment rules would certainly get me more excited for them as armies.
It honestly does make sense to tie the daemons in with the chaos space marines that worship the chaos gods. Kinda makes it a bit more organized
I don't really have any opinions on Deathwatch because I don't really play Space Marines, but I'm having fun with 10th edition. I play Crusade, so having my Skitarii force fight a bunch of dudes in an ongoing narrative, leveling them up, expanding their army was a really fun experience!
Love your content brother! But you sound like scary spice from Bo'selecta 🤣
Adding daemons back into the csm faction is good for me. Death guard in 8th used to have plague drones, plague bearers etc in their codex and had them removed in 9th. Lore wise makes sense to be able to deploy a combined nurgle army.
Daemons getting added to the God-specific legions just makes so much sense. Adding Bloodcrushers to World Eaters so their cavalry characters can have units to lead would be excellent
I like the idea of deathwatch being in the agents book, and likewise for god specific chaos stuff. I still hope they allow players to use deathwatch and chaos demons as thier own army to allow collectors a chance to adjust to the codex beng dropped entirely. I think belakor would go well in a dark mech/ traitor codex with Vashtorr if they don't want to place him in CSM.
Be'lakor totally makes sense in Chaos Space Marines, he's in Slaves to Darkness in AoS and was in Chaos Warriors in Fantasy as wel
I’m actually so excited for this codex, nothing will bring me more joy than purging the mutant with a mixed army of so many cool models
By all rights, this may be an upgrade to Deathwatch. It's the exact same issue we had with Harlequinns; there are just too many factions doing just slightly different things. Its probably a pain in the ass balancing these super skewed factions, and your army was really just 1-3 datasheets. This may give you more support to make a Deathwatch focused army mixed with other Imperial forces.
Grey Knights and Custodes should have been merged into this rumored Agents of the Imperium codex if you ask me. DA, SW, and BA and an 8 detachment deep codex that (that the other codexes can still somehow use) is more than enough stand-alone marine factions for the Imperium.
I got into the game at the tail-end of 9th edition. I learned Blood Angels, and then 10th started up. As of now, I've only been playing for a little over a year. All that to say,I love 10th.
Folding the DW into the Agents of the Imperium wouldn't be that bad to me, and I'm a Deathwatch player (my custom chapter uses their rules). It would probably be nice for us to get more fun uses of Agents/Inquisition units.
Some units that I'd really love to see from GW for the Watch if we were to get some new stuff...
- Primaris Veterans (give DW the ability to form squads with all the options from the tacticus and older veteran range), Gravis vets (imagine a hv.intercessor with the option to take assault bolters and melee options).
Would also like some units from other factions/older units that disappeared from the Inquisition example - Inquisitorial StormTroopers (Kasrkin/Scions, would make up for the watch not getting scouts). More versions of Inquisitors (power/artificer armored versions, like lord inquisitors should).
Honestly the Deathwatch thing depends fully on what they do.
I hope the Detachments have special Soup rules so you can include like 1000 Points Sisters for example in the Detachment themend after them and the same with the gray knights one.
And IF Deathwatch is the overall troup choice you could have an imperial agents army in which you can have marines and sisters fighting side by side maybe? I think that could be great and instantly puts the new codex/faction on a whole other level of proxying armies together and comboing stuff
As one with a huge DW collection, I'm good with them being folded in to Agents. I can always run them as a different detachment (which is a very DW sort of thing to do as they're all Space Marines all the time) and maybe now there will be more viable KTs than just DW vets and the one viable team.
Don't worry Valrak, your voice is never the best...
But the deathwatch will come out with a new Titus model in my dreams 😢
I kind of like the idea. You could make a mixed space marine astra militarum army with some assassins sprinkled in.
If they do it right, each of the Ordos armies would have enough detachment abilities to play the chamber militant as the traditional faction army, the chamber militant if led by an Inquisitor directly, and at least one other which leans into the hodge podge nature of the requisition of resources that gets really fun/silly alliance armies. This way, things like Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and Sisters don't lose their individual flair while also creating something new.
I'm looking forward to what they'll do with new any new Agent models down the road. New Inquisitors, new Retinues, new cultist/acolytes, and more specialized equipment/vehicles for each of the Ordos would be awesome to collect at the very least.
Have you heard any Old World rumours in the whispers of the warp? Anything for the next upcoming factions and what new models they will receive?
Is the Deathwatch Codex going away or is it being upgraded to the Agents of the Imperium and having related allies added. This feels more like Custodes becoming Talons of the Emperor with the Sisters of Silence than the Deathwatch not being a thing.
Will have to see how squeezed the Deathwatch themsleves would be if it came to it.
i'm for this change - that being said im not a huge space marine fan nowadays and i was a huge fan of the Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters books back in the day.
Deathwatch will be big in 11th edition when the 4th tyrannic war actually happens 😅
That's a great Jon Snow impression
Death who? Serious question, I can’t understand what Valrak is saying.
I’m actually really excited for this and I think it is a great idea for the Deathwatch to be included as part of Agents of the Imperium. GW needs to push HARD on the AotI going forward.
As a loyal death watcher since 7th Ed, I’m hit or miss by this, if deathwatch can still use all their options (and hopefully some new options) this is a good thing especially if they are stronger for it and can be used a elite supplemental force (as was their original design)
The bad out look is this could be GW looking to slowly phase them out. Which I don’t like DW is my favorite lore and faction of the imperium.
DW and also GK have not specifically received a unique primaris unit(fortis kill teams do not count that it literally buy a DW sprue for a existing unit, I’m talking 100% new and unique model and kit)
Which tells me they may be looking to slowly discontinue support for the faction and leave them on life support for a few years before full discounting the rules for the faction.
Either way this is a mixed bag. Has potential to be good has potential to be bad.
I do wish deathwatch would get bespoke for Killteam 2nd edition cause they could really shine as a faction there.
I'm sure this is a bummer for the Deathwatch players (all 5 of them), but I'm excited by the idea that I might get to take Terminators in a Sororitas army.
Get well soon Valrak!
So Agents of the Imperium codex is going to be like the Ynnari list (which folds in units from Eldar, Dark Eldar and Harlequins)?
I think it's a pretty safe bet Be'lakor would be in the CSM book like he was in 7th iirc. Though tbh he would have been in it already. Still though, here's hoping!
I know your a big fan of the law and fluff of the 40k universe. I'd love to get your opinion on what's currently happening in the law?
I mean what is actually happening? The 10th tyranic war has started. But it's been radio silence. The necron prohigher nexos (what ever it's called) is that over? How did that finish?
I managed to get tickets to the 40k narrative event in November that covers the Chalnath Expanse. And supposedly our games will shape the 40k law narrative... how that will happen I don't know.
Anyway keep up the good stuff buddy.
Whatever gets us closer to Imperial soup! Then hopefully we'll get Chaos soup and also GSC+Tyranids. We need this, GW!
I just really hope we'll be able to ally deathwatch into marines likes current agents. i would love to get a small force
I think Be'lakor will be added to regular CSM codex by faq or something, just like Vashtorr. As an alternative it could appear in all codexes of the god's exclusive legions. Sad thing. I wanted my Word Bearers to be able to summon all kinds of demons
Belakor will be in the standard chaos codex. Technically going forward the black legion codex
I’m not a 40k player but I do have a couple of DW kill teams. Can DW players just use the SM codex if they want to run an army?
I’m liking this. Deathwatch shouldn’t be the same as generic marines any more than the grey knights. I do like the idea of it being rolled in with the inquisition and all that good stuff.
I also think the chaos god specific stuff being rolled in together is a great idea. That way you could haven detachment rules for using just daemons or just marines or a mix, and given how chaos can ally it wouldn’t make a huge difference if you wanted to play a mixed daemon army.
I’m enjoying 10th and the way these rules are looking it seems they’re allowing things to live up to some potential. A tiny bit of flavour has gone but nothing dramatic. I played since 2nd edition so I’m used to vanilla and generic factions. Excited to see what’s next!
Space Marines have a bazillion detachments I can already play my Deathwatch as. I’m not concerned not having a codex of our own. If they pull it right, an Ordo Xenos detachment with inquisitors, requisitioned astra militarum and deathwatch would be much more interesting than a few more space marine detachments.
DW is the army that got me into the hobby. GW did DW dirty when 10th started, because they took away the rules that made kill teams special. Lack of customization, weird unit limitations, loss of battleline, no original unit rules, and high point cost meant a DW army was no longer built around kill teams like they were in 9th. Now they're just another SM list with a Proteus kill team thrown in. If getting mixed in with AoI means I get to keep my dreadnoughts play a kill team focused list again, I'll be happy. If it means I can only take one kill team and a bunch of inquisition troops, it might be time to move on to another hobby.
Agents of the imperium with Deathwatch kill teams are going to be so cool. I like this change.
Did the Great Prophet tell you about the future releases of the World Eaters and the Death Guard?) And when will there be a new Huron model)?
when the death watch came out they were allied/ upgrade to your marines . as they should be individual kill teams supporting other imperial forces I like the idea of them being inquisitorial agents of imperium.
I am Agents should be an ally for other Imperium units that may gain small buffs or bonuses.
I would love my Deathwatch Veterans (underrated unit) to get buffs from the Dark Angels and be next to Deathwing Termies lol.
To be honest both them and Grey Knights should be folded into special detachments that any imperial army can use
They already function more as kill teams than dedicated forces so it makes sense
Even if it kinda sucks for those that make full armies of them
Personally I'm looking forward to Agents.
I can see each Ordos Combat Patrol containing similar units alongside their dedicated militant arm. For example:
Inquisitor (possibly named)
Inquisitorial Henchmen
Imperial Infantry unit (navy/arbites etc)
Ordos Militant (sisters/Grey Knights/Deathwatch) In squads of 5-10
I miss the old Daemon/Witchhunters codex and would love a return to those kind of books.
I'm okay with this seeing as I just bought deathwatch items. I think this is great if we can be veteran level units.
Valrak doing his best impression of leandros
Is this a problem these days?
I've only recently started looking at 40k again (I haven't played since 2nd edition), but in this age where all the unit rules seem to be included in card packs and generally online/in app where they can be quickly erattad, do factions even need a codex at all?
It seems to me that all that would be exclusive to them would be lore and painting guides which could be divided between white Dwarf and the occasional book/ebook release with nothing but lore from a few factions in it?
An excellent faction with many unique rules and game mechanics. At the moment, this faction is not popular not because of its boringness, but because of the total laziness and irresponsibility of the GW employees. Once again, the developers of GW show their unprofessionalism, not noticing another opportunity to improve the game through a cool unique faction. At the end of the year they will whine and snot that they are experiencing financial losses again.
They won't whine they'll just increase prices 6% next spring
Dang I’ve been slowly building a Chaos Demon army. Does anyone think they will end up folding the Dark Eldar into Craftworld or GSC into the Tyranids?
Grey Knights feel a lot more independant than the Deathwatch. Makes more sense they keep their codex. The vibes I get from Deathwatch is like the Assassinorum.
I like the chaos one too since it makes sense with EC coming out. Daemons have the issue of each start collecting being monogod. Poorhammer has shown a lot how building a combat patrol thats all 4 is real hard
I don't hate the idea of my deathwatch and agents of the imperium in one codex, it would be cool to be able to take a single deathwath unit with my catachan army as a "retinue" unit.
If they add deathwatch to the agents I’ll definitely start an army
DW ending up in Agents will probably be fine; People with DW armies that are mostly non-DW exclusive units can use them with most of the regular marine detachments. Those with mostly DW exclusive forces also will be able to include Inquisitorial units easily (depending how the codex is built of course), and depending on how allies work in that codex you might as well just be able to mix your DW-specific and generics marine units willy nilly.
I also predict, with no basis and for no reason, that the Ordo Xenos Army box will contain a 5-man deathwatch veteran kit. With some luck it might even be a new kit, but that would be me overdosing on Hopium.
It would be desaster if daemons won't get their own codex. They have such a cool gameplay and model range. And it feels really good to place undivided force of ruinous powers on the table
i can see bel'kor going into chaos space marine codex in future of 40k eds.
As long Deathwatch is not fully removed, I'm fine with it. Deathwatch is also in Space Marine 2 so I don't see them fully remove them.
The only plot line is Abaddon's push to Terra. Everything else is marketing to sell models.
GW....let's see how this all rolls in the future.
I've wanted a proper Agents codex for years. Slightly annoyed that I sold off my Deathwatch less than a year before it finally comes out and includes them, though.
It's about time that Deathwatch went back to being an add-on to another codex!
You mean like last edition?
Why they cant come up with detachment rules if many rules are the same unimaginative crap that other detachment or unit rules have. DW is just creating more combinations of units, but instead of just mixing crap, having less option but better units, like a dreadnought/terminator team, predator protected by shielded veterans, then detachment for different kinds of units and weapon types, one heavily buff blast weapons, another assault, heavy, lethal, sustain, maybe a detachment that allowed to mix your own Kill team up to ten models same T infantry, up to 2 walker, vehicule, tank with up to 8 infantry same T. 1 heavy unit with 5 infantry, 1 heavy with 2 vehicule tank or walker, with a fixed ability or they keep their own.
For the GK they already have the Master of the warp, wisdom of the prognosticar and Brotherhood of psyker as base how wouldn't they create new more "easy" detachment. Nah but for real if they dare to erase those three armies i juat hope all the people who ever collect them give the finger to GW and never buy again
I also really like the idea of the demons being rolled into their respective "partner chapter", you mentioned the unaligned demons, i belive that those would be present in each chaos codex as an allie or supplement.
Speaking as a primarily Daemons player, I like the idea fluff wise, and I think it's good for AoS, but I feel like folding in the mortals takes away a bit of the Daemonic feel. The unique rules that having pure Daemons let them do. The Warpstorm mechanics from previous editions and even the current SoC rules are fun, but maybe new 'Daemon Only' detachments will keep some of that. We'll see.
No, just no, I hate the idea. It basicially folds years and years of build up lore of each Cult Legion into ''oh they are just mortal followers, just like AoS lmao'' and that is disgusting. Even from fluff wise, Daemons and Legions are VERY different and they don't always work together. It is a very dumb idea.
Watch Masters, is it over?