"Looker" was released about six months prior and it has a lot of CGI, including a scene where a person is 3-D scanned and you can see the animation as the details fill out. Tron was released a month after Khan, but it's hard to know how much of it was produced before the Genesis clip. BTW, "Looker" is worth a watch. It's a science fiction murder mystery. Its rendition of technology doesn't hold up well, but the story has become more relevant with the rise of AI. It was written and directed by Michael Crichton, same as Westworld.
Fun fact: the scene at Spock's funeral when Kirk's voice breaks wasn't just acting. Shatner and the rest of the cast were all really emotional in this part because they thought they really were saying goodbye to Spock's character, and his voice really broke just before he said, "...human."
I attended the champagne gala world premiere of "The Wrath of Khan." I was interviewed by a local news reporter at the end of the movie. With tears running down my face all I could say was "It can't be over, this can't be the end..."
Saavik is supposed to be Spock's protege. Half Vulcan, half Romulan. In the Starfleet Academy she was in the softball team and was called Photon Torpedo because of her throwing arm.
The new uniforms transfer the division colours to the undershirt, a single band on the sleeves and the shoulder tie (which also holds the rank insignia). White is command, pale green is medical, teal is science, yellow is engineering, red is tactical and also doubles for cadets. Khan is playing chess. But Kirk is a master of 3-dimentional chess (the 23rd century version). He's even beated Spock on more than one occasion.
I recall being at the first showing on the first day in my town. The theater that was showing it was ancient, and I remember looking up into the projection booth before the show started. The projector looked like an absolute relic. I remember thinking there's no way that thing is going to survive this whole movie. Sure enough when the film started there was no sound. They were fighting to fix it but left the movie running. The first sound came up during the scene where Khan was jamming the transmition from the genisis station. The first line we heard was Carol Marcus saying "I can see you but I can't hear you"... suddenly a voice called out from the back of the theater. "YEAH, THERE'S ALOT OF THAT GOING AROUND TODAY!!!"
Kirk's reprogramming of thr Kobyashi Maru scenario, is explained in the TOS novel,"Kobyashi Maru". He gave himself a reputation as a highly skilled warrior, worthy of respect. This greatly impressed the Klingon in charge. Kirk tells the Klingon his name. The Kkingon responds, "THE Captain Kirk?!?", which causes Kirk's crew to start laughing. And the virtual Klingons negotiate a peaceful rescue of the Maru's crew and passengers.😅
As Empire Strikes back is the best of Star Wars, Wrath Of Khan is the best of Star Trek. Truly great motion picture that I was lucky enough to see when it came out. I was just a boy and it was awesome. Motion Picture and Khan were shown last year in my local cinema once more and I went to each three times to relive those epic scenes up on the big screen. This is a film you really must see in the cinema.
"Is he struggling to come to terms that he's getting older?" -- Yes. That was one of the underlying themes of "Wrath of Khan", and a conscious decision by the scriptwriter and director; instead of trying to hide the characters' ages with makeup, lighting tricks, and soft-focus lenses, Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer decided to lean into it and acknowledge the passage of time between the original series and the movies. "Will he go to Genesis and be reborn?" -- Well, obviously, we know that *now.* :-) But when this film came out, it was by no means certain that Nimoy would return for any more movies, or that there would even *be* any more. In fact, it wasn't even originally intended to leave an opening for Spock's return at all; the quick cutaway where Spock mind-melds with McCoy and says "remember", and the scene of Spock's torpedo/casket lying intact on the ground of the Genesis Planet, were last-minute additions.
Chekov wasn’t introduced into the Original Series until after ‘Space Seed’, but Walter Koenig made his own head canon that Chekov was on the Enterprise at the time, but he was a low-ranking member at the time. He also joked that the reason Khan remembers Chekov so well is because Chekov made him wait a long time to use the toilet. That’s an image; the great Khan, crossing his legs in frustration, only for Chekov to finally come out, and to tell him the toilet’s now clogged and he has to find another one three decks down. It’s just makes their exchange at the beginning seem even more threatening.
The scene where the Reliant and Enterprise meet for the first time is a masterclass in tension & movie scoring. Both ships have there themes dueling together. The shots get closer in and the music builds as they cut back and forth. I really don't think they could improve on this cut.
I was only 3 years old when this film was first released, but I did get to see it in theaters for its 40th anniversary, just a couple of years ago, with my mom. This is not just one of the best sci-fi movies ever made, but one of the finest films in its own right, in my humble estimation. James Horner’s score for this film is my absolute favorite of all time. 🖖😀
After the first several episodes of Star Trek aired, a review was written about it in the Soviet state newspaper Pravda. This article complained that Star Trek was being Western-biased, by not including any Russians in the cast. Despite Russia being one of the most successful in space exploration at the time. Most rarely gave any heed to anything that propaganda rag said . But Gene Roddenberry did. Pavel Chekov was assigned to the Enterprise bridge. And he became a beloved cast member.
10:39 "I've Noticed That They're Wearing Red Outfits, Not, Blue, Red Or Gold" The reasons for the changes to the uniforms in Star Trek II from what they were in "The Motion Picture" was because the way the uniforms were designed made it impossible for the cast to go to the bathroom without being accompanied by members of the costume department to assist them in getting into or out of the Starfleet uniform costumes, which George Takei (Sulu) had said that unless they'd changed the design of the costumes to where the cast members could "Answer Mother Nature's Call" without having to be assisted by the costume department, they'd have refused to film any future Star Trek movies (TBH, I can't say that I blame them for taking that stand) Also, it you've noticed the under shirt and accents on the tunic are different colors
I am so glad that someone has finally watched the Director's Edition. It added a lot to the narrative, especially regarding Scotty's nephew, Peter Preston, played by Ike Eisenmann. In the standard version there is no mention of their family connection. I hope that you are going to watch the other films.
My introduction to the film was the ABC version which has all those restored scenes along with different take of other scenes. I had seen the third film in theaters as a child but hardly remembered any of it so I was technically going into this one blind. My brother and I ended up watching it over 50 times. We were thrilled to finally be able to see it in theaters two years ago. As a thematic and character-driven film it is absolutely brilliant and that is why it still hits home 40+ years later.
So glad you chose the Director's Cut, definitely the better version of the film, even if only for the added scene giving Peter Preston some context as Scotty's nephew.
The character of McGivers was included in early scripts. The actress who played was still available as her muscular dystrophy had not progressed to the point ehere she was wheelchair bound yet (that happened in the mid 80s and she continued acting in roles that accomadated her wheelchair). But when director Nicholas Meyer rewrote the script, he had the character having died in order to provide more motivation for Khan's vengeance. Khan's second in command, Joachim, was originally supposed to be Khan's son. An interesting comparison with Kirk's son, David. But that relationship was removed. The actor who played Joachim, Judson Scott, had his name removed from the credits because his agent tried to get him higher billing and the negotiations failed. So he ended up with no billing. I hope he fired his agent because it's the most notable role he ever had. I believe the Genesis device condensed the nebula to form a the Genesis star. Nebulas are regions of elements like hydrogen and other matter that clump together and eventually become dense enough to attract other matter and become a star and leftover material that forms the planets around it.
Joachim was in Space Seed, played by a different actor. Khan spoke to him specifically, naming him, when they were all lined up after reawakening. He was the one who beat up Uhura in the briefing room.
@1:38 "We're going into battle?! We haven't seen a spaceship batle at all so far" Haha, brace yourself for spaceship battles then as it's the one with spaceship battles that set the bar for spaceship battles 😄
Spock had such a difficult time while filming “The Motion Picture” that he only agreed to return after being promised a great death scene in this movie. After it was leaked that Spock would die in this movie, the Kobayashi Maru scenario was added to trick fans into thinking that THAT was the “Spock’s death” that they had heard about.
I would strongly, strongly recommend watching the episode "Amok Time" before you attempt Star Trek III. The movie assumes that you know certain things from that episode. You should also check out "Journey to Babel" before watching Star Trek IV. Again, the film plays off certain character dynamics from that episode.
Watching this in the cinema in summer 1982 eleven year old me was absolutely wrecked by Spock's death. It's a brilliant film. Essentially Moby Dick as a submarine war thriller but in space and with added meditations on life and death and ageing. Live long and prosper. 🖖
I also saw it in the theater, but I was six. My brother & sister took me to it. As a younger kid, I still didn't have that "Don't talk in theaters" rule ingrained in me yet. My sister still brings up how a lot of the audience found it hilarious, like when McCoy says "If she couldn't obey she's finished" to which I replied "I'll bet they're not!" As for the allegory of this movie, from adulthood on, I've thought of this as Das Boot in space, but now I think I'll revise it to be Das Boot meets Moby Dick in space. It's still my favorite Trek movie, followed by 1 & 6 tied for 2nd, and First Contact at third.
If you watch the JJ Abrams version, you learn that Kahn was the most formidable and dangerous foe that the Enterprise ever faced. The truth is that Kirk couldn't have won without Spock, it took both of them, and a costly sacrifice, to succeed.
I completely enjoyed your reaction. I remember being a kid, growing up watching reruns of TOS as well as Saturday morning reruns of the animated Star Trek. And then, just as i heard Star Trek 3 was about to premiere at the movies, my parents rented Star Trek The Motion Picture and this movie. As I mentioned in a previous comment, this movie helped shape my love of Star Trek. In order to answer more of your questions, I would probably get into that dreaded Neutral Zone of Spoilers, so I would say that to find more answers, you just gotta watch Star Trek 3!
Walter Koenig was not yet part of the crew when space seed played, however he became such a big character and such a big part of Star Trek. They automatically just put him into the part as if he was there but not yet a bridge member so Khan would have encountered him.. this is a very excellent First look at a movie. I've watched many people do this and the way you did it is so much better. Most people are so annoying. You made it more interesting... My friends call me a walking Star Trek encyclopedia lol
Besides he had to keep up the tradition that his role in the movies is to scream. Chekov was injured on the bridge in TMP, now has to scream because of the parasite in his ear, I don't remember a scream in III but he definitely screams again IV.
It was widely known at the time Leonard Nimoy (Spock) didn't' want to do more Trek, in fact the 'hints' at the end were shot in case they could get him back. At this stage there was a very strong possibility this was the end for Spock, so the death hit even harder at the time. lol "we haven't really seen any space battles yet". btw no, it is not often we see 2 or more starfleet ships together. Right through the movies and multiple series it's always a special moment when it does happen. There is something about the way they shoot them and the designs that emphasizes their sheer bulk and give a bit of the old ocean liner feel. Others have rightly mentioned Das Boot.. be sure to add that to your 'must watch' list
Put Dickens' 'A Tale of Two Cities', Melville's 'Moby Dick', and some Shakespeare in a blender for themes. Add some WWII submarine movie for action, as in TOS' 'Balance of Terror'. Chapel's not in this one, but the Australian guy from TOS has a small part as _Reliant's_ comm officer.
They still used color in the uniforms to distinguish station on the ship. Kirk and Spock had white collars, Saavik's was red, Sulu's was blue, McCoy's was green. There had been rumors of Spock's death for months before the release of the film. On opening day, people drove their cars around the cinema parking lot calling out "the vulcan buys it." But most of us thought the training scene is what the spoilers meant, and we thought "these guys are jerks, but no harm done." We still weren't prepared for Spock's Kobayashi Maru maneuver. There was a small souvenir poster given away to the audiences of the early screenings on opening day, which was kind of cool. Seeing this film for the first time on the big screen was spectacular. Seeing the Enterprise fired upon for the first time was terrifying. Kirsty Alley got the "and introducing" credit in this movie. She gained more widespread fame by way of later television series, and several personal roller coasters. For a time, it seemed like she was every breathing hetero male's fantasy. You caught a glimpse of Spock's telepathic ability near the end with McCoy. It's developed over several episodes of the original series and is an important capability throughout the franchise, as is the neck pinch that Spock used on McCoy.
The turtleneck shirt worn under the “Monster Maroon” uniform tunics, as well as the tunic strap and pant stripe, indicate which department division they are. The exception to the pant stripe is for command, which is red. White is command, light green is medical, Windsor Green is security, Flame Red is cadets and trainees, grey is science, black is enlisted, Orchid Yellow is operations. An Admiral will have gold stripes in certain areas of the uniform, mainly one that follows the black stripe on the front of the tunic and a single stripe in the center of the red pant leg stripe.
you are lucky that the whole series of movies with the original cast member movies are completed. when Stark Trek 2 first came out we had to wait years for Star Trek 3.
Walter Koenig wa😮s not yet part of the cast of TOS, by the time "Space Seed" was produced. The recognition of Chekov is a continuity error of sorts, usually rationalized as an off screen meeting.
Background Information: In the beginning there was Star Trek:TOS eventually followed by Star Trek:TAS and then there was the proposed Star Trek: Phase II which eventually became Star Trek:TMP. Phase II was a revival of the TV show - Nimoy was not interested in playing Spock again for a TV show - so they hired another actor* to play a Vulcan (Xon) who unlike Spock would be fasciniated with human emotions and wish he had them. When Phase II evolved into the movie they asked Nimoy again to reprise Spock for the movie and he agreed (without the hassle of a week to week show he couldn't pass up the money). Before Phase II Nimoy had written a book titled "I am Not Spock" - about acting, playing Spock, typecasting and c'mon I've done other things - so people weren't totally shocked that Spock died in this one. More info once you watch Star Trek 3 (I'll give you a hint - look at the director credit).. TOS - The Original Series (3 seasons) TAS: - The Animated Series (2 seasons - the original actors providing the voices) TMP - The Motion Picture TWOK - the movie you just watched TSFS - the next movie . * he did appear in TMP as the commander of the Federation base that gets destroyed.
Dude you are clairvoyant! You picked up on a lot of details I'm sure a lot of us wouldn't have even noticed until repeat viewings. 10 minutes into the movie: "I wonder if Kirk will go through his own Kobayashi Maru test at the end of the film?" ------ !!!!! I like how you watched the special edition too -- the regular one still had Scotty's nephew die but they cut out the fact that he was related to Scotty. It wasn't til I saw the movie for the 999th time that I realized he was crawling back into the closing door to save the trapped crewmen when they were getting blasted.
32:55. I had a friend that worked this film and she told me a little story about how they pissed off the costume designer so he made the white strip going over the right shoulder look like a penis. They edited it out as much as they could but this scene really shows it well.
Spock is only a short time dead, if this relieves your mind. Watch part 3, The search for Spock and it will all come into place why Spock did a short mind meld with McCoy before he fixed the ship
Still think you needed to jump on via the original show for A LOT of context of who these characters are, but kudos for watching the extended edition which has some longer scenes and other material. This one just cooks from start to finish. The drama, action, humor and that finale? It hits all the feels. Give TOS a go then start on the TNG series.
@@WillTalksMovies Great review, so glad you at least saw "Space Seed" before watching this movie. Hope that you'll consider reacting/watching the entire Classic Trek series in the future to really add to your appreciation of the original Enterprise crew 🤨🖖
Why didn't Terrell and Chekov just get themselves beamed up, from inside the cargo carrier, instead of going outside, to be captured by Khan and his team?
I have always loved Star Trek. Its constant references to literature expanded my reading interests because I wanted to understand how and why literally titles, quotes, and storylines, were used in ST. My 50k plus personal library owes its existence to Star Trek. Of course that library includes all the Trek novels up to the current releases. My Dad used to tell me how illiterate I was because as a kid I read Star Trek novels, little did the poor ignorant man know. I was reading Star Trek novels at the age of 8 and classical literature by 11 thanks to Star Trek.
22:45 Good catch on the gross incompetence of Dr. McCoy for failing to even check for the presence of the creatures that Chekov alluded to. I had never thought of that before even though it seems like an obvious plot hole.
I remember in one Star Trek novel that I read it mentioned that it had become a tradition to tour the ship by shuttlecraft before taking command; and that it had nearly been forgotten that the initial reason why this was done was because the Enterprise's transporters had been malfunctioning when Admiral Kirk was taking command. I can't help but wonder if this second tour of the Enterprise is when this would become a Starfleet tradition. (I know that the books are non-canonical, but I like this.)
@@WillTalksMovies Funny story: when Walter Koenig read the script, he KNEW he wasn't on the show at the time of the episode, but he wanted the part and made up the story in his head that he met Khan off screen. Khan supposedly (again in Koenig's rationalization) was kept waiting to use the head (bathroom)...
You've sen Chekov as the weapons officer in TMP. He was in TOS but not in the first season which included Space Seed. It's sort of a goof and Walter Keonig (Chekov) wasn't about to point it out and lose screen time (they could have given his lines to Sulu). The suppositon is that Chekov was on the ship but not part of the bridge crew during Space Seed but he had an encounter with Kahn resulting in Khan saying. "I shall not forget your face Mr. Chekov."
Well Sulu wasn’t in Space Seed either. So that perhaps would have been worse, we wouldn’t be able to use the ‘he was working in another part of the ship excuse’. They could have used Uhura but I’m not sure I’d want to see her go through all that.
Khan is quoting a lot from the book Moby Dick. It's a long book. It's better to watch the movie starring Gregory Peck. Another good Peck movie is The Guns of Navarone. It's about an allied team assigned to destroy two large German canons that are harassing shipping lanes.
Great reaction, especially since you are essentially new to the Star Trek universe. Having grown up with the original series, I walked in to this movie as an adult with all the backstory, so I had an advantage for appreciation of it. But you definitely get it, and will be rewarded by continuing with the movies and if you are lucky enough you can watch the series. 79 episodes gave them lots of opportunities to develop the characters and their universe and to explore a multitude of human themes that are still relevant.
Plus the 30 or so episodes of the animated series, which used many of the original writers. It was unusually deep for a Saturday morning cartoon, and it's considered canon.
True. Basically same age as I am now but I can relate about feeling old and tired. Irony is Shatner is 93 now and still working and he still has more energy than I've ever had. 😂
(2) should have let you know:2,3,4 was supposed to have been one big movie. The genesis trilogy. Kirk was supposed to take spock's body back to vulcan....if there's something you want to know about this movie or the others let me know
@@WillTalksMovies my theory a hunch ( plus what he says in the dialogue),' if Genesis is indeed life from death I must return to this place again ' what I was getting at is a federation member' s ( like Vulcan)-- their body is supposed to be returned. Kirk broke regulations/ rules
This was a “soft reboot”. As in that the backstory is still the same, Kirk is still an Admiral, but there was a redesign of the look and tone with better uniforms to reveal a more Navy-type feel, with James Horner’s score, giving it a “high seas adventure” feel to it. It was also a return to a more character oriented storytelling. An action adventure. A real rollercoaster with a tragic, yet hopeful ending.
1. IMVHO this is the BEST of the entire series. Including the new ones. 2. You can hear Chekov's feet hit the wooden deck when he steps off the box when Khan "lowers" him during his capture scene. 3. Kirstie Alley😇 before she gained 150 lbs. 4. I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAN" 5. That's Recardo's real chest😱 6. There's speculation that Khan wouldn't recognize Chekov, but he wasn't seen in "Space Seed". 7. Kirk and Khan never meet face to face. 8. Leonard Nimoy was tired of playing Spock and even though under contract to carry on he agreed only if he could direct the next movie in the series.
What I really like about this movie is that it shows the Federation’s true colors for the first time. The Genesis Torpedo (just a coincidence that it can be delivered at a distance) is clearly intended to be a weapon of mass destruction. When some “rogue actor” uses it on an enemy of the Federation, the people of the Federation will be duly horrified and definitely do some inquests and investigations, and undoubtedly someone will be found guilty of violations of Starfleet Regulations.
The guy you said looked like Cillian Murphy is Judson Scott, he played lieutenant James in V The Series. Apparently there was some mess up so he ended up not being credited in this film
Even though I've probably seen this film 30 times, I still get tears in my eyes at the end!
In a way I’m glad there was consequences
Same. It's like losing an old dear friend every single time.
I've got them streaming down my cheeks right now.
Agreed
This movie, the fate with Artax in "The Neverending Story" and the demise of Optimus Prime in "Transformers: The Movie" .... The 80s was brutal....
The "Genesis Device" video is the first FULLY CGI Rendered sequence in movie history!
Oh wow! Amazing fact
Also an amazing fact that little part of ILM was the start of a little company you might have heard about called Pixar. 🖖
@@WillTalksMovies If you've never seen it, the first movie with any CGI is Westworld
"Looker" was released about six months prior and it has a lot of CGI, including a scene where a person is 3-D scanned and you can see the animation as the details fill out. Tron was released a month after Khan, but it's hard to know how much of it was produced before the Genesis clip.
BTW, "Looker" is worth a watch. It's a science fiction murder mystery. Its rendition of technology doesn't hold up well, but the story has become more relevant with the rise of AI. It was written and directed by Michael Crichton, same as Westworld.
@@paulsander5433 In "Looker" you can see CGI elements in scenes, but not a FULLY CGI RENDERED SCENE.
Fun fact: the scene at Spock's funeral when Kirk's voice breaks wasn't just acting. Shatner and the rest of the cast were all really emotional in this part because they thought they really were saying goodbye to Spock's character, and his voice really broke just before he said, "...human."
Love that!
I attended the champagne gala world premiere of "The Wrath of Khan." I was interviewed by a local news reporter at the end of the movie. With tears running down my face all I could say was "It can't be over, this can't be the end..."
That’s Amazing!
Saw this opening day in June of 82.
Was totally shocked by Spock's death.
Got to see it in the theater last year, and it sill choked me up.
Every time I watch someone react to this film I cry. And here I go again. Welcome to the family.
LLAP 🖖
I still say "Revenge is a dish best served cold in space!" when I get mad at worlk
This was the first time anybody else (Spock) said the opening Mission Statement beside Kirk in the of the shows.
It was really cool to hear
Saavik is supposed to be Spock's protege. Half Vulcan, half Romulan. In the Starfleet Academy she was in the softball team and was called Photon Torpedo because of her throwing arm.
Saavik, the softball prodigy protege
That name is a joke for the fact no one is willing to say out-loud "She throws like a girl".
Where did you get that?
@@GregPrice-ep2dk in the book.
The new uniforms transfer the division colours to the undershirt, a single band on the sleeves and the shoulder tie (which also holds the rank insignia). White is command, pale green is medical, teal is science, yellow is engineering, red is tactical and also doubles for cadets.
Khan is playing chess. But Kirk is a master of 3-dimentional chess (the 23rd century version). He's even beated Spock on more than one occasion.
I recall being at the first showing on the first day in my town. The theater that was showing it was ancient, and I remember looking up into the projection booth before the show started. The projector looked like an absolute relic. I remember thinking there's no way that thing is going to survive this whole movie. Sure enough when the film started there was no sound. They were fighting to fix it but left the movie running. The first sound came up during the scene where Khan was jamming the transmition from the genisis station. The first line we heard was Carol Marcus saying "I can see you but I can't hear you"... suddenly a voice called out from the back of the theater. "YEAH, THERE'S ALOT OF THAT GOING AROUND TODAY!!!"
😂😂
Kirk's reprogramming of thr Kobyashi Maru scenario, is explained in the TOS novel,"Kobyashi Maru". He gave himself a reputation as a highly skilled warrior, worthy of respect. This greatly impressed the Klingon in charge.
Kirk tells the Klingon his name. The Kkingon responds, "THE Captain Kirk?!?", which causes Kirk's crew to start laughing. And the virtual Klingons negotiate a peaceful rescue of the Maru's crew and passengers.😅
The first time I saw it, when I got up to leave, I had to sit back down because my legs wouldn't hold me. Welcome to the fandom !🖖🖖
As Empire Strikes back is the best of Star Wars, Wrath Of Khan is the best of Star Trek. Truly great motion picture that I was lucky enough to see when it came out. I was just a boy and it was awesome. Motion Picture and Khan were shown last year in my local cinema once more and I went to each three times to relive those epic scenes up on the big screen. This is a film you really must see in the cinema.
Madeline Rhue who played Lt. McGivers, developed multiple sclerosis. By the time of TWOK, she was wheelchair bound. 😢
"Is he struggling to come to terms that he's getting older?" -- Yes. That was one of the underlying themes of "Wrath of Khan", and a conscious decision by the scriptwriter and director; instead of trying to hide the characters' ages with makeup, lighting tricks, and soft-focus lenses, Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer decided to lean into it and acknowledge the passage of time between the original series and the movies.
"Will he go to Genesis and be reborn?" -- Well, obviously, we know that *now.* :-) But when this film came out, it was by no means certain that Nimoy would return for any more movies, or that there would even *be* any more. In fact, it wasn't even originally intended to leave an opening for Spock's return at all; the quick cutaway where Spock mind-melds with McCoy and says "remember", and the scene of Spock's torpedo/casket lying intact on the ground of the Genesis Planet, were last-minute additions.
Chekov wasn’t introduced into the Original Series until after ‘Space Seed’, but Walter Koenig made his own head canon that Chekov was on the Enterprise at the time, but he was a low-ranking member at the time. He also joked that the reason Khan remembers Chekov so well is because Chekov made him wait a long time to use the toilet. That’s an image; the great Khan, crossing his legs in frustration, only for Chekov to finally come out, and to tell him the toilet’s now clogged and he has to find another one three decks down. It’s just makes their exchange at the beginning seem even more threatening.
The scene where the Reliant and Enterprise meet for the first time is a masterclass in tension & movie scoring. Both ships have there themes dueling together. The shots get closer in and the music builds as they cut back and forth. I really don't think they could improve on this cut.
I was only 3 years old when this film was first released, but I did get to see it in theaters for its 40th anniversary, just a couple of years ago, with my mom. This is not just one of the best sci-fi movies ever made, but one of the finest films in its own right, in my humble estimation. James Horner’s score for this film is my absolute favorite of all time. 🖖😀
Yes completely fantastic
After the first several episodes of Star Trek aired, a review was written about it in the Soviet state newspaper Pravda.
This article complained that Star Trek was being Western-biased, by not including any Russians in the cast. Despite Russia being one of the most successful in space exploration at the time.
Most rarely gave any heed to anything that propaganda rag said . But Gene Roddenberry did.
Pavel Chekov was assigned to the Enterprise bridge. And he became a beloved cast member.
That’s crazy!
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"I've Noticed That They're Wearing Red Outfits, Not, Blue, Red Or Gold"
The reasons for the changes to the uniforms in Star Trek II from what they were in "The Motion Picture" was because the way the uniforms were designed made it impossible for the cast to go to the bathroom without being accompanied by members of the costume department to assist them in getting into or out of the Starfleet uniform costumes, which George Takei (Sulu) had said that unless they'd changed the design of the costumes to where the cast members could "Answer Mother Nature's Call" without having to be assisted by the costume department, they'd have refused to film any future Star Trek movies
(TBH, I can't say that I blame them for taking that stand)
Also, it you've noticed the under shirt and accents on the tunic are different colors
I am so glad that someone has finally watched the Director's Edition. It added a lot to the narrative, especially regarding Scotty's nephew, Peter Preston, played by Ike Eisenmann. In the standard version there is no mention of their family connection. I hope that you are going to watch the other films.
Yes search for spock next Friday
My introduction to the film was the ABC version which has all those restored scenes along with different take of other scenes. I had seen the third film in theaters as a child but hardly remembered any of it so I was technically going into this one blind. My brother and I ended up watching it over 50 times. We were thrilled to finally be able to see it in theaters two years ago. As a thematic and character-driven film it is absolutely brilliant and that is why it still hits home 40+ years later.
Thanks for this. I always wondered why Scotty seemed especially torn up by Preston's death. Now it makes sense given the family connection.
So glad you chose the Director's Cut, definitely the better version of the film, even if only for the added scene giving Peter Preston some context as Scotty's nephew.
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Kirk didn't just poke the bear here. He straight up kicked it in.the family jewels
The character of McGivers was included in early scripts. The actress who played was still available as her muscular dystrophy had not progressed to the point ehere she was wheelchair bound yet (that happened in the mid 80s and she continued acting in roles that accomadated her wheelchair). But when director Nicholas Meyer rewrote the script, he had the character having died in order to provide more motivation for Khan's vengeance.
Khan's second in command, Joachim, was originally supposed to be Khan's son. An interesting comparison with Kirk's son, David. But that relationship was removed. The actor who played Joachim, Judson Scott, had his name removed from the credits because his agent tried to get him higher billing and the negotiations failed. So he ended up with no billing.
I hope he fired his agent because it's the most notable role he ever had.
I believe the Genesis device condensed the nebula to form a the Genesis star. Nebulas are regions of elements like hydrogen and other matter that clump together and eventually become dense enough to attract other matter and become a star and leftover material that forms the planets around it.
Joachim was in Space Seed, played by a different actor. Khan spoke to him specifically, naming him, when they were all lined up after reawakening. He was the one who beat up Uhura in the briefing room.
@@paulsander5433 I just assumed he was named after him. Scott would have been 15 when Space Seed aired.
@1:38 "We're going into battle?! We haven't seen a spaceship batle at all so far"
Haha, brace yourself for spaceship battles then as it's the one with spaceship battles that set the bar for spaceship battles 😄
The deceased trainee was Scotty's nephew.
Great reaction! Please continue on the Star Trek journey!🖖
Thank you! Means a lot 🖖
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The new colors for the different divisions are now:
White=Command
Olive=Medical
Gold=Engineering and Support Services
Grey=Sciences
Red=Cadet
Spock had such a difficult time while filming “The Motion Picture” that he only agreed to return after being promised a great death scene in this movie. After it was leaked that Spock would die in this movie, the Kobayashi Maru scenario was added to trick fans into thinking that THAT was the “Spock’s death” that they had heard about.
You mean "Nimoy", of course.
"He tasks me...snd I shall have him"...from "Moby Dick"; as was his death speech
I would strongly, strongly recommend watching the episode "Amok Time" before you attempt Star Trek III. The movie assumes that you know certain things from that episode.
You should also check out "Journey to Babel" before watching Star Trek IV. Again, the film plays off certain character dynamics from that episode.
Watching this in the cinema in summer 1982 eleven year old me was absolutely wrecked by Spock's death. It's a brilliant film. Essentially Moby Dick as a submarine war thriller but in space and with added meditations on life and death and ageing. Live long and prosper. 🖖
I also saw it in the theater, but I was six. My brother & sister took me to it. As a younger kid, I still didn't have that "Don't talk in theaters" rule ingrained in me yet. My sister still brings up how a lot of the audience found it hilarious, like when McCoy says "If she couldn't obey she's finished" to which I replied "I'll bet they're not!"
As for the allegory of this movie, from adulthood on, I've thought of this as Das Boot in space, but now I think I'll revise it to be Das Boot meets Moby Dick in space. It's still my favorite Trek movie, followed by 1 & 6 tied for 2nd, and First Contact at third.
If you watch the JJ Abrams version, you learn that Kahn was the most formidable and dangerous foe that the Enterprise ever faced. The truth is that Kirk couldn't have won without Spock, it took both of them, and a costly sacrifice, to succeed.
I completely enjoyed your reaction. I remember being a kid, growing up watching reruns of TOS as well as Saturday morning reruns of the animated Star Trek. And then, just as i heard Star Trek 3 was about to premiere at the movies, my parents rented Star Trek The Motion Picture and this movie. As I mentioned in a previous comment, this movie helped shape my love of Star Trek. In order to answer more of your questions, I would probably get into that dreaded Neutral Zone of Spoilers, so I would say that to find more answers, you just gotta watch Star Trek 3!
Love hearing your trek experience
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The only people who were in this particular scene timestamped above who are still alive are William Shatner (Kirk) and Walter Koenig (Chekov)
Walter Koenig was not yet part of the crew when space seed played, however he became such a big character and such a big part of Star Trek. They automatically just put him into the part as if he was there but not yet a bridge member so Khan would have encountered him.. this is a very excellent First look at a movie. I've watched many people do this and the way you did it is so much better. Most people are so annoying. You made it more interesting... My friends call me a walking Star Trek encyclopedia lol
Besides he had to keep up the tradition that his role in the movies is to scream. Chekov was injured on the bridge in TMP, now has to scream because of the parasite in his ear, I don't remember a scream in III but he definitely screams again IV.
Fun fact: the Genesis video with Dr Marcus is the very first use of CGI in any film.
Although their tunics are all red, their turtlenecks are different colors as per their function,
Greatest ST movie EVER
It’s cool that you’re watching a Directors cut
It was widely known at the time Leonard Nimoy (Spock) didn't' want to do more Trek, in fact the 'hints' at the end were shot in case they could get him back. At this stage there was a very strong possibility this was the end for Spock, so the death hit even harder at the time. lol "we haven't really seen any space battles yet". btw no, it is not often we see 2 or more starfleet ships together. Right through the movies and multiple series it's always a special moment when it does happen. There is something about the way they shoot them and the designs that emphasizes their sheer bulk and give a bit of the old ocean liner feel. Others have rightly mentioned Das Boot.. be sure to add that to your 'must watch' list
Put Dickens' 'A Tale of Two Cities', Melville's 'Moby Dick', and some Shakespeare in a blender for themes. Add some WWII submarine movie for action, as in TOS' 'Balance of Terror'. Chapel's not in this one, but the Australian guy from TOS has a small part as _Reliant's_ comm officer.
They still used color in the uniforms to distinguish station on the ship. Kirk and Spock had white collars, Saavik's was red, Sulu's was blue, McCoy's was green.
There had been rumors of Spock's death for months before the release of the film. On opening day, people drove their cars around the cinema parking lot calling out "the vulcan buys it." But most of us thought the training scene is what the spoilers meant, and we thought "these guys are jerks, but no harm done." We still weren't prepared for Spock's Kobayashi Maru maneuver.
There was a small souvenir poster given away to the audiences of the early screenings on opening day, which was kind of cool.
Seeing this film for the first time on the big screen was spectacular. Seeing the Enterprise fired upon for the first time was terrifying.
Kirsty Alley got the "and introducing" credit in this movie. She gained more widespread fame by way of later television series, and several personal roller coasters. For a time, it seemed like she was every breathing hetero male's fantasy.
You caught a glimpse of Spock's telepathic ability near the end with McCoy. It's developed over several episodes of the original series and is an important capability throughout the franchise, as is the neck pinch that Spock used on McCoy.
The turtleneck shirt worn under the “Monster Maroon” uniform tunics, as well as the tunic strap and pant stripe, indicate which department division they are. The exception to the pant stripe is for command, which is red. White is command, light green is medical, Windsor Green is security, Flame Red is cadets and trainees, grey is science, black is enlisted, Orchid Yellow is operations. An Admiral will have gold stripes in certain areas of the uniform, mainly one that follows the black stripe on the front of the tunic and a single stripe in the center of the red pant leg stripe.
you are lucky that the whole series of movies with the original cast member movies are completed. when Stark Trek 2 first came out we had to wait years for Star Trek 3.
Walter Koenig wa😮s not yet part of the cast of TOS, by the time "Space Seed" was produced. The recognition of Chekov is a continuity error of sorts, usually rationalized as an off screen meeting.
Background Information: In the beginning there was Star Trek:TOS eventually followed by Star Trek:TAS and then there was the proposed Star Trek: Phase II which eventually became Star Trek:TMP. Phase II was a revival of the TV show - Nimoy was not interested in playing Spock again for a TV show - so they hired another actor* to play a Vulcan (Xon) who unlike Spock would be fasciniated with human emotions and wish he had them. When Phase II evolved into the movie they asked Nimoy again to reprise Spock for the movie and he agreed (without the hassle of a week to week show he couldn't pass up the money). Before Phase II Nimoy had written a book titled "I am Not Spock" - about acting, playing Spock, typecasting and c'mon I've done other things - so people weren't totally shocked that Spock died in this one. More info once you watch Star Trek 3 (I'll give you a hint - look at the director credit)..
TOS - The Original Series (3 seasons)
TAS: - The Animated Series (2 seasons - the original actors providing the voices)
TMP - The Motion Picture
TWOK - the movie you just watched
TSFS - the next movie
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* he did appear in TMP as the commander of the Federation base that gets destroyed.
Dude you are clairvoyant! You picked up on a lot of details I'm sure a lot of us wouldn't have even noticed until repeat viewings. 10 minutes into the movie: "I wonder if Kirk will go through his own Kobayashi Maru test at the end of the film?" ------ !!!!!
I like how you watched the special edition too -- the regular one still had Scotty's nephew die but they cut out the fact that he was related to Scotty. It wasn't til I saw the movie for the 999th time that I realized he was crawling back into the closing door to save the trapped crewmen when they were getting blasted.
Ohh no way I never noticed that
32:55. I had a friend that worked this film and she told me a little story about how they pissed off the costume designer so he made the white strip going over the right shoulder look like a penis. They edited it out as much as they could but this scene really shows it well.
Spock is only a short time dead, if this relieves your mind. Watch part 3, The search for Spock and it will all come into place why Spock did a short mind meld with McCoy before he fixed the ship
Now that's what I call an earworm!
When Kirk confronts Kahn the first time on the view screen all I can think about is how much it resembles a professional wrestling promo.
😂😂
Still think you needed to jump on via the original show for A LOT of context of who these characters are, but kudos for watching the extended edition which has some longer scenes and other material.
This one just cooks from start to finish. The drama, action, humor and that finale? It hits all the feels.
Give TOS a go then start on the TNG series.
The point of _"We_ will!" was that Spock only mentioned Jim, ignoring Bones.
Space Seed of the mind. Great insight. Wonderful review.
Thank you very kind
@@WillTalksMovies Great review, so glad you at least saw "Space Seed" before watching this movie. Hope that you'll consider reacting/watching the entire Classic Trek series in the future to really add to your appreciation of the original Enterprise crew 🤨🖖
Why didn't Terrell and Chekov just get themselves beamed up, from inside the cargo carrier, instead of going outside, to be captured by Khan and his team?
The name is Sulu, with an S not a Z… 😂😂😂😂
I have always loved Star Trek. Its constant references to literature expanded my reading interests because I wanted to understand how and why literally titles, quotes, and storylines, were used in ST. My 50k plus personal library owes its existence to Star Trek. Of course that library includes all the Trek novels up to the current releases. My Dad used to tell me how illiterate I was because as a kid I read Star Trek novels, little did the poor ignorant man know. I was reading Star Trek novels at the age of 8 and classical literature by 11 thanks to Star Trek.
Brilliant reaction mate.
Truly appreciate the support 🖖
22:45 Good catch on the gross incompetence of Dr. McCoy for failing to even check for the presence of the creatures that Chekov alluded to. I had never thought of that before even though it seems like an obvious plot hole.
Just thought it was odd not to check up on them
A nice touch to this movie is that Khan died knowing he’d won and that Kirk would be destroyed no matter what.
I remember in one Star Trek novel that I read it mentioned that it had become a tradition to tour the ship by shuttlecraft before taking command; and that it had nearly been forgotten that the initial reason why this was done was because the Enterprise's transporters had been malfunctioning when Admiral Kirk was taking command.
I can't help but wonder if this second tour of the Enterprise is when this would become a Starfleet tradition.
(I know that the books are non-canonical, but I like this.)
Unless chekov was somewhere on another deck no i certainly didn't see him. Btw there are 3 novels by greg cox about Khan.
No matter how many times I see the fate of Spock, it brings me to tears...even during a reaction video.
Wonderful. So fulfilling to watch a young, intuitive mind falling in love with this masterpiece. The best is yet to come 😉🖖🏻.
Looking forward to it! Thank you
imagine this as he las movie. here was no certainty hat here would be more back then.
"Did they kill Sulu, Bones, Uhura...?' What do you think you're watchung? The Star Wars sequels?
😂😂 you never know? They did kill Spock
The Ceti Eels were designed based on a real creature called and antlion. A little nightmare fuel for you.
And this is just the first third of the story. Now on to parts 2 and 3 (the next two films).
Aye,I agree with that--- however I would have said ( waving my hand like a Jedi - lol) you will watch 3&4
Chekhov wasn't in the episode or season, which created a plot hole. The novelization of The Wrath of Khan fixes it.
Ok thank you I was so confused
You're very welcome@@WillTalksMovies
@@WillTalksMovies Funny story: when Walter Koenig read the script, he KNEW he wasn't on the show at the time of the episode, but he wanted the part and made up the story in his head that he met Khan off screen. Khan supposedly (again in Koenig's rationalization) was kept waiting to use the head (bathroom)...
You've sen Chekov as the weapons officer in TMP. He was in TOS but not in the first season which included Space Seed. It's sort of a goof and Walter Keonig (Chekov) wasn't about to point it out and lose screen time (they could have given his lines to Sulu). The suppositon is that Chekov was on the ship but not part of the bridge crew during Space Seed but he had an encounter with Kahn resulting in Khan saying. "I shall not forget your face Mr. Chekov."
I think Walter Koenig once joked that it was because he was holding up the bathroom and Khan needed to tinkle.
Well Sulu wasn’t in Space Seed either. So that perhaps would have been worse, we wouldn’t be able to use the ‘he was working in another part of the ship excuse’.
They could have used Uhura but I’m not sure I’d want to see her go through all that.
Khan is quoting a lot from the book Moby Dick. It's a long book. It's better to watch the movie starring Gregory Peck. Another good Peck movie is The Guns of Navarone. It's about an allied team assigned to destroy two large German canons that are harassing shipping lanes.
Great reaction, especially since you are essentially new to the Star Trek universe. Having grown up with the original series, I walked in to this movie as an adult with all the backstory, so I had an advantage for appreciation of it. But you definitely get it, and will be rewarded by continuing with the movies and if you are lucky enough you can watch the series. 79 episodes gave them lots of opportunities to develop the characters and their universe and to explore a multitude of human themes that are still relevant.
Plus the 30 or so episodes of the animated series, which used many of the original writers. It was unusually deep for a Saturday morning cartoon, and it's considered canon.
Thing I might check the series out after the movies
@@WillTalksMovies Backwards from the traditional experience, but you’ll still get all the content.
Spock died...but he gets better. See the next movie..."Star Trek III: The Search for Spock"
You didn’t say in the vid, will you be watching more of the Trek movies?
Funny Kirk isn't really THAT old. Early 50's?
True. Basically same age as I am now but I can relate about feeling old and tired. Irony is Shatner is 93 now and still working and he still has more energy than I've ever had. 😂
According to ST encyclopedia he was born in 2233. If accurate, that would put him at 52(2285).
(2) should have let you know:2,3,4 was supposed to have been one big movie. The genesis trilogy. Kirk was supposed to take spock's body back to vulcan....if there's something you want to know about this movie or the others let me know
How come Kirk didn’t take his body back?
@@WillTalksMovies my theory a hunch ( plus what he says in the dialogue),' if Genesis is indeed life from death I must return to this place again ' what I was getting at is a federation member' s ( like Vulcan)-- their body is supposed to be returned. Kirk broke regulations/ rules
@@WillTalksMovies watch the next 2 movies as quickly as possible.
his name is Sulu...not Zulu
This was a “soft reboot”. As in that the backstory is still the same, Kirk is still an Admiral, but there was a redesign of the look and tone with better uniforms to reveal a more Navy-type feel, with James Horner’s score, giving it a “high seas adventure” feel to it. It was also a return to a more character oriented storytelling. An action adventure. A real rollercoaster with a tragic, yet hopeful ending.
Not really a soft reboot, just a change of aesthetics. They had changed uniform designs previously in STTMP.
1. IMVHO this is the BEST of the entire series. Including the new ones.
2. You can hear Chekov's feet hit the wooden deck when he steps off the box
when Khan "lowers" him during his capture scene.
3. Kirstie Alley😇 before she gained 150 lbs.
4. I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk screaming "KHAAAAAN"
5. That's Recardo's real chest😱
6. There's speculation that Khan wouldn't recognize Chekov, but he wasn't seen in "Space Seed".
7. Kirk and Khan never meet face to face.
8. Leonard Nimoy was tired of playing Spock and even though under contract to carry on he agreed only if he could direct the next movie in the series.
#KirkKnew
What I really like about this movie is that it shows the Federation’s true colors for the first time. The Genesis Torpedo (just a coincidence that it can be delivered at a distance) is clearly intended to be a weapon of mass destruction. When some “rogue actor” uses it on an enemy of the Federation, the people of the Federation will be duly horrified and definitely do some inquests and investigations, and undoubtedly someone will be found guilty of violations of Starfleet Regulations.
It's "Sulu," not "Zulu"!
I correct in later movies 😂
Did you call him Zulu?
SULU, not Zulu lol
Fake reaction. But a great movie.
If you think that’s fake 🤣😭
The guy you said looked like Cillian Murphy is Judson Scott, he played lieutenant James in V The Series. Apparently there was some mess up so he ended up not being credited in this film